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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #50 on: April 22, 2011, 05:32:00 PM »
Honest answer about 1.5 mil to 1.1 mil. Frank wants the honest answer out there.

He seemed very upset by this.  Wants his salary honestly portrayed because it's not.  

he should start by honestly portraying his contract.  1.1 is fiction, you could make an argument that 1.55 isn't the most precise portrayal, but it's far more accurate than 1.1.


I really don't understand why he is so angered by his contract being allegedly misrepresented.





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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2011, 05:32:16 PM »
Perhaps, Frank said specifically that we had 2 open. And then talked a lot about honesty. So there.

but he was counting lawrence and ar-t as closed, surely.

That's not how I took it, but perhaps. BITB's first question was about recruiting, and Frank said he could only talk about the players they already signed (Diaz, Gipson), then said we had 2 open for the spring.

I took it this way as well.  Made me think that Angel was one of the two open.

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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2011, 05:32:27 PM »
What kind of fantasy land is Frank in, in regards to his contract?



Yeah, he's quoting last year's base. 1.2 mil was his base this year.

Plus he's less than a year away from a $250K bonus, like I said in another thread, Frank will make over $1.5 next year just by being the basketball coach at K-State.


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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2011, 05:37:00 PM »
I took it this way as well.  Made me think that Angel was one of the two open.

ok, well then he's just lying.  like with his contract.

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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #54 on: April 22, 2011, 05:52:07 PM »
Odd that people on this board think they somehow know more about Frank's contract than Frank does.

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« Reply #55 on: April 22, 2011, 06:04:46 PM »
Odd that people on this board think they somehow know more about Frank's contract than Frank does.

So you're saying that Frank has yet another secret K-State contract that wasn't posted publically anywhere?  Is this correct jt?

crap, we've been Krause(d) again . . . thanks for exposing this jt.


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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #56 on: April 22, 2011, 06:24:17 PM »
Odd that people on this board think they somehow know more about Frank's contract than Frank does.

you are very stupid.


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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #57 on: April 22, 2011, 06:27:30 PM »
thought Martin mentioned once that since he came from so little, he hates it when the numbers aren't correct.
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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #58 on: April 22, 2011, 06:55:18 PM »
Frank is starting to sound like Daisy Werthan reminding Hoke Colburn that she's not rich.


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« Reply #59 on: April 22, 2011, 06:55:38 PM »
I think what Frank saw when he came out was the corner where students filled in late and empties throughout. Most of those filled, but by that point he wasn't paying any attention to the crowd.
Sorry Frank.  :frown: Trim and I were late do to our alchoholism and were not in our seats until right at tip off.
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« Reply #60 on: April 22, 2011, 08:26:53 PM »
I took it this way as well.  Made me think that Angel was one of the two open.

ok, well then he's just lying.  like with his contract.



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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #61 on: April 22, 2011, 08:55:51 PM »
it was awesome that, nearly 2 months later, he weaved in a shot at the fans not showing up to the ku game when bitb was asking a question that involved the support he has in manhattan compared to what he might have in miami.  incredible.  fell in love with frank all over again in that interview.

just finally listened to this. Wow, must have bothered him a while.
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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #62 on: April 22, 2011, 09:09:21 PM »
top of GA student sec. had plenty of empties. No where near 1,000 though.

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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #63 on: April 22, 2011, 09:15:11 PM »
I think what Frank saw when he came out was the corner where students filled in late and empties throughout. Most of those filled, but by that point he wasn't paying any attention to the crowd.
Sorry Frank.  :frown: Trim and I were late do to our alchoholism and were not in our seats until right at tip off.

Seriously, those long island ice teas weren't going to drink themselves, Frank.






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« Reply #64 on: April 22, 2011, 10:16:57 PM »
I think what Frank saw when he came out was the corner where students filled in late and empties throughout. Most of those filled, but by that point he wasn't paying any attention to the crowd.
Sorry Frank.  :frown: Trim and I were late do to our alchoholism and were not in our seats until right at tip off.

Seriously, those long island ice tees weren't going to drink themselves, Frank.





