jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..

[kostakio]

You guys are all frickin nuts for annointing Sams as the next big thing before he's ever even seen the D1 field.   

exactly.  I think it's far more likely he's the next quincy morgan than michael bishop.  but this fanbase is so locked into getting another bishop it almost doesn't make sense to try and reason.  We had a higher scoring offense than Mizzou last year with Carson freaking Coffman.  We don't need Bishop but we do need players around our QB.  We don't need an electrifying playmaker at QB to have a solid football team.  Collin Klein is more than enough to have a quality football team.  What we need is an OL that develops, Bryce to be a player, and a defense.

I think it's just as crazy to annoint the guy the next Quincy Morgan as it is to annoint the guy the next Micheal Bishop  He's a good looking athlete we'll see how it goes from there. He was recruited to play QB and he's the only young QB on the roster right now so I assume at some point he'll get a look there. We Probably won't need him there until 2013 though so in the meantime I see no reason not to see if he can help at WR.  

I don't think it is a given that he'll step right in and be one of our top WR's though.  WE have morer competition there then you give us credit for.   I know you like Bender but he's just a committ and who knows what happens if Nebraska offers him to play QB.   Too early to talk about SAms being a career WR because of a guy that hasn't played his senior year of high school yet.  

[SkinnyBenny]

You guys are all frickin nuts for annointing Sams as the next big thing before he's ever even seen the D1 field.   

exactly.  I think it's far more likely he's the next quincy morgan than michael bishop.  but this fanbase is so locked into getting another bishop it almost doesn't make sense to try and reason.  We had a higher scoring offense than Mizzou last year with Carson freaking Coffman.  We don't need Bishop but we do need players around our QB.  

Would love to have Bishop too, though.   

[The Manhatter]

Seems like Snyds has been more open to playing freshmen this go around.  If Lockett is a similar talent to Tremaine was his freshmen season, he'll be playing.  The only thing that would get him 'shirted would be the fact that we already have a burner with great open field moves.  So, unless Lockett is better than current Tremaine, he may benefit from redshirting.  And not every redshirt is wasted on the scout team.  Alot of the guys who redshirt still practice with the 2's because they may need to burn the shirt at some point, whether due to injury, ineffectiveness, or their own production on the practice field.

Tremaine isn't a burner either.  He's more quick than fast.  Again, that isn't a bad thing.  I love Tremaine for the underneath stuff cause he can do some things.  The difference between Lockett and Tremaine, other than downfield speed, is that Lockett is just a bigger kid.  Even with B. Banks blistering downfield speed it was difficult to drop a vertical route pass on top of his head because of his lack of size.  A much bigger corner running a stride behind makes that throw difficult even if he's beat.  You have to clearly beat people to get it done down the field.  Lockett is more than big enough at 5'9.5 or 5'10.  He'll be as tall as most of the corners covering.


But I'm not sold that cornerback isn't Lockett's best position.  Don't get me wrong...I think he's a really smart and savvy wide receiver (FB IQ kid).  But he was flat out outstanding as a corner in high school.  He's almost a little Jerametrious-licious Butler in him when I watch his cornerback highlights.  Especially from the highlights of his junior year on youtube where the camera angle isn't as tight and you can see more space where he closes on the ball.  

[jtksu]

Yeah, Bish was pretty much the coolest thing ever.  Coming in and dominating from Day 1 was so badass.

[Trim]

A lot of people overlooking Sams' 99 in EMAW.

[The Manhatter]

You guys are all frickin nuts for annointing Sams as the next big thing before he's ever even seen the D1 field.   

exactly.  I think it's far more likely he's the next quincy morgan than michael bishop.  but this fanbase is so locked into getting another bishop it almost doesn't make sense to try and reason.  We had a higher scoring offense than Mizzou last year with Carson freaking Coffman.  We don't need Bishop but we do need players around our QB.  We don't need an electrifying playmaker at QB to have a solid football team.  Collin Klein is more than enough to have a quality football team.  What we need is an OL that develops, Bryce to be a player, and a defense.

I think it's just as crazy to annoint the guy the next Quincy Morgan as it is to annoint the guy the next Micheal Bishop  He's a good looking athlete we'll see how it goes from there.   

oh really?  do you think it's easier to project or guess on future receivers or qbs sucess at the next level for either hs to college or college to pro?  If you say qb then this discussion is done.  And there is a reason programs like Miami and OU were coming after him as a non-QB skill player.  I think we may have been the only one 'cruitin for QB.  I wonder why that is because there are plenty of programs out there using the duelio-threat.

