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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Dr Rick Daris on April 22, 2011, 02:30:22 PM
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4:30
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Thanks, Ricardo.
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How's the BBS'n on your phone at work coming :lol:
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rough ridin' 810 having streaming problems.
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effing 810 having streaming problems.
I always get kicked off that stream. Is it because so many people tuning in to listen to Frank?
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How's the BBS'n on your phone at work coming :lol:
At home. Lol at working on a friday afternoon.
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2 open scholarships.
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Never a can-did-it at Miami.
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Tucker "I answered the question he asked"
"Kevin, do you think I beg for anything?"
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Son in Miami told him not to come to Miami.
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Honest answer about 1.5 mil to 1.1 mil. Frank wants the honest answer out there.
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Thought about not being asked for a day.
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Only bothered that people said Miami is a bad job.
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People recruit us.
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Kellis Robinett pees sitting down.
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1K empty seats for the Kansas game?
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1K empty seats for the Kansas game?
:dubious:
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I'm not going to chase jobs.
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1K empty seats for the Kansas game?
Never heard anything like that. Can't be true.
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1K empty seats for the Kansas game?
:dubious:
Yeah. That is not true.
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Don't believe for a second there was a 1000 empty seats at the ku game, unless Bramlage suddenly grew.
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I suppose perception is reality even when its not reality.
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wasn't that the game they had a student ticket fiasco, which caused students getting in late?
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wasn't that the game they had a student ticket fiasco, which caused students getting in late?
Yes.
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Well WHB's 768 DSL line won't let me on, so can someone recap?
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Honest answer about 1.5 mil to 1.1 mil. Frank wants the honest answer out there.
He seemed very upset by this. Wants his salary honestly portrayed because it's not. Adament his contract number is not truthfull.
Very weird. What is the big lie about what he is being paid that I am missing?
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Let's see how hot crap Frank is talking a year from now. :dubious:
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Honest answer about 1.5 mil to 1.1 mil. Frank wants the honest answer out there.
He seemed very upset by this. Wants his salary honestly portrayed because it's not. Adament his contract number is not truthfull.
Very weird. What is the big lie about what he is being paid that I am missing?
the way I understand it he is just arguing the semantics of base salary and incentives over the life of the contract, but from what Dax said he received that much cash from us this year all told.
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Honest answer about 1.5 mil to 1.1 mil. Frank wants the honest answer out there.
He seemed very upset by this. Wants his salary honestly portrayed because it's not. Adament his contract number is not truthfull.
Very weird. What is the big lie about what he is being paid that I am missing?
His salary increases yearly, up to 1.6 in the end. And 1.55 mil includes incentives and averaged out over the life of the contract. This year he made 1.1 mil plus incentives.
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Only listened up until BITB said something about Frank leading this all out so that he can tel FL kids that he didn't come because Manhattan is better. Then I had to get back to work. :dubious:
anything after that?
Frank seems to really hate Danny.
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1K empty seats for the Kansas game?
I believe it, 4 open directly behind me and 2 directly in front
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1K empty seats for the Kansas game?
I believe it, 4 open directly behind me and 2 directly in front
4+2=1000 :runaway:
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new signings the last few days? :dunno:
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new signings the last few days? :dunno:
No, two to sign.
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1K empty seats for the Kansas game?
I believe it, 4 open directly behind me and 2 directly in front
4+2=1000 :runaway:
ex·trap·o·late verb
ex·trap·o·lat·edex·trap·o·lat·ing
1: to infer (values of a variable in an unobserved interval) from values within an already observed interval
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I think what Frank saw when he came out was the corner where students filled in late and empties throughout. Most of those filled, but by that point he wasn't paying any attention to the crowd.
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new signings the last few days? :dunno:
No, two to sign.
Is diaz signed
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it was awesome that, nearly 2 months later, he weaved in a shot at the fans not showing up to the ku game when bitb was asking a question that involved the support he has in manhattan compared to what he might have in miami. incredible. fell in love with frank all over again in that interview.
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1K empty seats for the Kansas game?
I believe it, 4 open directly behind me and 2 directly in front
4+2=1000 :runaway:
ex·trap·o·late verb
ex·trap·o·lat·edex·trap·o·lat·ing
1: to infer (values of a variable in an unobserved interval) from values within an already observed interval
All seats around me were full. Extrapolating from my experience, it was 100% full. :dunno:
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it was awesome that, nearly 2 months later, he weaved in a shot at the fans not showing up to the ku game when bitb was asking a question that involved the support he has in manhattan compared to what he might have in miami. incredible. fell in love with frank all over again in that interview.
