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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: kstater on March 06, 2011, 03:47:49 PM
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Be the first to know, as the MBB All-Big 12 Awards are announced right here beginning at 4 PM. - http://bit.ly/i5rfVV #Big12
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All-Big 12 MBB Defensive Player of the Year is UT's Dogus Balbay - http://bit.ly/i5rfVV #Big12
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Defensive Player of the Year: Dogus Balbay, Texas, G, Sr., 6-1, 175, Istanbul, Turkey/Brewster Academy [N.H.]
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Defensive Player of the Year: Dogus Balbay, Texas, G, Sr., 6-1, 175, Istanbul, Turkey/Brewster Academy [N.H.]
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Defensive Player of the Year: Dogus Balbay, Texas, G, Sr., 6-1, 175, Istanbul, Turkey/Brewster Academy [N.H.]
should have been Jake
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Defensive Player of the Year: Dogus Balbay, Texas, G, Sr., 6-1, 175, Istanbul, Turkey/Brewster Academy [N.H.]
should have been Jake
No
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said they would tweet updates what is their twitter handle?
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said they would tweet updates what is their twitter handle?
Big12Conference
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said they would tweet updates what is their twitter handle?
@Big12Conference
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Defensive Player of the Year: Dogus Balbay, Texas, G, Sr., 6-1, 175, Istanbul, Turkey/Brewster Academy [N.H.]
should have been Jake
No
seriously? why would a kstater post something like this? f*ck you
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Newcomer of the Year: Ricardo Ratliffe, Missouri, F, Jr., 6-8, 240, Hampton, Va./Kecoughtan/Central Florida CC
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Newcomer of the Year: Ricardo Ratliffe, Missouri, F, Jr., 6-8, 240, Hampton, Va./Kecoughtan/Central Florida CC
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Defensive Player of the Year: Dogus Balbay, Texas, G, Sr., 6-1, 175, Istanbul, Turkey/Brewster Academy [N.H.]
should have been Jake
No
jake wins every award ever
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Newcomer of the Year: Ricardo Ratliffe, Missouri, F, Jr., 6-8, 240, Hampton, Va./Kecoughtan/Central Florida CC
edit: too slow
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Coach of the Year: Bill "Massa" Self, Kansas [Career: 438-150, 18th season; At KU: 231-45, 8th season]
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nevermind, coaches.
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Coach of the Year: Bill "Massa" Self, Kansas [Career: 438-150, 18th season; At KU: 231-45, 8th season]
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I refuse to acknowledge this.
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Sixth Man Award: Quincy Acy, Baylor, F, Jr., 6-7, 225, Mesquite, Texas/Horn
Levi Knutson, Colorado, G, Sr., 6-4, 200, Littleton, Colo./Arapahoe
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Sixth Man Award: Quincy Acy, Baylor, F, Jr., 6-7, 225, Mesquite, Texas/Horn
Levi Knutson, Colorado, G, Sr., 6-4, 200, Littleton, Colo./Arapahoe
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Morris will be the B12POY. This is pointless. I just want Rodney to get some love.
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BIG 12 ALL-ROOKIE TEAM
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Perry Jones III, Baylor** F/C 6-11 235 Fr. Duncanville, Texas/Duncanville
Ricardo Ratliffe, Missouri F 6-8 240 Jr. Hampton, Va./Kecoughtan/Central Florida CC
Jéan-Paul Olukemi, Oklahoma State F 6-5 215 So. LaHabra, Calif./Stoneridge Prep/Vincennes University
Cory Joseph, Texas G 6-3 185 Fr. Toronto, Ontario/Findlay Prep [Nev.]
Tristan Thompson, Texas** F 6-8 225 Fr. Brampton, Ontario/Findlay Prep [Nev.]
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BIG 12 ALL-ROOKIE TEAM
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Perry Jones III, Baylor** F/C 6-11 235 Fr. Duncanville, Texas/Duncanville
Ricardo Ratliffe, Missouri F 6-8 240 Jr. Hampton, Va./Kecoughtan/Central Florida CC
Jéan-Paul Olukemi, Oklahoma State F 6-5 215 So. LaHabra, Calif./Stoneridge Prep/Vincennes University
Cory Joseph, Texas G 6-3 185 Fr. Toronto, Ontario/Findlay Prep [Nev.]
Tristan Thompson, Texas** F 6-8 225 Fr. Brampton, Ontario/Findlay Prep [Nev.]
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BIG 12 ALL-ROOKIE TEAM
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Perry Jones III, Baylor** F/C 6-11 235 Fr. Duncanville, Texas/Duncanville
Ricardo Ratliffe, Missouri F 6-8 240 Jr. Hampton, Va./Kecoughtan/Central Florida CC
Jéan-Paul Olukemi, Oklahoma State F 6-5 215 So. LaHabra, Calif./Stoneridge Prep/Vincennes University
Cory Joseph, Texas G 6-3 185 Fr. Toronto, Ontario/Findlay Prep [Nev.]
Tristan Thompson, Texas** F 6-8 225 Fr. Brampton, Ontario/Findlay Prep [Nev.]
