preseason rank?

[p1k3]

Just seems dumb. Whoever out performs this dudes formula is "lucky". Doesnt mean a damn thing.

[jtksu]

But, HE'S GOT A FORMULA!!

[bigwilliestyle1407]

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/luckiest-teams-2011

Jesus, Damn glad I read this now I know the only reason we lost to the Pigaggies is because they out lucked us, and pushed their way into the top 10 of the lucky.......

[michigancat]

http://mgoblog.com/diaries/luckiest-teams-2011

This post had incredible results.

[CHONGS]

Coach I like wins close games = determination, good character, heart
Coach I like loses close games = bad luck, tough break, just having a down year

Coach I don't like wins close games = lucky, used trick plays, fluke year
Coach I don't like loses close games = poor character, lack of determination, no heart, sign that program is doomed

Remeber these are same posters, who for the most part, say Les Miles is lucky and not a very good coach.   

[Emo EMAW]

Coach I like wins close games = determination, good character, heart
Coach I like loses close games = bad luck, tough break, just having a down year

Coach I don't like wins close games = lucky, used trick plays, fluke year
Coach I don't like loses close games = poor character, lack of determination, no heart, sign that program is doomed

Remeber these are same posters, who for the most part, say Les Miles is lucky and not a very good coach.

This could be graphically represented in a 2x2 matrix.

[Emo EMAW]

Kinda wonder how awesome we'll be in NCAA 2012.

[p1k3]

I dont think we were lucky enough. Should have lucked our way to  a W in that Oklahoma State game.

[SabiNation]

Kinda wonder how awesome we'll be in NCAA 2012.

 

[That_Guy]

You mean NCAA 2013. Love the series. Watched some vids for it. Seems like they're going to have a lot more customizable roster as far as heads/hair/faces. And also, the shading/light on the field will change throughout the whole game continuously, not from quarter to quarter like before.


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[scoops callahan]

Kinda wonder how awesome we'll be in NCAA 12 NCAA 13.

Oh I know, hopefully I can play as kstate in online now

[Saulbadguy]

SIAP but have the football KATZ and basketball QHATZ been preseason ranked in the same year?

TIA, i'll hang up and listen

[KSU-Krazie]

Kinda wonder how awesome we'll be in NCAA 12 NCAA 13.

Oh I know, hopefully I can play as kstate in online now

Oh man, so many QB draws and Options. Klein won't be a tooth pick and get injured on every other play like last years version either.

[Cartierfor3]

SIAP but have the football KATZ and basketball QHATZ been preseason ranked in the same year?

TIA, i'll hang up and listen

2007?

Edit:  Nope.  Not in 2007. 

[The Manhatter]

my god you guys are an insufferable bunch. the fball team was outgained by 600 yards last year and almost/should've made it to a bcs bowl. how can you not say that they were lucky?

oh, the ole' we got outgained argument.  they're called "empty yards" and Texas Tech had a ton of 'em last year.  how did that work out for them.  I'll give you another example of how we made up those yards (return game, kicking game, and penatlies), increased possessions (turnovers), snuffed opposition's or capitalized on our own scoring chances.

The numbers...

NCAA rank

18th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teampenalties&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teamyardspenalized&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamturnovermrgn&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

4th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamtop&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

19th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamredzone&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

10th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_team4down&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkickret&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

30th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkoreturndef&site=org&div=IA&dest=O


If you're getting extra possessions per game, not giving away yards due to penalties, have good field position to start every possession, score when you get in the redzone, and maintain control of the ball...you're going to win a lot of games.

gee, thanks the manhatter. all of the above never occured to me because i'm a complete dumbass. below is a list of the final 2012 AP top 20 poll. please let me know which teams below were also recipients of "empty yards" last year.



alabama- +3200 yds
lsu- +1300 yds
oklahoma st- +1200 yds
oregon- +1900 yds
arkansas- +900 yds
usc- +1000 yds
stanford- +1900 yds
boise st-  +2100 yds
south carolina- +1300 yds
wisconsin- +1000 yds
michigan state- +1000 yds
michigan- +1000 yds
baylor- +800 yds
tcu- +1200 yds
kansas state- MINUS 700yds
oklahoma- +1800 yds
west virginia- +1600 yds
houston-  +3000 yds
georgia- +1800 yds
southern miss- +1600 yds

You make a very good point and I fully acknowledge that MOST of the time if you have a decisive edge in total yards over your opponent then you will be the victor.  But, there are many other factors that determine winning.  As you stated, you are not a dumbass and are aware of those things.  Since you are aware of those things I'll cite a few examples of "unlucky" teams.