A true Tuck; coaches over school. Straight out of the powerespect playbook. Frank is Snyder and beyond now.
Grats Zacker.
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new signings the last few days? :dunno:
No, two to sign.
Is diaz signed
Yes. Angel and Jones/ Watson I'm guessing for the final two.
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so we get 2 out of Angel, Watson, and Jones? Are angel's grades okay? or are we getting Pitino'd?
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Honest answer about 1.5 mil to 1.1 mil. Frank wants the honest answer out there.
He seemed very upset by this. Wants his salary honestly portrayed because it's not.
he should start by honestly portraying his contract. 1.1 is fiction, you could make an argument that 1.55 isn't the most precise portrayal, but it's far more accurate than 1.1.
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so we get 2 out of Angel, Watson, and Jones? Are angel's grades okay? or are we getting Pitino'd?
zacker, they're getting all 3. 2 current players are leaving.
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What kind of fantasy land is Frank in, in regards to his contract?
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so we get 2 out of Angel, Watson, and Jones? Are angel's grades okay? or are we getting Pitino'd?
zacker, they're getting all 3. 2 current players are leaving.
Perhaps, Frank said specifically that we had 2 open. And then talked a lot about honesty. So there.
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Honest answer about 1.5 mil to 1.1 mil. Frank wants the honest answer out there.
He seemed very upset by this. Wants his salary honestly portrayed because it's not.
he should start by honestly portraying his contract. 1.1 is fiction, you could make an argument that 1.55 isn't the most precise portrayal, but it's far more accurate than 1.1.
frank gets righteous-y alot. thought he'd throw in a "ya know, I was a math teacher....".
so we get 2 out of Angel, Watson, and Jones? Are angel's grades okay? or are we getting Pitino'd?
zacker, they're getting all 3. 2 current players are leaving.
goddamnit. forgot about frank's spring cleaning. wish Rod the best though.
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Perhaps, Frank said specifically that we had 2 open. And then talked a lot about honesty. So there.
but he was counting lawrence and ar-t as closed, surely.
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What kind of fantasy land is Frank in, in regards to his contract?
Yeah, he's quoting last year's base. 1.2 mil was his base this year.
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Perhaps, Frank said specifically that we had 2 open. And then talked a lot about honesty. So there.
but he was counting lawrence and ar-t as closed, surely.
That's not how I took it, but perhaps. BITB's first question was about recruiting, and Frank said he could only talk about the players they already signed (Diaz, Gipson), then said we had 2 open for the spring.
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Honest answer about 1.5 mil to 1.1 mil. Frank wants the honest answer out there.
He seemed very upset by this. Wants his salary honestly portrayed because it's not.
he should start by honestly portraying his contract. 1.1 is fiction, you could make an argument that 1.55 isn't the most precise portrayal, but it's far more accurate than 1.1.
I really don't understand why he is so angered by his contract being allegedly misrepresented.
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Perhaps, Frank said specifically that we had 2 open. And then talked a lot about honesty. So there.
but he was counting lawrence and ar-t as closed, surely.
That's not how I took it, but perhaps. BITB's first question was about recruiting, and Frank said he could only talk about the players they already signed (Diaz, Gipson), then said we had 2 open for the spring.
I took it this way as well. Made me think that Angel was one of the two open.
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What kind of fantasy land is Frank in, in regards to his contract?
Yeah, he's quoting last year's base. 1.2 mil was his base this year.
Plus he's less than a year away from a $250K bonus, like I said in another thread, Frank will make over $1.5 next year just by being the basketball coach at K-State.
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I took it this way as well. Made me think that Angel was one of the two open.
ok, well then he's just lying. like with his contract.
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Odd that people on this board think they somehow know more about Frank's contract than Frank does.
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Odd that people on this board think they somehow know more about Frank's contract than Frank does.
So you're saying that Frank has yet another secret K-State contract that wasn't posted publically anywhere? Is this correct jt?
crap, we've been Krause(d) again . . . thanks for exposing this jt.
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Odd that people on this board think they somehow know more about Frank's contract than Frank does.
you are very stupid.
