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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: SdK on December 18, 2015, 07:10:42 PM
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Without Pullen, is he ever worth a crap? I don't think so. I think Frank needed Jake more than Jake needed Frank.
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Currently 9-0 and beating up on Clemson :dunno:
But I do love Jake. Easily my favorite qhat of all time.
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Without Pullen, is he ever worth a crap? I don't think so. I think Frank needed Jake more than Jake needed Frank.
Based on what?
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Without Pullen, is he ever worth a crap? I don't think so. I think Frank needed Jake more than Jake needed Frank.
Based on what?
I don't think the teams respond to Frank without Jake.
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Without Pullen, is he ever worth a crap? I don't think so. I think Frank needed Jake more than Jake needed Frank.
Based on what?
I don't think the teams respond to Frank without Jake.
Based on what?
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I mean he did have a 20+ win season and won a game in the NCAAT without Pullen so...
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Might be time for another _fan fulcrum post.
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I mean he did have a 20+ win season and won a game in the NCAAT without Pullen so...
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A pretty common accomplishment
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i haven't looked at the numbers, but i think i'm going to be winning the bet after when this season ends. :)
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eh. maybe not. next year, tho.
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took him a bit longer than expected but he should have his first tournament appearance in 2017
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oscar has kicked his ass. Poor guy. At least he's making good $. Ppl liked him here. He was a good story. Everyone thinks they're better than they are tho!
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Frank would definitely fail with the current squad we have.
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:)
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I mean he did have a 20+ win season and won a game in the NCAAT without Pullen so...
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A pretty common accomplishment
For some
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took him a bit longer than expected but he should have his first tornament appearance in 2017
fyp
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Everybody is humping Frank now because of 10-0. He must have learned from Snyder "we'll do what's best for the program and pad my record". He's beaten NOBODY. He plays 2 currently ranked teams ALL YEAR. Kentucky and aTm. GTFO.
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Everybody is humping Frank now because of 10-0. He must have learned from Snyder "we'll do what's best for the program and pad my record". He's beaten NOBODY. He plays 2 currently ranked teams ALL YEAR. Kentucky and aTm. GTFO.
That's the trouble with the SEC, he has like no shot of going to the tournament this year because how shitty the conference is. He definitely will have to schedule a better non con next year.
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Everybody is humping Frank now because of 10-0. He must have learned from Snyder "we'll do what's best for the program and pad my record". He's beaten NOBODY. He plays 2 currently ranked teams ALL YEAR. Kentucky and aTm. GTFO.
His team has played well to this point. Nothing wrong with pointing that out.
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Tulsa and Clemson are solid wins. Frank has put together a pretty nice team.
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I enjoy it when Frank sucks, but Frank doing well does nothing for me.
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Everybody is humping Frank now because of 10-0. He must have learned from Snyder "we'll do what's best for the program and pad my record". He's beaten NOBODY. He plays 2 currently ranked teams ALL YEAR. Kentucky and aTm. GTFO.
Jesus, shut the hell up. Watch a game or something before you open your mouth, Christ. They haven't been 10-0 in 82 years, who the hell cares who they've played?
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Everybody is humping Frank now because of 10-0. He must have learned from Snyder "we'll do what's best for the program and pad my record". He's beaten NOBODY. He plays 2 currently ranked teams ALL YEAR. Kentucky and aTm. GTFO.
That's the trouble with the SEC, he has like no shot of going to the tournament this year because how shitty the conference is. He definitely will have to schedule a better non con next year.
I'll bet you that they get in.
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Everybody is humping Frank now because of 10-0. He must have learned from Snyder "we'll do what's best for the program and pad my record". He's beaten NOBODY. He plays 2 currently ranked teams ALL YEAR. Kentucky and aTm. GTFO.
That's the trouble with the SEC, he has like no shot of going to the tournament this year because how shitty the conference is. He definitely will have to schedule a better non con next year.
I'll bet you that they get in.
i hope so, i guess the SEC got 5 in last year
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SC stunk in conference last year after a solid non-con. Be interesting to see how they fare.
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Frank is a good coach. I'd like to think he would be more successful at KSU than he would ever be at SC, but the guy can still coach bball wherever he is.
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Frank is going to end up winning a NCAAT game with USC before oscar does at K-State
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Frank is going to end up winning a NCAAT game with USC before oscar does at K-State
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Doubtful, in my opinion.
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Big 12 title > winning 1 game in the tourney.
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Big 12 title* > winning 1 game in the tourney.
True but
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Yeah, I know, i'm just saying.
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Frank has put together a pretty nice team. However, I've seen SC play, and don't see a clear difference in quality. I think they'd likely be 8-2 playing our schedule and I think there's a good chance we'd be 10-0 playing their schedule.
point being - why does Frank have a nice team likely to get into the NCAA and we have a crap team hopefully bound for the NIT?
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Frank has put together a pretty nice team. However, I've seen SC play, and don't see a clear difference in quality. I think they'd likely be 8-2 playing our schedule and I think there's a good chance we'd be 10-0 playing their schedule.
point being - why does Frank have a nice team likely to get into the NCAA and we have a crap team hopefully bound for the NIT?
Playing teams twice in the big 12 < facing those weak ass bitches in the SEC.
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Big 12 title > winning 1 game in the tourney.
yeah, but still, it is inexcusable based on what oscar took over vs what Frank took over that Frank will beat him to a tournament win.
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Frank has put together a pretty nice team. However, I've seen SC play, and don't see a clear difference in quality. I think they'd likely be 8-2 playing our schedule and I think there's a good chance we'd be 10-0 playing their schedule.
point being - why does Frank have a nice team likely to get into the NCAA and we have a crap team hopefully bound for the NIT?
Playing teams twice in the big 12 < facing those weak ass bitches in the SEC.
They have two ranked teams on their schedule the rest of the way and Kentucky is kinda garbage this year.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2579/south-carolina-gamecocks
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Frank has put together a pretty nice team. However, I've seen SC play, and don't see a clear difference in quality. I think they'd likely be 8-2 playing our schedule and I think there's a good chance we'd be 10-0 playing their schedule.
point being - why does Frank have a nice team likely to get into the NCAA and we have a crap team hopefully bound for the NIT?
Playing teams twice in the big 12 < facing those weak ass bitches in the SEC.
They have two ranked teams on their schedule the rest of the way and Kentucky is kinda garbage this year.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2579/south-carolina-gamecocks
Murderers row! http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/team/schedule/_/id/2306/kansas-state-wildcats
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Wacky sounds like a KU fan trying to denigrate KSU's football success.
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Wacky sounds like a KU fan trying to denigrate KSU's football success.
Not really. If you look at those schedules, who do you think has the better chance? We do have plenty of opportunities for big wins, but...
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Wacky sounds like a KU fan trying to denigrate KSU's football success.
Not really. If you look at those schedules, who do you think who has the better chance? We do have plenty of opportunities for big wins, but...
The biggest difference between our teams at this point is that we've played two better teams than them and have two losses to show for it. I think they pretty clearly have better chance at getting in. KenPom has them at 25-6 to our 17-14 so it doesn't look particularly close either
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Frank has put together a pretty nice team. However, I've seen SC play, and don't see a clear difference in quality. I think they'd likely be 8-2 playing our schedule and I think there's a good chance we'd be 10-0 playing their schedule.
point being - why does Frank have a nice team likely to get into the NCAA and we have a crap team hopefully bound for the NIT?
I don't think it's very likely either team gets in this year.
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Frank is going to end up winning a NCAAT game with USC before oscar does at K-State
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yeah like in march 2016
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neither team is very good, does it matter which is worse?
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Wacks why are the gamecocks ranked?
Because they're undefeated?! :dunno: If you wanna jerk off Frank, go for it. I really could careless. I've gotten over my butthurt for him. I'm just saying, I bet the toughest team they play all year is A&M, because I think Kentucky is garbage.
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Frank Martin will never make the NCAA tournament again.
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Memphis, where should I eat the weekend of the bowl game? Maybe we should make a thread for you up top.
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I've gotten over my butthurt for him.
Weird statement for someone butthurting all over this thread
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I'm seriously just talking about who's got the better chance based off the schedule. I don't think that's taking away from Frank, i'm sure he would tell you it's pretty light too. We've only played two tough teams so far, so i'm not announcing us as champions. However, the double round robin is lethal in the Big 12.
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The way it looks right now, this twenty fifteen/sixteen Bruceketball team can probably make the tourney with an 8-10 confy record, with a few of the right wins. I hope they can find a way to do that, AT LEAST.
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We would beat South Carolina by 40 this year. Unless they fired Frank Martin before we played them.
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:thumbs:
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if we won the rest of our regular season games and south carolina lost the rest of theirs, could we finally put this argument to bed?
b/c it might happen and then we would be one of the hottest teams in the b12 and the sec losers would be ice cold.
but what if the opposite happened and frank and team went on a rampage and won out? there would be a lot of posters here who would look like complete fools. of course, all of the staunch oscar supporters on goEMAW would start making excuses for him.
k state and south carolina will always be tied together as the ying and the yang of college hoops. kinda crazy that both coaches coached at k state at one time in their careers. i imagine they wrote good cover letters that helped them get their jobs at the ksu cats.
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jesus rough ridin' christ, i hate the vast majority of you.
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currie should ask frank and oscar to dress up as each other and get hollywood make up artists to make frank look like oscar and vice a versa.
keep it under tight wraps, no one must know.
then both ad's agree to make the switch. we get frank-oscar for the rest of the season and they get oscar-frank.
during halftime at the last home game each coach sits in a chair at midcourt and "unmask" - imagine the excitement as fans learn the true identity of their coach.
let the marketing genius AD's let the dollars start rolling in from the genius social media experiment. i can see both ad's cheersing magnums of veuve together and loling their sec asses off
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currie should ask frank and oscar to dress up as each other and get hollywood make up artists to make frank look like oscar and vice a versa.
keep it under tight wraps, no one must know.
then both ad's agree to make the switch. we get frank-oscar for the rest of the season and they get oscar-frank.
during halftime at the last home game each coach sits in a chair at midcourt and "unmask" - imagine the excitement as fans learn the true identity of their coach.
let the marketing genius AD's let the dollars start rolling in from the genius social media experiment. i can see both ad's cheersing magnums of veuve together and loling their sec asses off
this would be an incredible scene.
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it would be.
i guess the question becomes, who is the better coach: frank-oscar or oscar-frank?
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holy eff, oscar's voice coming out of Frank.
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Frank Martin and oscar Weber shopped onto Face Off movie promo poster.
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this episode of wife swap is going to be good
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Can we put clams in charge of the NCAA? I think if you get 25,000 signatures on some white house petition they have to do it
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Frank has put together a pretty nice team. However, I've seen SC play, and don't see a clear difference in quality. I think they'd likely be 8-2 playing our schedule and I think there's a good chance we'd be 10-0 playing their schedule.
point being - why does Frank have a nice team likely to get into the NCAA and we have a crap team hopefully bound for the NIT?
Because they have a better team than we do :dunno:
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Oh hello!
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Maybe :dunno:
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People were going bananas with his win at 7-6 Auburn last night. #hottakes
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I'm happy for Frank. He's a good coach.
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People were going bananas with his win at 7-6 Auburn last night. #hottakes
I thought for sure he had beat Kentucky when I saw MIR bump this thread, and was like what on earth.
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the sec is so bad and his sec hoops schedule is so favorable that he might just do it
he gets uk, vandy, and lsu all at home
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Will likely be the last undefeated team in the country after tomorrow night, we have a big game against Vandy on Saturday. LETS GO :excited:
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Frank's not even a cat. He didn't even go to school there!
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People were going bananas with his win at 7-6 Auburn last night. #hottakes
It sure as crap beats losing to 7-5 Texas without their best (read:only) post player :cry:
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The Frankites are gonna drop their seed all over this blog.
Sad
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Frank's not even a cat. He didn't even go to school there!
forever royal, wackycat. like chris young.
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Frank's not even a cat. He didn't even go to school there!
forever royal, wackycat. like chris young.
Oh man. This might change my viewpoint. :thumbs:
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Real quotes from K-State fans in response to Frank Martin...
Getting a few wins isn't worth his angry looks & rude behavior to the players. I'd pick Weber's attitude any day over Martin.
Amen! So glad coach doesn't get in the kids face and scream at them. Love our team!!!
Really wish we could all get behind the staff we have!!!
Thank you. You are true fans and are paying attention. Dont give up on these kids or the coaches. BETTER TIMES ARE COMING WITH THIS TEAM.
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:facepalm:
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_FAN, that's an onion article. . .
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Woollyball 2.0. It's coming. Weber will stick around 3 years longer than he should have, end up in a neckbrace, and finally get canned.
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Real quotes from K-State fans in response to Frank Martin...
Getting a few wins isn't worth his angry looks & rude behavior to the players. I'd pick Weber's attitude any day over Martin.