7-6 Illinois +904
7-6 Florida +394
7-6 Western Michigan +304
7-6 Air Force +891
5-7 South Florida +923
3-9 Army +452
5-7 UCF +1,251
7-6 Texas A&M +1,457
8-5 Mizzou +1,242
7-6 Nevada +1,767
7-6 Utah State +1,184
4-8 La-Monroe +773
7-6 Cal +891


Certainly I did not provide nearly as good of examples as you did because, let's face it, much of the time if you get plenty more ball movement than your opponent you're going to have a solid record.

The NFL is a strong example of the point I am trying to make.  Most games at the pro level are determined by turnovers.  It isn't uncommon in the NFL to see teams get outgained by 150-200 yards and LOSE.  It happens nearly every weekend.  That would suggest it is less related to luck and more to do with details.  Teams who turn it over lose ball games and they always have.  Teams who gain far more turnovers, play well in the redzone on both sides of the ball, control the tempo, commit few penalties, and perform well in special teams....those teams do well. 

It should be no secret to KSU fans why Snyder's teams have been successful over the years.  We typically stop the run on defense, run the ball well, and have good special teams.  Those three factors have been Snyder's key to success.  It isn't "luck"...it's sound football.  For years Leach's offenses at Texas Tech rolled through Big 12 defenses but he never even sniffed a Big 12 South title with the exception of '08.  Nearly every time Leach's offenses faced Oklahoma or Texas they would accumulate masses of yardage but maybe 35-40% of those games would they result in the points that would match the yardage production.  Why?  Turnovers, redzone performance, etc. 

Football really isn't that difficult to figure out.  If you're starting Field position averages somewhere around your own 40 (either due to turnovers advantage, penalties, or special teams play) and your opponents' avg field position is their own 25 then over the course of a game and season you don't have to be NEARLY as successful moving the ball to score pts and win games.  Well, we did that CONSISTENTLY last season and that is certainly not "luck".

Thank you for your participation in this matter.

[wes mantooth]

I'll never understand how some of you guys can type such long posts. 

[JKEYS]

my god you guys are an insufferable bunch. the fball team was outgained by 600 yards last year and almost/should've made it to a bcs bowl. how can you not say that they were lucky?

oh, the ole' we got outgained argument.  they're called "empty yards" and Texas Tech had a ton of 'em last year.  how did that work out for them.  I'll give you another example of how we made up those yards (return game, kicking game, and penatlies), increased possessions (turnovers), snuffed opposition's or capitalized on our own scoring chances.

The numbers...

NCAA rank

18th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teampenalties&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teamyardspenalized&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamturnovermrgn&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

4th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamtop&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

19th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamredzone&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

10th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_team4down&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkickret&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

30th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkoreturndef&site=org&div=IA&dest=O


If you're getting extra possessions per game, not giving away yards due to penalties, have good field position to start every possession, score when you get in the redzone, and maintain control of the ball...you're going to win a lot of games.

gee, thanks the manhatter. all of the above never occured to me because i'm a complete dumbass. below is a list of the final 2012 AP top 20 poll. please let me know which teams below were also recipients of "empty yards" last year.



alabama- +3200 yds
lsu- +1300 yds
oklahoma st- +1200 yds
oregon- +1900 yds
arkansas- +900 yds
usc- +1000 yds
stanford- +1900 yds
boise st-  +2100 yds
south carolina- +1300 yds
wisconsin- +1000 yds
michigan state- +1000 yds
michigan- +1000 yds
baylor- +800 yds
tcu- +1200 yds
kansas state- MINUS 700yds
oklahoma- +1800 yds
west virginia- +1600 yds
houston-  +3000 yds
georgia- +1800 yds
southern miss- +1600 yds

You make a very good point and I fully acknowledge that MOST of the time if you have a decisive edge in total yards over your opponent then you will be the victor.  But, there are many other factors that determine winning.  As you stated, you are not a dumbass and are aware of those things.  Since you are aware of those things I'll cite a few examples of "unlucky" teams.