[Rage Against the McKee]

You guys are all frickin nuts for annointing Sams as the next big thing before he's ever even seen the D1 field.   

exactly.  I think it's far more likely he's the next quincy morgan than michael bishop.  but this fanbase is so locked into getting another bishop it almost doesn't make sense to try and reason.  We had a higher scoring offense than Mizzou last year with Carson freaking Coffman.  We don't need Bishop but we do need players around our QB.  We don't need an electrifying playmaker at QB to have a solid football team.  Collin Klein is more than enough to have a quality football team.  What we need is an OL that develops, Bryce to be a player, and a defense.

I think it's just as crazy to annoint the guy the next Quincy Morgan as it is to annoint the guy the next Micheal Bishop  He's a good looking athlete we'll see how it goes from there.   

oh really?  do you think it's easier to project or guess on future receivers or qbs sucess at the next level for either hs to college or college to pro?  If you say qb then this discussion is done.  And there is a reason programs like Miami and OU were coming after him as a non-QB skill player.  I think we may have been the only one 'cruitin for QB.  I wonder why that is because there are plenty of programs out there using the duelio-threat.

It's probably because those other programs don't have problems recruiting good qb's and don't need to take a risk on a kid who could step in and play wide receiver for them. LHC Bill Snyder, on the other hand, has not recruited a good quarterback since the turn of the millenium, and it makes a lot of sense to give one of the best athletes he's ever recruited a shot at playing the position he played in high school.

[pissclams]

I'd put Sams in the slot and let his speed open up the middle.  He's a burner, for sure.  Let Lockett ³ learn the slot as 2nd string Team Speedster but don't redshirt him unless, like Manhatter says, he asks to be redshirted.  Otherwise he needs to be running routes as this team's anointed Team Speedster in training.  L³ will be All-Deep team Freshman year, and 2nd string Team Speedster.  Give Sams the reigns and let him burn/all-deep as well, no reason not to.  Rumblings that L³ is getting votes for All-Hands as well.


Also love how all the people bitching about  Tate Snyder not walking on and burning a 'ship don't have anything to say about  L³ burning a 'ship and not walking on.   Believe me, Kevin has more money than a Brink's truck.

I hate to break it to people but Sams isn't a burner.  He's more of a 4.55 type guy.  But what he does have is athleticism...he's got some burst and change of direction...and he's got excellent body control and ball skills.  But he's not a guy who is going to stretch the field on a fly pattern.  That doesn't mean he can't be an excellent receiver...he's actually got the traits I'd rather him have than straightline speed although that would be even more of a bonus.  Amongst the receivers Lockett will clearly be our fastest kid down the field.  Harper runs a lot better than some people here realize, though.

I just think that  L³ is going to need some time to learn the slot and can learn a lot from Sams.  OK, great that Sams isn't a true burner but maybe he can teach the true burner, Team Speedster  L³ and then we hand the keys to the rocket over to him once he's learned everything from Sams.  Sams will be on my All-Hands team and on my All-Route Runner team (First team). 

[chum1]

update:

bryce:  combo speedater 1a
sams:  combo speedster 1b
(or vice versa it doesn't matter both are good qb/rb/wr combo speedsters)
reshirt team speedster: lockett III

[kostakio]

This is in response to Manhatter My quote function is jumping around and driving me nuts so I didn't use it.   Sure it's easier to project a WR but it's not all that easy to project an all american at any position.   Especially since this kid has never even been a full time WR.  He's never really been a full time anything and I think OU liked him as a safety if I'm  not mistaken.    

He will get a shot at QB at some point in time and he will play there if he's the most capable QB we have on the roster.  We're simply not going to have our best QB playing WR it won't happen not with this team or any team.  But My main point was it is kind of silly to annoint any unproven newcomer some kind of world beater regardless of position.  He's a good athlete he had nice offers but not all those kids pan out.  There are a few can't miss kids like Dez Bryant or something but this kid is not one of those.   Let's get him in here and see what he can do before we earmark him anything.  

[The Manhatter]

This is in response to Manhatter My quote function is jumping around and driving me nuts so I didn't use it.   Sure it's easier to project a WR but it's not all that easy to project an all american at any position.   Especially since this kid has never even been a full time WR.  He's never really been a full time anything and I think OU liked him as a safety if I'm  not mistaken.    

