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My prediction? Will goes 5-6 from downtown one of these nights and someone bumps this thread with as the message.
Quote from: michigancat on January 26, 2012, 11:17:31 AMQuote from: MakeItRain on January 26, 2012, 11:05:35 AMQuote from: michigancat on January 26, 2012, 10:39:20 AMQuote from: MakeItRain on January 26, 2012, 09:34:51 AMKeep beating that drum rusty, there's no problem here. All "shooters" have 7 game stretches like this. 0-5, 2 points, 1 assist, 3 fouls in 22 minutes. I agree there's nothing wrong he's getting better Stats class Why are you giving him this arbitrary "shooter" tag? Who are some players you think he should be compared to?You guys gave him the shooter tag when after the OSU game I pointed out all of the things he was doing wrong. I heard the "he's playing the point which is out of position" talking point, people constantly mention his eFG in that thread, "shooters should keep shooting," etc. I don't view him as a driveway shooter, that's why I put shooter in quotations. In the OSU PP/NN thread I compared him to Clent Stewart and that is what I expect from him. This is why I'm frustrated with his assist & TO numbers.Now I feel bad because last year and early this season I gave him grief for being just a ball mover, man I long for those days.Oh Jesus. I just said he was fine, never that he was some sort of driveway shooter. And seriously, you should be slapped for comparing him to Clent. You are not that stupid. I mean, I know you like to ignore stats and use your eyes, but my God:http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=clent-stewart&i=1&p1=will-spradlinghttp://kenpom.com/player.php?p=10550http://kenpom.com/player.php?p=369Clent's turnovers his sophomore year. Wow.I don't believe I ever said you, Rusty, called him a driveway shooter. I listed the talking points used in regards to Will, did you miss them. My repeated, guys Will is okay is a direct shot at you. Also let's compare the Clent and Will stats at the end of conference play. The raw assist & to numbers are projecting pretty closely. If Will continues to trend the way he is pointing Clent's assist numbers will remain better and the TOs will tighten up considerably.Also what's the issue with comparing Will to Clent? Is the issue you want Will to be more, because he hasn't to this point. I noticed the cute little trick you used comparing Clent's senior year to Will's sophomore year. That was Clent's worst year. At this point in their careers their advanced stats are a wash, Clent has more assists and TOs other than that, I don't know how you can claim a statistical advantage for one or the other. And LOL at paying for Kenpom, statsheet is sufficient thanks.
Quote from: MakeItRain on January 26, 2012, 11:05:35 AMQuote from: michigancat on January 26, 2012, 10:39:20 AMQuote from: MakeItRain on January 26, 2012, 09:34:51 AMKeep beating that drum rusty, there's no problem here. All "shooters" have 7 game stretches like this. 0-5, 2 points, 1 assist, 3 fouls in 22 minutes. I agree there's nothing wrong he's getting better Stats class Why are you giving him this arbitrary "shooter" tag? Who are some players you think he should be compared to?You guys gave him the shooter tag when after the OSU game I pointed out all of the things he was doing wrong. I heard the "he's playing the point which is out of position" talking point, people constantly mention his eFG in that thread, "shooters should keep shooting," etc. I don't view him as a driveway shooter, that's why I put shooter in quotations. In the OSU PP/NN thread I compared him to Clent Stewart and that is what I expect from him. This is why I'm frustrated with his assist & TO numbers.Now I feel bad because last year and early this season I gave him grief for being just a ball mover, man I long for those days.Oh Jesus. I just said he was fine, never that he was some sort of driveway shooter. And seriously, you should be slapped for comparing him to Clent. You are not that stupid. I mean, I know you like to ignore stats and use your eyes, but my God:http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=clent-stewart&i=1&p1=will-spradlinghttp://kenpom.com/player.php?p=10550http://kenpom.com/player.php?p=369Clent's turnovers his sophomore year. Wow.
Quote from: michigancat on January 26, 2012, 10:39:20 AMQuote from: MakeItRain on January 26, 2012, 09:34:51 AMKeep beating that drum rusty, there's no problem here. All "shooters" have 7 game stretches like this. 0-5, 2 points, 1 assist, 3 fouls in 22 minutes. I agree there's nothing wrong he's getting better Stats class Why are you giving him this arbitrary "shooter" tag? Who are some players you think he should be compared to?You guys gave him the shooter tag when after the OSU game I pointed out all of the things he was doing wrong. I heard the "he's playing the point which is out of position" talking point, people constantly mention his eFG in that thread, "shooters should keep shooting," etc. I don't view him as a driveway shooter, that's why I put shooter in quotations. In the OSU PP/NN thread I compared him to Clent Stewart and that is what I expect from him. This is why I'm frustrated with his assist & TO numbers.Now I feel bad because last year and early this season I gave him grief for being just a ball mover, man I long for those days.
Quote from: MakeItRain on January 26, 2012, 09:34:51 AMKeep beating that drum rusty, there's no problem here. All "shooters" have 7 game stretches like this. 0-5, 2 points, 1 assist, 3 fouls in 22 minutes. I agree there's nothing wrong he's getting better Stats class Why are you giving him this arbitrary "shooter" tag? Who are some players you think he should be compared to?
Keep beating that drum rusty, there's no problem here. All "shooters" have 7 game stretches like this. 0-5, 2 points, 1 assist, 3 fouls in 22 minutes. I agree there's nothing wrong he's getting better Stats class
Quote from: michigancat on January 26, 2012, 11:17:31 AMAnd seriously, you should be slapped for comparing him to Clent. You are not that stupid. I mean, I know you like to ignore stats and use your eyes, but my God:http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=clent-stewart&i=1&p1=will-spradlinghttp://kenpom.com/player.php?p=10550http://kenpom.com/player.php?p=369Clent's turnovers his sophomore year. Wow.If we're going to bring a comparison, let's bring a real comparison.