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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #65 on: April 23, 2011, 08:16:08 AM »
random ticket thoughts:
Students filled in way late, obvious is obvious
Frank wouldn't have noticed the steady fill in once the game started
Honestly section 18 had empties all the way to the second half, I think students assumed that it was full and filled in the corner with the slow trickle in.  Wasn't until near half time that student realized that the top of 18 was still open at the north corner.
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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #66 on: April 23, 2011, 02:09:51 PM »
Odd that people on this board think they somehow know more about Frank's contract than Frank does.

This is the stupidest rough ridin' post you've ever made, and you've made a lot of stupid rough ridin' posts.  :facepalm:
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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #67 on: April 23, 2011, 02:48:52 PM »
Odd that people on this board think they somehow know more about Frank's contract than Frank does.

This is the stupidest rough ridin' post you've ever made, and you've made a lot of stupid rough ridin' posts.  :facepalm:

You are the worst poster on this board by far. How dare you call out someone else.

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« Reply #68 on: April 23, 2011, 03:33:54 PM »
Regarding Frank and his continuing stupidity in regard to his own contract and his bitching and whining about it to the media...

Pretty good explanation:

Frank's statement (about his contract being dishonestly represented) is not accurate. In fact it is inaccurate or misleading on at least four different levels.

1) Frank's base pay for the last year was 1.2 million, not 1.1 million.
2) If Frank collected "every bonus" he would make far more than 1.55 million per year. The 1.55 figure includes only longevity bonuses, not any performance bonuses. In order to collect those bonuses he only need not accept any other job, and not be fired. The exact same conditions that would apply for him to collect his base salary.

Those two are simply parts of his statement are simply false. Either Frank lied or he does not understand the terms of his contract, there is no other way to view these incongruities.

Two other aspects of his statement are misleading, although not false.

3) Not including a prorated accounting of his longevity bonuses as part of his annual salary. As mentioned above, the requirements to receive these bonuses are identical to those required to receive his annual salary. It is not false to state that Frank made 1.2 million this year and will make 1.55 million next year. However, because the longevity bonuses reward employment rendered over all years of the contract, not merely the year in which they are delivered, it is more accurate to state that he made 1.325 this year and will make 1.425 next year.
4) Because the context of Frank's discussion was with relation to Miami contacting him and their perception of his salary at KSU, it is somewhat misleading, although not false, for him to discuss his current salary. Miami would not care what Frank made in 2010-11, they would be concerned with what salary would be due to him from 2011-15, the period over which they might think they would need to match or beat his current salary. Accordingly, the 1.55 figure that Frank took issue with was actually far more relevant than the 1.2 million in base salary that Frank received in 2010-11.
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« Reply #69 on: April 23, 2011, 10:06:01 PM »
The whole salary talk from Frank is just really bizarre.  Does he think Miami wouldn't do this kind of basic research before they made a final decision on whether or not to consider him?  Does he not understand his own contract?  Does he think the media doesn't have access to discredit his statements regarding his salary?

Why in the hell would he choose to lie about something that is so easily discredited?  :confused:
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« Reply #70 on: April 24, 2011, 12:57:57 AM »
Once again-  who knows more about Frank's salary:  Frank and his agent or some internet dumbasses? 

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« Reply #71 on: April 24, 2011, 01:28:50 AM »
Odd that people on this board think they somehow know more about Frank's contract than Frank does.

This is the stupidest rough ridin' post you've ever made, and you've made a lot of stupid rough ridin' posts.  :facepalm:

You are the worst poster on this board by far. How dare you call out someone else.


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« Reply #72 on: April 24, 2011, 02:52:29 AM »
The whole salary talk from Frank is just really bizarre.  Does he think Miami wouldn't do this kind of basic research before they made a final decision on whether or not to consider him?  Does he not understand his own contract?  Does he think the media doesn't have access to discredit his statements regarding his salary?

Why in the hell would he choose to lie about something that is so easily discredited?  :confused:

If you would have heard the interview or read _fan's summary of the interview you would know that
1. The salary answer had nothing to do with Miami.
2. Frank clearly doesn't believe he is lying, he isn't lying.