Massa fist pumping his ass off about keeping selby off that team
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BIG 12 ALL-ROOKIE TEAM
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Perry Jones III, Baylor** F/C 6-11 235 Fr. Duncanville, Texas/Duncanville
Ricardo Ratliffe, Missouri F 6-8 240 Jr. Hampton, Va./Kecoughtan/Central Florida CC
Jéan-Paul Olukemi, Oklahoma State F 6-5 215 So. LaHabra, Calif./Stoneridge Prep/Vincennes University
Cory Joseph, Texas G 6-3 185 Fr. Toronto, Ontario/Findlay Prep [Nev.]
Tristan Thompson, Texas** F 6-8 225 Fr. Brampton, Ontario/Findlay Prep [Nev.]
There is something wrong here. Where is Josh Selby's name?
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from #1 to absolutely nothing.
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from #1 to absolutely nothing.
This really eats at Beems. He'll never let you know it though, and that's what makes him so great. :D
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Nevermind it was newcomers, not Frosh.
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Freshman of the Year: Tristan Thompson, Texas, F, Fr., 6-8, 225, Brampton, Ontario/Findlay Prep [Nev.]
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how long are these fucks trying to drag this thing out.
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how long are these effs trying to drag this thing out.
I was thinking the same thing. Couldn't they just put out one release?
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how long are these fucks trying to drag this thing out.
An hour and 20 minutes.
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One would assume that you have to play more than 19 minutes a game to be considered defensive player of the year. Thompson is a better choice than Balbay on his own team.
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BIG 12 ALL-DEFENSIVE TEAM
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Brady Morningstar, Kansas G 6-4 185 Sr. Lawrence, Kan./Free State/New Hampton Prep [N.H.]
Jacob Pullen, Kansas State G 6-0 200 Sr. Maywood, Ill./Proviso East
Laurence Bowers, Missouri F 6-8 210 Jr. Memphis, Tenn./St. George’s
Dogus Balbay, Texas G 6-1 175 Sr. Istanbul, Turkey/Brewster Academy [N.H.]
Tristan Thompson, Texas F 6-8 225 Fr. Brampto
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BIG 12 ALL-DEFENSIVE TEAM
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Brady Morningstar, Kansas G 6-4 185 Sr. Lawrence, Kan./Free State/New Hampton Prep [N.H.]
Jacob Pullen, Kansas State G 6-0 200 Sr. Maywood, Ill./Proviso East
Laurence Bowers, Missouri F 6-8 210 Jr. Memphis, Tenn./St. George’s
Dogus Balbay, Texas G 6-1 175 Sr. Istanbul, Turkey/Brewster Academy [N.H.]
Tristan Thompson, Texas F 6-8 225 Fr. Brampton, Ontario/Findlay Prep [Nev.]
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FTB :lynchmob:
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BIG 12 ALL-ROOKIE TEAM
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Perry Jones III, Baylor** F/C 6-11 235 Fr. Duncanville, Texas/Duncanville
Ricardo Ratliffe, Missouri F 6-8 240 Jr. Hampton, Va./Kecoughtan/Central Florida CC
Jéan-Paul Olukemi, Oklahoma State F 6-5 215 So. LaHabra, Calif./Stoneridge Prep/Vincennes University
Cory Joseph, Texas G 6-3 185 Fr. Toronto, Ontario/Findlay Prep [Nev.]
Tristan Thompson, Texas** F 6-8 225 Fr. Brampton, Ontario/Findlay Prep [Nev.] ** - Unanimous Selection
more fine work by the massa. keeping them on the plantation by any means necessary.
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Good to see Brady Hackenstar on that team.
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excited to see who wins this years Most Resilient Despite of Losing Your Entire family and Blowing Out Your Knee Award
TROB has to be a lock
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poy - mcelbows :dubious:
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Gave it to the thug
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'grats beems
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congrats. he earned it.
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Grats to Beems and McThug.
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I'm far more upset about this than I thought I would be.
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what a travesty... how do you think this reflects on the conference?
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lol at those who think these awards count for anything.
not sure when the awards that DO count are released, but i'm not worried about our q@z dominating.
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bullshit
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What a travesty... How do you think this reflects on the conference?
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meh, can't get too upset over it.
I'm waiting for the goEMAW awards tho.
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chillax c@ bros. patience
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all the pressure's on mcThug now. none on pullen. we will prevail.
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what a travesty... how do you think this reflects on the conference?
About as well as conference armageddon did last summer.
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Marcus got POY
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Grats. Hopefully he will play like one in the tourney and you'll be able to make it past the 2nd round.
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ALL-BIG 12 FIRST TEAM
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
LaceDarius Dunn, Baylor G 6-4 200 Sr. Monroe, La./Excelsior Christian School
Alec Burks, Colorado** G 6-6 195 So. Grandview, Mo./Grandview
Marcus Morris, Kansas F 6-9 235 Jr. Philadelphia, Pa./Prep Charter/APEX Academy [N.J.]
Jacob Pullen, Kansas State** G 6-0 200 Sr. Maywood, Ill./Proviso East
Marcus Denmon, Missouri G 6-3 185 Jr. Kansas City, Mo./Hogan Prep
Jordan Hamilton, Texas G/F 6-7 220 So. Compton, Calif./Dominguez
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ALL-BIG 12 SECOND TEAM
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Perry Jones III, Baylor F/C 6-11 235 Fr. Duncanville, Texas/Duncanville
Diante Garrett, Iowa State G 6-4 190 Sr. Milwaukee, Wis./Vincent
Markieff Morris, Kansas F 6-10 252 Jr. Philadelphia, Pa./Prep Charter/APEX Academy [N.J.]