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thought Martin mentioned once that since he came from so little, he hates it when the numbers aren't correct.
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Frank is starting to sound like Daisy Werthan reminding Hoke Colburn that she's not rich.
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I think what Frank saw when he came out was the corner where students filled in late and empties throughout. Most of those filled, but by that point he wasn't paying any attention to the crowd.
Sorry Frank. :frown: Trim and I were late do to our alchoholism and were not in our seats until right at tip off.
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I took it this way as well. Made me think that Angel was one of the two open.
ok, well then he's just lying. like with his contract.
Is is really Rod, then?
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it was awesome that, nearly 2 months later, he weaved in a shot at the fans not showing up to the ku game when bitb was asking a question that involved the support he has in manhattan compared to what he might have in miami. incredible. fell in love with frank all over again in that interview.
just finally listened to this. Wow, must have bothered him a while.
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top of GA student sec. had plenty of empties. No where near 1,000 though.
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I think what Frank saw when he came out was the corner where students filled in late and empties throughout. Most of those filled, but by that point he wasn't paying any attention to the crowd.
Sorry Frank. :frown: Trim and I were late do to our alchoholism and were not in our seats until right at tip off.
Seriously, those long island ice teas weren't going to drink themselves, Frank.
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I think what Frank saw when he came out was the corner where students filled in late and empties throughout. Most of those filled, but by that point he wasn't paying any attention to the crowd.
Sorry Frank. :frown: Trim and I were late do to our alchoholism and were not in our seats until right at tip off.
Seriously, those long island ice tees weren't going to drink themselves, Frank.
I'm pretty sure it's a sin to walk away from perfectly good alcohol . . . waste not, want not and everything.
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random ticket thoughts:
Students filled in way late, obvious is obvious
Frank wouldn't have noticed the steady fill in once the game started
Honestly section 18 had empties all the way to the second half, I think students assumed that it was full and filled in the corner with the slow trickle in. Wasn't until near half time that student realized that the top of 18 was still open at the north corner.
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Odd that people on this board think they somehow know more about Frank's contract than Frank does.
This is the stupidest rough ridin' post you've ever made, and you've made a lot of stupid rough ridin' posts. :facepalm:
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Odd that people on this board think they somehow know more about Frank's contract than Frank does.
This is the stupidest rough ridin' post you've ever made, and you've made a lot of stupid rough ridin' posts. :facepalm:
You are the worst poster on this board by far. How dare you call out someone else.
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Regarding Frank and his continuing stupidity in regard to his own contract and his bitching and whining about it to the media...
Pretty good explanation:
Frank's statement (about his contract being dishonestly represented) is not accurate. In fact it is inaccurate or misleading on at least four different levels.
1) Frank's base pay for the last year was 1.2 million, not 1.1 million.
2) If Frank collected "every bonus" he would make far more than 1.55 million per year. The 1.55 figure includes only longevity bonuses, not any performance bonuses. In order to collect those bonuses he only need not accept any other job, and not be fired. The exact same conditions that would apply for him to collect his base salary.
Those two are simply parts of his statement are simply false. Either Frank lied or he does not understand the terms of his contract, there is no other way to view these incongruities.
Two other aspects of his statement are misleading, although not false.
3) Not including a prorated accounting of his longevity bonuses as part of his annual salary. As mentioned above, the requirements to receive these bonuses are identical to those required to receive his annual salary. It is not false to state that Frank made 1.2 million this year and will make 1.55 million next year. However, because the longevity bonuses reward employment rendered over all years of the contract, not merely the year in which they are delivered, it is more accurate to state that he made 1.325 this year and will make 1.425 next year.
4) Because the context of Frank's discussion was with relation to Miami contacting him and their perception of his salary at KSU, it is somewhat misleading, although not false, for him to discuss his current salary. Miami would not care what Frank made in 2010-11, they would be concerned with what salary would be due to him from 2011-15, the period over which they might think they would need to match or beat his current salary. Accordingly, the 1.55 figure that Frank took issue with was actually far more relevant than the 1.2 million in base salary that Frank received in 2010-11.
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The whole salary talk from Frank is just really bizarre. Does he think Miami wouldn't do this kind of basic research before they made a final decision on whether or not to consider him? Does he not understand his own contract? Does he think the media doesn't have access to discredit his statements regarding his salary?