Amen! So glad coach doesn't get in the kids face and scream at them. Love our team!!!
Really wish we could all get behind the staff we have!!!
Thank you. You are true fans and are paying attention. Dont give up on these kids or the coaches. BETTER TIMES ARE COMING WITH THIS TEAM.
pathetic losers....all of them.
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if you're bored-
http://www.cockytalk.com/showthread.php?t=216707
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if you're bored-
http://www.cockytalk.com/showthread.php?t=216707
our old friend, mcankles.
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Their recruiting is "hit and miss," lol. That had to be from someone who hasn't been a SC fan.
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Woollyball 2.0. It's coming. Weber will stick around 3 years longer than he should have, end up in a neckbrace, and finally get canned.
He already has...
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Woollyball 2.0. It's coming. Weber will stick around 3 years longer than he should have, end up in a neckbrace, and finally get canned.
He already has...
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Eek! :frown: is this his Xavier game?
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:bawl:
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:frown:
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South Carolina 39th in Kenpom.
Kansas State 40th in Kenpom.
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Avery Johnson man, building a monster.
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Frank. Still :love:
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South Carolina 39th in Kenpom.
Kansas State 40th in Kenpom.
Fulcrum.
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They were complete garbage last night.
I quit watching right after halftime.
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oh man I wonder if we'll have a buy in or quit moment. :cry:
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oh man I wonder if we'll have a buy in or quit moment. :cry:
At 15-1? I seriously doubt it.
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I'll be perfectly blunt. That was the shittiest basketball I've seen any P5 team play all year. Granted I didn't see St. John's get blown out by a DII school and I only watched part of the KU vs UCLA game. But, what I saw from USC was horrific on every level.
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I mean, you get that 2-3 times a year with Frank. Don't know if it's the style, or if he intentionally lets his teams crap themselves sometimes just so he can have some leverage afterwards to teach, but it happens. I did enjoy that if we weren't losing to Nebraska or something in the most awful fashion imaginable, our teams were usually eating the other team's face off. Matter of preference I guess, I'm easily able to stomach a small number of awful nights a season for balls to the wall intensity during the other games.
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I bet his post game conference included the word "silly". At least I would like to think that it did.
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South Carolina might not win another game this year.
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Bubble team
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Frank will be better than a bubble team.
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Frank will be better than a bubble team.
Next week is big for him, needs to stay a float. Plays @Mississippi and @Tennessee both games are projected as bear fights.
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I mean, you get that 2-3 times a year with Frank. Don't know if it's the style, or if he intentionally lets his teams crap themselves sometimes just so he can have some leverage afterwards to teach, but it happens. I did enjoy that if we weren't losing to Nebraska or something in the most awful fashion imaginable, our teams were usually eating the other team's face off. Matter of preference I guess, I'm easily able to stomach a small number of awful nights a season for balls to the wall intensity during the other games.
I think the playing style of his teams and his coaching style is very difficult for players to maintain at a high level for 32+ games so his teams will always prone to spectacular duds when they just don't have it on a given night. As we know it can lead to rough Januarys but he has yet to have a team that withers in February and March.
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Nice win for my guys tonight, 11-0 run to end regulation to force OT and then pull away in said OT. I don't want to talk about that though.
Can we discuss Ole Miss, a big bad power 5 school in the SEC, building a new basketball arena in 2015 that has a seating capacity of 9000? It was half full at best tonight. Is there any other school in the power 5 outside of Boston College so hapless that they would build a new arena today that small and still come no where close to filling it? I mean only Northwestern has a shittier basketball history than Nebraska and they built a 15,000 seat arena. Has Ole Miss ever been good at anything? Why aren't they in the Sun Belt Conference?
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Clemson's overhaul of Littlejohn Coliseum will only seat 8500.
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#ContractSouthernBasketball
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Nice win for my guys tonight, 11-0 run to end regulation to force OT and then pull away in said OT. I don't want to talk about that though.
Can we discuss Ole Miss, a big bad power 5 school in the SEC, building a new basketball arena in 2015 that has a seating capacity of 9000? It was half full at best tonight. Is there any other school in the power 5 outside of Boston College so hapless that they would build a new arena today that small and still come no where close to filling it? I mean only Northwestern has a shittier basketball history than Nebraska and they built a 15,000 seat arena. Has Ole Miss ever been good at anything? Why aren't they in the Sun Belt Conference?
Also, this is Kennedy's 10th year. He's been to the NCAA tournament twice, with 11 and 12 seeds. I guess he does have 2 NIT Final Fours too.
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Is why we have oscar.
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Everyone's read it already but it needs to be here.
http://www.campusrush.com/frank-martin-south-carolina-gamecocks-basketball-1563388977.html
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Everyone's read it already but it needs to be here.
http://www.campusrush.com/frank-martin-south-carolina-gamecocks-basketball-1563388977.html
made it through the intro and started getting really down about having vanila chicken nuggets as our coach.
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It's as if he was a really good coach that his boss probably should have made an effort to get along with and retain.
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No one wanted to come and play for Frank here. The toughness that Pullen instilled was gone from the program.
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It's as if he was a really good coach that his boss probably should have made an effort to get along with and retain.
same with lon kruger and bob huggins
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I couldn't give two shits about south Carolina basketball, and neither does their fanbase or anyone else in the country, and anyone here who does is a huge rough ridin' loser. They rough ridin' suck and haven't beat anybody good.
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I couldn't give two shits about south Carolina basketball, and neither does their fanbase or anyone else in the country, and anyone here who does is a huge rough ridin' loser. They rough ridin' suck and haven't beat anybody good.
belligerently drunk by 10 PM. it's good to see that some things never change, FSD.
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Getting smoked by a dogshit Tennessee team :Yuck:
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Getting smoked by a dogshit Tennessee team :Yuck:
They slipped to 44 in kenpom.
Cats are 43.
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We keep this up we'll rocket up the Ken pom board
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Remember when sys said A&M was a wrong side of the bubble team? :lol:
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Remember when sys said A&M was a wrong side of the bubble team? :lol:
i didn't actually. i said that a team that fulfilled kenpom's projection for them would be on the wrong side of the bubble most years.
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Well that wasn't very satisfying
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South Carolina now project at 11-7 in conference by Kenpom. That would have their RPI at around 50 and on the wrong side off the bubble. Weird resume.
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let's go 'cocks. this is basically your only chance at a good win.
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Yes!
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Texas A&M just isn't any good apparently.
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Looking good for Frank today. Classic big time road win. I miss that.
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His kids look pretty tight on o and d. Fun bb.
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His kids look pretty tight on o and d. Fun bb.
they can look really bad too. need better guards.
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i think that was goal tending, but that was an amazing play.
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His kids look pretty tight on o and d. Fun bb.
they can look really bad too. need better guards.
Buy in or quit!
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Dosier looks pretty good today.
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Dosier looks pretty good today.
he is good. i should have said point guards.
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It's not over yet.
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What a game! :flush:
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FRANK! :)
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Man, house was planning to pull that three and didn't focus on catching first. Love Frankuary
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watching that team against georgia i never would have imagined them doing this
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watching that team against georgia i never would have imagined them doing this
This is what Frank does.
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Development
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Frankuary lives on
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I am very happy for Frank. A top 10 road victory, that's a huge win.
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watching that team against georgia i never would have imagined them doing this
This is what Frank does.
Yes, it happened like, every year he was here.
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I loved today's win. But I really miss Frank.
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Frank is/was worthless. It's pathetic watching you plankton float helplessly with the loser coach who wasn't good enough for KSU
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'lemy sock
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Yawn
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Frank is/was worthless. It's pathetic watching you plankton float helplessly with the loser coach who wasn't good enough for KSU
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:ROFL:
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Is this Frank's biggest game since Butler? Probably.
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Shut up, Townie!
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Dammit, Wacky, I'm just trying to start a conversation! :shakesfist:
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OMG Cal :surprised:
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:D :lol:
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The look on Frank's face was priceless when he realized Cal had gone full apeshit
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eff. i missed this already! games shouldn't be allowed to start before 9 am.
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9:30.
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This is terrible basketball. I love it.
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SC is hilariously bad at shooting the basketball.
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martin looks good. getting pretty silver foxy and looks like he's lost a little weight.
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never mind about the lost weight.
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SC finally plays someone with a pulse and they look awful. :frown:
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That turtleneck is very slimming on him.
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SC finally plays someone with a pulse and they look awful. :frown:
Yeah, that aTm team they beat last week were scrubs :jerk:
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he looks thinner standing than when sitting is all.
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wacky is so mean to his ex gfs.
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SC finally plays someone with a pulse and they look awful. :frown:
Yeah, that aTm team they beat last week were scrubs :jerk:
That's their only big win!
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Schedule makers not doing them any favors :curse:
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wacky is so mean to his ex gfs.
They're good for nothing. What's the point in being friendly towards them?
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I think frank looks fatter tbh
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wacky is so mean to his ex gfs.
They're good for nothing. What's the point in being friendly towards them?
it's an ugly trait.
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Frankruary is full of ups and downs you never know exactly what you are going to get
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https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/698564995165110273
NSFW
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Good grief clean it up towniecat smdh
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ksu-osu looks so small timey compared to that usc-uk astmosphere.
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wacky is so mean to his ex gfs.
They're good for nothing. What's the point in being friendly towards them?
it's an ugly trait.
Holding on to the past is pathetic and sad. I guess we're both lost causes.
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33 is right about how hard two-parters are.
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I feel bad for frank, this is just unfair.
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The "atmosphere" was dominated by Kentucky fans, there must have been 5,000 Kentucky fans in the lower level by the end of the game as USCe fans hit the exits.
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#BBN
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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Frank will live to fight another day.
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Cal showing why he is the bluest of blue bloods with that ejection. Knew his 1a Kenny Payne had it under control and Payne knew what button was being pushed, just a true coaching synergy.
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SC finally plays someone with a pulse and they look awful. :frown:
Yeah, that aTm team they beat last week were scrubs :jerk:
That's their only big win!
aTm has been dog crap for 2 weeks.
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Cal showing why he is the bluest of blue bloods with that ejection. Knew his 1a Kenny Payne had it under control and Payne knew what button was being pushed, just a true coaching synergy.
Post game Payne... I just let Tyler run the offense. Him and Cal have it worked out. I just called the defenses.
Must be awesome to have a point guard that can run the team.
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Best pg in the nation.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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He is fun to watch, he always looks undersized out there but it might just be that his teammates are all 7 feet tall.
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:lol:
loses at misourrah.
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:horrorsurprise:
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:facepalm:
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He never won at missouri when he was here
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He never won at missouri when he was here
Except for that time he did
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He never won at missouri when he was here
Except for that time he did
2-21-12. KSU 78 - #3 Missourah 68. Angel's baseline DOB pass to JO.
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Frank had something like this every year. Getting swept by a bad OU his last year. 0-3 vs CU the year before that. ISU on SR night their year before that. Oregon and Nebraska the year before that. Etc
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it's more that his team isn't very good than that he coaches a variable team, imo. i hope he can keep up the smoke and mirrors long enough to get a tourney invitation.
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Frank had something like this every year. Getting swept by a bad OU his last year. 0-3 vs CU the year before that. ISU on SR night their year before that. Oregon and Nebraska the year before that. Etc
The OU sweep was mind boggling. A healthy Angel sat on the bench @OU the entire game with some sort of Frankhernia.
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it's more that his team isn't very good than that he coaches a variable team, imo. i hope he can keep up the smoke and mirrors long enough to get a tourney invitation.
He's only got Florida left to get a quality win before the SEC tournament, but still chances for bad losses. 3-2 vs RPI top 50 might be enough.
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I miss Frank quotes...
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We were so blessed. And Currie took them away from us so we could get Brucescuses instead.
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:pix_martin:
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it's more that his team isn't very good than that he coaches a variable team, imo. i hope he can keep up the smoke and mirrors long enough to get a tourney invitation.
this is correct. he's benefitted from a weak SEC schedule. i don't think he'll have a problem getting into the tournament, they're 21-5 and 1.5 games back in conference, w. UK and LSU still having to play each other. usc has the easiest remaining schedule of the 3 teams.
as i type this, pitbull is performing on jimmy fallon's stage, i wonder if frank dvr'd it?
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I miss Frank quotes...
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Did you see that Rosburg guy? He is super old, he looks like some dude playing at the Y.
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it's more that his team isn't very good than that he coaches a variable team, imo. i hope he can keep up the smoke and mirrors long enough to get a tourney invitation.
this is correct. he's benefitted from a weak SEC schedule. i don't think he'll have a problem getting into the tournament, they're 21-5 and 1.5 games back in conference, w. UK and LSU still having to play each other. usc has the easiest remaining schedule of the 3 teams.
as i type this, pitbull is performing on jimmy fallon's stage, i wonder if frank dvr'd it?