Tristan Thompson, Texas F 6-8 225 Fr. Brampton, Ontario/Findlay Prep [Nev.]
Khris Middleton, Texas A&M F 6-7 215 So. North Charleston, S.C./Porter-Gaud
ALL-BIG 12 THIRD TEAM
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
Cory Higgins, Colorado G 6-5 180 Sr. Danville, Calif./Monte Vista/ The Pendleton School [Fla.]
Rodney McGruder, Kansas State G 6-4 205 So. Washington, D.C./Arlington Country Day [Fla.]
Lance Jeter, Nebraska G 6-3 222 Sr. Beaver Falls, Pa./Beaver Falls/Cincinnati/Polk CC [Fla.]
Marshall Moses, Oklahoma State F 6-7 255 Sr. Aiken, S.C./The Patterson School [N.C.]
Gary Johnson, Texas F 6-6 238 Sr. Houston, Texas/Aldine
David Loubeau, Texas A&M F 6-8 230 Jr. Miami, Fla./Westlake Prep
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Marcus wasn't an unanimous selection for 1st team.
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ALL-BIG 12 FIRST TEAM
Name Pos. Ht. Wt. Cl. Hometown/Previous School(s)
LaceDarius Dunn, Baylor G 6-4 200 Sr. Monroe, La./Excelsior Christian School
Alec Burks, Colorado** G 6-6 195 So. Grandview, Mo./Grandview
Marcus Morris, Kansas F 6-9 235 Jr. Philadelphia, Pa./Prep Charter/APEX Academy [N.J.]
Jacob Pullen, Kansas State** G 6-0 200 Sr. Maywood, Ill./Proviso East
Marcus Denmon, Missouri G 6-3 185 Jr. Kansas City, Mo./Hogan Prep
Jordan Hamilton, Texas G/F 6-7 220 So. Compton, Calif./Dominguez
UNANIMOUS!!
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How is a POY not a unanimous 1st team? :confused: :confused:
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This'll keep Jake hungry. Time to eat some food off the plate.
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These are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) the Defensive Player of the year didn't make first or second team?
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How is a POY not a unanimous 1st team? :confused: :confused:
wow. big 12 is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). congrats to rod for 3rd team. :emawkid:
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Dunn on the first team is kind of a joke.
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How is a POY not a unanimous 1st team? :confused: :confused:
lol
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Dunn on the first team is kind of a joke.
As is Higgins on the Third team, imo.
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These are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) the Defensive Player of the year didn't make first or second team?
Dude plays 19 minutes per game. It is a joke that he won the award.
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need better selection than just a vote by coaches. seriously balbay is not on a team or honorable mention but it defensive poy? poy is not unanimous 1st team :ck: no one from corn is on the defensive team? :ck: :facepalm:
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Selby has regressed under Self.
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Selby has regressed under Self.
Dude looks like he doesn't even want to be there half the time. His play would lead you to think he will come back, but his demeanor says otherwise, like he is just waiting to get the hell out of there.
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Selby has regressed under Self.
Water is wet.
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Selby has regressed under Self.
would list all the players in this category, but too lazy....... i just know its a crap load
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Not that surprising when you think about the likely breakdown of votes by the coaches:
For the Flying Elbow:
* Frank
* Travis Ford. Elbows had a better game than Jake, KU won & apparently the coaches don't get along.
* Tad Boyle. Last meeting with CU (most recent memory), Jake had 12 points on 4-12 and that costly TO at the end of the game. KU guy, too.
* Mike Anderson. Morris & Co. just finished brutalizing Mizzou inside, and there's enmity between the coaches again here.
* Turd. K-State lost even though Jake had better game than Elbows, and he's a KU guy.
* Hoiberg. Elbows went for 33 against them in 1st game.
For Pullen:
* Self.
* Barnes.
* Capel ?
Who knows on Doc, Knight, and Drew. And that's all assuming nobody voted for Burks, which could have happened.
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So which twin was shooting people with a bb gun? Who over the age of 10 owns a BB gun?
Which twin got caught driving around with 15 yr old girls at 2am?
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I have just be reassured that Burks or Pullen should have won Big 12 POTY...
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How is a POY not a unanimous 1st team? :confused: :confused:
Beems?
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meh
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I have just be reassured that Burks or Pullen should have won Big 12 POTY...
the only unanimous first teamers...
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I have just be reassured that Burks or Pullen should have won Big 12 POTY...
Should have been Burks.
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Can't help but notice how much more Jake weighs compared to everyone else for his height. Must be hitting the weights a lot harder? :dunno: :dunno:
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Can't help but notice how much more Jake weighs compared to everyone else for his height. Must be hitting the weights a lot harder? :dunno: :dunno:
At least he's not like Sherron Collins.
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I'm sensing some butt hurt in this thread.
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I'm sensing some butt hurt in this thread.
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hey congrats all you squawks in this thread you just made beems win an argument on the internet
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You guys are awfully bitter. Keep digging for reasons. Marcus deserved it. Pullen didn't. End of story.
