Author Topic: preseason rank? (Read 20752 times)

SdK · « **Reply #75 on:** April 05, 2012, 11:34:42 PM »

eff anyone that says last year was lucky.

Did we get some breaks? Yes. Do teams get breaks every year? Yes.

When KSU had to be on that wall, they were on that wall. There is nothing lucky about that. When given the opportunity to win, they did. I don't see how that is lucky. We weren't good enough to blow everyone out, I get that. But you don't play the style of offense we did and blow everyone out, which is exactly the logic behind people saying it was lucky, because scoring margin wasn't huge.

You don't have a rough ridin' lucky magical season for a whole season you idiots. Stop using Disney World logic to piss on the football team because you are upset about the BBall team.

Bloodfart · « **Reply #76 on:** April 05, 2012, 11:53:13 PM »

Quote from: Stevesie60 on April 05, 2012, 09:37:03 PM

Quote from: jtksu on April 05, 2012, 10:19:42 AM
Well, we stopped them 4 consecutive plays, so at least 4/10.

What I mean is, give them a first down and four chances to score. If that is considered "one time", then how many times out of ten can we hold them?

Are the teams getting a rest in between series'? I mean that's alot of football.

stunted · « **Reply #77 on:** April 05, 2012, 11:58:24 PM »

Quote from: jtksu on April 05, 2012, 10:46:27 PM

Poker and football are clearly the same thing.

You are a rough ridin' idiot.

Quote from: Sundance_Kid on April 05, 2012, 11:34:42 PM

Disney World logic:

Every team falls in the middle!

SdK · « **Reply #78 on:** April 06, 2012, 12:10:07 AM »

It may be the Jack coursing through my veins, but I don't know whether I've been called an idiot or agreed with.

Dr Rick Daris · « **Reply #79 on:** April 06, 2012, 12:16:53 AM »

Quote from: Sundance_Kid on April 06, 2012, 12:10:07 AM

It may be the Jack coursing through my veins, but I don't know whether I've been called an idiot or agreed with.

i do.

SdK · « **Reply #80 on:** April 06, 2012, 12:23:42 AM »

Quote from: rick daris on April 06, 2012, 12:16:53 AM

Quote from: Sundance_Kid on April 06, 2012, 12:10:07 AM
It may be the Jack coursing through my veins, but I don't know whether I've been called an idiot or agreed with.

i do.

Welp

michigancat · « **Reply #81 on:** April 06, 2012, 01:24:14 AM »

Close games are largely non-existent for great teams. Alabama and LSU both had one regular season game decided by less than two touchdowns, and it was against each other. KSU was lucky last year and it was awesome.

p1k3 · « **Reply #82 on:** April 06, 2012, 01:53:01 AM »

So in 2010 and 2009 we were unlucky?

The Manhatter · « **Reply #83 on:** April 06, 2012, 07:36:10 AM »

Quote from: rick daris on April 05, 2012, 11:10:08 PM

my god you guys are an insufferable bunch. the fball team was outgained by 600 yards last year and almost/should've made it to a bcs bowl. how can you not say that they were lucky?

jmlynch1 · « **Reply #84 on:** April 06, 2012, 10:16:27 AM »

What you call luck, I call scheme.

Dr Rick Daris · « **Reply #85 on:** April 06, 2012, 12:20:56 PM »

Quote from: The Manhatter on April 06, 2012, 07:36:10 AM

Quote from: rick daris on April 05, 2012, 11:10:08 PM
my god you guys are an insufferable bunch. the fball team was outgained by 600 yards last year and almost/should've made it to a bcs bowl. how can you not say that they were lucky?

oh, the ole' we got outgained argument. they're called "empty yards" and Texas Tech had a ton of 'em last year. how did that work out for them. I'll give you another example of how we made up those yards (return game, kicking game, and penatlies), increased possessions (turnovers), snuffed opposition's or capitalized on our own scoring chances.

The numbers...

NCAA rank

18th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teampenalties&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teamyardspenalized&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamturnovermrgn&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

4th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamtop&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

19th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamredzone&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

10th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_team4down&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkickret&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

30th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkoreturndef&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

If you're getting extra possessions per game, not giving away yards due to penalties, have good field position to start every possession, score when you get in the redzone, and maintain control of the ball...you're going to win a lot of games.

gee, thanks the manhatter. all of the above never occured to me because i'm a complete dumbass. below is a list of the final 2012 AP top 20 poll. please let me know which teams below were also recipients of "empty yards" last year.