Why in the hell would he choose to lie about something that is so easily discredited? :confused:
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Once again- who knows more about Frank's salary: Frank and his agent or some internet dumbasses?
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Odd that people on this board think they somehow know more about Frank's contract than Frank does.
This is the stupidest rough ridin' post you've ever made, and you've made a lot of stupid rough ridin' posts. :facepalm:
You are the worst poster on this board by far. How dare you call out someone else.
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The whole salary talk from Frank is just really bizarre. Does he think Miami wouldn't do this kind of basic research before they made a final decision on whether or not to consider him? Does he not understand his own contract? Does he think the media doesn't have access to discredit his statements regarding his salary?
Why in the hell would he choose to lie about something that is so easily discredited? :confused:
If you would have heard the interview or read _fan's summary of the interview you would know that
1. The salary answer had nothing to do with Miami.
2. Frank clearly doesn't believe he is lying, he isn't lying.
All of you who insist that Frank is lying about how much he makes are either poor, stupid, or insincere; likely all three. No one in this country who works off a contract considers their salary what they make after receiving bonuses. When you discuss your salary you talk about what you make before bonuses, or what you have made not what you are going to make. That quote from GPC in wabash's post was long winded and likely from some hourly worker at the Dillon's meat counter. No one rough ridin' counts bonuses as salary. His base was 1.2 he was off by 100K, how the hell does that make him a liar?
He's telling you mouthbreathers not to count his bonuses as his salary, after all they're bonuses, idiots.
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His base was 1.2, he was off by 100K, how the hell does that make him a liar?
you kinda answered your own question there mirsey.
your diatribe about the bonuses is pretty laughable too. the retention bonuses are part of his overall compensation package, other than the schedule that martin receives payment, they are in no way different than his base pay.
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Once again- who knows more about Frank's salary: Frank and his agent or some internet dumbasses?
All it takes is the ability to read and you can understand Frank's contract.
According to his contract:
This is what Frank will be paid according to his contract simply for being K-State's Basketball Coach for the entire term of the contract, and simply for signing his name on the dotted line:
Year One: $760K in Salary, and a $462K signing bonus. Total: $1,222,000.00
Year Two: Total: $1,200,000.00
Year Three: $1,300,000.00 in Salary, and a $250K retention bonus (note: The $250k retention bonus could possibly slip into Year Four if K-State takes it's full allotment of days to pay the bonus after 4/30/2012). Total $1,550,000.00
Year Four: Total: $1,400,000.00
Year Five: Total: $1,500,000.00
Year Six: $1,600,000.00 in salary and a $500,000.00 retention bonus. Total: $2,100,000.00
That works out to a 6 year average of $1.495 (give or take) million a year, and all Frank has to do to hit that average is. 1. Be K-State's head mens basketball coach. 2. Complete the full term of his contract. There are no performance bonuses of any kind in that average. Meanwhile IMO Frank is painting a picture that he'll essentially have to hit them all out of the park to average $1.5 million a year. IMO that's being a bit disingenuous.
He'll have a total Fringe Benefit package that I'd guessestimate to have total dollar value of about $300K for the entire term of his contract. He gets that simply for being K-State's coach.
There was/is up to $600K total in non on court performance bonuses in play relating to graduation rates over the life of the contract.
There was/is up to $450K worth of coach of the year bonuses over the life of the contract.
In terms of on court performance bonuses, Frank gets 4% of his annual base salary simply for giving K-State basketball something resembling a pulse in making the NIT and going 9-7 in conference play. (I suspect the conference win total piece will have to amended for the "new" conference structure). He gets 8% of his base pay in bonuses for making the NCAA tourney. (IMO that's not exactly having to go up to the plate and knock it out of the park, not in the era of 68 teams making the NCAA tourney, hit a nice double this coming year Frank and you'll get paid $104K in performance bonuses). The range goes up 32% of his base salary and of course when he's up there, he is knocking them out of the park.
Another juicy little tidbit that our own Kellis R. has pointed out I believe. Based on this years performance K-State (and Frank) are contractually obligated to commence good faith negotiations on a contract modification or extension between the periods of 4/1/2012 and 5/31/2012.