Agree with you both. They also have a very good RPI, 25th at the start of that Mizzou game. They will get in easily, even with two more bad losses.
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I miss Frank quotes...
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Did you see that Rosburg guy? He is super old, he looks like some dude playing at the Y.
Sheesh.
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it's more that his team isn't very good than that he coaches a variable team, imo. i hope he can keep up the smoke and mirrors long enough to get a tourney invitation.
this is correct. he's benefitted from a weak SEC schedule. i don't think he'll have a problem getting into the tournament, they're 21-5 and 1.5 games back in conference, w. UK and LSU still having to play each other. usc has the easiest remaining schedule of the 3 teams.
as i type this, pitbull is performing on jimmy fallon's stage, i wonder if frank dvr'd it?
Agree with you both. They also have a very good RPI, 25th at the start of that Mizzou game. They will get in easily, even with two more bad losses.
Good points, especially considering the field.
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2016/schedule/South-Carolina
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Oscar beat MO. Frankmar Tin loses. Oscar better.
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Oscar beat MO. Frankmar Tin loses. Oscar better.
kenpom agrees. For now.
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Oscar beat MO. Frankmar Tin loses. Oscar better.
kenpom agrees. For now.
Frank should be far along with USC by now. Underwood is the coach we should be more interested in.
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Holy crap! He lost to Mizzou? :lol:
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Bad loss - Frankuary is dead
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That's not a bad loss, that's a horrific loss! That's like KU losing at TCU a couple of years ago bad.
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Not sure I get the South Carolina/KU comparison wacky.
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That's not a bad loss, that's a horrific loss! That's like KU losing at TCU a couple of years ago bad.
Its bad, but not that bad. More like losing to last year's or this year's TCU.
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That's not a bad loss, that's a horrific loss! That's like KU losing at TCU a couple of years ago bad.
Its bad, but not that bad. More like losing to last year's or this year's TCU.
You think? TCU was decent last year. I obviously trust you, because you always know what you're talking about, but Mizzou is 10-16 overall this year. This surprises me. I guess that TCU team only won two conference games that year and Mizzou has won 3 this year.
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Not sure I get the South Carolina/KU comparison wacky.
I'm talking upset factor. KU's loss at TCU 3 years ago was one of the biggest upsets of all time (by the numbers). I was curious where this would rank.
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It's like.getting the job to shave your grandma's hairy legs.
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That's not a bad loss, that's a horrific loss! That's like KU losing at TCU a couple of years ago bad.
Compare TCU/Mizzou if you want but this South Carolina team is not that KU team (#5 overall and future #1 seed)
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Very true, They are a fringe top 25 team tho. I'm being a bit dramatic I guess.
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That's not a bad loss, that's a horrific loss! That's like KU losing at TCU a couple of years ago bad.
Compare TCU/Mizzou if you want but this South Carolina team is not that KU team (#5 overall and future #1 seed)
Good point.
Going by kenpom, Mizzou is not nearly as bad as that TCU team. That team was the worst Big 12 team since 2002.
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:sdeek: Even worse than their 0-18 team?
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:sdeek: Even worse than their 0-18 team?
Yes. #264 in 13 and #234 in 14.
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Wacks wants this one bad.
:curse:
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Wacky won't accept only being able to take a big crap on Frank. He wants to take the biggest crap of all time on him.
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:sdeek: Even worse than their 0-18 team?
Yes. #264 in 13 and #234 in 14.
That's amazing!
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Wacks wants this one bad.
:curse:
Wacky won't accept only being able to take a big crap on Frank. He wants to take the biggest crap of all time on him.
I swear on my life, I had a dream about FM last night. I called him and apologized to him for being mean to him on twitter and told him how butthurt I was that he left, wished him luck in the tourney, told him i'd be rooting for him, etc. Then I woke up and hear about this game on the radio this morning. I'm so confused on what angle I should take with my life now. Maybe i'm taking a little joy because 'meister tried to tell me how great the SEC was the other day.
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Destroyed at home by a Kentucky team clinging to the top 25, now losses to Missouri.
#smokeandmirrors
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I do admit my hate for Frank is very bizarre. He was pretty great in real life. I just think he's full of crap. Preaching one thing and doing the complete opposite by leaving when times got tough. :dunno:
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I do admit my hate for Frank is very bizarre. He was pretty great in real life. I just think he's full of crap. Preaching one thing and doing the complete opposite by leaving when times got tough. :dunno:
yeah, but that is basically any coach ever who doesn't already have a top tier job and is saddled with a boss they hate.
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That's a good point. I guess I just really bought in with him. He broke me. I'll never love again.
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Destroyed at home by a Kentucky team clinging to the top 25, now losses to Missouri.
#smokeandmirrors
I bet they got backdoored like 20 times. :curse:
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Probably.
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Holy crap! He lost to Mizzou? :lol:
not just Mizzou, but Mizzou just hours after booting one of their best players off the team
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Holy crap! He lost to Mizzou? :lol:
not just Mizzou, but Mizzou just hours after booting one of their best players off the team
Who was booted?
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:sdeek:
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Holy crap! He lost to Mizzou? :lol:
not just Mizzou, but Mizzou just hours after booting one of their best players off the team
Who was booted?
Wes Clark, a sg that was the second leading scorer on the team as a soph.
I gotta say, in all my years of SLTH watching kicking a guy that should be one of the building blocks of your team off for failing "to live up to the Missouri athletic department’s academic expectations" in the middle of the season is a new one.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article60713601.html#storylink=cpy (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article60713601.html#storylink=cpy)
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Holy crap! He lost to Mizzou? :lol:
not just Mizzou, but Mizzou just hours after booting one of their best players off the team
Who was booted?
Wes Clark, a sg that was the second leading scorer on the team as a soph.
I gotta say, in all my years of SLTH watching kicking a guy that should be one of the building blocks of your team off for failing "to live up to the Missouri athletic department’s academic expectations" in the middle of the season is a new one.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article60713601.html#storylink=cpy (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article60713601.html#storylink=cpy)
Oh, I thought that SC booted someone.
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Holy crap! He lost to Mizzou? :lol:
not just Mizzou, but Mizzou just hours after booting one of their best players off the team
Who was booted?
Wes Clark, a sg that was the second leading scorer on the team as a soph.
I gotta say, in all my years of SLTH watching kicking a guy that should be one of the building blocks of your team off for failing "to live up to the Missouri athletic department’s academic expectations" in the middle of the season is a new one.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article60713601.html#storylink=cpy (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article60713601.html#storylink=cpy)
It's not that new. I mean oscar didn't kick Foster off the team during the season, but he might as well have.
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Holy crap! He lost to Mizzou? :lol:
not just Mizzou, but Mizzou just hours after booting one of their best players off the team
Who was booted?
Wes Clark, a sg that was the second leading scorer on the team as a soph.
I gotta say, in all my years of SLTH watching kicking a guy that should be one of the building blocks of your team off for failing "to live up to the Missouri athletic department’s academic expectations" in the middle of the season is a new one.
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article60713601.html#storylink=cpy (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/sec/university-of-missouri/article60713601.html#storylink=cpy)
It's not that new. I mean oscar didn't kick Foster off the team during the season, but he might as well have.
true but oscar at least hid behind the typical "violation of team policy" = drugs? smoke screen. Using academics is pretty ballsy since he might be able to get his grades together and transfer to another P5 school.
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Wow, what an embarrassing loss.
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Wacky I didn't hate him until after I made this thread. I didn't realize all the crap he said to Spradling. I think he is a giant piece of crap now and wish him the worst. You can hop on this train if you like.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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:thumbs:
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Prediction: Frank gets matched up vs. Wisconsin in round 1...and wins.
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what did Frank do to Spradling that he didn't do to the other players?
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Prediction: Frank gets matched up vs. Wisconsin in round 1...and wins.
:surprised:
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what did Frank do to Spradling that he didn't do to the other players?
Saying he wanted to burn their house down with him in it? And refusing to call a guy by his name instead calling him some variation of pussy/ coward for the remainder of the season. If it happened to other players too, I dislike that as well.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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what did Frank do to Spradling that he didn't do to the other players?
Saying he wanted to burn their house down with him in it? And refusing to call a guy by his name instead calling him some variation of pussy/ coward for the remainder of the season. If it happened to other players too, I dislike that as well.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
the burning of the house comment is hilarious if true. is there proof on any of this?
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Oscar beat MO. Frankmar Tin loses. Oscar better.
kenpom agrees. For now.
Frank should be far along with USC by now. Underwood is the coach we should be more interested in.
How did you manage so much nonsense with such few words? It's an amazing skill you have.
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what did Frank do to Spradling that he didn't do to the other players?
Saying he wanted to burn their house down with him in it? And refusing to call a guy by his name instead calling him some variation of pussy/ coward for the remainder of the season. If it happened to other players too, I dislike that as well.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
thats rough ridin' awesome. pro tip: will was a pussy
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what did Frank do to Spradling that he didn't do to the other players?
Saying he wanted to burn their house down with him in it? And refusing to call a guy by his name instead calling him some variation of pussy/ coward for the remainder of the season. If it happened to other players too, I dislike that as well.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
thats rough ridin' awesome. pro tip: will was a pussy
I'll say showing up everyday to be disrespected and humiliated in front of your teammates by the guy who recruited you takes a certain type of resolve not common. In the situation between Will and Frank. Will was not the pussy.
Could Will have been better in many facets? Yes.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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so where is this proof that Frank called Will a pussy all day err day?
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Will had two choices:
Say eff Frank and transfer to another school.
Tell his Dad and Currie he didn't like beig called names and ask for change.
Guess which one is the pussy option....
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Someone doesn't like HR. :D
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Will had two choices:
Say eff Frank and transfer to another school.
Tell his Dad and Currie he didn't like beig called names and ask for change.
Guess which one is the pussy option....
Hahahhahahaha (that was Will getting the last laugh)
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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Frank moves closer home and doesn't have to deal with an ad that he hates doesn't seem like a bad thing.
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Win win then?
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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Kstate fans were the only losers
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Kstate fans were the only losers
With some good lawyerizing, K-State is much better off if Frank had actually burned down Shannon's house with Will in it.
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I didn't realize how many lugheads posted here.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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what is a lughead?
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what is a lughead?
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/lughead
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so is the Will/Pussy stories all hearsay I take it?
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I've heard it brought up several times. I really doubt it's fake. Frank hated him. He called him a pussy his FR year for not shooting the 3 vs Wisconsin.
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I don't think this was unique to Pussy Spradling tho, Frank yelled at everyone. I remember him calling guys stupid MF'ers on national tv. Didn't Pussy start 4 years? If Frank really hated him I doubt he'd have played so much.
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I think it was a motivation tool. Some players react and perform better to verbal "abuse". Will was definitely not that type of player, however. I do believe Frank was trying to push him to be better. The burning their house thing I've never heard, but if he did say it, that's pretty mumped up.
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Frank and Sprads was a confusing time. on the one hand, Sprads was so terrible that you can understand Frank's uncontrollable anger. But on the other hand, if Frank's recruiting hadn't been such total hot dog crap towards the end, Sprads would have been sitting on the bench where he belonged - or off the team altogether.
I feel much the same way about Bazooka Joe. While he clearly blows, I blame Bill much more than bazooka. But for the crap recruiting, Bazooka wouldn't even be on this roster. it's not his fault he's our best QB.
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Frank and Sprads was a confusing time. on the one hand, Sprads was so terrible that you can understand Frank's uncontrollable anger. But on the other hand, if Frank's recruiting hadn't been such total hot dog crap towards the end, Sprads would have been sitting on the bench where he belonged - or off the team altogether.
I feel much the same way about Bazooka Joe. While he clearly blows, I blame Bill much more than bazooka. But for the crap recruiting, Bazooka wouldn't even be on this roster. it's not his fault he's our best QB.
Huebner is no different than most of the 3rd string QBs for Snyder's entire career. He's just Schwinn or Helm playing an entire season.
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Spradling was a frustrating player that I'll never think of fondly. Shannon appears to be a shithead. All that being said IF Frank did what some people say he did, and I have serious doubts about this being true it isn't like Shannon and his hitmen didn't lie about other crap, Frank should have been fired for that.
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I stand with MIR.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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He says what I feel
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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But with betterness
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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He says what I feel
#TheWesIsTheFuture
yes that was very well said
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Frank's recruiting was fine until the end. His last class had Angel, Gip, and a top 150 player in Diaz. Gip + Angel alone makes it a really fine class.
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a different level, obviously. but it looks like diaz has had a very nice senior year for fiu.
http://kenpom.com/player.php?p=12530
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the hialeah hammer!
http://fiusm.com/2016/02/17/panthers-win-over-utsa-ends-five-game-skid/
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It could be debated that oscar's classes were better tho. I don't care about the outcome of the recruits. Frank hit and missed a lot too.
