Did anyone see Prince's email yet?

[mjrod]

"Did you know that 45 of 70 players were on academic warning?"

one look at your graduation rates and that shouldn't be surprising

Link?

[snivelcat]

I wish I could see Mr. Luman's email that spawned this.

I didn't see it, but I've had it read to me by someone on the receipt list.  Mainly in response to the firing/leaving of assistant coaches and other staff.

[Houstoncat93]

from: [email protected]

cc: "Ron Prince" <[email protected]>

Why the two different domains? 

[mjrod]

One's an alias.

[cireksu]

type in www.ksu.edu

and www.k-state.edu

tell me what you come up with.

[mjrod]

What does that have to do with e-mail?

[ksuno1stunner]

GP dudes thinks its legit.

[cireksu]

What does that have to do with e-mail?

I'm not a "computer guy" but I assume that because the school has 2 domains then email could have 2 domains.  Maybe I'm wrong? 

[mjrod]

Yes, you could have two e-mail accounts, one for k-state.edu and one for ksu.edu.

However, having to maintain two accounts is difficult to do when you're in Prince's position, so they have one as his regular e-mail, the other is an alias that dumps into the regular.    That's my guess, but he could have two e-mail accounts and manage both of them.

[cireksu]

Ahhhhhhh, I assumed that the 2 domains would go to the same account.

[waks]

"Did you know that 45 of 70 players were on academic warning?"

one look at your graduation rates and that shouldn't be surprising

We graduate the highest percentage of student athletes in the entire big XII. Try again.

[WildCatzPhreak]

"Did you know that 45 of 70 players were on academic warning?"

one look at your graduation rates and that shouldn't be surprising

We graduate the highest percentage of student athletes in the entire big XII. Try again.

Oops!

Waks, you should know Nebraska fans don't know anything about reality.  They live in a fantasy world.

[FBWillie]

from: [email protected]

cc: "Ron Prince" <[email protected]>

Why the two different domains? 

Noticed that as well; I'm willing to bet he had a secretary type it for him as he spoke.  There's probably two email accounts; one that he uses primarily; and one that goes to an assistant.  All of his mail probably goes to the assistant, where it's read and forwarded to prince if it requires anything beyound coach speak. 

I do this all of the time for the owner of our co.  He has two email accounts.  One that we advirtise on the websight, and one that only his friends know about.  All of the crap mail goes to me and I respond for him.  Sometimes he just tells me what to write, and rather than sitting at his computer to do it for him; I type it and send it out for him. 

His assistant probably typed it and CC'd it to weiser and prince so they'd have a copy. 

That one detail makes me believe this is legit; as if this was a forgery; no one would have thought to do something like that.

[WILDCAT NATION]

Here is the original latter to Prince and Wefald supposedly...

cut and pasted from the email I got (not directly from anyone on the original mind you)


Sent by a guy in OP . I left out his info. I'm sure he is thrilled with Wildcatnation getting his contact numbers.

"Cc:"Dr. Jon Wefald" , "Ron Prince"
>Subject:
>
>Attached is an article appearing in yesterday's Manhattan Mercury. The
story was prompted by the reported firing of Jim "Shorty" Kleinau, the
Football Equipment Manager of the last 28 years. We have all discussed the
football coaching staff turnover issues among ourselves, but now the ax
seems to be falling deep into the foundation of the football program. I
have been a supporter of Coach Prince from day one, and maybe I am
becoming too much of a softie in my old age, but it seems to me that
releasing individuals who have given so much to Kansas State University
for such a long time is just not the right thing to do. We all understand
that winning is more fun than the alternative, but I guess I just do not
understand how replacing the long-time equipment manager is going to
translate to more W's. "

Thanks.  Totally classless, Nation!

How did I get dragged into this.

If someone did go to the effort of faking it (I, however, think it's legit for the same reasons FAN does), they apparently had emailed him before because that's his exact signature.  I have emailed him on a couple of occasions...most recently asking about some other OOC opponents he might be working on.

I tend to think it's him that replies to a lot of them (Blackberry)...but who knows.  I know when I've emailed Mr. Weiser, all I get is a canned response that I'm sure is sent by a secretary.  I think I might have it memorized.

Raheem liked to email too.

[toddly76]

from: [email protected]

cc: "Ron Prince" <[email protected]>

Why the two different domains? 

Noticed that as well; I'm willing to bet he had a secretary type it for him as he spoke.  There's probably two email accounts; one that he uses primarily; and one that goes to an assistant.  All of his mail probably goes to the assistant, where it's read and forwarded to prince if it requires anything beyound coach speak. 

The two acounts are actually the same account.  Several years ago K-State changed its website address from www.ksu.edu to www.k-state.edu.  They are both the same sight and will both take you the same place.  Similarily if you go to the KSU webmail sight (webmail.ksu.edu or webmail.k-state.edu) they are the exact same.  I'm a student with a @k-state.edu and I still type it ksu.edu like I did when I as a freshman.  Again they are the same account.  No difference.  No conspiracy.

[mjrod]

from: [email protected]

cc: "Ron Prince" <[email protected]>

Why the two different domains? 

Noticed that as well; I'm willing to bet he had a secretary type it for him as he spoke.  There's probably two email accounts; one that he uses primarily; and one that goes to an assistant.  All of his mail probably goes to the assistant, where it's read and forwarded to prince if it requires anything beyound coach speak. 

The two acounts are actually the same account.  Several years ago K-State changed its website address from www.ksu.edu to www.k-state.edu.  They are both the same sight and will both take you the same place.  Similarily if you go to the KSU webmail sight (webmail.ksu.edu or webmail.k-state.edu) they are the exact same.  I'm a student with a @k-state.edu and I still type it ksu.edu like I did when I as a freshman.  Again they are the same account.  No difference.  No conspiracy.