He will get a shot at QB at some point in time and he will play there if he's the most capable QB we have on the roster.  We're simply not going to have our best QB playing WR it won't happen not with this team or any team.  But My main point was it is kind of silly to annoint any unproven newcomer some kind of world beater regardless of position.  He's a good athlete he had nice offers but not all those kids pan out.  There are a few can't miss kids like Dez Bryant or something but this kid is not one of those.   Let's get him in here and see what he can do before we earmark him anything.  

I don't believe anybody stated he would be an all-american.  I believe I said something to the effect it's more likely he'll be the next quincy morgan THAN the next Michael Bishop.  I didn't realize I said he would be the next Quincy Morgan.  If I did then I'm mistaken.

[pissclams]

update:

bryce:  combo speedater 1a
sams:  combo speedster 1b
(or vice versa it doesn't matter both are good qb/rb/wr combo speedsters)
reshirt team speedster: lockett III

this doesn't even begin to make any sense.

Sams is All-Hands team and All-Route Runner team 1A and Second Team All-Deep team.
L³ is Team Speedster Unanimous First Team Selection and All-Deep team *Captain (Freshman team), Honorable Mention All-Hands team and All Big 12 Burner.

Bryce- hmm  LOL I'm not even sure he exists on any team- yet.  Who's to say that he can't make it though, not me.  I would be shocked to see where Bryce lands on the teams once he has a chance to get up to speed with the B12.  

Would be shocked to see L³ not pan out to the next Q_Morgan.com

[Emo EMAW]

Have we figured who's returning kicks yet?

[jtksu]

Didn't Tremaine return kicks last year?  I know I don't want Tyyysyyyn returning any punts though.

[DQ12]

Didn't Tremaine return kicks last year?  I know I don't want Tyyysyyyn returning any punts though.

Yeah, but as per usual, he muffed one or two punts, so Bill yanked him to put in the ultra low risk 2wise.

[pissclams]

L³ most likely will be returning kicks.  this is a go emaw exclusive.  he's a burner.

[bigwilliestyle1407]

Well I suspect if Hubert isn't our number one come kickoff, he would be a solid choice to return kicks. He's explosive and has quick lateral movements IMO.

Plus from what I understand, Rose could be a stud. Anyone know if he could be a k/p return option?

[pissclams]

L³ most likely will be returning kicks.  this is a go emaw exclusive.  he's a burner.

[chum1]

You guys are all frickin nuts for annointing Sams as the next big thing before he's ever even seen the D1 field.   

exactly.  I think it's far more likely he's the next quincy morgan than michael bishop.  but this fanbase is so locked into getting another bishop it almost doesn't make sense to try and reason.  We had a higher scoring offense than Mizzou last year with Carson freaking Coffman.  We don't need Bishop but we do need players around our QB.  We don't need an electrifying playmaker at QB to have a solid football team.  Collin Klein is more than enough to have a quality football team.  What we need is an OL that develops, Bryce to be a player, and a defense.

I think it's just as crazy to annoint the guy the next Quincy Morgan as it is to annoint the guy the next Micheal Bishop  He's a good looking athlete we'll see how it goes from there.   

oh really?  do you think it's easier to project or guess on future receivers or qbs sucess at the next level for either hs to college or college to pro?  If you say qb then this discussion is done.  And there is a reason programs like Miami and OU were coming after him as a non-QB skill player.  I think we may have been the only one 'cruitin for QB.  I wonder why that is because there are plenty of programs out there using the duelio-threat.

It's probably because those other programs don't have problems recruiting good qb's and don't need to take a risk on a kid who could step in and play wide receiver for them. LHC Bill Snyder, on the other hand, has not recruited a good quarterback since the turn of the millenium, and it makes a lot of sense to give one of the best athletes he's ever recruited a shot at playing the position he played in high school.

I would make exactly the same argument for Klein which would bring us back to square one.

I'd put Sams in the slot and let his speed open up the middle.  He's a burner, for sure.  Let Lockett ³ learn the slot as 2nd string Team Speedster but don't redshirt him unless, like Manhatter says, he asks to be redshirted.  Otherwise he needs to be running routes as this team's anointed Team Speedster in training.  L³ will be All-Deep team Freshman year, and 2nd string Team Speedster.  Give Sams the reigns and let him burn/all-deep as well, no reason not to.  Rumblings that L³ is getting votes for All-Hands as well.


Also love how all the people bitching about  Tate Snyder not walking on and burning a 'ship don't have anything to say about  L³ burning a 'ship and not walking on.   Believe me, Kevin has more money than a Brink's truck.