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kstate almost killed him. :frown:
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2016/01/15/fius-hialeah-hammer-shares-struggle-on-and-off-basketball-court/
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Another miss for Frank. Smdh. :frown:
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Frank's teams also lose to some crap bird teams.
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It could be debated that oscar's classes were better tho.
no, it couldn't.
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It could be debated that oscar's classes were better tho.
no, it couldn't.
exactly. give me one class that oscar has got that was better than any of franks.
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Frank in 2011: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2011
oscar in 2015: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2015
I liked oscar's 2013 class too, but most of them went away.
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oscar has also landed a 4* 3 years in a row.
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frank just couldn't recruit point guards. we had nobody to carry the torch from Pullen/Clemente to Angel. Hence Sprads.
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I'm not backing oscar, but it's well known that Frank's recruiting was dipping a bit. Just a bit tho. I'm actually surprised that oscar has recruited decently.
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The product on the floor indicates that Frank recruited better than oscar.
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frank just couldn't recruit point guards. we had nobody to carry the torch from Pullen/Clemente to Angel. Hence Sprads.
other than coaching three of the best pgs in school history during his five years at kstate, he couldn't recruit pgs.
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The product on the floor indicates that Frank recruited better than oscar.
The product was decreasing with Frank once Pullen left tho. Still tourney teams, but they were frustrating teams. I'd obviously take them in a heart beat.
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The product on the floor indicates that Frank recruited better than oscar.
frank just couldn't recruit point guards. we had nobody to carry the torch from Pullen/Clemente to Angel. Hence Sprads.
other than coaching three of the best pgs in school history during his five years at kstate, he couldn't recruit pgs.
Just talking about Sprads - dude had to play PG for us because we had nobody else when Pullen/Clemente left.
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frank just couldn't recruit point guards. we had nobody to carry the torch from Pullen/Clemente to Angel. Hence Sprads.
other than coaching three of the best pgs in school history during his five years at kstate, he couldn't recruit pgs.
Angel is so overrated. Sorry, but he was up and down with us. I know he's a very likable player, but he was very inconsistent.
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The product on the floor indicates that Frank recruited better than oscar.
No - the product on the floor indicates Frank was a better coach than oscar. the recruiting wasn't anything special, IMO.
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The product on the floor indicates that Frank recruited better than oscar.
No - the product on the floor indicates Frank was a better coach than oscar. the recruiting wasn't anything special, IMO.
Frank's recruits won the Big 12 after oscar took over.
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The product on the floor indicates that Frank recruited better than oscar.
No - the product on the floor indicates Frank was a better coach than oscar. the recruiting wasn't anything special, IMO.
Frank's recruits won the Big 12 after oscar took over.
I don't know what to tell you. You've convinced yourself that Frank was an exceptional recruiter. he wasn't. it is what it is. We had some exceptional players (either skilled or athletically or both) enter our program on the Huggs wave. Beasley, Walker, McGruder, Pullen, Jamar, etc. But we just weren't pulling the same level of talent toward the end. I'm sorry. guys like Gip, Shane, Nino, Sprads were all good/decent/average players. This is what our recruiting had devolved into. Pretty decent, average players.
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Frank in 2011: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2011
oscar in 2015: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2015
I liked oscar's 2013 class too, but most of them went away.
wtf 2015? How do you have any idea what those guys are going to be like?
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Just talking about Sprads - dude had to play PG for us because we had nobody else when Pullen/Clemente left.
it's just funny, because if there was one single identifiable factor that marked martin's success at kstate it was that he brought in great point guards.
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It's easy to tally recruting stars.
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Just talking about Sprads - dude had to play PG for us because we had nobody else when Pullen/Clemente left.
it's just funny, because if there was one single identifiable factor that marked martin's success at kstate it was that he brought in great point guards.
haha, OK. Pullen wasn't a PG in the first place. Clemente was very good. Angel was pretty good - much better than anything we have now.
The single identifiable factor that marked martin's success was Junk Yard Catdom. We were super athletic and played insanely hard. That was Frank Martin basketball. it wasn't pretty at times, but we clawed your face off.
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The more I read this thread the more I think Rodney is the most underrated player in K-State history. He carried two different coaches to great things.
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The more I read this thread the more I think Rodney is the most underrated player in K-State history. He carried two different coaches to great things.
This. He was the cog that made oscar's motion go.
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Frank wasn't an exceptional recruiter, but his recruiting wasn't on the downswing when he left.
The more I read this thread the more I think Rodney is the most underrated player in K-State history. He carried two different coaches to great things.
He was great, but didn't carry anything.
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The more I read this thread the more I think Rodney is the most underrated player in K-State history. He carried two different coaches to great things.
very very good player. as far as underrated goes sutton will always get my vote, wasnt a scorer but god damn would that guy eat your face off on d
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Frank wasn't an exceptional recruiter, but his recruiting wasn't on the downswing when he left.
The more I read this thread the more I think Rodney is the most underrated player in K-State history. He carried two different coaches to great things.
He was great, but didn't carry anything.
You must not have followed K-State basketball from 2011-2013.
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Frank in 2011: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2011
oscar in 2015: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2015
I liked oscar's 2013 class too, but most of them went away.
wtf 2015? How do you have any idea what those guys are going to be like?
They're all playing significant minutes. Stokes, Brown, and Wade are good recruits. Jury is still out on the bigs.
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haha, OK. Pullen wasn't a PG in the first place. Clemente was very good. Angel was pretty good - much better than anything we have now.
The single identifiable factor that marked martin's success was Junk Yard Catdom. We were super athletic and played insanely hard. That was Frank Martin basketball. it wasn't pretty at times, but we clawed your face off.
martin's current usc team is junkyard catty as eff. but no pg keeps them from being good. call pullen a pg or a combo or whatever you want. he was a smallish guard that could shoot, defend and handle the ball. if you want a good team you usually need two of them. you're mumped if you don't have at least one.
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Frank wasn't an exceptional recruiter, but his recruiting wasn't on the downswing when he left.
The more I read this thread the more I think Rodney is the most underrated player in K-State history. He carried two different coaches to great things.
He was great, but didn't carry anything.
You must not have followed K-State basketball from 2011-2013.
2 of the top 15 points per 100 seasons since 2002.
So yeah, pretty good.
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Could have sworn frank was ofer in Columbia mo. Maybe i was thinking frank vs anderson, home team won all 8 games
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Frank wasn't an exceptional recruiter, but his recruiting wasn't on the downswing when he left.
The more I read this thread the more I think Rodney is the most underrated player in K-State history. He carried two different coaches to great things.
He was great, but didn't carry anything.
You must not have followed K-State basketball from 2011-2013.
I followed it pretty closely. Angel was the key to success those years.
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Frank in 2011: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2011
oscar in 2015: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2015
I liked oscar's 2013 class too, but most of them went away.
wtf 2015? How do you have any idea what those guys are going to be like?
They're all playing significant minutes. Stokes, Brown, and Wade are good recruits. Jury is still out on the bigs.
okay and thats fine and all, there has to be a bigger spectrum than just minutes played. hell i could even reverse argue that wally judge played significant minutes and we all know how that turned out. wade and brown are good solid d1 recruits stokes is meh with some flashes of potential to be a 3rd team league kinda guy. also i like how you grabbed franks worst class against bruces best.
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Rod carried us to that baylor buzzer beater, but i would listen to arguments that it was all martavious' doing
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Frank in 2011: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2011
oscar in 2015: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2015
I liked oscar's 2013 class too, but most of them went away.
wtf 2015? How do you have any idea what those guys are going to be like?
They're all playing significant minutes. Stokes, Brown, and Wade are good recruits. Jury is still out on the bigs.
okay and thats fine and all, there has to be a bigger spectrum than just minutes played. hell i could even reverse argue that wally judge played significant minutes and we all know how that turned out. wade and brown are good solid d1 recruits stokes is meh with some flashes of potential to be a 3rd team league kinda guy. also i like how you grabbed franks worst class against bruces best.
Well, that was one of his last classes. I was asked to compare. I obviously was trying to make a point that his recruiting was dipping somewhat.
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Rod carried us to that baylor buzzer beater, but i would listen to arguments that it was all martavious' doing
yes martavious knowing that was going in before it left his hand will always be the defining moment of that game
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Might be the defining moment of my bbsn life
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Frank in 2011: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2011
oscar in 2015: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2015
I liked oscar's 2013 class too, but most of them went away.
wtf 2015? How do you have any idea what those guys are going to be like?
They're all playing significant minutes. Stokes, Brown, and Wade are good recruits. Jury is still out on the bigs.
okay and thats fine and all, there has to be a bigger spectrum than just minutes played. hell i could even reverse argue that wally judge played significant minutes and we all know how that turned out. wade and brown are good solid d1 recruits stokes is meh with some flashes of potential to be a 3rd team league kinda guy. also i like how you grabbed franks worst class against bruces best.
Well, that was one of his last classes. I was asked to compare. I obviously was trying to make a point that his recruiting was dipping somewhat.
okay, well let me ask you this. who was the last player that oscar actually recruited that went pro? i ask because frank new talent. oscar starts budke
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Might be the defining moment of my bbsn life
you could say that
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Frank in 2011: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2011
oscar in 2015: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2015
I liked oscar's 2013 class too, but most of them went away.
wtf 2015? How do you have any idea what those guys are going to be like?
They're all playing significant minutes. Stokes, Brown, and Wade are good recruits. Jury is still out on the bigs.
okay and thats fine and all, there has to be a bigger spectrum than just minutes played. hell i could even reverse argue that wally judge played significant minutes and we all know how that turned out. wade and brown are good solid d1 recruits stokes is meh with some flashes of potential to be a 3rd team league kinda guy. also i like how you grabbed franks worst class against bruces best.
Well, that was one of his last classes. I was asked to compare. I obviously was trying to make a point that his recruiting was dipping somewhat.
okay, well let me ask you this. who was the last player that oscar actually recruited that went pro? i ask because frank new talent. oscar starts budke
That's what you're going with? Who was the last guy that Frank recruited, that went pro, without Delonte Hill? Again, Budke is playing because two recruits that came in, have health issues. There's no way of predicting that.
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Frank in 2011: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2011
oscar in 2015: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2015
I liked oscar's 2013 class too, but most of them went away.
wtf 2015? How do you have any idea what those guys are going to be like?
They're all playing significant minutes. Stokes, Brown, and Wade are good recruits. Jury is still out on the bigs.
okay and thats fine and all, there has to be a bigger spectrum than just minutes played. hell i could even reverse argue that wally judge played significant minutes and we all know how that turned out. wade and brown are good solid d1 recruits stokes is meh with some flashes of potential to be a 3rd team league kinda guy. also i like how you grabbed franks worst class against bruces best.
Well, that was one of his last classes. I was asked to compare. I obviously was trying to make a point that his recruiting was dipping somewhat.
okay, well let me ask you this. who was the last player that oscar actually recruited that went pro? i ask because frank new talent. oscar starts budke
That's what you're going with? Who was the last guy that Frank recruited, that went pro, without Delonte Hill? Again, Budke is playing because two recruits that came in, have health issues. There's no way of predicting that.
um yes there is, its called recruiting better players.....budke would be the 4th best player on a rec team. jesus christ.
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He did recruit better players, but they're sick, dude. I don't think Budke was his plan going into the season. If you think so, then some of you are just grasping at straws.
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and to go back to the delonte hill comment who hired delonte? i mean frank put multiple players in the pros our only player with a shot to go pro that oscar has recruited was kicked off the team for smoking rough ridin' weed. i get you dont like frank but if you think im grasping at straws youre nuts
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and to go back to the delonte hill comment who hired delonte? i mean frank put multiple players in the pros our only player with a shot to go pro that oscar has recruited was kicked off the team for smoking rough ridin' weed. i get you dont like frank but if you think im grasping at straws youre nuts
Huggins hired Delonte & had him stick around with Frank because he felt bad. Foster won't go pro, he's too short. Beasley- Delonte & Walker are out of the league. It's a very weird thing to brag about. If that's what you meant by multiple, is 2, 2 guys who didn't last long in the league.
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and to go back to the delonte hill comment who hired delonte? i mean frank put multiple players in the pros our only player with a shot to go pro that oscar has recruited was kicked off the team for smoking rough ridin' weed. i get you dont like frank but if you think im grasping at straws youre nuts
Huggins hired Delonte & had him stick around with Frank because he felt bad. Foster won't go pro, he's too short. Beasley- Delonte & Walker are out of the league. It's a very weird thing to brag about. If that's what you meant by multiple, is 2, 2 guys who didn't last long in the league.
okay fine you want to talk talent level in relation to making the tournament? i mean this is a weird hill for you to die on i can basically refute every point you make about oscar
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This is not a Frank issue with me, it's just a fact issue right now. Frank wasn't bringing in NBA All-Stars the way you're presenting it. Delonte brought in those guys and that's why Maryland is raping teams right now.