7-6 Illinois +904
7-6 Florida +394
7-6 Western Michigan +304
7-6 Air Force +891
5-7 South Florida +923
3-9 Army +452
5-7 UCF +1,251
7-6 Texas A&M +1,457
8-5 Mizzou +1,242
7-6 Nevada +1,767
7-6 Utah State +1,184
4-8 La-Monroe +773
7-6 Cal +891


Certainly I did not provide nearly as good of examples as you did because, let's face it, much of the time if you get plenty more ball movement than your opponent you're going to have a solid record.

The NFL is a strong example of the point I am trying to make.  Most games at the pro level are determined by turnovers.  It isn't uncommon in the NFL to see teams get outgained by 150-200 yards and LOSE.  It happens nearly every weekend.  That would suggest it is less related to luck and more to do with details.  Teams who turn it over lose ball games and they always have.  Teams who gain far more turnovers, play well in the redzone on both sides of the ball, control the tempo, commit few penalties, and perform well in special teams....those teams do well. 

It should be no secret to KSU fans why Snyder's teams have been successful over the years.  We typically stop the run on defense, run the ball well, and have good special teams.  Those three factors have been Snyder's key to success.  It isn't "luck"...it's sound football.  For years Leach's offenses at Texas Tech rolled through Big 12 defenses but he never even sniffed a Big 12 South title with the exception of '08.  Nearly every time Leach's offenses faced Oklahoma or Texas they would accumulate masses of yardage but maybe 35-40% of those games would they result in the points that would match the yardage production.  Why?  Turnovers, redzone performance, etc. 

Football really isn't that difficult to figure out.  If you're starting Field position averages somewhere around your own 40 (either due to turnovers advantage, penalties, or special teams play) and your opponents' avg field position is their own 25 then over the course of a game and season you don't have to be NEARLY as successful moving the ball to score pts and win games.  Well, we did that CONSISTENTLY last season and that is certainly not "luck".

Thank you for your participation in this matter.

DNR

[420seriouscat69]

I'll never understand how some of you guys can type such long posts.

Ya, seems exhausting.

[Katpappy]

my god you guys are an insufferable bunch. the fball team was outgained by 600 yards last year and almost/should've made it to a bcs bowl. how can you not say that they were lucky?

oh, the ole' we got outgained argument.  they're called "empty yards" and Texas Tech had a ton of 'em last year.  how did that work out for them.  I'll give you another example of how we made up those yards (return game, kicking game, and penatlies), increased possessions (turnovers), snuffed opposition's or capitalized on our own scoring chances.

The numbers...

NCAA rank

18th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teampenalties&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&div=IA&rpt=IA_teamyardspenalized&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamturnovermrgn&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

4th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamtop&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

19th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamredzone&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

10th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_team4down&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

9th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkickret&site=org&div=IA&dest=O

30th: http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2011&rpt=IA_teamkoreturndef&site=org&div=IA&dest=O


If you're getting extra possessions per game, not giving away yards due to penalties, have good field position to start every possession, score when you get in the redzone, and maintain control of the ball...you're going to win a lot of games.

gee, thanks the manhatter. all of the above never occured to me because i'm a complete dumbass. below is a list of the final 2012 AP top 20 poll. please let me know which teams below were also recipients of "empty yards" last year.



alabama- +3200 yds
lsu- +1300 yds
oklahoma st- +1200 yds
oregon- +1900 yds
arkansas- +900 yds
usc- +1000 yds
stanford- +1900 yds
boise st-  +2100 yds
south carolina- +1300 yds
wisconsin- +1000 yds
michigan state- +1000 yds
michigan- +1000 yds
baylor- +800 yds
tcu- +1200 yds
kansas state- MINUS 700yds
oklahoma- +1800 yds
west virginia- +1600 yds
houston-  +3000 yds
georgia- +1800 yds
southern miss- +1600 yds

You make a very good point and I fully acknowledge that MOST of the time if you have a decisive edge in total yards over your opponent then you will be the victor.  But, there are many other factors that determine winning.  As you stated, you are not a dumbass and are aware of those things.  Since you are aware of those things I'll cite a few examples of "unlucky" teams.