And seriously, you should be slapped for comparing him to Clent. You are not that stupid. I mean, I know you like to ignore stats and use your eyes, but my God:http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=clent-stewart&i=1&p1=will-spradlinghttp://kenpom.com/player.php?p=10550http://kenpom.com/player.php?p=369Clent's turnovers his sophomore year. Wow.
It's not like he rough ridin' forgot how to shoot. Law of averages. He's been sucking. So he'll probably go off pretty soon.
Didn't I say let's compare at the end of the season the whole point of this is how Will is trending so wouldn't it make sense to see where the trend finishes?Also you mocked my comparison but didn't offer one up of your own.
Quote from: kitten_mittons on January 26, 2012, 12:28:38 PMIt's not like he rough ridin' forgot how to shoot. Law of averages. He's been sucking. So he'll probably go off pretty soon.Attention RustyYou need to address your shooter beef with your people, not with me.
michigancat is absolutely right.Play around with a coin flip simulator for a while.
Quote from: stunted on January 26, 2012, 12:46:44 PMmichigancat is absolutely right.Play around with a coin flip simulator for a while.Shooting is a crapshoot. This is for 1000 shots, and it could be a lot worse as my standard deviation guesstimate is conservative.Bitching about shooting is . O-rebounds on the other hand
Quote from: MakeItRain on January 26, 2012, 12:38:51 PMQuote from: kitten_mittons on January 26, 2012, 12:28:38 PMIt's not like he rough ridin' forgot how to shoot. Law of averages. He's been sucking. So he'll probably go off pretty soon.Attention RustyYou need to address your shooter beef with your people, not with me.Oh, I think I see what you're saying now. FWIW, I don't think Will is playing well, but I don't think there is anything to worry about or see any reason to drastically change his minutes or role. Just like Angel to start the year.
Fair point here and with Tweety Carter. But your good Tweety comparo doesn't make my Clent comparo bad, like I said we'll revisit this in April, if we remember. I don't think Will's role should drastically change, but I think something should be done, this has been going on for a month. I'm puzzled by the status quo given Frank's propensity to Frank.
First of all I'm not bitching about shooting, I've expressed this 462,829,347 different ways, I'm sorry you can't understand that. Secondly shooting is absolutely not a crapshoot. That's absolutely taking statistical analysis way too literal.
Quote from: MakeItRain on January 26, 2012, 01:21:46 PMFair point here and with Tweety Carter. But your good Tweety comparo doesn't make my Clent comparo bad, like I said we'll revisit this in April, if we remember. I don't think Will's role should drastically change, but I think something should be done, this has been going on for a month. I'm puzzled by the status quo given Frank's propensity to Frank. Do you really think Martavious taking away Spradling's minutes and shots is a good idea? (That's the only thing I've seen you suggest.)As for Frank being Frank, he's never sat anyone for shooting poorly, as far as I can remember.
Quote from: michigancat on January 26, 2012, 01:24:23 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on January 26, 2012, 01:21:46 PMFair point here and with Tweety Carter. But your good Tweety comparo doesn't make my Clent comparo bad, like I said we'll revisit this in April, if we remember. I don't think Will's role should drastically change, but I think something should be done, this has been going on for a month. I'm puzzled by the status quo given Frank's propensity to Frank. Do you really think Martavious taking away Spradling's minutes and shots is a good idea? (That's the only thing I've seen you suggest.)As for Frank being Frank, he's never sat anyone for shooting poorly, as far as I can remember.For the time being, yes I do. I said after OSU that I thought that Will was hurting the team.
Quote from: MakeItRain on January 26, 2012, 02:42:32 PMQuote from: michigancat on January 26, 2012, 01:24:23 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on January 26, 2012, 01:21:46 PMFair point here and with Tweety Carter. But your good Tweety comparo doesn't make my Clent comparo bad, like I said we'll revisit this in April, if we remember. I don't think Will's role should drastically change, but I think something should be done, this has been going on for a month. I'm puzzled by the status quo given Frank's propensity to Frank. Do you really think Martavious taking away Spradling's minutes and shots is a good idea? (That's the only thing I've seen you suggest.)As for Frank being Frank, he's never sat anyone for shooting poorly, as far as I can remember.For the time being, yes I do. I said after OSU that I thought that Will was hurting the team. What does Martavious do better than Will? (I realize these are for the full season, but can't find advanced conference stats to compare on statsheet):http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=martavious-irving&p1=will-spradling
Quote from: michigancat on January 26, 2012, 02:51:18 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on January 26, 2012, 02:42:32 PMQuote from: michigancat on January 26, 2012, 01:24:23 PMQuote from: MakeItRain on January 26, 2012, 01:21:46 PMFair point here and with Tweety Carter. But your good Tweety comparo doesn't make my Clent comparo bad, like I said we'll revisit this in April, if we remember. I don't think Will's role should drastically change, but I think something should be done, this has been going on for a month. I'm puzzled by the status quo given Frank's propensity to Frank. Do you really think Martavious taking away Spradling's minutes and shots is a good idea? (That's the only thing I've seen you suggest.)As for Frank being Frank, he's never sat anyone for shooting poorly, as far as I can remember.For the time being, yes I do. I said after OSU that I thought that Will was hurting the team. What does Martavious do better than Will? (I realize these are for the full season, but can't find advanced conference stats to compare on statsheet):http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=martavious-irving&p1=will-spradlingRight now, literally everything