Author Topic: Frank Martin (Read 52419 times)

kso_FAN · « **Reply #475 on:** March 15, 2016, 11:40:41 AM »

Quote from: TownieCat on March 15, 2016, 09:27:12 AM

Can't believe it hasn't been mentioned that SC beat Tulsa on a neutral floor. A little bit of a paradox that they were punished for not having enough top 50 wins because Tulsa wasn't in the top 50.

Literally, a team they beat was better than them because that team wasn't quite good enough by the NCAA's standards.

The same could be said about Vanderbilt.

Yeah, this is a great case where top 50 wins becomes really goofy. Tulsa finished with 4, Vandy with 2, and South Carolina with only 1, but none of these teams finished in the Top 50 in the RPI. So South Carolina beats what ended up being 2 tournament teams, but they didn't really get much credit because neither showed up as Top 50 wins.

This is where the committee has to make the next move and adjust the value of top 50 wins for winning on the road, at home, or a neutral venues. This is where kenpom's Tier A and B lists for teams can become helpful and there is no reason the committee couldn't adopt a similar criteria with the RPI.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #476 on:** March 15, 2016, 11:45:19 AM »

Quote from: ChiCat on March 15, 2016, 09:03:47 AM

Quote from: sonofdaxjones on March 14, 2016, 11:16:59 AM
USCe handed their resume to get jobbed by the committee over on a silver platter with a 4-6 Feb and March.

There were a bunch of teams that were absolute crap down the stretch but were in. USCw was 3-7 and got in comfortably. I'm pretty sure they don't have a win as good as SC @ A&M too.

the field at 68 now, I have a much harder time thinking a team was egregiously robbed. IMO, Frank deserved to be in but was punished for his laughable non-con schedule. I think playing a tournament team, even if it would've meant a loss, would have helped the resume enormously. The committee usually rewards a non-major with a tough non-con so I don't really have a problem with them punishing the opposite.

This is where I fall too. Its fun to discuss the rationale behind these decisions and their flaws, but once you get to picking teams at this point there is going to be faulty logic somewhere because many of these teams just aren't that great.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #477 on:** March 15, 2016, 11:46:02 AM »

I think this is the first year the committee truly told Lunardi to get mumped.

wetwillie · « **Reply #478 on:** March 15, 2016, 12:10:13 PM »

Quote from: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2016, 11:46:02 AM

I think this is the first year the committee truly told Lunardi to get mumped.

He wrote an article the day after and was very salty. Basically said Tulsa was negligence and that the committee is slipping.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #479 on:** March 15, 2016, 12:13:00 PM »

I have no sympathy if you lose to Missouri. None.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #480 on:** March 15, 2016, 12:13:52 PM »

Also, with no Louisville, if you're the 1st team out, you're really the 2nd team out etc. No one can complain when Louisville opened up a slot. That goes for the NIT also.

ChiComCat · « **Reply #481 on:** March 15, 2016, 12:18:42 PM »

Quote from: Cartierfor3 on March 15, 2016, 12:13:52 PM

Also, with no Louisville, if you're the 1st team out, you're really the 2nd team out etc. No one can complain when Louisville opened up a slot. That goes for the NIT also.

SMU too

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #482 on:** March 15, 2016, 12:22:57 PM »

There's no way he was the first team out. That had to Monmouth..

Also, jfc, I just looked at Vandy's resume.

chum1 · « **Reply #483 on:** March 15, 2016, 12:35:34 PM »

There's a really sad slideshow here:

http://www.wltx.com/sports/ncaa/usc-gamecocks/uscs-martin-on-ncaa-snub-its-disappointing/81150705

Trim · « **Reply #484 on:** March 15, 2016, 12:41:25 PM »

Guayabera!

'taterblast · « **Reply #485 on:** March 15, 2016, 12:42:33 PM »

oh god... a pep band, children dressed as cheerleaders, they really went all out

DQ12 · « **Reply #486 on:** March 15, 2016, 12:46:22 PM »

they should really just do a bcs for at large selections. in fact they should bcs the seedings too. week by week updates!

Trim · « **Reply #487 on:** March 15, 2016, 12:48:02 PM »

Frank and oscar sure do have different ways of talking about their players.

TownieCat · « **Reply #488 on:** March 15, 2016, 01:19:47 PM »

Quote from: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2016, 12:22:57 PM

There's no way he was the first team out. That had to Monmouth..

Also, jfc, I just looked at Vandy's resume.

Castiglione was very dismissive of SC in his interview on Sunday night. He had positive things to say about Monmouth, Valpo, and St. Bonaventure, but when it came to SC he was pretty much like "LOL no!"

Vandy was BITB at scheduling several good noncon games and losing all of them.

pissclams · « **Reply #489 on:** March 15, 2016, 01:43:48 PM »

i think it's funny that they put haith in the tournament given his recent fuckings in the ass of the ncaa rulebook

wetwillie · « **Reply #490 on:** March 15, 2016, 02:04:08 PM »

Quote from: pissclams on March 15, 2016, 01:43:48 PM

i think it's funny that they put haith in the tournament given his recent fuckings in the ass of the ncaa rulebook

Tulsa is indefensible

TownieCat · « **Reply #491 on:** March 15, 2016, 02:28:42 PM »

The same could be said about Boeheim and Syracuse.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #492 on:** March 15, 2016, 02:49:02 PM »

And Michigan

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #493 on:** March 15, 2016, 02:49:35 PM »

Schedule makers really mumped Frank IMO.

pissclams · « **Reply #494 on:** March 15, 2016, 03:03:34 PM »

Quote from: TownieCat on March 15, 2016, 02:28:42 PM

The same could be said about Boeheim and Syracuse.

you could say the same about boeheim and syracuse as i did about haith and tulsa, but you'd sound like a mongloid doing it.
i mean really.

TownieCat · « **Reply #495 on:** March 15, 2016, 03:17:55 PM »

Quote from: pissclams on March 15, 2016, 03:03:34 PM

Quote from: TownieCat on March 15, 2016, 02:28:42 PM
The same could be said about Boeheim and Syracuse.
you could say the same about boeheim and syracuse as i did about haith and tulsa, but you'd sound like a mongloid doing it.
i mean really.

Boeheim is coming off of a suspension and the Cuse were ineligible for the postseason last year, but sure let's give them the benefit of the doubt with their shaky tourney resume in 2016.

Not exactly an apples to apples comparison with Haith and Tulsa, but there are some similarities.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #496 on:** March 15, 2016, 04:47:34 PM »

https://twitter.com/dcaraviello/status/709855904162848769

chum1 · « **Reply #497 on:** March 15, 2016, 04:56:57 PM »

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #498 on:** March 15, 2016, 05:03:19 PM »

So Frank. When it doesn't matter.

pissclams · « **Reply #499 on:** March 15, 2016, 05:10:55 PM »

Quote from: ksu_BBB on March 15, 2016, 04:47:34 PM

https://twitter.com/dcaraviello/status/709855904162848769

Quote from: WackyCat08 on March 15, 2016, 05:03:19 PM

So Frank. When it doesn't matter.

blanton, 1.5ppg
cobb, 1 ppg
gregory, 1.7 ppg
silva, 5.4 ppg
stroman, 2.3 ppg

it never mattered