I hate to break it to people but Sams isn't a burner.  He's more of a 4.55 type guy.  But what he does have is athleticism...he's got some burst and change of direction...and he's got excellent body control and ball skills.  But he's not a guy who is going to stretch the field on a fly pattern.  That doesn't mean he can't be an excellent receiver...he's actually got the traits I'd rather him have than straightline speed although that would be even more of a bonus.  Amongst the receivers Lockett will clearly be our fastest kid down the field.  Harper runs a lot better than some people here realize, though.

I just think that  L³ is going to need some time to learn the slot and can learn a lot from Sams.  OK, great that Sams isn't a true burner but maybe he can teach the true burner, Team Speedster  L³ and then we hand the keys to the rocket over to him once he's learned everything from Sams.  Sams will be on my All-Hands team and on my All-Route Runner team (First team). 

I could make the same argument about Lockett III teaching Sams to play CB but that would take us right back to square one.

This is in response to Manhatter My quote function is jumping around and driving me nuts so I didn't use it.   Sure it's easier to project a WR but it's not all that easy to project an all american at any position.   Especially since this kid has never even been a full time WR.  He's never really been a full time anything and I think OU liked him as a safety if I'm  not mistaken.     

He will get a shot at QB at some point in time and he will play there if he's the most capable QB we have on the roster.  We're simply not going to have our best QB playing WR it won't happen not with this team or any team.  But My main point was it is kind of silly to annoint any unproven newcomer some kind of world beater regardless of position.  He's a good athlete he had nice offers but not all those kids pan out.  There are a few can't miss kids like Dez Bryant or something but this kid is not one of those.   Let's get him in here and see what he can do before we earmark him anything. 

I don't believe anybody stated he would be an all-american.  I believe I said something to the effect it's more likely he'll be the next quincy morgan THAN the next Michael Bishop.  I didn't realize I said he would be the next Quincy Morgan.  If I did then I'm mistaken.

I think his problem was with your earmarking, not with any of your statements.

update:

bryce:  combo speedater 1a
sams:  combo speedster 1b
(or vice versa it doesn't matter both are good qb/rb/wr combo speedsters)
reshirt team speedster: lockett III

this doesn't even begin to make any sense.

Sams is All-Hands team and All-Route Runner team 1A and Second Team All-Deep team.
L³ is Team Speedster Unanimous First Team Selection and All-Deep team *Captain (Freshman team), Honorable Mention All-Hands team and All Big 12 Burner.

Bryce- hmm  LOL I'm not even sure he exists on any team- yet.  Who's to say that he can't make it though, not me.  I would be shocked to see where Bryce lands on the teams once he has a chance to get up to speed with the B12. 

Would be shocked to see L³ not pan out to the next Q_Morgan.com

Here's how I see it:

bryce:  combo speedster 1a
sams:  combo speedster 1b
reshirt team speedster: lockett III

Have we figured who's returning kicks yet?

If we knew that, we'd know the Team Speedster and this thread wouldn't exist.  Or were you just being ironic?

Didn't Tremaine return kicks last year?  I know I don't want Tyyysyyyn returning any punts though.

Didn't Tremaine return kicks last year?  I know I don't want Tyyysyyyn returning any punts though.

Yeah, but as per usual, he muffed one or two punts, so Bill yanked him to put in the ultra low risk 2wise.

L³ most likely will be returning kicks.  this is a go emaw exclusive.  he's a burner.

Well I suspect if Hubert isn't our number one come kickoff, he would be a solid choice to return kicks. He's explosive and has quick lateral movements IMO.

Plus from what I understand, Rose could be a stud. Anyone know if he could be a k/p return option?

L³ most likely will be returning kicks.  this is a go emaw exclusive.  he's a burner.

If we knew that, we'd know the Team Speedster and this thread wouldn't exist.  Or were you just being ironic?

[The Manhatter]

this Lockett kid seems to be working out well for us.

Team Speedster voters have to be impressed.

[EllToPay]

this Lockett kid seems to be working out well for us.

Team Speedster voters have to be impressed.

don't ever leave us.

[Cire]

why didn't he run away from the defenders on the last catch before half?

[slimz]

why didn't he run away from the defenders on the last catch before half?

I noticed that on the replay. He had the angle initially, but I think the combo of a slight hesitation for the catch and thinking about what they were no doubt told before the play, "Go down in FG range if you think you might get caught," led him to go sideways and then go down.

[_33]

why didn't he run away from the defenders on the last catch before half?

He got an 18 on his ACT.

[pissclams]

good grief.  it's like i have a crystal ball.  and yup folks, chum1 is stewed once again

update:
reshirt team speedster: lockett III