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I don't want oscar to stick around, but I feel like with the guys in place, we could see the tourney for the next 3 years, that is, if everyone stays around.
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Delonte brought in those guys and that's why Maryland is raping teams right now.
Uhm, no.
You do know that Dalonte "DUI" Hill hasn't coached since 2013 and spent time in jail in the last year, correct?
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Yeah, but didn't he resign last year? Aren't these his guys?
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This is not a Frank issue with me, it's just a fact issue right now. Frank wasn't bringing in NBA All-Stars the way you're presenting it. Delonte brought in those guys and that's why Maryland is raping teams right now.
no i said pro wacky, i never presented it to make it about all world players. the question was who recruited better talent and its clear who is better at that
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Either way, I still stand by my point. He was a key piece for having those players come to K-State. They weren't there for Frank. Pullen might have been the only guy there for Frank.
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Yeah, but didn't he resign last year? Aren't these his guys?
He resigned in November of 2013. A few might still be guys that he recruited, but they have some really good freshmen and sophomores too.
Pullen came largely because of Hill.
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I don't want oscar to stick around, but I feel like with the guys in place, we could see the tourney for the next 3 years, that is, if everyone stays around.
that, i agree with. Either way, I still stand by my point. He was a key piece for having those players come to K-State. They weren't there for Frank. Pullen might have been the only guy there for Frank.
this, i dont. curtis jamsam denis all those guys still love frank
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I was talking that initial big class, but yeah, those guys were great.
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Frank in 2011: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2011
oscar in 2015: https://kansasstate.n.rivals.com/commitments/basketball/2015
I liked oscar's 2013 class too, but most of them went away.
wtf 2015? How do you have any idea what those guys are going to be like?
They're all playing significant minutes. Stokes, Brown, and Wade are good recruits. Jury is still out on the bigs.
okay and thats fine and all, there has to be a bigger spectrum than just minutes played. hell i could even reverse argue that wally judge played significant minutes and we all know how that turned out. wade and brown are good solid d1 recruits stokes is meh with some flashes of potential to be a 3rd team league kinda guy. also i like how you grabbed franks worst class against bruces best.
Well, that was one of his last classes. I was asked to compare. I obviously was trying to make a point that his recruiting was dipping somewhat.
okay, well let me ask you this. who was the last player that oscar actually recruited that went pro? i ask because frank new talent. oscar starts budke
Prob Miles Leonard.
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:thumbs:
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jay price recruited leonard
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and its meyers not miles
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jay price recruited leonard
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jay-price-6b5773b (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jay-price-6b5773b)
:eek:
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jay price recruited leonard
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jay-price-6b5773b (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jay-price-6b5773b)
:eek:
Weird. I just did the same thing.
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jay price recruited leonard
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jay-price-6b5773b (https://www.linkedin.com/in/jay-price-6b5773b)
:eek:
Weird. I just did the same thing.
First thing that pops up when you Google "Jay Price Illinois". I've never seen that happen for a coach before.
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and its meyers not miles
miles, meyers, who gives a crap?
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and its meyers not miles
miles, meyers, who gives a crap?
meh, wasnt meaning for it to come off that way. just trying to prove my point
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frank just couldn't recruit point guards. we had nobody to carry the torch from Pullen/Clemente to Angel. Hence Sprads.
other than coaching three of the best pgs in school history during his five years at kstate, he couldn't recruit pgs.
Angel is so overrated. Sorry, but he was up and down with us. I know he's a very likable player, but he was very inconsistent.
Did you forget that Angel was a true freshman point guard when he played for Frank?
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and to go back to the delonte hill comment who hired delonte? i mean frank put multiple players in the pros our only player with a shot to go pro that oscar has recruited was kicked off the team for smoking rough ridin' weed. i get you dont like frank but if you think im grasping at straws youre nuts
Huggins hired Delonte & had him stick around with Frank because he felt bad. Foster won't go pro, he's too short. Beasley- Delonte & Walker are out of the league. It's a very weird thing to brag about. If that's what you meant by multiple, is 2, 2 guys who didn't last long in the league.
that's not what happened at all. Hill stayed because of money. We payed him money.
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frank just couldn't recruit point guards. we had nobody to carry the torch from Pullen/Clemente to Angel. Hence Sprads.
other than coaching three of the best pgs in school history during his five years at kstate, he couldn't recruit pgs.
Angel is so overrated. Sorry, but he was up and down with us. I know he's a very likable player, but he was very inconsistent.
Did you forget that Angel was a true freshman point guard when he played for Frank?
No, I just feel like Nigel was comparable his sophomore year. I liked Angel, but I remember being frustrated with him a lot. I was impressed with Stokes this year too.
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and to go back to the delonte hill comment who hired delonte? i mean frank put multiple players in the pros our only player with a shot to go pro that oscar has recruited was kicked off the team for smoking rough ridin' weed. i get you dont like frank but if you think im grasping at straws youre nuts
Huggins hired Delonte & had him stick around with Frank because he felt bad. Foster won't go pro, he's too short. Beasley- Delonte & Walker are out of the league. It's a very weird thing to brag about. If that's what you meant by multiple, is 2, 2 guys who didn't last long in the league.
that's not what happened at all. Hill stayed because of money. We payed him money.
Well yeah, that happened too.
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Rodney had better style than Angel.
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frank just couldn't recruit point guards. we had nobody to carry the torch from Pullen/Clemente to Angel. Hence Sprads.
other than coaching three of the best pgs in school history during his five years at kstate, he couldn't recruit pgs.
Angel is so overrated. Sorry, but he was up and down with us. I know he's a very likable player, but he was very inconsistent.
Did you forget that Angel was a true freshman point guard when he played for Frank?
No, I just feel like Nigel was comparable his sophomore year. I liked Angel, but I remember being frustrated with him a lot. I was impressed with Stokes this year too.
Wut
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and to go back to the delonte hill comment who hired delonte? i mean frank put multiple players in the pros our only player with a shot to go pro that oscar has recruited was kicked off the team for smoking rough ridin' weed. i get you dont like frank but if you think im grasping at straws youre nuts
Huggins hired Delonte & had him stick around with Frank because he felt bad. Foster won't go pro, he's too short. Beasley- Delonte & Walker are out of the league. It's a very weird thing to brag about. If that's what you meant by multiple, is 2, 2 guys who didn't last long in the league.
that's not what happened at all. Hill stayed because of money. We payed him money.
Delonte420k has been forgotten. Currie has erased everything.
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anyone discounting the players oscar has brought in is doing it wrong
this team has some freshman playing a lot of minutes and contributing, the frank vs oscar recruiting battle being played out is dumbstick bbs'n imo
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frank just couldn't recruit point guards. we had nobody to carry the torch from Pullen/Clemente to Angel. Hence Sprads.
other than coaching three of the best pgs in school history during his five years at kstate, he couldn't recruit pgs.
Angel is so overrated. Sorry, but he was up and down with us. I know he's a very likable player, but he was very inconsistent.
Did you forget that Angel was a true freshman point guard when he played for Frank?
No, I just feel like Nigel was comparable his sophomore year. I liked Angel, but I remember being frustrated with him a lot. I was impressed with Stokes this year too.
so frank recruited pullen, denis and angel but he couldn't recruit point guards and angel and nigel were comparable players at kstate?
i mean i've read some dumbfucks post some dumbfuck posts, but in terms of back to back dumbfuckery, you two dumbfucks take the dumbfuck cake or whatever saying fits here. dumbfucks being the keyword.
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The more I read this thread the more I think Rodney is the most underrated player in K-State history. He carried two different coaches to great things.
Rodney won't get the nostalgia years from now that guys like Pullen will, that's true, but I do feel like people valued McGruder a lot while he was here. People knew he was the reason we were so successful. Underrated historically? Very. Most underrated? Possibly, certainly could make the case for that, but if we're talking super underrated I'll always have a soft spot for David Hoskins. :blush:
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To be fair, Frank use to have HS point guard factory. But those day seem to be over. JJ Barea is franks best point guard land, imo.
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To be fair, Frank use to have HS point guard factory. But those day seem to be over. JJ Barea is franks best point guard land, imo.
great point, dumbfuck.
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What if we fired Currie and hired frank back? Is that too crazy to work? I mean he can't be happy at that tier 3 school in a shitty basketball league. 'Te can come back too.
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What if we fired Currie and hired frank back? Is that too crazy to work? I mean he can't be happy at that tier 3 school in a shitty basketball league. 'Te can come back too.
i thought the master plan was for Underwood to be the head coach with Frank as the assistant.
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and its meyers not miles
miles, meyers, who gives a crap?
meh, wasnt meaning for it to come off that way. just trying to prove my point
never miss an opportunity to make a thinly veiled Happy Gilmore joke.
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Rowdy is being mean. :frown:
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The more I read this thread the more I think Rodney is the most underrated player in K-State history. He carried two different coaches to great things.
Rodney won't get the nostalgia years from now that guys like Pullen will, that's true, but I do feel like people valued McGruder a lot while he was here. People knew he was the reason we were so successful. Underrated historically? Very. Most underrated? Possibly, certainly could make the case for that, but if we're talking super underrated I'll always have a soft spot for David Hoskins. :blush:
Loved to watch Rod play. One of my alltime favorites. Good guy too. Ran into him and Wally J in Aggieville last June and visited with them for 15 min. Seemed like good dudes.
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I was just trying to say I've felt pretty good with Nigel, Stokes, & Brown since Angel left. They've produced. I just felt like I had many more headaches from Angel as young PG than I have had with Nigel as a SO, and stokes and brown as FR. Nigel pretty much beat KU last year by himself.
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Man, no he didn't. He had a great game but lets not overstate it.
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I'm not saying I'm not a dumb duck like Rowdy suggested, I mean that's very much possible, but I thought Nigel was pretty great in the 2nd half of the season last year and I love our FR PG's this year.
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I do admit my hate for Frank is very bizarre. He was pretty great in real life. I just think he's full of crap. Preaching one thing and doing the complete opposite by leaving when times got tough. :dunno:
My dislike for Frank is selfish. Kruger left us in 1990 for Florida. Several years later he has them in the FF. That is tough to take. It stings because you think it could have been us. I liked Frank because he was winning and established a brand for K-State basketball that I liked. But if he were to be highly successful at SC and get to another FF, it would hurt. I am pissed at Frank for leaving and pissed at Currie for not being able to co-exist.
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Angel's PG'n f'n Miami in the top 15 right now, and wearing a gE shirt while doing so.
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Angel's PG'n f'n Miami in the top 15 right now, and wearing a gE shirt while doing so.
yep, and 5th yr Sr Angel >> Fr Angel
Anybody who disputes Angel was not a good player during Titletown is being a jackass.
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I think he was a good PG, I just don't think he was "great"! He pissed me off at the FT line down the stretch of many games.
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Nigel is more of a two than a combo. He was as terrible as he was good at times. Stokes is one of the better point guards that oscar has ever landed. Frank has has landed four 1st or 2nd team conference point guards.
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Angel's PG'n f'n Miami in the top 15 right now, and wearing a gE shirt while doing so.
yep, and 5th yr Sr Angel >> Fr Angel
Anybody who disputes Angel was not a good player during Titletown is being a jackass.
Angel's best year might be his sophomore year.
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Angel's PG'n f'n Miami in the top 15 right now, and wearing a gE shirt while doing so.
it was beautiful last night when he took over the second half.
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I don't think saying oscar has recruited better than I thought he would is crazy. Overall, yes, Frank recruited well too, but not at the level he was at when Delonte was around. He's recruited really well at SC. Better than he had his last two years at K-State. It just takes those recruits a little while to be productive there.
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Angel's PG'n f'n Miami in the top 15 right now, and wearing a gE shirt while doing so.
yep, and 5th yr Sr Angel >> Fr Angel
Yes, should've.kept them.
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He should be overseas right now, but ok. They sat him last year during the NIT due to "injury"
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Angel's PG'n f'n Miami in the top 15 right now, and wearing a gE shirt while doing so.
it was beautiful last night when he took over the second half.
He was very happy. We were only the 2nd flag there, and the only one being raised all night.
Our 2nd favorite guy was 7-foot "old Dom."
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I don't think saying oscar has recruited better than I thought he would is crazy. Overall, yes, Frank recruited well too, but not at the level he was at when Delonte was around. He's recruited really well at SC. Better than he had his last two years at K-State. It just takes those recruits a little while to be productive there.
Non-elite, but reasonably successful, coaches usually have ups and downs in recruiting. Like, Frank was killing it with Te and then he has a couple years where he was just pulling in solid classes. Classes that I'd kill to have now btw. At SC he has landed some 4* kids, because things bounce back for guys like Frank, because he has a winner's mentality. If recruiting starts to slide a little, he gets some new blood in there and they get after it. Frank will never pull in consistent top 25 classes, but he'll snag one every once in awhile, and the other classes will all still be solid. Compare that to giving Vulture a scholly because there literally isn't anyone better who will come to your school...