Let's also not forget outside income, like the Frank Martin basketball camp. It was K-State who created Head Coach Frank Martin, and Frank gets to stuff the net proceeds of his basketball camp in his own pocket. Plus of course other outside income opportunities, enhanced by the fact that K-State created Head Coach Frank Martin. Nobody is going to go to associate head coach Frank Martin's basketball camp, nobody is going to pay any significant dollars to hear K-State assistant head coach Frank Martin talk. But then again, I've always been a K-State is bigger than any one person kind of guy, meanwhile tucks, tards and ites have always been of the mindset that certain individual people are actually bigger than K-State . . . when it was K-State who gave those individuals the opportunity to make millions of dollars and to excel and to potentially move on to bigger (or in the case of Miami lessor) things.
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Anyone who follows KSU basketball knows that Frank exaggerates every number he says by a unit or 2. Money, attendance, age, etc. Everything. He absolutely knew his base was 1.2 and said 1.1. That's just Frankspeak.
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The whole salary talk from Frank is just really bizarre. Does he think Miami wouldn't do this kind of basic research before they made a final decision on whether or not to consider him? Does he not understand his own contract? Does he think the media doesn't have access to discredit his statements regarding his salary?
Why in the hell would he choose to lie about something that is so easily discredited? :confused:
If you would have heard the interview or read _fan's summary of the interview you would know that
1. The salary answer had nothing to do with Miami.
2. Frank clearly doesn't believe he is lying, he isn't lying.
All of you who insist that Frank is lying about how much he makes are either poor, stupid, or insincere; likely all three. No one in this country who works off a contract considers their salary what they make after receiving bonuses. When you discuss your salary you talk about what you make before bonuses, or what you have made not what you are going to make. That quote from GPC in wabash's post was long winded and likely from some hourly worker at the Dillon's meat counter. No one rough ridin' counts bonuses as salary. His base was 1.2 he was off by 100K, how the hell does that make him a liar?
He's telling you mouthbreathers not to count his bonuses as his salary, after all they're bonuses, idiots.
I can't believe you don't understand this. The clearest definition of salary, and how most people think of it, is the amount you are contractually owed simply for showing up to work and doing your job, regardless of how well you do that job. The "bonuses" written into this contract that we're talking about aren't the same as a typical performance bonus. They're guaranteed for being the basketball coach at KSU. In that way, they are no different than his "salary" except, as sys pointed out, they are paid in lump sum.
It's incredibly disingenuous for him to act upset that his salary wasn't reported exactly right and then misreport it himself. Even if, as you pointed out, he only quoted it as $100k less than the actual number he believes it to be, how is that any more truthful than someone quoting as $1.5 million? They're both incorrect and if he wants to claim that he's upset that the incorrect number is being floated, he'd better make damn sure he's quoting the EXACT number. And if he's not "lying", then he just doesn't understand his own contract, which is worse IMO.
In saying that we're wrong because Frank understands his own contract better than us, you're making 2 very Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) assumptions. A.) Frank is incapable of lying about his contract AND B.) the contract that is publicly available is incorrect.
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In saying that we're wrong because Frank understands his own contract better than us, you're making 2 very Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) assumptions. A.) Frank is incapable of lying about his contract AND B.) the contract that is publicly available is incorrect.
WTF are you talking about I saw Trim read it in my truck as we drove to Manhattan.
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You need to some more editing, Gooch.
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You need to some more editing, Gooch.
Uh oh.
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You need to some more editing, Gooch.
Uh oh.
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No, I mean you left out a word when you were saying he needs to edit more.
Unless you did it on purpose, in which case, :horrorsurprise: and :cheers: !!!
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No, I mean you left out a word when you were saying he needs to edit more.
Unless you did it on purpose, in which case, :horrorsurprise: and :cheers: !!!
Yeah, me driving along is not caring that I left out a word. My editing suggestion was about the substance of his post, not the grammar.
:party:
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No, I mean you left out a word when you were saying he needs to edit more.
Unless you did it on purpose, in which case, :horrorsurprise: and :cheers: !!!
Yeah, me driving along is not caring that I left out a word. My editing suggestion was about the substance of his post, not the grammar.
:party:
Add some more colors and you've got a PW post right there, my man. :emawkid:
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His base was 1.2, he was off by 100K, how the hell does that make him a liar?
your diatribe about the bonuses is pretty laughable too. the retention bonuses are part of his overall compensation package, other than the schedule that martin receives payment, they are in no way different than his base pay.