All of you who insist that Frank is lying about how much he makes are either poor, stupid, or insincere; likely all three.  No one in this country who works off a contract considers their salary what they make after receiving bonuses.  When you discuss your salary you talk about what you make before bonuses, or what you have made not what you are going to make.  That quote from GPC in wabash's post was long winded and likely from some hourly worker at the Dillon's meat counter.  No one rough ridin' counts bonuses as salary.  His base was 1.2 he was off by 100K,  how the hell does that make him a liar?

He's telling you mouthbreathers not to count his bonuses as his salary, after all they're bonuses, idiots.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

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« Reply #73 on: April 24, 2011, 03:03:07 AM »
His base was 1.2, he was off by 100K,  how the hell does that make him a liar?

you kinda answered your own question there mirsey.


your diatribe about the bonuses is pretty laughable too.  the retention bonuses are part of his overall compensation package, other than the schedule that martin receives payment, they are in no way different than his base pay.
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« Reply #74 on: April 24, 2011, 04:13:27 AM »
Once again-  who knows more about Frank's salary:  Frank and his agent or some internet dumbasses?  

All it takes is the ability to read and you can understand Frank's contract.



According to his contract:

This is what Frank will be paid according to his contract simply for being K-State's Basketball Coach for the entire term of the contract, and simply for signing his name on the dotted line:

Year One: $760K in Salary, and a $462K signing bonus.  Total:  $1,222,000.00

Year Two:  Total: $1,200,000.00

Year Three:  $1,300,000.00 in Salary, and a $250K retention bonus (note: The $250k retention bonus could possibly slip into Year Four if K-State takes it's full allotment of days to pay the bonus after 4/30/2012).  Total $1,550,000.00  

Year Four:  Total: $1,400,000.00

Year Five:  Total: $1,500,000.00

Year Six:  $1,600,000.00 in salary and a $500,000.00 retention bonus.  Total: $2,100,000.00  

That works out to a 6 year average of $1.495 (give or take) million a year, and all Frank has to do to hit that average is.  1. Be K-State's head mens basketball coach.  2.  Complete the full term of his contract.    There are no performance bonuses of any kind in that average.    Meanwhile IMO Frank is painting a picture that he'll essentially have to hit them all out of the park to average $1.5 million a year.  IMO that's being a bit disingenuous.  

He'll have a total Fringe Benefit package that I'd guessestimate to have total dollar value of about $300K for the entire term of his contract.  He gets that simply for being K-State's coach.  

There was/is up to $600K total in non on court performance bonuses in play relating to graduation rates over the life of the contract.  

There was/is up to $450K worth of coach of the year bonuses over the life of the contract.  

In terms of on court performance bonuses, Frank gets 4% of his annual base salary simply for giving K-State basketball something resembling a pulse in making the NIT and going 9-7 in conference play.    (I suspect the conference win total piece will have to amended for the "new" conference structure).    He gets 8% of his base pay in bonuses for making the NCAA tourney.  (IMO that's not exactly having to go up to the plate and knock it out of the park, not in the era of 68 teams making the NCAA tourney, hit a nice double this coming year Frank and you'll get paid $104K in performance bonuses).   The range goes up 32% of his base salary and of course when he's up there, he is knocking them out of the park.

Another juicy little tidbit that our own Kellis R. has pointed out I believe.   Based on this years performance K-State (and Frank) are contractually obligated to commence good faith negotiations on a contract modification or extension between the periods of 4/1/2012 and 5/31/2012.  

Let's also not forget outside income, like the Frank Martin basketball camp.   It was K-State who created Head Coach Frank Martin, and Frank gets to stuff the net proceeds of his basketball camp in his own pocket.   Plus of course other outside income opportunities, enhanced by the fact that K-State created Head Coach Frank Martin.   Nobody is going to go to associate head coach Frank Martin's basketball camp, nobody is going to pay any significant dollars to hear K-State assistant head coach Frank Martin talk.   But then again, I've always been a K-State is bigger than any one person kind of guy, meanwhile tucks, tards and ites have always been of the mindset that certain individual people are actually bigger than K-State . . . when it was K-State who gave those individuals the opportunity to make millions of dollars and to excel and to potentially move on to bigger (or in the case of Miami lessor) things.  






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