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Tardville invasion . . . lead by the Tardville Talking Point himself.
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You guys are awfully bitter. Keep digging for reasons. Marcus deserved it. Pullen didn't. End of story.
yeah...we'll just have to kick your ass in KC again.
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You guys are awfully bitter. Keep digging for reasons. Marcus deserved it. Pullen didn't. End of story.
yeah...we'll just have to kick your ass in KC again.
When is the last time KU lost to KSU in KC? STFU
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You guys are awfully bitter. Keep digging for reasons. Marcus deserved it. Pullen didn't. End of story.
yeah...we'll just have to kick your ass in KC again.
When is the last time KU lost to KSU in KC? STFU
For that matter, when even was the last time KSU beat KU?
Oh....... wait.
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weird thread
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You guys are awfully bitter. Keep digging for reasons. Marcus deserved it. Pullen didn't. End of story.
yeah...we'll just have to kick your ass in KC again.
When is the last time KU lost to KSU in KC? STFU
For that matter, when even was the last time KSU beat KU?
Oh....... wait.
About one month ago. But that still didn't answer my question.
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I'm pretty happy with the awards from a KSU perspective. I was hoping Rod would make 2nd team, but the guys on the second team are all pretty great players.
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You guys are awfully bitter. Keep digging for reasons. Marcus deserved it. Pullen didn't. End of story.
You sound bitter about 113-47 or whatever that beatdown was.
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I'm pretty happy with the awards from a KSU perspective. I was hoping Rod would make 2nd team, but the guys on the second team are all pretty great players.
I thought McGruder deserved 2nd team. He has arguably been the wildcats most consistent player all year. I think he is better than Middleton.
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You guys are awfully bitter. Keep digging for reasons. Marcus deserved it. Pullen didn't. End of story.
so if tomorrow there were an open draft for big 12 players and you could pick first, you'd take morris on your team over pullen?
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You guys are awfully bitter. Keep digging for reasons. Marcus deserved it. Pullen didn't. End of story.
so if tomorrow there were an open draft for big 12 players and you could pick first, you'd take morris on your team over pullen?
YEP
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I'd like to see ballots of guys that didn't vote for Marcus on first team. I'm curious who they put in over him. Or at least a point system much like the polls to see how that panned out.
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You guys are awfully bitter. Keep digging for reasons. Marcus deserved it. Pullen didn't. End of story.
so if tomorrow there were an open draft for big 12 players and you could pick first, you'd take morris on your team over pullen?
What kind of question is this? He is a KU homer. Of course he is going to pick Marcus.
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You guys are awfully bitter. Keep digging for reasons. Marcus deserved it. Pullen didn't. End of story.
so if tomorrow there were an open draft for big 12 players and you could pick first, you'd take morris on your team over pullen?
Easy choice. Morris is a junior. Jake wouldn't be eligible to play next year.
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You guys are awfully bitter. Keep digging for reasons. Marcus deserved it. Pullen didn't. End of story.
so if tomorrow there were an open draft for big 12 players and you could pick first, you'd take morris on your team over pullen?
Easy choice. Morris is a junior. Jake wouldn't be eligible to play next year.
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You guys are awfully bitter. Keep digging for reasons. Marcus deserved it. Pullen didn't. End of story.
so if tomorrow there were an open draft for big 12 players and you could pick first, you'd take morris on your team over pullen?
Easy choice. Morris is a junior. Jake wouldn't be eligible to play next year.
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But really, Marcus would just cry and sniffle the whole time because his brother wasn't there. It's the same reason they'll suck in the NBA. Well, that and playing under Self.
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bobfescoe Bob Fescoe
I think MK deserved player of the year over MC. I think they got the votes wrong on this one..
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bobfescoe Bob Fescoe
I think MK deserved player of the year over MC. I think they got the votes wrong on this one..
LOL, he doesn't even try anymore.
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Obviously voters overlooked his huge character issues.
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bobfescoe Bob Fescoe
I think MK deserved player of the year over MC. I think they got the votes wrong on this one..
LOL, he doesn't even try anymore.
MK had at least twice the # of dbl-dbl right?
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so impressed with the bbs'ing iq on this board. :cheers:
I was browsing another board :powerespect: that apparently has no "reply" option on its threads, or else the posters haven't figured out how to use it ... or there may be some other explanation for the bazillions of "Self COY," "Balbay DPOY," "Morris POY" one-post threads :bang:
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How does Massa Seff get COY over Tad-pole, Turd, & Frank? All 3 are more deserving; although no one can understimate how many hours Seff stayed up late patrolling the mean streets of Larrytown making sure his players weren't driving around with 15 yr olds and mounds of coke on their consoles instead of sleeping in their wooden beds on the plantation. Maybe they should clarify if the award includes off the court stuff or strictly in-game? :ck:
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How does Massa Seff get COY over Tad-pole, Turd, & Frank? All 3 are more deserving; although no one can understimate how many hours Seff stayed up late patrolling the mean streets of Larrytown making sure his players weren't driving around with 15 yr olds and mounds of coke on their consoles instead of sleeping in their wooden beds on the plantation. Maybe they should clarify if the award includes off the court stuff or strictly in-game? :ck:
Pretty tough to hit all of the bullet points in one succinct post, but you did it.