Contractually the retention bonuses are well bonuses, I'm not arguing what he makes, I'm telling everyone who thinks his base pay is $1.5 million that they are wrong. Contractually he won't reach that in base pay until '13-'14. By then there is no shot that the contract will be the same.
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Anyone who follows KSU basketball knows that Frank exaggerates every number he says by a unit or 2. Money, attendance, age, etc. Everything. He absolutely knew his base was 1.2 and said 1.1. That's just Frankspeak.
You're absolutely correct he does do this. In this case all it did was dilute his point, it was an unnecessary exaggeration since his point was that his base salary isn't $1.5 million.
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The whole salary talk from Frank is just really bizarre. Does he think Miami wouldn't do this kind of basic research before they made a final decision on whether or not to consider him? Does he not understand his own contract? Does he think the media doesn't have access to discredit his statements regarding his salary?
Why in the hell would he choose to lie about something that is so easily discredited? :confused:
If you would have heard the interview or read _fan's summary of the interview you would know that
1. The salary answer had nothing to do with Miami.
2. Frank clearly doesn't believe he is lying, he isn't lying.
All of you who insist that Frank is lying about how much he makes are either poor, stupid, or insincere; likely all three. No one in this country who works off a contract considers their salary what they make after receiving bonuses. When you discuss your salary you talk about what you make before bonuses, or what you have made not what you are going to make. That quote from GPC in wabash's post was long winded and likely from some hourly worker at the Dillon's meat counter. No one rough ridin' counts bonuses as salary. His base was 1.2 he was off by 100K, how the hell does that make him a liar?
He's telling you mouthbreathers not to count his bonuses as his salary, after all they're bonuses, idiots.
In saying that we're wrong because Frank understands his own contract better than us, you're making 2 very Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) assumptions.
Motherfucka when in the hell did I say that? Why do you care so much about what the man tells who about how much money he makes? I don't give a flying eff if he's lying, stupid, or both, just win baby.
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Anyone who follows KSU basketball knows that Frank exaggerates every number he says by a unit or 2. Money, attendance, age, etc. Everything. He absolutely knew his base was 1.2 and said 1.1. That's just Frankspeak.
You're absolutely correct he does do this. In this case all it did was dilute his point, it was an unnecessary exaggeration since his point was that his base salary isn't $1.5 million.
It diluted his point if his point had actually been about the integrity of publicly known salary figures. If his point was trying to explain away why he hadn't even been contacted for a seemingly perfect fit job to a non-local guy who might not know better, he should've exaggerated it even more.
I'm not mad at him.
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if he gets some kind of retention bonus at the end of every year then yeah, that's his salary. a yearly retention bonus should be considered salary by anyone who receives one. don't know if that's how franks is and don't care in the scheme of things. but a yearly retention bonus isn't really a "bonus". it's salary.
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wgaf
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wgaf
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K-State fans who got really ticked at Frank (a little annoyed I can understand) during this whole Miami ordeal seem pretty hilarious to me. This simply has little bearing to me on my overall perception of Frank. If he continues to win games and because of his rockstar status get K-State's brand out there over and over I can live with it. I really don't care if he played the contract negotiation/flirt with another program game for one summer, even if some of it was poorly done on his part. If he doesn't continue to win, none of this matters anyway.
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wgaf
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K-State fans who got really ticked at Frank (a little annoyed I can understand) during this whole Miami ordeal seem pretty hilarious to me. This simply has little bearing to me on my overall perception of Frank. If he continues to win games and because of his rockstar status get K-State's brand out there over and over I can live with it. I really don't care if he played the contract negotiation/flirt with another program game for one summer, even if some of it was poorly done on his part. If he doesn't continue to win, none of this matters anyway.
stupid white ksu fans (not being mean, love ksu fans, it's just true, listen to me here, i am better than you here) simply do not understand how a minority like frank martin thinks.
I do. Thus, he listens and talks to people like me, and doesn't to you guys.
let's, go cats!
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K-State fans who got really ticked at Frank (a little annoyed I can understand) during this whole Miami ordeal seem pretty hilarious to me. This simply has little bearing to me on my overall perception of Frank. If he continues to win games and because of his rockstar status get K-State's brand out there over and over I can live with it. I really don't care if he played the contract negotiation/flirt with another program game for one summer, even if some of it was poorly done on his part. If he doesn't continue to win, none of this matters anyway.
stupid white ksu fans (not being mean, love ksu fans, it's just true, listen to me here, i am better than you here) simply do not understand how a minority like frank martin thinks.