alabama- +3200 yds
lsu- +1300 yds
oklahoma st- +1200 yds
oregon- +1900 yds
arkansas- +900 yds
usc- +1000 yds
stanford- +1900 yds
boise st- +2100 yds
south carolina- +1300 yds
wisconsin- +1000 yds
michigan state- +1000 yds
michigan- +1000 yds
baylor- +800 yds
tcu- +1200 yds
kansas state- MINUS 700yds
oklahoma- +1800 yds
west virginia- +1600 yds
houston- +3000 yds
georgia- +1800 yds
southern miss- +1600 yds

CHONGS · « **Reply #86 on:** April 06, 2012, 12:23:42 PM »

whats important is points per play

michigancat · « **Reply #87 on:** April 06, 2012, 12:29:25 PM »

Quote from: p1k3 on April 06, 2012, 01:53:01 AM

So in 2010 and 2009 we were unlucky?

No, most losses weren't close.

felix rex · « **Reply #88 on:** April 06, 2012, 03:00:48 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on April 06, 2012, 12:29:25 PM

Quote from: p1k3 on April 06, 2012, 01:53:01 AM
So in 2010 and 2009 we were unlucky?

No, most losses weren't close.

Yeah. The OP should have referred to 04 and 05. That's almost an unforgivable talking points error.

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #89 on:** April 06, 2012, 03:09:47 PM »

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 05, 2012, 10:19:54 PM

We didn't have anything "lucky" happen to us last year. We rallied in two games against lucky teams. In the Baylor game RGIII hit like 4 redic amazing bombs, one on 4th down, for TD's. We should have beat them by 20. MilkManAggie we just toyed with.

Seems like we'd get up a couple scores and then run out the clock on the other team. Lots of games that were a lot closer than they really were, TTech, the U and MU come to mind.

OU and OSU are the lucky ones in my opinion. We could have easily beat OSU and if we don't break the OU RB's leg, they pass less and lose to us. Really, we were pretty unlucky not to go undefeated, should have been 12-0 last season. lotta negative peggys on this board.

Remember when CK fumbled into the endzone against Aggy? Guess not.

Dr Rick Daris · « **Reply #90 on:** April 06, 2012, 03:13:22 PM »

hey daris- thanks for spending seven minutes putting that top twenty list together. that was neat.

no problem guys.

scoops callahan · « **Reply #91 on:** April 06, 2012, 04:59:52 PM »

Quote from: Sundance_Kid on April 05, 2012, 11:34:42 PM

eff anyone that says last year was lucky.

Did we get some breaks? Yes. Do teams get breaks every year? Yes.

When KSU had to be on that wall, they were on that wall. There is nothing lucky about that. When given the opportunity to win, they did. I don't see how that is lucky. We weren't good enough to blow everyone out, I get that. But you don't play the style of offense we did and blow everyone out, which is exactly the logic behind people saying it was lucky, because scoring margin wasn't huge.

You don't have a rough ridin' lucky magical season for a whole season you idiots. Stop using Disney World logic to piss on the football team because you are upset about the BBall team.

THIS

DQ12 · « **Reply #92 on:** April 06, 2012, 05:27:25 PM »

The spread is a great offense. Gobbles up tons of yardage, but it also makes teams prone to more turnovers, i'd say. We controlled the ball with a low risk offense and played good, opportunistic defense.

It's a pretty good idea, you guys.

CNS · « **Reply #93 on:** April 06, 2012, 09:48:14 PM »

Pretty sure that this thread proves that Klien blood is the football equiv of a rabbits foot key chain. Good thing we picked up a second one.

I just hope to god that baby Klien knows how to bleed like his bro. Otherwise things will get pretty awkward in pregames next yr.

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michigancat · « **Reply #94 on:** April 06, 2012, 09:53:43 PM »

Thanks for everything you do, Rick.

chum1 · « **Reply #95 on:** April 06, 2012, 10:25:10 PM »

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/luckiest-teams-2011

p1k3 · « **Reply #96 on:** April 06, 2012, 10:42:28 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on April 06, 2012, 10:25:10 PM

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/luckiest-teams-2011

Kind of dumb definition of luck, imo.

michigancat · « **Reply #97 on:** April 06, 2012, 10:44:49 PM »

Quote from: p1k3 on April 06, 2012, 10:42:28 PM

Quote from: chum1 on April 06, 2012, 10:25:10 PM
http://mgoblog.com/diaries/luckiest-teams-2011

Kind of dumb definition of luck, imo.

Kind of a dumb way to debunk the article. <-fact

jtksu · « **Reply #98 on:** April 06, 2012, 10:49:40 PM »

Yeah, Rusty is right. If it's on the interwebs, you better believe it's true.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #99 on:** April 06, 2012, 10:52:36 PM »

Oklahoma was lucky we fumbled right before halftime, crushing our spirit. Without that we win easily.