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He was very happy. We were only the 2nd flag there, and the only one being raised all night.
Our 2nd favorite guy was 7-foot "old Dom."
it kinda pissed me off that he kept throwing dobs and his dumbass teammates kept not dobbing them.
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He was very happy. We were only the 2nd flag there, and the only one being raised all night.
Our 2nd favorite guy was 7-foot "old Dom."
it kinda pissed me off that he kept throwing dobs and his dumbass teammates kept not dobbing them.
Yes, very frustrating.
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if martin was recruiting better at usc than he did at kstate, he'd have a better team than he does.
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sys, I'll have a semi-platinum story for you next chat.
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I don't think saying oscar has recruited better than I thought he would is crazy. Overall, yes, Frank recruited well too, but not at the level he was at when Delonte was around. He's recruited really well at SC. Better than he had his last two years at K-State. It just takes those recruits a little while to be productive there.
Non-elite, but reasonably successful, coaches usually have ups and downs in recruiting. Like, Frank was killing it with Te and then he has a couple years where he was just pulling in solid classes. Classes that I'd kill to have now btw. At SC he has landed some 4* kids, because things bounce back for guys like Frank, because he has a winner's mentality. If recruiting starts to slide a little, he gets some new blood in there and they get after it. Frank will never pull in consistent top 25 classes, but he'll snag one every once in awhile, and the other classes will all still be solid. Compare that to giving Vulture a scholly because there literally isn't anyone better who will come to your school...
This is totally on point. I'm happy for Frank tho. I'm impressed that there's top 150 kids that are willing to take on his coaching style. He's a great life coach by the end of the day.
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if martin was recruiting better at usc than he did at kstate, he'd have a better team than he does.
Having your PG be the best player on your team covers a multitude of sins, like Chris Merriwether, or however tf you spell his name.
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Check his classes sys. At least ranking wise.
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I think he was a good PG, I just don't think he was "great"! He pissed me off at the FT line down the stretch of many games.
Angel was really incredible at assists. His rate of 11.7 per 100 possessions as a sophomore is still the best (by far) over the last 15 years. His assist to TO ratio that year was 2.2 good for 4th. His freshman year assists per 100 at 8.6 is 7th.
He would have been remembered as one of the best PGs ever at K-State (if not the best) if he had stayed for 4 years.
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I do agree with the assists. I remember his play @ Mizzou like yesterday. That's obviously the main point of the position. I guess I've just been focusing too much at scoring at the pg position. His wrap around passes at the basket were/are the best!
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Dnr a lot of this. But we all agree with the op right? Ok. Carry on.
#TheWesIsTheFuture
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I've been bbs'n for awhile, someone link me to this OP stuff. Other than me thinking it's a racist thing.
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Angel was really incredible at assists.
look at his conf. only stats on his kenpom career pg. just amazing.
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sys, I'll have a semi-platinum story for you next chat.
:excited:
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Check his classes sys. At least ranking wise.
recruit rank is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) way to evaluate how good a recruit was, after they've played at least a year or two in college.
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I think he was a good PG, I just don't think he was "great"! He pissed me off at the FT line down the stretch of many games.
Angel was really incredible at assists. His rate of 11.7 per 100 possessions as a sophomore is still the best (by far) over the last 15 years. His assist to TO ratio that year was 2.2 good for 4th. His freshman year assists per 100 at 8.6 is 7th.
He would have been remembered as one of the best PGs ever at K-State (if not the best) if he had stayed for 4 years.
he was also voted onto the all big 12 defensive team which is pretty amazing for a sophomore
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Unfortunately, this is how I'll always remember Angel!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=330812306
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Unfortunately, this is how I'll always remember Angel!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=330812306
And that's how I will always remember the biggest loser coach to ever coach at Kstate
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Unfortunately, this is how I'll always remember Angel!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=330812306
you also probably remember jake for the last ten seconds of that Wisconsin game. two kstate players that you think were overrated, inconsistent and comparable to sophomore nigel johnson, which to be fair would make perfect sense because you're a complete dumbass.
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I've never, ever, called Pullen overrated, dumbass!
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Rowdy really grasping at straws here, folks! You better like what he likes, or you're a complete dumbass! :shakesfist:
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Rowdy really grasping at straws here, folks! You better like what he likes, or you're a complete dumbass! :shakesfist:
if you can't see that saying angel and nigel johnson were comparable is dumb then I'm not sure what else to say. one was voted to the all big twelve defensive team and overall all big 12 second team and the other was nigel johnson.
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rowdy :love:
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thank you for this Rowdy
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Rowdy really grasping at straws here, folks! You better like what he likes, or you're a complete dumbass! :shakesfist:
if you can't see that saying angel and nigel johnson were comparable is dumb then I'm not sure what else to say. one was voted to the all big twelve defensive team and overall all big 12 second team and the other was nigel johnson.
That's almost the same
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One showed up in big games and the other didn't. :love:
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Would you like to retract your made up Pullen comment, please?
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Anyone who wants to discuss Nigel needs to take it to the Players Who You Forgot Played At KSU thread.
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Of all the hills to die on, Nigel Johnson may be the Wacky-est.
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:gocho:
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Nigel played in 62 games for K-State and only scored in 40 of them.
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Nigel played in 62 games for K-State and only scored in 40 of them.
How many of those games did he have limited playing time because of that other crap face PG?
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at this point, I am about 80% sure that Wacky is in fact Nigel Johnson. :surprised:
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at this point, I am about 80% sure that Wacky is in fact Nigel Johnson. :surprised:
Yes. This is perhaps some of the weirdest posting from wacky that I've seen. I guess the recency effect must be in full force. ISU and KU were like the only 2 really good games Nigel had in his entire career at K-State. They were the anomalies of his entire career at K-State besides a few good early OOC games last year.
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Wacky, Nigel Johnson was a very objectively bad point guard. He never even sniffed a 2-1 a/to ratio. The closest he got was 1.5/1, and that is just terrible. He was bad at basketball. He buoyed his 3p% his sophomore year by having three out of body experience type games, but other than that, he was a bad shooter as well (shooting 20% from behind the arc in all other games, and under 30% his freshman year as well, which was also buoyed by a couple of ridiculous performances surrounded by 17% shooting from behind the arc in all other freshman contests). He sucked. Anything positive to be found in his stats can be linked back to a handful of games, literally like five good games in two years of college basketball. He was horrible. We are so bad now that he actually would have value on this team, but that is an indictment of oscar's recruiting and in no way an endorsement of Nigel's Johnson basketball skill, which was minimal.
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Rowdy really grasping at straws here, folks! You better like what he likes, or you're a complete dumbass! :shakesfist:
if you can't see that saying angel and nigel johnson were comparable is dumb then I'm not sure what else to say. one was voted to the all big twelve defensive team and overall all big 12 second team and the other was nigel johnson.
Until this post I literally could not even remember Nigel's last name. I saw a long string of posts in a row simply calling him Nigel, and for the life of me I just could not remember it.
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Wacky, Nigel Johnson was a very objectively bad point guard. He never even sniffed a 2-1 a/to ratio. The closest he got was 1.5/1, and that is just terrible. He was bad at basketball. He buoyed his 3p% his sophomore year by having three out of body experience type games, but other than that, he was a bad shooter as well (shooting 20% from behind the arc in all other games, and under 30% his freshman year as well, which was also buoyed by a couple of ridiculous performances surrounded by 17% shooting from behind the arc in all other freshman contests). He sucked. Anything positive to be found in his stats can be linked back to a handful of games, literally like five good games in two years of college basketball. He was horrible. We are so bad now that he actually would have value on this team, but that is an indictment of oscar's recruiting and in no way an endorsement of Nigel's Johnson basketball skill, which was minimal.
Wacky, don't listen to this guy. I enjoyed watching you play when you played.
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There's no way to back this up statistically other than his minutes played, but Nigel couldn't guard anyone.
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Wacky, Nigel Johnson was a very objectively bad point guard. He never even sniffed a 2-1 a/to ratio. The closest he got was 1.5/1, and that is just terrible. He was bad at basketball. He buoyed his 3p% his sophomore year by having three out of body experience type games, but other than that, he was a bad shooter as well (shooting 20% from behind the arc in all other games, and under 30% his freshman year as well, which was also buoyed by a couple of ridiculous performances surrounded by 17% shooting from behind the arc in all other freshman contests). He sucked. Anything positive to be found in his stats can be linked back to a handful of games, literally like five good games in two years of college basketball. He was horrible. We are so bad now that he actually would have value on this team, but that is an indictment of oscar's recruiting and in no way an endorsement of Nigel's Johnson basketball skill, which was minimal.
I don't think he would have much value this year; Brown and Stokes are much better players. He might get minutes over Ervin.
Johnson was a big reason we beat KU and ISU, so in a way I can see why wacky is overvaluing his play, but its still really weird.
Also, I often morphed Nigel with Wesley and kept calling one or the other "Wesley Johnson", who was actually the former Cyclone and Orangeman who is now in the NBA.
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There's no way to back this up statistically other than his minutes played, but Nigel couldn't guard anyone.
He was really good at steals, but that doesn't make him a good defender.
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I like Nigel. I miss liking our players.
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Nigel played in 62 games for K-State and only scored in 40 of them.
How many of those games did he have limited playing time because of that other crap face PG?
More limited by him sucking
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Wacky, Nigel Johnson was a very objectively bad point guard. He never even sniffed a 2-1 a/to ratio. The closest he got was 1.5/1, and that is just terrible. He was bad at basketball. He buoyed his 3p% his sophomore year by having three out of body experience type games, but other than that, he was a bad shooter as well (shooting 20% from behind the arc in all other games, and under 30% his freshman year as well, which was also buoyed by a couple of ridiculous performances surrounded by 17% shooting from behind the arc in all other freshman contests). He sucked. Anything positive to be found in his stats can be linked back to a handful of games, literally like five good games in two years of college basketball. He was horrible. We are so bad now that he actually would have value on this team, but that is an indictment of oscar's recruiting and in no way an endorsement of Nigel's Johnson basketball skill, which was minimal.
I don't think he would have much value this year; Brown and Stokes are much better players. He might get minutes over Ervin.
Johnson was a big reason we beat KU and ISU, so in a way I can see why wacky is overvaluing his play, but its still really weird.
Also, I often morphed Nigel with Wesley and kept calling one or the other "Wesley Johnson", who was actually the former Cyclone and Orangeman who is now in the NBA.
Ervin most likely doesn't get recruited if Nigel is still here, that's all I was saying. He would have backed up Stokes. There's some value in that, not a lot, but some.
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:lol: Fine, you guys win. I'm off of work. Have a great day! Rowdy- 1 Wacky- 0. :D till next time. :emawkid:
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I like Nigel. I miss liking our players.
I don't particularly care for our seniors, but I like the rest of this team.
I really like DJamer, Stokes, Brown, and Wade. I go back and forth with Wes, but mainly like him. I'd take all of those guys over Nigel.
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I just clicked on this thread for the first time in a couple of days and I'm not sure what the hell is going on with all the Nigel Johnson talk. Is it worth going back a few pages to see how it started??
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Okay my curiosity got the best of me so I went back and found where the Nigel Johnson talk started. Oh Wacky :lol: :D
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:D
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To be fair, basketball really is basically a two game season for ole wackster.
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I like Nigel. I miss liking our players.
I don't particularly care for our seniors, but I like the rest of this team.
I really like DJamer, Stokes, Brown, and Wade. I go back and forth with Wes, but mainly like him. I'd take all of those guys over Nigel.
I really don't see how Wade will be a decent player unless he gets away from oscar and then it looks iffy
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To be fair, basketball really is basically a two game season for ole wackster.
:lol:
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11-8 vs the SEC. Only had to play UK, A&M, LSU, and Vandy once each. #62 RPI and #128 SOS. One top 50 win.
Best of luck to the Gamecocks in the NIT.
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Maybe next year!
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Lunardi scratched SC to last four out :frown:
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They pretty much called them a bunch of trash dicks. :frown:
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Vitale said they deserve to be in during this morning game.
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There are 5 or 6 mid major teams that are more deserving of a bid than SC. They have one win vs the projected field and a handful of horrible losses.
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How can you be in a P5 conference and only played 2 games against the RPI Top 50? Does that happen often? Georgia is 63rd.
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The SEC is probably the 7th or 8th best conference this year. It has 2 very good teams and the rest is dog crap.
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https://twitter.com/JimMWeber/status/709060324025102342
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Their profile is trash but you can't objectively put WSU in and USC out, they both have one great win and not much else. WSU has 3 top 100 wins, USC has 8. WSU's marquee win was at home, USC's was on the road.
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Sorry Frank. Not sorry
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The SEC is probably the 7th or 8th best conference this year. It has 2 very good teams and the rest is dog crap.
it is 6th. and actually closer to 2nd than 7th.
