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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #75 on: April 24, 2011, 09:09:31 AM »
Anyone who follows KSU basketball knows that Frank exaggerates every number he says by a unit or 2.  Money, attendance, age, etc.  Everything.  He absolutely knew his base was 1.2 and said 1.1.  That's just Frankspeak.

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« Reply #76 on: April 24, 2011, 01:31:55 PM »
The whole salary talk from Frank is just really bizarre.  Does he think Miami wouldn't do this kind of basic research before they made a final decision on whether or not to consider him?  Does he not understand his own contract?  Does he think the media doesn't have access to discredit his statements regarding his salary?

Why in the hell would he choose to lie about something that is so easily discredited?  :confused:

If you would have heard the interview or read _fan's summary of the interview you would know that
1. The salary answer had nothing to do with Miami.
2. Frank clearly doesn't believe he is lying, he isn't lying.

All of you who insist that Frank is lying about how much he makes are either poor, stupid, or insincere; likely all three.  No one in this country who works off a contract considers their salary what they make after receiving bonuses.  When you discuss your salary you talk about what you make before bonuses, or what you have made not what you are going to make.  That quote from GPC in wabash's post was long winded and likely from some hourly worker at the Dillon's meat counter.  No one rough ridin' counts bonuses as salary.  His base was 1.2 he was off by 100K,  how the hell does that make him a liar?

He's telling you mouthbreathers not to count his bonuses as his salary, after all they're bonuses, idiots.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
I can't believe you don't understand this.  The clearest definition of salary, and how most people think of it, is the amount you are contractually owed simply for showing up to work and doing your job, regardless of how well you do that job.  The "bonuses" written into this contract that we're talking about aren't the same as a typical performance bonus.  They're guaranteed for being the basketball coach at KSU.  In that way, they are no different than his "salary" except, as sys pointed out, they are paid in lump sum.

It's incredibly disingenuous for him to act upset that his salary wasn't reported exactly right and then misreport it himself.  Even if, as you pointed out, he only quoted it as $100k less than the actual number he believes it to be, how is that any more truthful than someone quoting as $1.5 million?  They're both incorrect and if he wants to claim that he's upset that the incorrect number is being floated, he'd better make damn sure he's quoting the EXACT number.  And if he's not "lying", then he just doesn't understand his own contract, which is worse IMO.

In saying that we're wrong because Frank understands his own contract better than us, you're making 2 very Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) assumptions.  A.) Frank is incapable of lying about his contract AND B.) the contract that is publicly available is incorrect.

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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #77 on: April 24, 2011, 01:54:10 PM »
In saying that we're wrong because Frank understands his own contract better than us, you're making 2 very Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) assumptions.  A.) Frank is incapable of lying about his contract AND B.) the contract that is publicly available is incorrect.

WTF are you talking about I saw Trim read it in my truck as we drove to Manhattan.
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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #78 on: April 24, 2011, 02:12:34 PM »
You need to some more editing, Gooch.

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« Reply #79 on: April 24, 2011, 06:10:12 PM »
You need to some more editing, Gooch.

Uh oh.
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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #80 on: April 24, 2011, 06:24:36 PM »

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« Reply #81 on: April 24, 2011, 06:54:49 PM »
No, I mean you left out a word when you were saying he needs to edit more.

Unless you did it on purpose, in which case,  :horrorsurprise: and  :cheers: !!!
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« Reply #82 on: April 24, 2011, 07:07:24 PM »
No, I mean you left out a word when you were saying he needs to edit more.

Unless you did it on purpose, in which case,  :horrorsurprise: and  :cheers: !!!

Yeah, me driving along is not caring that I left out a word.  My editing suggestion was about the substance of his post, not the grammar.

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« Reply #83 on: April 24, 2011, 07:22:05 PM »
No, I mean you left out a word when you were saying he needs to edit more.

Unless you did it on purpose, in which case,  :horrorsurprise: and  :cheers: !!!

Yeah, me driving along is not caring that I left out a word.  My editing suggestion was about the substance of his post, not the grammar.

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Add some more colors and you've got a PW post right there, my man.   :emawkid:
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« Reply #84 on: April 25, 2011, 12:32:51 AM »
His base was 1.2, he was off by 100K,  how the hell does that make him a liar?


your diatribe about the bonuses is pretty laughable too.  the retention bonuses are part of his overall compensation package, other than the schedule that martin receives payment, they are in no way different than his base pay.