Well done. :emawkid:
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Self is COY. Took a team loaded with cheap players, character issues and outright criminals and still beat the lower 3/4 of the conf.
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Self is COY. Took a team loaded with cheap players, character issues and outright criminals and still beat the lower 3/4 of the conf.
Protecting Brady from not wrapping his car around a light pole is a 24/7 job. I bet that man hasn't slept more than two hours a night in the past couple of years with those drunks, woman beaters, and outright criminals threatening to stop his streak.
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Turd, much as I hate the little crybaby bitch should have been COY.
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Turd, much as I hate the little crybaby bitch should have been COY.
Either him or Boyle.
For a first year coach, what Boyle did was damn near a miracle, even with Burks.
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Self is COY. Took a team loaded with cheap players, character issues and outright criminals and still beat the lower 3/4 of the conf.
Protecting Brady from not wrapping his car around a light pole is a 24/7 job. I bet that man hasn't slept more than two hours a night in the past couple of years with those drunks, woman beaters, and outright criminals threatening to stop his streak.
One of the most corrupt athletic departments in the country was under federal investigation and the AD was lining his pockets on the way out the door. The football program was an absolute disaster and had to cancel a major improvement project because they were broke. The school down the highway was destroying them in every sport but men's basketball...which was the only hope the moribund ku athletic program had. That's a lot of pressure. He earned it.
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Butt hurt level: high (and rising)
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Butt hurt level: high (and rising)
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Usage of the term "butt hurt" level: even higher
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Butt hurt level: high (and rising)
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Usage of the term "butt hurt" level: even higher
Level of copying and unoriginal "u mad" pictures: off the charts
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Turd, much as I hate the little crybaby bitch should have been COY.
Either him or Boyle.
For a first year coach, what Boyle did was damn near a miracle, even with Burks.
not really.
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Turd, much as I hate the little crybaby bitch should have been COY.
Either him or Boyle.
For a first year coach, what Boyle did was damn near a miracle, even with Burks.
not really.
Overall victories? No.
Top 50 victories? Yes.
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Turd, much as I hate the little crybaby bitch should have been COY.
Either him or Boyle.
For a first year coach, what Boyle did was damn near a miracle, even with Burks.
Absolutely ridiculous. Both of you should be ashamed, unless you dudes are high, in that case grats. CU literally did nothing Nebraska didn't outside of winning in Manhattan. A&M did not distinguish itself from KSU whatsoever. There is very little difference between A&M, CU, NU, and Mizzou and you guys think one if those slobs are worthy of an award? I had a slight hope that the coaches would eff that award up like they did the POY, and give it to Frank. They did the right thing, Frank gets credit for making a much needed adjustment, but it shouldn't be forgotten that some of the turmoil in the slow start was his fault.
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Butt hurt level: high (and rising)
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Usage of the term "butt hurt" level: even higher
Level of copying and unoriginal "u mad" pictures: off the charts
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Turd, much as I hate the little crybaby bitch should have been COY.
Either him or Boyle.
For a first year coach, what Boyle did was damn near a miracle, even with Burks.
Absolutely ridiculous. Both of you should be ashamed, unless you dudes are high, in that case grats. CU literally did nothing Nebraska didn't outside of winning in Manhattan. A&M did not distinguish itself from KSU whatsoever. There is very little difference between A&M, CU, NU, and Mizzou and you guys think one if those slobs are worthy of an award? I had a slight hope that the coaches would eff that award up like they did the POY, and give it to Frank. They did the right thing, Frank gets credit for making a much needed adjustment, but it shouldn't be forgotten that some of the turmoil in the slow start was his fault.
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Turgeon won ten games in this league with...what? Kris Middleton? David Loubeau? He literally pulled a rabbit out of his hat and found some way to win ten games with a team that has less overall talent than Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Texas, and Baylor (at a minimum).
Boyle, a first year coach at CU, had the first winning record at Colorado since Ricardo Patton was there, had five top 50 wins, and has them squarely on the bubble for their first NCAA tournament since 2003.
I'm not going to say Self has no case for the award, but seriously...the eight wins Boyle got and the ten wins Turgeon got were much more impressive than the fourteen Self did when you look at what all three of them had to work with.
You can disagree, but to say it's 'absolutely ridiculous unless we're high' is kind of a stretch as well, don't you think?
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Big 12 DVD Makers of the Year: Kansas State
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Big 12 DVD Makers of the Year: Kansas State
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Not that surprising when you think about the likely breakdown of votes by the coaches:
For the Flying Elbow:
* Frank
* Travis Ford. Elbows had a better game than Jake, KU won & apparently the coaches don't get along.
* Tad Boyle. Last meeting with CU (most recent memory), Jake had 12 points on 4-12 and that costly TO at the end of the game. KU guy, too.
* Mike Anderson. Morris & Co. just finished brutalizing Mizzou inside, and there's enmity between the coaches again here.
* Turd. K-State lost even though Jake had better game than Elbows, and he's a KU guy.
* Hoiberg. Elbows went for 33 against them in 1st game.
For Pullen:
* Self.
* Barnes.
* Capel ?
Who knows on Doc, Knight, and Drew. And that's all assuming nobody voted for Burks, which could have happened.