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The SEC is probably the 7th or 8th best conference this year. It has 2 very good teams and the rest is dog crap.
it is 6th. and actually closer to 2nd than 7th.
I would take the top half of the A10 over the top half of the SEC.
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I would take the top half of the A10 over the top half of the SEC.
sec - 8, 16, 26, 44, 50, 65, 69
a10 - 35, 37, 53, 77, 79, 90, 106
you'd lose.
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So much SEC hate.
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Well, this is terrific news.
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https://twitter.com/SethDavisHoops/status/709109900509638656
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YEAR 123456789
NCAA x xxx
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You know who's sweating USC's tourney bid? oscar.
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I think vandy just stole Frank's spot :angry:
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I think vandy just stole Frank's spot :angry:
and thats disgusting
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i'm going to feel really dumb if they get left out, i promised sys that they were in just 2 weeks back
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i'm going to feel really dumb if they get left out, i promised sys that they were in just 2 weeks back
Bracket got leaked, they are out
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wow, the wva - sfa match up
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i don't see how you put vandy in and leave usc out. they're basically the same in mediocre confy wins, but vandy has good losses instead of bad wins ooc.
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wow, the wva - sfa match up
that is mumped up. what complete bullshit.
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oscar tried to warn us about the schedulemakers. :cry:
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i don't see how you put vandy in and leave usc out. they're basically the same in mediocre confy wins, but vandy has good losses instead of bad wins ooc.
Vandy beat aTm and UK and didn't have as many bad losses. Plus played some decent teams in the OOC. I can see it.
wow, the wva - sfa match up
Fantastic. Best 2 teams at forcing TOs in the country. Can't wait.
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I hope they interview some of the snubbed teams coaches now :excited:
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Vandy beat aTm and UK and didn't have as many bad losses. Plus played some decent teams in the OOC. I can see it.
they lost to all of those decent teams in the ooc.
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Breathe easy now, oscar.
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Breathe easy now, oscar.
Not if we have to play him in the NIT :Wha:
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Tulsa and Vandy over USC is unreal.
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Tulsa and Vandy over USC is unreal.
How is Vandy unreal?
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I don't find any of the tournament snubs unreal really. These things happen every year, the fault is in teams putting themselves into the position that one of the committee's subjective criteria can be used to leave you out.
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Tulsa and Vandy over USC is unreal.
How is Vandy unreal?
USC has more overall wins, more wins against the top 100, more road wins and beat Vanderbilt head-to-head; Vandy has a significantly better RPI but the committee proved they didn't care about that.
I don't find any of the tournament snubs unreal really. These things happen every year, the fault is in teams putting themselves into the position that one of the committee's subjective criteria can be used to leave you out.
That's a cop out. Yes, the teams need to win and not put themselves on the bubble but there will always be teams on the bubble and the committee has a job to do just like the committee does. This committee managed to do the following
1. Put a team in with the worst ever RPI.
2. Not only did the committee put Syracuse in but they gave them a comfortable seed. Letting them use a coach suspension who their governing body suspended because of rules violations is a joke on several levels.
3. First time an eligible 24 win power 5 team was excluded.
4. Put a team in with the lowest strength of record for at large in tournament history.
5. Excluding a mid-major who is #30 in the RPI with 7 top 100 wins and 3 top 25 wins, two of these on the road and including a mid-major with an RPI of 58 with 7 top 100 wins and one to 25 win is criminal.
Any one or even two of these things in a given year is meh, all of them happening and more in one season is failure.
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I'll agree with a large part of that. Honestly, I don't like Frank and am quite happy when successes don't find him.
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And I need this thread to keep holding water for my self esteem.
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Frank's coaching brains currently reside in Nacogdoches Texas.
You can't limp and sputter down the stretch, go 0-3 against dumbstick, get absolutely destroyed at home by 1 of the 2 Top 50 teams you play all year and not have serious questions about making the tournament.
FrankenFebDisaster did USC in.
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I wonder what the highest January ranking is for a team that ended up not making the tournament is? Seems like usc was top 10 in January.
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Frank Haith must know where Mark Emmert buried some dead bodies or something. Only explanation for how his last 5 years has unfolded.
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Frank's coaching brains currently reside in Nacogdoches Texas.
You can't limp and sputter down the stretch, go 0-3 against dumbstick, get absolutely destroyed at home by 1 of the 2 Top 50 teams you play all year and not have serious questions about making the tournament.
FrankenFebDisaster did USC in.
Are you incapable of placing your weird Frank deal aside to see the garbage job the committee did? Tulsa lost to a team appreciably worse than Georgia twice out of its last three games by 10 and 22 points. And again USC beat Tulsa. USC didn't get in so it is what it is but there are two at large teams inarguably worse than USC.
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Tulsa and Vandy are real head scratchers. Hopefully Frank can make it happen next year. This certainly appeared to be his window of opportunity though.
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Syracuse getting in was bullshit too.
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There is just so much subjectivity and I believe it happens every year. I don't get mad at this stuff at all.
There is decent rationale here. I agree that the criteria is a moving target, but it has to be when comparing these teams.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/112470/the-committee-got-so-much-wrong-and-here-is-how
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Cal gave a great interview
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I heard cussing in the distance.last night. So bad coyotes were howling. Now I know why.
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USCe handed their resume to get jobbed by the committee over on a silver platter with a 4-6 Feb and March.
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I wonder what the highest January ranking is for a team that ended up not making the tournament is? Seems like usc was top 10 in January.
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1996-97 Michigan was in the top 10 for half the season and didn't make it.
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Auburn is going to be competitive next year and Alabama will be improved. Florida will likely be much better and A&M and Kentucky are going to remain at the top. He may not make it again next year either.
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Honestly, he should do the Frank Haith job reset. He should leave that shitty job and go to a good mid major, a job in the AAC, A10, or Big East would be ideal.
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Honestly, he should do the Frank Haith job reset. He should leave that shitty job and go to a good mid major, a job in the AAC, A10, or Big East would be ideal.
Yep, not a bad idea. UCF might be nice.
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Except that's also kind of a shitty job
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Those jobs will give him more time and the hill isn't as high to climb. He can absolutely scheme his way into good seasons easier at Tulane and UCF than he could at USC.
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Memphis!
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Not so good without undy and delonte
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If Frank came to Tulane I would be at every game. :love:
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USCe handed their resume to get jobbed by the committee over on a silver platter with a 4-6 Feb and March.
There were a bunch of teams that were absolute crap down the stretch but were in. USCw was 3-7 and got in comfortably. I'm pretty sure they don't have a win as good as SC @ A&M too.
With the field at 68 now, I have a much harder time thinking a team was egregiously robbed. IMO, Frank deserved to be in but was punished for his laughable non-con schedule. I think playing a tournament team, even if it would've meant a loss, would have helped the resume enormously. The committee usually rewards a non-major with a tough non-con so I don't really have a problem with them punishing the opposite.
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USCe handed their resume to get jobbed by the committee over on a silver platter with a 4-6 Feb and March.
There were a bunch of teams that were absolute crap down the stretch but were in. USCw was 3-7 and got in comfortably. I'm pretty sure they don't have a win as good as SC @ A&M too.
With the field at 68 now, I have a much harder time thinking a team was egregiously robbed. IMO, Frank deserved to be in but was punished for his laughable non-con schedule. I think playing a tournament team, even if it would've meant a loss, would have helped the resume enormously. The committee usually rewards a non-major with a tough non-con so I don't really have a problem with them punishing the opposite.
Which why I used the word "jobbed".
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Can't believe it hasn't been mentioned that SC beat Tulsa on a neutral floor. A little bit of a paradox that they were punished for not having enough top 50 wins because Tulsa wasn't in the top 50.
Literally, a team they beat was better than them because that team wasn't quite good enough by the NCAA's standards.
The same could be said about Vanderbilt.
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Can't believe it hasn't been mentioned that SC beat Tulsa on a neutral floor. A little bit of a paradox that they were punished for not having enough top 50 wins because Tulsa wasn't in the top 50.
Literally, a team they beat was better than them because that team wasn't quite good enough by the NCAA's standards.
The same could be said about Vanderbilt.
Yeah, this is a great case where top 50 wins becomes really goofy. Tulsa finished with 4, Vandy with 2, and South Carolina with only 1, but none of these teams finished in the Top 50 in the RPI. So South Carolina beats what ended up being 2 tournament teams, but they didn't really get much credit because neither showed up as Top 50 wins.
This is where the committee has to make the next move and adjust the value of top 50 wins for winning on the road, at home, or a neutral venues. This is where kenpom's Tier A and B lists for teams can become helpful and there is no reason the committee couldn't adopt a similar criteria with the RPI.
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USCe handed their resume to get jobbed by the committee over on a silver platter with a 4-6 Feb and March.
There were a bunch of teams that were absolute crap down the stretch but were in. USCw was 3-7 and got in comfortably. I'm pretty sure they don't have a win as good as SC @ A&M too.
the field at 68 now, I have a much harder time thinking a team was egregiously robbed. IMO, Frank deserved to be in but was punished for his laughable non-con schedule. I think playing a tournament team, even if it would've meant a loss, would have helped the resume enormously. The committee usually rewards a non-major with a tough non-con so I don't really have a problem with them punishing the opposite.
This is where I fall too. Its fun to discuss the rationale behind these decisions and their flaws, but once you get to picking teams at this point there is going to be faulty logic somewhere because many of these teams just aren't that great.
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I think this is the first year the committee truly told Lunardi to get mumped.
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I think this is the first year the committee truly told Lunardi to get mumped.
He wrote an article the day after and was very salty. Basically said Tulsa was negligence and that the committee is slipping.
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I have no sympathy if you lose to Missouri. None.
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Also, with no Louisville, if you're the 1st team out, you're really the 2nd team out etc. No one can complain when Louisville opened up a slot. That goes for the NIT also.
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Also, with no Louisville, if you're the 1st team out, you're really the 2nd team out etc. No one can complain when Louisville opened up a slot. That goes for the NIT also.
SMU too
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There's no way he was the first team out. That had to Monmouth..
Also, jfc, I just looked at Vandy's resume. :facepalm:
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There's a really sad slideshow here:
http://www.wltx.com/sports/ncaa/usc-gamecocks/uscs-martin-on-ncaa-snub-its-disappointing/81150705
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Guayabera!
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oh god... a pep band, children dressed as cheerleaders, they really went all out
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they should really just do a bcs for at large selections. in fact they should bcs the seedings too. week by week updates!
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Frank and oscar sure do have different ways of talking about their players.
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There's no way he was the first team out. That had to Monmouth..
Also, jfc, I just looked at Vandy's resume. :facepalm:
Castiglione was very dismissive of SC in his interview on Sunday night. He had positive things to say about Monmouth, Valpo, and St. Bonaventure, but when it came to SC he was pretty much like "LOL no!"
Vandy was BITB at scheduling several good noncon games and losing all of them.
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i think it's funny that they put haith in the tournament given his recent fuckings in the ass of the ncaa rulebook
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i think it's funny that they put haith in the tournament given his recent fuckings in the ass of the ncaa rulebook
Tulsa is indefensible
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The same could be said about Boeheim and Syracuse.
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And Michigan
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Schedule makers really mumped Frank IMO.
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The same could be said about Boeheim and Syracuse.
you could say the same about boeheim and syracuse as i did about haith and tulsa, but you'd sound like a mongloid doing it.
i mean really.
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The same could be said about Boeheim and Syracuse.
you could say the same about boeheim and syracuse as i did about haith and tulsa, but you'd sound like a mongloid doing it.
i mean really.
Boeheim is coming off of a suspension and the Cuse were ineligible for the postseason last year, but sure let's give them the benefit of the doubt with their shaky tourney resume in 2016.
Not exactly an apples to apples comparison with Haith and Tulsa, but there are some similarities.
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https://twitter.com/dcaraviello/status/709855904162848769
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:surprised:
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:lol: So Frank. When it doesn't matter.
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https://twitter.com/dcaraviello/status/709855904162848769
:lol: So Frank. When it doesn't matter.
blanton, 1.5ppg
cobb, 1 ppg
gregory, 1.7 ppg
silva, 5.4 ppg
stroman, 2.3 ppg
it never mattered
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Man those guys wanted to taste the NIT so bad and Frank crushed them.
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They had plans for Springbreak.
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They had plans for Springbreak.
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
i wonder if they were randolph'd
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48-43 usc over high point @ half
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The same could be said about Boeheim and Syracuse.
you could say the same about boeheim and syracuse as i did about haith and tulsa, but you'd sound like a mongloid doing it.
i mean really.
Boeheim is coming off of a suspension and the Cuse were ineligible for the postseason last year, but sure let's give them the benefit of the doubt with their shaky tourney resume in 2016.