Contractually the retention bonuses are well bonuses, I'm not arguing what he makes, I'm telling everyone who thinks his base pay is $1.5 million that they are wrong.  Contractually he won't reach that in base pay until '13-'14.  By then there is no shot that the contract will be the same.

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« Reply #85 on: April 25, 2011, 12:37:05 AM »
Anyone who follows KSU basketball knows that Frank exaggerates every number he says by a unit or 2.  Money, attendance, age, etc.  Everything.  He absolutely knew his base was 1.2 and said 1.1.  That's just Frankspeak.

You're absolutely correct he does do this.  In this case all it did was dilute his point, it was an unnecessary exaggeration since his point was that his base salary isn't $1.5 million.

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« Reply #86 on: April 25, 2011, 12:45:15 AM »
The whole salary talk from Frank is just really bizarre.  Does he think Miami wouldn't do this kind of basic research before they made a final decision on whether or not to consider him?  Does he not understand his own contract?  Does he think the media doesn't have access to discredit his statements regarding his salary?

Why in the hell would he choose to lie about something that is so easily discredited?  :confused:

If you would have heard the interview or read _fan's summary of the interview you would know that
1. The salary answer had nothing to do with Miami.
2. Frank clearly doesn't believe he is lying, he isn't lying.

All of you who insist that Frank is lying about how much he makes are either poor, stupid, or insincere; likely all three.  No one in this country who works off a contract considers their salary what they make after receiving bonuses.  When you discuss your salary you talk about what you make before bonuses, or what you have made not what you are going to make.  That quote from GPC in wabash's post was long winded and likely from some hourly worker at the Dillon's meat counter.  No one rough ridin' counts bonuses as salary.  His base was 1.2 he was off by 100K,  how the hell does that make him a liar?

He's telling you mouthbreathers not to count his bonuses as his salary, after all they're bonuses, idiots.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

In saying that we're wrong because Frank understands his own contract better than us, you're making 2 very Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) assumptions.

Motherfucka when in the hell did I say that?  Why do you care so much about what the man tells who about how much money he makes?  I don't give a flying eff if he's lying, stupid, or both, just win baby.

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Re: martin to be on with bitb at
« Reply #87 on: April 25, 2011, 12:47:04 AM »
Anyone who follows KSU basketball knows that Frank exaggerates every number he says by a unit or 2.  Money, attendance, age, etc.  Everything.  He absolutely knew his base was 1.2 and said 1.1.  That's just Frankspeak.

You're absolutely correct he does do this.  In this case all it did was dilute his point, it was an unnecessary exaggeration since his point was that his base salary isn't $1.5 million.

It diluted his point if his point had actually been about the integrity of publicly known salary figures.  If his point was trying to explain away why he hadn't even been contacted for a seemingly perfect fit job to a non-local guy who might not know better, he should've exaggerated it even more.

I'm not mad at him. 

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« Reply #88 on: April 25, 2011, 12:53:12 AM »
if he gets some kind of retention bonus at the end of every year then yeah, that's his salary. a yearly retention bonus should be considered salary by anyone who receives one. don't know if that's how franks is and don't care in the scheme of things. but a yearly retention bonus isn't really a "bonus". it's salary.

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« Reply #89 on: April 25, 2011, 07:12:49 AM »
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« Reply #91 on: April 25, 2011, 07:17:22 AM »
K-State fans who got really ticked at Frank (a little annoyed I can understand) during this whole Miami ordeal seem pretty hilarious to me. This simply has little bearing to me on my overall perception of Frank. If he continues to win games and because of his rockstar status get K-State's brand out there over and over I can live with it. I really don't care if he played the contract negotiation/flirt with another program game for one summer, even if some of it was poorly done on his part. If he doesn't continue to win, none of this matters anyway.