I'd have voted for Burks... he's obviously the best player in the league yet on the poorest team of the bunch. Thuggish is the worst player of the bunch and on the best team. Jake is the most valuable player to his team out of the bunch.
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I agree that Turgeon did a nice job, but the "aTm has no talent" talking point is over done. Middleton, Loubeau, Harris, and Holmes were all rated Top 100 HS players by various recruiting sources. Another FR that didn't play much was also Top 100. Granted, none of these guys were Top 50, but still some talented guys. Its not like Turgeon took Doc-like talent and pulled off a miracle.
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Turd, much as I hate the little crybaby bitch should have been COY.
Either him or Boyle.
For a first year coach, what Boyle did was damn near a miracle, even with Burks.
Absolutely ridiculous. Both of you should be ashamed, unless you dudes are high, in that case grats. CU literally did nothing Nebraska didn't outside of winning in Manhattan. A&M did not distinguish itself from KSU whatsoever. There is very little difference between A&M, CU, NU, and Mizzou and you guys think one if those slobs are worthy of an award? I had a slight hope that the coaches would eff that award up like they did the POY, and give it to Frank. They did the right thing, Frank gets credit for making a much needed adjustment, but it shouldn't be forgotten that some of the turmoil in the slow start was his fault.
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Turgeon won ten games in this league with...what? Kris Middleton? David Loubeau? He literally pulled a rabbit out of his hat and found some way to win ten games with a team that has less overall talent than Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Texas, and Baylor (at a minimum).
Boyle, a first year coach at CU, had the first winning record at Colorado since Ricardo Patton was there, had five top 50 wins, and has them squarely on the bubble for their first NCAA tournament since 2003.
I'm not going to say Self has no case for the award, but seriously...the eight wins Boyle got and the ten wins Turgeon got were much more impressive than the fourteen Self did when you look at what all three of them had to work with.
You can disagree, but to say it's 'absolutely ridiculous unless we're high' is kind of a stretch as well, don't you think?
No it's absolutely ridiculous. First of all, A&M plays in the south they got 6 games against Tech, Oklahoma, & OSU. Like I said they are no different than the other teams I listed. Secondly, you listed those players but if you look at the recruit rankings you could make a claim that Turgeon's teams have underachieved, despite having their easy as hell conference schedule. Even if you don't want to say his teams have underachieved, they certainly haven't been exceptional by any standard, not award worthy.
I couldn't give half of a damn about Colorado's basketball history and no one should when it comes to a coach of the year award. Tad Boyle has two pros & finished one game better than Nebraska. Lets not act like Boyle drug them out of some abyss, he's there because the previous coach got a better job. Colorado is a whole 2 games better.
The reasons you list for Turgeon & Boyle fit better for Doc.
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I agree that Turgeon did a nice job, but the "aTm has no talent" talking point is over done. Middleton, Loubeau, Harris, and Holmes were all rated Top 100 HS players by various recruiting sources. Another FR that didn't play much was also Top 100. Granted, none of these guys were Top 50, but still some talented guys. Its not like Turgeon took Doc-like talent and pulled off a miracle.
I'm not arguing that they don't have talent; half of the teams (if not more) in this league recruit at that level. KU, Texas, Baylor, OSU, Missouri, KSU, A&M, and Oklahoma have all recruited at a high level in the past few years.
But, to me, I think that Turgeon did more with what he had this year. He didn't have a Pullen to score 20 points a game. He didn't have the home court advantage that Mizzou has. He most certainly didn't have the talent that Baylor has. But, somehow, he managed to get his team to a third place finish against all of those teams pointed out with similar talent/footing.
Bill Self has outstanding talent and won the conference. Rick Barnes has outstanding talent and took second. Turgeon has good talent and took third. KSU has good talent and took fourth. Missouri has good talent and took sixth. You look at A&M and Colorado in their respective seeds, and you think, "Really? Huh."
The fact that they stand out, to me, means more than Bill Self winning with his parade of four and five star players. But, again, that's just me.
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First of all, A&M plays in the south they got 6 games against Tech, Oklahoma, & OSU. Like I said they are no different than the other teams I listed. Secondly, you listed those players but if you look at the recruit rankings you could make a claim that Turgeon's teams have underachieved, despite having their easy as hell conference schedule.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=11521.msg249669#msg249669
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I agree that Turgeon did a nice job, but the "aTm has no talent" talking point is over done. Middleton, Loubeau, Harris, and Holmes were all rated Top 100 HS players by various recruiting sources. Another FR that didn't play much was also Top 100. Granted, none of these guys were Top 50, but still some talented guys. Its not like Turgeon took Doc-like talent and pulled off a miracle.
I'm not arguing that they don't have talent; half of the teams (if not more) in this league recruit at that level. KU, Texas, Baylor, OSU, Missouri, KSU, A&M, and Oklahoma have all recruited at a high level in the past few years.
But, to me, I think that Turgeon did more with what he had this year. He didn't have a Pullen to score 20 points a game. He didn't have the home court advantage that Mizzou has. He most certainly didn't have the talent that Baylor has. But, somehow, he managed to get his team to a third place finish against all of those teams pointed out with similar talent/footing.
Bill Self has outstanding talent and won the conference. Rick Barnes has outstanding talent and took second. Turgeon has good talent and took third. KSU has good talent and took fourth. Missouri has good talent and took sixth. You look at A&M and Colorado in their respective seeds, and you think, "Really? Huh."
