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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #200 on: January 26, 2015, 03:57:55 PM »
Study related logistical nightmare bros!  :cheers:
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #201 on: January 26, 2015, 03:59:59 PM »
Mine is always some pud class that I show up to once and don't give a crap about and then I forget it was even on the schedule come the end of the semester.

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #202 on: January 26, 2015, 04:02:20 PM »
I have the same dream - I blame the weird Statistics req that made me take some dumb Stats 110 class that was only 8 weeks long so I had a "hole " in my T-Th routine when it was over

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #203 on: January 26, 2015, 04:13:38 PM »
yeah. it's pretty much always ksu campus and i had a mwf930 or something that i quit going to and i probably missed a test or two and now i can't remember exactly where the class was and who taught it and it's towards the end of the semster and i know i'm going to get an F or something.
Also same dream about once every few  months. Always college, usually at my high school building though
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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #204 on: January 26, 2015, 04:25:12 PM »
My last semester was full of two classes I had to have for my major and a couple electives like basketball.  I always dreamed about forgetting I even enrolled until the day before finals then panicking about not even knowing where they were holding class at. 

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #205 on: January 26, 2015, 05:42:31 PM »
getting applejack-style thread déjà vu, here

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #206 on: February 02, 2015, 02:59:48 PM »
98.1 doing a segment on school budgets this afternoon.

Notes:
 - Blue Valley dist has over 70 admins making over $100k a year
 - Blue Valley supt makes $307k/yr
 - KCK has 20 admin making over $100k.
 - KCK has a "custodian" making $92k
 - KCK has a "secratary" making $81k

They started this convo because Sumner Academy just bout a $47k piano for their choir program.

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #207 on: February 02, 2015, 03:48:07 PM »
I had a dream last night I was back in high school. I had already graduated college, but I went back to high school to finish some credits to get my diploma.

i've had that dream.
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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #208 on: February 02, 2015, 04:24:59 PM »
I had a dream last night I was back in high school. I had already graduated college, but I went back to high school to finish some credits to get my diploma.

i've had that dream.

Did you realize halfway through the semester that you had a class or classes that you totally forgot about?

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #209 on: February 02, 2015, 04:37:15 PM »
I had a dream last night I was back in high school. I had already graduated college, but I went back to high school to finish some credits to get my diploma.

i've had that dream.

Did you realize halfway through the semester that you had a class or classes that you totally forgot about?

it was more like i had to go back and finish a couple of classes in hs before everyone figured out i'd somehow moved along without ever graduating.
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #210 on: February 02, 2015, 04:40:24 PM »
I had a dream last night I was back in high school. I had already graduated college, but I went back to high school to finish some credits to get my diploma.

i've had that dream.

Did you realize halfway through the semester that you had a class or classes that you totally forgot about?

it was more like i had to go back and finish a couple of classes in hs before everyone figured out i'd somehow moved along without ever graduating.

Says something about our public school system that something like that could even happen in a dream...

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #211 on: February 02, 2015, 09:30:46 PM »
98.1 doing a segment on school budgets this afternoon.

Notes:
 - Blue Valley dist has over 70 admins making over $100k a year
 - Blue Valley supt makes $307k/yr
 - KCK has 20 admin making over $100k.
 - KCK has a "custodian" making $92k
 - KCK has a "secratary" making $81k

They started this convo because Sumner Academy just bout a $47k piano for their choir program.

Heard this segment as well.  Always see pupil/teacher ratios and $/pupil.  Are there any studies on teacher/admins or admin $/teacher analysis?

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #212 on: February 02, 2015, 09:33:36 PM »
(Budget - admin sal and facilities)/pupil would be interesting too.

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #213 on: February 03, 2015, 09:10:48 AM »
Apparently some Johnson County school districts get "equalization" payments because they're so poor under the formula.
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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #214 on: February 03, 2015, 09:27:44 AM »
Sam just recommended last week that districts push the locals to do something with sales and propt taxes to fill their budget holes as he cuts again.  Hard core con doing what he can to raise your propt and local sales taxes.

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #215 on: February 03, 2015, 10:10:16 AM »
Sam just recommended last week that districts push the locals to do something with sales and propt taxes to fill their budget holes as he cuts again.  Hard core con doing what he can to raise your propt and local sales taxes.

Browny also suggested that school distrticts get money based on performance:
http://www.kansas.com/news/local/article8639078.html

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“Let’s spend that two years writing a finance formula that gets money to the classroom, and I’d like it to have some incentives tied with performance,” Brownback said Friday. “Are the kids reading at the fourth-grade level when they get to fourth grade? When you leave high school, are you either ready to go to college or go to work?