7-6 Illinois +904
7-6 Florida +394
7-6 Western Michigan +304
7-6 Air Force +891
5-7 South Florida +923
3-9 Army +452
5-7 UCF +1,251
7-6 Texas A&M +1,457
8-5 Mizzou +1,242
7-6 Nevada +1,767
7-6 Utah State +1,184
4-8 La-Monroe +773
7-6 Cal +891


Certainly I did not provide nearly as good of examples as you did because, let's face it, much of the time if you get plenty more ball movement than your opponent you're going to have a solid record.

The NFL is a strong example of the point I am trying to make.  Most games at the pro level are determined by turnovers.  It isn't uncommon in the NFL to see teams get outgained by 150-200 yards and LOSE.  It happens nearly every weekend.  That would suggest it is less related to luck and more to do with details.  Teams who turn it over lose ball games and they always have.  Teams who gain far more turnovers, play well in the redzone on both sides of the ball, control the tempo, commit few penalties, and perform well in special teams....those teams do well. 

It should be no secret to KSU fans why Snyder's teams have been successful over the years.  We typically stop the run on defense, run the ball well, and have good special teams.  Those three factors have been Snyder's key to success.  It isn't "luck"...it's sound football.  For years Leach's offenses at Texas Tech rolled through Big 12 defenses but he never even sniffed a Big 12 South title with the exception of '08.  Nearly every time Leach's offenses faced Oklahoma or Texas they would accumulate masses of yardage but maybe 35-40% of those games would they result in the points that would match the yardage production.  Why?  Turnovers, redzone performance, etc. 

Football really isn't that difficult to figure out.  If you're starting Field position averages somewhere around your own 40 (either due to turnovers advantage, penalties, or special teams play) and your opponents' avg field position is their own 25 then over the course of a game and season you don't have to be NEARLY as successful moving the ball to score pts and win games.  Well, we did that CONSISTENTLY last season and that is certainly not "luck".

Thank you for your participation in this matter.

DNR

This is easy, just quote a long post, add a few words, and presto, you look like you put a whole bunch of effort in it.  Basically, most fans DNR.

[_33]

Thank you for your participation in this matter.

STOP BEING A JERK TO EVERYONE.

[The Manhatter]

Thank you for your participation in this matter.

STOP BEING A JERK TO EVERYONE.

easy big fella.  I like all of these posters with which I have some debates.  To me it's like arguing over sports with a friend.  The light-hearted jabs are in fun. 

[_33]

Thank you for your participation in this matter.

STOP BEING A JERK TO EVERYONE.

easy big fella.  I like all of these posters with which I have some debates.  To me it's like arguing over sports with a friend.  The light-hearted jabs are in fun.

Yeah, I know.

EDIT: I guess.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think the yardage discrepancy mainly is the product of running our dinosaur offense against everyone else's high-powered offense. When your strategy is to hold onto the football and keep the game close, hoping your opponent makes more mistakes than you do, you shouldn't be surprised when you play in a lot of close games and consistently get outgained. Snyder had an excellent gameplan last year for a team that lacked in ability but was very strong in discipline. Run the clock, keep the very shallow defense fresh, don't turn the ball over, and capitalize on mistakes. The only game that really got away from us was OU, and as soon as we abandoned the run, we were terrible.

I agree with Daris that the Coffman/Thomas offense was much better than Klein/Hubert. Hopefully Klein is much better this year (I think he will be) or Sams starts by the end of the season. We need a passing threat if we are going to blow many teams out.

[bubbles4ksu]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7871848/college-football-live-preseason-top-25

#13. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/7871848/college-football-live-preseason-top-25

#13. 

13 is about where we should be. FSU at #7 is a joke, and I think West Virginia will struggle in the Big 12.