The fact that they stand out, to me, means more than Bill Self winning with his parade of four and five star players. But, again, that's just me.
You're being surprisingly obtuse about this. Do you watch Big 12 basketball? A&M has every bit the home court advantage that Mizzou has, actually probably better. The difference is Mizzou is a better team. You are using their record as a base for your argument, ignoring the fact that their 3rd place finish was schedule driven.
Like I said your argument fits better for Doc.
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this is the biggest bucking bs fing award for player of the year ever. It's about like Beasley not getting national player of the year. Fing bs. It's not even close. Another bj for Ku. Give me an fing break, Pullen deserved this.
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First of all, A&M plays in the south they got 6 games against Tech, Oklahoma, & OSU. Like I said they are no different than the other teams I listed. Secondly, you listed those players but if you look at the recruit rankings you could make a claim that Turgeon's teams have underachieved, despite having their easy as hell conference schedule.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=11521.msg249669#msg249669
I realize people on message boards never change their minds or admit their opinion may have been shallow. This has been pretty one sided, as bad of a beating that a non-tard will take.
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Turd, much as I hate the little crybaby bitch should have been COY.
Either him or Boyle.
For a first year coach, what Boyle did was damn near a miracle, even with Burks.
Absolutely ridiculous. Both of you should be ashamed, unless you dudes are high, in that case grats. CU literally did nothing Nebraska didn't outside of winning in Manhattan. A&M did not distinguish itself from KSU whatsoever. There is very little difference between A&M, CU, NU, and Mizzou and you guys think one if those slobs are worthy of an award? I had a slight hope that the coaches would eff that award up like they did the POY, and give it to Frank. They did the right thing, Frank gets credit for making a much needed adjustment, but it shouldn't be forgotten that some of the turmoil in the slow start was his fault.
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Turgeon won ten games in this league with...what? Kris Middleton? David Loubeau? He literally pulled a rabbit out of his hat and found some way to win ten games with a team that has less overall talent than Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Texas, and Baylor (at a minimum).
Boyle, a first year coach at CU, had the first winning record at Colorado since Ricardo Patton was there, had five top 50 wins, and has them squarely on the bubble for their first NCAA tournament since 2003.
I'm not going to say Self has no case for the award, but seriously...the eight wins Boyle got and the ten wins Turgeon got were much more impressive than the fourteen Self did when you look at what all three of them had to work with.
You can disagree, but to say it's 'absolutely ridiculous unless we're high' is kind of a stretch as well, don't you think?
No it's absolutely ridiculous. First of all, A&M plays in the south they got 6 games against Tech, Oklahoma, & OSU. Like I said they are no different than the other teams I listed. Secondly, you listed those players but if you look at the recruit rankings you could make a claim that Turgeon's teams have underachieved, despite having their easy as hell conference schedule. Even if you don't want to say his teams have underachieved, they certainly haven't been exceptional by any standard, not award worthy.
I couldn't give half of a damn about Colorado's basketball history and no one should when it comes to a coach of the year award. Tad Boyle has two pros & finished one game better than Nebraska. Lets not act like Boyle drug them out of some abyss, he's there because the previous coach got a better job. Colorado is a whole 2 games better.
The reasons you list for Turgeon & Boyle fit better for Doc.
Look, I hate Turgeon as much (if not more) than anyone. But all I'm saying is that when I look at his team, and I look at the production he lost from last year, I think getting to ten wins was impressive. He hasn't recruited at a level any higher than KSU, Mizzou, OU, or OSU have in recent years. You can probably throw Baylor into that mix as well. Yet, for the second consecutive year, he has them with double digit wins, and of all of the teams in the top six or seven places in this conference, he doesn't really have a true 'star'. Middleton was pretty pedestrian, statistically, for the majority of the conference season.
I guess with the overall level of parity in this league, at least in the middle, I see A&M as the one team that floated to the top of the heap when you remove Kansas State due to the lack of achieved expectations. Of all of the teams with a first round bye, they were the one that wasn't expected to be there by the majority of prognosticators. You can say it's due to a weaker South, but I don't personally think that the gap is as large as you make it out to be. Four of their conference losses were to Baylor and Texas, both of which have more talent than they do, and the home loss to Baylor was in OT. They lost to NU on the road (which all but two teams did this year), and they lost to Kansas on Senior Night. All of those losses are respectable.
All I'm saying is that when I look at a cocktail of variables, I think Turgeon did the best with what he had. Bill Self has the best season, and Rick Barnes looked like the runaway favorite about two weeks ago. But KU had the talent for a 14 win team. Texas had the talent for a 13 win team. KSU had the talent for a thirteen win team. But Turgeon, in my opinion, had less talent than Mizzou, Baylor, and Kansas State, and he won ten games with it. I'm going to give him credit for that.
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First of all, A&M plays in the south they got 6 games against Tech, Oklahoma, & OSU. Like I said they are no different than the other teams I listed. Secondly, you listed those players but if you look at the recruit rankings you could make a claim that Turgeon's teams have underachieved, despite having their easy as hell conference schedule.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=11521.msg249669#msg249669
I realize people on message boards never change their minds or admit their opinion may have been shallow. This has been pretty one sided, as bad of a beating that a non-tard will take.