“I’d rather you’d be both, ready to do both, but are you? And we want to pay that you will be, and if you’re not, then you should be penalized for it because that’s what you’re supposed to get done.”

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #216 on: February 03, 2015, 10:10:17 AM »
Sam just recommended last week that districts push the locals to do something with sales and propt taxes to fill their budget holes as he cuts again.  Hard core con doing what he can to raise your propt and local sales taxes.

I support this bottom up model. We should pay less taxes to the state and federal government and more taxes to our local units of government. It keep more of your tax money in your own community and it is easier to hold local governments accountable for how the money is spent.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #217 on: February 03, 2015, 10:13:18 AM »
Sam just recommended last week that districts push the locals to do something with sales and propt taxes to fill their budget holes as he cuts again.  Hard core con doing what he can to raise your propt and local sales taxes.

I support this bottom up model. We should pay less taxes to the state and federal government and more taxes to our local units of government. It keep more of your tax money in your own community and it is easier to hold local governments accountable for how the money is spent.

If you live in a rural area, you will pray that it is not on the local government to levee, collect, and administer tax/ tax law.  It is an awful and inefficient way to go.

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #218 on: February 03, 2015, 02:19:49 PM »
Sam just recommended last week that districts push the locals to do something with sales and propt taxes to fill their budget holes as he cuts again.  Hard core con doing what he can to raise your propt and local sales taxes.

I support this bottom up model. We should pay less taxes to the state and federal government and more taxes to our local units of government. It keep more of your tax money in your own community and it is easier to hold local governments accountable for how the money is spent.

If you live in a rural area, you will pray that it is not on the local government to levee, collect, and administer tax/ tax law.  It is an awful and inefficient way to go.

I don't live in a rural area, and I would prefer that my money not be redistributed to rural areas. Speaking of inefficient... Local taxation is far more efficient than the federal fovernment being the largest taxing unit. There are a more middle men between the feds and my roads.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #219 on: February 03, 2015, 02:42:03 PM »
Sam just recommended last week that districts push the locals to do something with sales and propt taxes to fill their budget holes as he cuts again.  Hard core con doing what he can to raise your propt and local sales taxes.

I support this bottom up model. We should pay less taxes to the state and federal government and more taxes to our local units of government. It keep more of your tax money in your own community and it is easier to hold local governments accountable for how the money is spent.
Ok to crash the state by stupid taxes, because eff taxes.  OK to raise taxes locally because more local taxes is just what we need?

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #220 on: February 03, 2015, 02:44:12 PM »
Rural schools would be broke

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #221 on: February 03, 2015, 04:46:56 PM »
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“Let’s spend that two years writing a finance formula that gets money to the classroom, and I’d like it to have some incentives tied with performance,” Brownback said Friday. “Are the kids reading at the fourth-grade level when they get to fourth grade? When you leave high school, are you either ready to go to college or go to work?

“I’d rather you’d be both, ready to do both, but are you? And we want to pay that you will be, and if you’re not, then you should be penalized for it because that’s what you’re supposed to get done.”

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Ah, yes.  Performance based funding ranks right up there with evaluating teachers based on their students' performance.  Clearly, Blue Valley deserves more money than KCK, because their students perform better on assessments.  How can anyone think this is appropriate by any stretch of the imagination?!?

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #222 on: February 03, 2015, 05:12:19 PM »
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“Let’s spend that two years writing a finance formula that gets money to the classroom, and I’d like it to have some incentives tied with performance,” Brownback said Friday. “Are the kids reading at the fourth-grade level when they get to fourth grade? When you leave high school, are you either ready to go to college or go to work?

“I’d rather you’d be both, ready to do both, but are you? And we want to pay that you will be, and if you’re not, then you should be penalized for it because that’s what you’re supposed to get done.”

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Ah, yes.  Performance based funding ranks right up there with evaluating teachers based on their students' performance.  Clearly, Blue Valley deserves more money than KCK, because their students perform better on assessments.  How can anyone think this is appropriate by any stretch of the imagination?!?

Maybe they'll base it on improvement from a baseline, in which case the crap test schools have the most opportunity to get more $$$$.

If any of you think this is anything more than a way to push towards charter schools, you aren't paying attention.
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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #223 on: February 03, 2015, 07:37:30 PM »
Everything that Brownback, the Koch bros, and the Kansas Policy Institute try to do involving education is a push toward charter schools. 

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Re: State of the State - case closed, money is bad for schools
« Reply #224 on: February 03, 2015, 07:39:47 PM »
Someone smart tell me what charter schools are
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