I do. Thus, he listens and talks to people like me, and doesn't to you guys.
let's, go cats!
Agreed. It's great to know how Frank feels.
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The whole salary talk from Frank is just really bizarre. Does he think Miami wouldn't do this kind of basic research before they made a final decision on whether or not to consider him? Does he not understand his own contract? Does he think the media doesn't have access to discredit his statements regarding his salary?
Why in the hell would he choose to lie about something that is so easily discredited? :confused:
If you would have heard the interview or read _fan's summary of the interview you would know that
1. The salary answer had nothing to do with Miami.
2. Frank clearly doesn't believe he is lying, he isn't lying.
All of you who insist that Frank is lying about how much he makes are either poor, stupid, or insincere; likely all three. No one in this country who works off a contract considers their salary what they make after receiving bonuses. When you discuss your salary you talk about what you make before bonuses, or what you have made not what you are going to make. That quote from GPC in wabash's post was long winded and likely from some hourly worker at the Dillon's meat counter. No one effing counts bonuses as salary. His base was 1.2 he was off by 100K, how the hell does that make him a liar?
He's telling you mouthbreathers not to count his bonuses as his salary, after all they're bonuses, idiots.
MIR nails it. Frank just on 610 saying he doesn't count the bonuses.
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The whole salary talk from Frank is just really bizarre. Does he think Miami wouldn't do this kind of basic research before they made a final decision on whether or not to consider him? Does he not understand his own contract? Does he think the media doesn't have access to discredit his statements regarding his salary?
Why in the hell would he choose to lie about something that is so easily discredited? :confused:
If you would have heard the interview or read _fan's summary of the interview you would know that
1. The salary answer had nothing to do with Miami.
2. Frank clearly doesn't believe he is lying, he isn't lying.
All of you who insist that Frank is lying about how much he makes are either poor, stupid, or insincere; likely all three. No one in this country who works off a contract considers their salary what they make after receiving bonuses. When you discuss your salary you talk about what you make before bonuses, or what you have made not what you are going to make. That quote from GPC in wabash's post was long winded and likely from some hourly worker at the Dillon's meat counter. No one effing counts bonuses as salary. His base was 1.2 he was off by 100K, how the hell does that make him a liar?
He's telling you mouthbreathers not to count his bonuses as his salary, after all they're bonuses, idiots.
MIR nails it. Frank just on 610 saying he doesn't count the bonuses.
LOL. He is still going on the radio to talk about this.
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He went on a tangent beginning with the phrase, 'Life's about tough choices, Nick..."
I promptly turned it off.
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Love Frank. So proud, so obstinate, so such an amazing dumbass at times.
:woot:
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LOL . . . doesn't count the bonuses he gets just for signing a document and being the coach.
Fantastic Frank.
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He went on a tangent beginning with the phrase, 'Life's about tough choices, Nick..."
I promptly turned it off.
Lol. Seriously.
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i guess i sort of give a eff. just thought frank was sort of cooler than all this. or something.
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Love Frank. So proud, so obstinate, so such an amazing dumbass at times.
:woot:
yeah still love frank. for everything he is, and isn't.
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Love Frank. So proud, so obstinate, so such an amazing dumbass at times.
:woot:
yeah still love frank. for everything he is, and isn't.
He's everything you wouldn't expect a Kansas State head basketball coach to be: Cuban... Provocative... Good at winning college basketball games... It's why I love him.
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Love Frank. So proud, so obstinate, so such an amazing dumbass at times.
:woot:
yeah still love frank. for everything he is, and isn't.
Yeah same here. I'm just embarrassed for him right now. :embarrassed:
Every other coach and AD in the country did a massive :facepalm: when Frank started talking about his salary to a reporter. And now he won't stop. :dubious:
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I think Dr. Tom agrees with Frank.
"The thing I began to realize in looking at contracts is that people from outside the Nebraska athletic department, when they look at a coach's salary, aren't interested in a five-year contract and what you're going to make in 2014, 2015," Osborne said. "They're interested in what you make right now."
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=6426885
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frick... i missed it :goodbyecruelworld: where can i find it?
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JK, FOUND IT :ksu:
http://www.stationcaster.com/player_skinned.php?s=26&c=375&f=75653