Not exactly an apples to apples comparison with Haith and Tulsa, but there are some similarities.
Anyone with a functioning brain knows the Boeheim thing is way worse. Haith mumped Mizzou, I mean they have a post season ban this year and Haith is yoloing his ass off in the tourney. But not only did Boeheim eff up at his current school, but the committee excused his team's performance while he was suspended. You can't make this crap up. I wonder if someone on the infractions committee called one of their buddies on the tournament committee and was like :comeatme:
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I thought Townie was talking about the actual effing in the a that went down at Syracuse a few years back
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The same could be said about Boeheim and Syracuse.
you could say the same about boeheim and syracuse as i did about haith and tulsa, but you'd sound like a mongloid doing it.
i mean really.
Boeheim is coming off of a suspension and the Cuse were ineligible for the postseason last year, but sure let's give them the benefit of the doubt with their shaky tourney resume in 2016.
Not exactly an apples to apples comparison with Haith and Tulsa, but there are some similarities.
Anyone with a functioning brain knows the Boeheim thing is way worse. Haith mumped Mizzou, I mean they have a post season ban this year and Haith is yoloing his ass off in the tourney. But not only did Boeheim eff up at his current school, but the committee excused his team's performance while he was suspended. You can't make this crap up. I wonder if someone on the infractions committee called one of their buddies on the tournament committee and was like :comeatme:
you're really half assing it lately. anyone with half a brain realizes that the ncaa investigation into haith and missouri is still active. the extent to which haith "mumped up" at his school isn't known publically. that's on top of his infractions at his previous school.
boeheim paid his penance and the crap he did is behind him. haith can't say the same thing which is why it's hilarious that the ncaa bent over for him.
take the infractions out of it. the orange have better wins this season vs duke, notre dame, uconn, and atm. tulsa has smu, cincinnati and uconn. i'll take the p5 hall of famer, you can have haith.
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Syracuse made the tournament :Wha:
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:lol: So Frank. When it doesn't matter.
What a great coaching decision
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Continuing to run off players, because you're not good enough at evaluating them, and creating drama during the season is a bit much. But yes, Frank martin is the best thing that's ever happened to college basketball!
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was watching the new mexico state nit game last night vs. st mary's...great game. also (and here's where we get to the frank martin part) nm st's coach, marvin menzies kind of looks like frank to me.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww3.pictures.zimbio.com%2Fgi%2FNew%2BMexico%2BState%2Bv%2BArizona%2BkZdDxw-9WWyl.jpg&hash=b656763c436b6f6e10abdf84445de0d7d35c9511)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwac.b63f.edgecastcdn.net%2F80B63F%2Fimages%2Fsidearm.sites%2Fnmsu.sidearmsports.com%2Fimages%2F2010%2F12%2F21%2FXCLGHYWFOOWCBBQ.20101221215834.jpg&hash=39989ddbadf5a455cebf17fdfb58e620d37a7e11)
thoughts?
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Oh man, spot on!
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Top picture has that crazy eye stare. Good call.
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Menzies has been there a while and back when I cared about hoops recruiting he did a good job. He got Fred Peete an NCAA tournament appearance.
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Menzies has been there a while and back when I cared about hoops recruiting he did a good job. He got Fred Peete an NCAA tournament appearance.
scratch that, Reggie Theus coached him in the NCAA's.
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Menzies has been there a while and back when I cared about hoops recruiting he did a good job. He got Fred Peete an NCAA tournament appearance.
scratch that, Reggie Theus coached him in the NCAA's.
oh you're talking about steph curry
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Continuing to run off players, because you're not good enough at evaluating them, and creating drama during the season is a bit much. But yes, Frank martin is the best thing that's ever happened to college basketball!
That's what happened at USC :surprised: you have some good ass sources.
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frank's next game vs the houston/g tech winner isn't until the 21st
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frank's next game vs the houston/g tech winner isn't until the 21st
I'm sure part of it was working around their women hosting the first round. That's were Mittie's Cats are playing.
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ya i forgot about that, good point
good news b/c most of us are going to be focused on the ncaa through the weekend anyway
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frank's next game vs the houston/g tech winner isn't until the 21st
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He's HCIW Brad's brother, you know? One of them.
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https://twitter.com/pitbull/status/712037039265419264
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Down 24. WTF, Frank?
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I've been saying this for years but Frank has no idea wtf he is doing
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The current Oklahoma State Coach was the only reason Frank ever had any success. I think that much is clear at this point.
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Down 30!
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The current Oklahoma State Coach was the only reason Frank ever had any success. I think that much is clear at this point.
Yup!
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The current Oklahoma State Coach was the only reason Frank ever had any success. I think that much is clear at this point.
Yup!
I mean I know Dax has said it for years and I just dismissed it, but it's pretty clear now.
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What a great thread.
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I'd murder every single one of you for 25-9
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The current Oklahoma State Coach was the only reason Frank ever had any success. I think that much is clear at this point.
if anything, it's a referendum on what a great coach pullen would make if he decided to join the ranks. #PullenForKSU #KimEnglishForAC
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The same could be said about Boeheim and Syracuse.
you could say the same about boeheim and syracuse as i did about haith and tulsa, but you'd sound like a mongloid doing it.
i mean really.
Boeheim is coming off of a suspension and the Cuse were ineligible for the postseason last year, but sure let's give them the benefit of the doubt with their shaky tourney resume in 2016.
Not exactly an apples to apples comparison with Haith and Tulsa, but there are some similarities.
Anyone with a functioning brain knows the Boeheim thing is way worse. Haith mumped Mizzou, I mean they have a post season ban this year and Haith is yoloing his ass off in the tourney. But not only did Boeheim eff up at his current school, but the committee excused his team's performance while he was suspended. You can't make this crap up. I wonder if someone on the infractions committee called one of their buddies on the tournament committee and was like :comeatme:
you're really half assing it lately. anyone with half a brain realizes that the ncaa investigation into haith and missouri is still active. the extent to which haith "mumped up" at his school isn't known publically. that's on top of his infractions at his previous school.
boeheim paid his penance and the crap he did is behind him. haith can't say the same thing which is why it's hilarious that the ncaa bent over for him.
take the infractions out of it. the orange have better wins this season vs duke, notre dame, uconn, and atm. tulsa has smu, cincinnati and uconn. i'll take the p5 hall of famer, you can have haith.
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if anything, it's a referendum on what a great coach pullen would make if he decided to join the ranks. #PullenForKSU #KimEnglishForAC
There are very few stud basketball players that go on to become ace coaches. The generally accepted formula is you must make the team, be a scrub, "do the little things" as coaches say, and be the head coach's favorite kid. Underwood fits most of that criteria. Pullen doesn't. He was too good of a player to translate that into coaching success.
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Great stuff as always brad
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The same could be said about Boeheim and Syracuse.
you could say the same about boeheim and syracuse as i did about haith and tulsa, but you'd sound like a mongloid doing it.
i mean really.
Boeheim is coming off of a suspension and the Cuse were ineligible for the postseason last year, but sure let's give them the benefit of the doubt with their shaky tourney resume in 2016.
Not exactly an apples to apples comparison with Haith and Tulsa, but there are some similarities.
Anyone with a functioning brain knows the Boeheim thing is way worse. Haith mumped Mizzou, I mean they have a post season ban this year and Haith is yoloing his ass off in the tourney. But not only did Boeheim eff up at his current school, but the committee excused his team's performance while he was suspended. You can't make this crap up. I wonder if someone on the infractions committee called one of their buddies on the tournament committee and was like :comeatme:
you're really half assing it lately. anyone with half a brain realizes that the ncaa investigation into haith and missouri is still active. the extent to which haith "mumped up" at his school isn't known publically. that's on top of his infractions at his previous school.
boeheim paid his penance and the crap he did is behind him. haith can't say the same thing which is why it's hilarious that the ncaa bent over for him.
take the infractions out of it. the orange have better wins this season vs duke, notre dame, uconn, and atm. tulsa has smu, cincinnati and uconn. i'll take the p5 hall of famer, you can have haith.
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GOOOOOD bump given my argument was clearly Syracuse was a crap team that didn't belong, zapped my ass.
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https://twitter.com/wis10/status/715582917062352897
:sdeek:
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I'm sorry, I don't care if you love him or hate him, that's funny. :lol:
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https://twitter.com/slmandel/status/715602834360651776
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Pretty weak explanation. Like, they insinuated that the app made an error, but never really say that it did. And if it was the fault of whoever was inputting the data, why would south carolina's info get put in there if they weren't in the tourney? I highly doubt some intern just thought to themselves, "Hmmm, I know it says Vandy, but I'm going to send it to S. Carolina instead. My boss will appreciate this, he says he values initiative." Still seems weird.
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they said it was a mistake that they were accountable for and apologized, what more do you want? a senate subcommittee hearing?
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This is just like what happened to Steve Harvey.
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Either way, they proved they shouldn't have been in the tournament, so this is kind of a moot point.
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This is just like what happened to Steve Harvey.
I was thinking more JT and Janet in that Super Bowl about 10 years ago, where, instead of an app, it was a bra/nipple cover.
But Steve Harvey is a good example, too.
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they said it was a mistake that they were accountable for and apologized, what more do you want? a senate subcommittee hearing?
I don't even think they needed to apologize, not their fault that USC didn't deserve to be in this year. I just thought it was a very poorly worded statement.
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I'd like to see some sort of hearing. I wouldn't limit it to the senate subcommittee.
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The NCAA will apologize to SC MBB right after Frank apologizes to the fan base for losing to Mizzou.
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they said it was a mistake that they were accountable for and apologized, what more do you want? a senate subcommittee hearing?
We'll put the system on trial!!
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http://www.gamecocksonline.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/040116aaa.html
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#code
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:lol:
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2.45 million? Holy crap
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Happy for Frank.
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2.45 million? Holy crap
Looks like 3rd in the SEC and somewhere around 16-18th in the country.
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What a time to be alive
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http://www.seattlepi.com/news/us-world/article/Three-arrested-in-South-Carolina-following-bikini-7220002.php
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http://www.seattlepi.com/news/us-world/article/Three-arrested-in-South-Carolina-following-bikini-7220002.php
Girls can punch (slap?) very fast.
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http://www.seattlepi.com/news/us-world/article/Three-arrested-in-South-Carolina-following-bikini-7220002.php
picture 17, 18 :kstatriot:
picture 29 :jayhook:
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Ha, I hadn't clicked through the pics. #19: 'cats and sonics!
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Lamont Evans gone to work with a real coach and two Frankings including Cobb. :flush
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Cobb left?! :love:
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Didn't he have a kstate offer? Would take.
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Didn't he have a kstate offer? Would take.
If there's one measure of success you can hang your hat on its how good players who were franked did on their next stop.
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Didn't he have a kstate offer? Would take.
If there's one measure of success you can hang your hat on its how good players who were franked did on their next stop.
Nick Russell and Ron Anderson were solid post Frank. I don't think he is a world beater but he's got to be at least as good as what we have now.
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he's got to be at least as good as what we have now.
his stats would suggest that he's not.
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frank wouldn't frank someone that he didn't think he could replace. that said, there's not a lot of info on the BB gun stuff that these clowns were up to. he may have had no other choice.
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that said, there's not a lot of info on the BB gun stuff that these clowns were up to. he may have had no other choice.
i was just reading up on that. i didn't realize that all those suspensions they had around nit time were related to a legal issue thing. it does sound more like these are non-bball frankings.
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he's got to be at least as good as what we have now.
his stats would suggest that he's not.
Who are you comparing him to?
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platonic ideals (platonic averages, really, but that's not a phrase).
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John ran off not just one, but TWO winners to hire Oscar.
Incredible.
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John ran off not just one, but TWO winners to hire Oscar.
Incredible.
you know what? i hadn't thought about that.
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http://www.thestate.com/sports/college/university-of-south-carolina/usc-mens-basketball/article80922547.html
Frank franked half his team.
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Obviously a preemptive move to stave off the player mutiny. :jerk:
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Tough luck
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looks like frank is taking the oscar approach to restarting his career shot clock. no need to find a new school, just dismiss a good chunk of your roster and start over.
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Time to show the Tim Floyd numbers on NCAA transfers these days to his AD.
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haha, holy crap frank
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Epidemic!!
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did he call anyone a f-in' pussy?
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Time to show the Tim Floyd numbers on NCAA transfers these days to his AD.
This is a great post
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:bball:
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Lost to Illinois State tonight. :frown:
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Lost to Southern Illinois tonight. :frown:
so frankish
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The current Oklahoma State Coach was the only reason Frank ever had any success. I think that much is clear at this point.
Yup!
Totally
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Yeah, he was killing it before last year, #LIFE! Spot on!
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He plays Colorado on ESPNU today at 12:30 pm cst on ESPNU. Already owns a loss to Towson. Go fighting Franks!
https://umassathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2022-23
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Good win, Frank.