Turd, much as I hate the little crybaby bitch should have been COY.
Either him or Boyle.
For a first year coach, what Boyle did was damn near a miracle, even with Burks.
Absolutely ridiculous. Both of you should be ashamed, unless you dudes are high, in that case grats. CU literally did nothing Nebraska didn't outside of winning in Manhattan. A&M did not distinguish itself from KSU whatsoever. There is very little difference between A&M, CU, NU, and Mizzou and you guys think one if those slobs are worthy of an award? I had a slight hope that the coaches would eff that award up like they did the POY, and give it to Frank. They did the right thing, Frank gets credit for making a much needed adjustment, but it shouldn't be forgotten that some of the turmoil in the slow start was his fault.
Turgeon won ten games in this league with...what? Kris Middleton? David Loubeau? He literally pulled a rabbit out of his hat and found some way to win ten games with a team that has less overall talent than Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Texas, and Baylor (at a minimum).
Boyle, a first year coach at CU, had the first winning record at Colorado since Ricardo Patton was there, had five top 50 wins, and has them squarely on the bubble for their first NCAA tournament since 2003.
I'm not going to say Self has no case for the award, but seriously...the eight wins Boyle got and the ten wins Turgeon got were much more impressive than the fourteen Self did when you look at what all three of them had to work with.
You can disagree, but to say it's 'absolutely ridiculous unless we're high' is kind of a stretch as well, don't you think?
No it's absolutely ridiculous. First of all, A&M plays in the south they got 6 games against Tech, Oklahoma, & OSU. Like I said they are no different than the other teams I listed. Secondly, you listed those players but if you look at the recruit rankings you could make a claim that Turgeon's teams have underachieved, despite having their easy as hell conference schedule. Even if you don't want to say his teams have underachieved, they certainly haven't been exceptional by any standard, not award worthy.
I couldn't give half of a damn about Colorado's basketball history and no one should when it comes to a coach of the year award. Tad Boyle has two pros & finished one game better than Nebraska. Lets not act like Boyle drug them out of some abyss, he's there because the previous coach got a better job. Colorado is a whole 2 games better.
The reasons you list for Turgeon & Boyle fit better for Doc.
Look, I hate Turgeon as much (if not more) than anyone. But all I'm saying is that when I look at his team, and I look at the production he lost from last year, I think getting to ten wins was impressive. He hasn't recruited at a level any higher than KSU, Mizzou, OU, or OSU have in recent years. You can probably throw Baylor into that mix as well. Yet, for the second consecutive year, he has them with double digit wins, and of all of the teams in the top six or seven places in this conference, he doesn't really have a true 'star'. Middleton was pretty pedestrian, statistically, for the majority of the conference season.
I guess with the overall level of parity in this league, at least in the middle, I see A&M as the one team that floated to the top of the heap when you remove Kansas State due to the lack of achieved expectations. Of all of the teams with a first round bye, they were the one that wasn't expected to be there by the majority of prognosticators. You can say it's due to a weaker South, but I don't personally think that the gap is as large as you make it out to be. Four of their conference losses were to Baylor and Texas, both of which have more talent than they do, and the home loss to Baylor was in OT. They lost to NU on the road (which all but two teams did this year), and they lost to Kansas on Senior Night. All of those losses are respectable.
All I'm saying is that when I look at a cocktail of variables, I think Turgeon did the best with what he had. Bill Self has the best season, and Rick Barnes looked like the runaway favorite about two weeks ago. But KU had the talent for a 14 win team. Texas had the talent for a 13 win team. KSU had the talent for a thirteen win team. But Turgeon, in my opinion, had less talent than Mizzou, Baylor, and Kansas State, and he won ten games with it. I'm going to give him credit for that.