Damn it, man. I appreciate the compliment (non-tard), but I'm willing to :bang: about this.
If anything, I hate giving it to Bill Self by default. Barnes couldn't get it because they collapsed at the end. Frank couldn't get it because of the inability to live up to expectations. Anderson couldn't get it because, well, duh. And you're right about Boyle; you can't give it to an 8-8 coach.
I just hate the fact that we're giving the COY to the guy that has a bench full of Top 50 players and, gasp, actually wins a bunch of games with them. I literally hate it. It's like giving the Big 12 football COY to Mack Brown and Bob Stoops. They should win that award every damn year. Bill Self or Rick Barnes should win the COY award every year. I just hate it when they do because, damn it, it just demeans the damn thing.
I'll admit that I'm being obtuse, but KU has a rough ridin' McDonald's All-American riding the pine behind Tyshawn and Elijah Johnson. If Self isn't winning 14 games a year, he should just quit altogether.
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Big 12 DVD Makers of the Year: Kansas State
see, you had this argument won. Then you go all butt hurt on us.
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First of all, A&M plays in the south they got 6 games against Tech, Oklahoma, & OSU. Like I said they are no different than the other teams I listed. Secondly, you listed those players but if you look at the recruit rankings you could make a claim that Turgeon's teams have underachieved, despite having their easy as hell conference schedule.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=11521.msg249669#msg249669
I realize people on message boards never change their minds or admit their opinion may have been shallow. This has been pretty one sided, as bad of a beating that a non-tard will take.
Damn it, man. I appreciate the compliment (non-tard), but I'm willing to :bang: about this.
If anything, I hate giving it to Bill Self by default. Barnes couldn't get it because they collapsed at the end. Frank couldn't get it because of the inability to live up to expectations. Anderson couldn't get it because, well, duh. And you're right about Boyle; you can't give it to an 8-8 coach.
I just hate the fact that we're giving the COY to the guy that has a bench full of Top 50 players and, gasp, actually wins a bunch of games with them. I literally hate it. It's like giving the Big 12 football COY to Mack Brown and Bob Stoops. They should win that award every damn year. Bill Self or Rick Barnes should win the COY award every year. I just hate it when they do because, damn it, it just demeans the damn thing.
I'll admit that I'm being obtuse, but KU has a rough ridin' McDonald's All-American riding the pine behind Tyshawn and Elijah Johnson. If Self isn't winning 14 games a year, he should just quit altogether.
No, it's undoubtedly a win by default. He benefitted from the conference having a large middle class of teams unable to distinguish themselves.
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2 thats right count'em 2 honorable mention all big 12 players.
#greatestteamever
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I agree that Turgeon did a nice job, but the "aTm has no talent" talking point is over done. Middleton, Loubeau, Harris, and Holmes were all rated Top 100 HS players by various recruiting sources. Another FR that didn't play much was also Top 100. Granted, none of these guys were Top 50, but still some talented guys. Its not like Turgeon took Doc-like talent and pulled off a miracle.
I'm not arguing that they don't have talent; half of the teams (if not more) in this league recruit at that level. KU, Texas, Baylor, OSU, Missouri, KSU, A&M, and Oklahoma have all recruited at a high level in the past few years.
But, to me, I think that Turgeon did more with what he had this year. He didn't have a Pullen to score 20 points a game. He didn't have the home court advantage that Mizzou has. He most certainly didn't have the talent that Baylor has. But, somehow, he managed to get his team to a third place finish against all of those teams pointed out with similar talent/footing.
Bill Self has outstanding talent and won the conference. Rick Barnes has outstanding talent and took second. Turgeon has good talent and took third. KSU has good talent and took fourth. Missouri has good talent and took sixth. You look at A&M and Colorado in their respective seeds, and you think, "Really? Huh."
The fact that they stand out, to me, means more than Bill Self winning with his parade of four and five star players. But, again, that's just me.
Go look at recruiting rankings from the past 4 years. Half the teams in the league do not recruit better than aTm, maybe 3 or 4 teams have better talent/recruiting (again, going off HS recruiting rankings) than aTm. KU, UT, and BU, but other than that their recruiting is the same or better than everyone else.
And again, the only teams in the league with worse schedules this year were ISU and CU.
Nobody is saying that Turgeon didn't/doesn't do a good job, but it wasn't COY worthy.
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Go look at recruiting rankings from the past 4 years. Half the teams in the league do not recruit better than aTm, maybe 3 or 4 teams have better talent/recruiting (again, going off HS recruiting rankings) than aTm. KU, UT, and BU, but other than that their recruiting is the same or better than everyone else.
And again, the only teams in the league with worse schedules this year were ISU and CU.
Nobody is saying that Turgeon didn't/doesn't do a good job, but it wasn't COY worthy.
I acquiesced in a previous post.
I just hate giving it to Bill Self by default. I hate it.
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I acquiesced in a previous post.
I just hate giving it to Bill Self by default. I hate it.
Me too, but he's a darn good coach. I know the Nortards have been bad, but to have 1 loss to NU/ISU/CU in the last 7 years is ridiculous.
Really, the only weird thing in Big 12 play for KU is losing to both OSU and Tech 3 times each in that stretch.