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« Reply #93 on: April 25, 2011, 08:13:20 AM »
K-State fans who got really ticked at Frank (a little annoyed I can understand) during this whole Miami ordeal seem pretty hilarious to me. This simply has little bearing to me on my overall perception of Frank. If he continues to win games and because of his rockstar status get K-State's brand out there over and over I can live with it. I really don't care if he played the contract negotiation/flirt with another program game for one summer, even if some of it was poorly done on his part. If he doesn't continue to win, none of this matters anyway.

stupid white ksu fans (not being mean, love ksu fans, it's just true, listen to me here, i am better than you here) simply do not understand how a minority like frank martin thinks.

I do. Thus, he listens and talks to people like me, and doesn't to you guys.

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« Reply #94 on: April 25, 2011, 10:45:13 AM »
K-State fans who got really ticked at Frank (a little annoyed I can understand) during this whole Miami ordeal seem pretty hilarious to me. This simply has little bearing to me on my overall perception of Frank. If he continues to win games and because of his rockstar status get K-State's brand out there over and over I can live with it. I really don't care if he played the contract negotiation/flirt with another program game for one summer, even if some of it was poorly done on his part. If he doesn't continue to win, none of this matters anyway.

stupid white ksu fans (not being mean, love ksu fans, it's just true, listen to me here, i am better than you here) simply do not understand how a minority like frank martin thinks.

I do. Thus, he listens and talks to people like me, and doesn't to you guys.

let's, go cats!

Agreed.  It's great to know how Frank feels.

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« Reply #95 on: April 25, 2011, 03:20:08 PM »
The whole salary talk from Frank is just really bizarre.  Does he think Miami wouldn't do this kind of basic research before they made a final decision on whether or not to consider him?  Does he not understand his own contract?  Does he think the media doesn't have access to discredit his statements regarding his salary?

Why in the hell would he choose to lie about something that is so easily discredited?  :confused:

If you would have heard the interview or read _fan's summary of the interview you would know that
1. The salary answer had nothing to do with Miami.
2. Frank clearly doesn't believe he is lying, he isn't lying.

All of you who insist that Frank is lying about how much he makes are either poor, stupid, or insincere; likely all three.  No one in this country who works off a contract considers their salary what they make after receiving bonuses.  When you discuss your salary you talk about what you make before bonuses, or what you have made not what you are going to make.  That quote from GPC in wabash's post was long winded and likely from some hourly worker at the Dillon's meat counter.  No one effing counts bonuses as salary.  His base was 1.2 he was off by 100K,  how the hell does that make him a liar?

He's telling you mouthbreathers not to count his bonuses as his salary, after all they're bonuses, idiots.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

MIR nails it.  Frank just on 610 saying he doesn't count the bonuses.

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« Reply #96 on: April 25, 2011, 03:36:14 PM »
The whole salary talk from Frank is just really bizarre.  Does he think Miami wouldn't do this kind of basic research before they made a final decision on whether or not to consider him?  Does he not understand his own contract?  Does he think the media doesn't have access to discredit his statements regarding his salary?

Why in the hell would he choose to lie about something that is so easily discredited?  :confused:

If you would have heard the interview or read _fan's summary of the interview you would know that
1. The salary answer had nothing to do with Miami.
2. Frank clearly doesn't believe he is lying, he isn't lying.

All of you who insist that Frank is lying about how much he makes are either poor, stupid, or insincere; likely all three.  No one in this country who works off a contract considers their salary what they make after receiving bonuses.  When you discuss your salary you talk about what you make before bonuses, or what you have made not what you are going to make.  That quote from GPC in wabash's post was long winded and likely from some hourly worker at the Dillon's meat counter.  No one effing counts bonuses as salary.  His base was 1.2 he was off by 100K,  how the hell does that make him a liar?

He's telling you mouthbreathers not to count his bonuses as his salary, after all they're bonuses, idiots.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 

MIR nails it.  Frank just on 610 saying he doesn't count the bonuses.

LOL.  He is still going on the radio to talk about this.

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« Reply #97 on: April 25, 2011, 03:40:55 PM »
He went on a tangent beginning with the phrase, 'Life's about tough choices, Nick..."

I promptly turned it off.

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« Reply #98 on: April 25, 2011, 03:53:01 PM »
Love Frank.  So proud, so obstinate, so such an amazing dumbass at times.  

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« Reply #99 on: April 25, 2011, 04:00:27 PM »
LOL . . . doesn't count the bonuses he gets just for signing a document and being the coach. 

Fantastic Frank.