As I said, one is actual, the other is an alias.  You're perception is logically correct, but in reality, you have one box under one of those domains, and the other just points to it.

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

As I said, one is actual, the other is an alias.  You're perception is logically correct, but in reality, you have one box under one of those domains, and the other just points to it.

[PurplePowerhouse]

"I try to respond to every letter, email and call so that you do not have to go to tabloid sources for information"

lol.  What a liar.  Like he has enough time in a day to answer all the emails he gets.

I've sent Prince email before and received personal replies...and for the record, I'm just "Joe Fan," not some big money, fat-cat donor.  Look, you can tell when the response you get is a "canned" message.  That's not what I got from Prince.  Whether you want to believe it or not, he DOES personally respond to emails that are sent his way.

[waks]

Someone tell him not to &@#% with the jerseys.

[sonofdaxjones]

Cornhole dumbasses on this board continue to prove how stupid they are:

KSU 2006 NCAA Football Graduation Rate Report:

Graduation Success Rate 76%

Federal Graduation Rate 63%

[michigancat]

I don't get why so many people:

A) Don't believe Ronald really sent this
B) Don't want to believe Ronald really sent this

What's the big f'ing deal?

[waks]

Chad, you graduated, right?

[waks]

Gopowercat is trying to validate it as we speak.

[thesta]

I know most the folks on that list.  Mainly because I work with someone on that list.  I asked him/her about why Prince fired Shorty.  He/She showed me the e-mail.

It's legit.

And as a ku fan, I have to say I'm impressed with what Prince said.  I've questioned a number of Prince decisions since he took over (and hoped they turned out for the worse), but I think this was rather calculated.  The people on that list have been tied to KSU for quite some time, and are in fact friends with Shorty.  They are the kind of people that hope KSU wins them all, but not at the expense of a dear friend and a valuable friend of the KSU football program.  That's why the e-mail was sent.  I think Prince knew there was a good chance this would get beyond the hands of the recipients.  So he took a lot of time and effort in his response, addressing a lot of concerns outside those of Mr. Luman so that fans understand the depth of the program's problems.  Perhaps intentionally, he took a shot at the previous regime.  But you can't say it wasn't deserved if it is in fact true a number of students were within an eyelash of academic casualty. 

Whether or not he wins ballgames, he comes out looking pretty sharp to this Jayhawk fan.

[Norm93]

I don't get why so many people:

A) Don't believe Ronald really sent this
B) Don't want to believe Ronald really sent this

What's the big f'ing deal?

You do remember a portion of the fanbase that thought his video on the VA website was cut / pasted / butchered to make him look good, right?   Then they realized that he could coach-speak with the best of 'em.  Then his team beat Texas, then lost to ku.  All of the sudden, he was the devil, especially for not beating a Top-15 team in the first bowl game that KSU had participated in in 3 years. 

I'm not ready to annoint him as the "chosen one", but he has lit some fires to burn the program-killing apathetic efforts that ran the FB program into the ground the past few years. 

[waks]

This past football season was so up and down I could barely stand to follow it. Prince hired = everyone saying who the F is that guy.
After hearing Prince speak = everyone loving him
Towards the beginning of the season = everyone questioning crap he is doing
After the Illinois State game = a lynch mob is nearly formed to go after him
After FAU, Marshall, and staying in the Louisville game = everyone likes him again
After Baylor game = F Ron Prince
After OSU game = Awesome, Freeman's a God
After NU and Mizzou games = I don't know about this guy
After CU and ISU = We may not get beat by +40 against Texas
After Texas = Holy crap we are Fcking AWESOME!!!! 
After ku game = I hate Ron Prince
After Rutgers game = This blows, our football program sucks
After recruiting class is finalized = This isn't that bad
After Shorty gets fired = Crumbling foundation that Snyder built
After email = this kind of makes sense

I can't go through another season like that.

[toddly76]

Waks, I have to say that is the most succinct and accurate rundown of this season I've seen.  I personally think since Snyder's leaving our fanbase has been ever more fickle and nervous...the foundation of snyder and his godlike status to the fans and boosters meant that his failings would be passed over even though the program was struggling.  I revere Snyder more than anyone I know but give Prince  a chance...we're going to be looking like Alabama fans if we don't watch out how we treat a first year coach.

[waks]

I still have a completely open mind. As long as we keep seeing improvement then I will be happy. A 8 win season will satisfy me this year. I would also like a bowl win. But an 8 win season is the most important thing to me right now..

[dr00d]

This past football season was so up and down I could barely stand to follow it. Prince hired = everyone saying who the F is that guy.
After hearing Prince speak = everyone loving him
Towards the beginning of the season = everyone questioning @#%$ he is doing
After the Illinois State game = a lynch mob is nearly formed to go after him
After FAU, Marshall, and staying in the Louisville game = everyone likes him again
After Baylor game = F Ron Prince
After OSU game = Awesome, Freeman's a God
After NU and Mizzou games = I don't know about this guy
After CU and ISU = We may not get beat by +40 against Texas
After Texas = Holy @#%$ we are Fcking AWESOME!!!! 
After ku game = I hate Ron Prince
After Rutgers game = This blows, our football program sucks
After recruiting class is finalized = This isn't that bad
After Shorty gets fired = Crumbling foundation that Snyder built
After email = this kind of makes sense

I can't go through another season like that.

LOL
that was pretty good.

[michigancat]

Holy @#%$!  NJHawk gets owned in the face by Prince.  (this is part one - the full text exceeds the character limit)

So help me God, I've spent my free time over the last 3 days going skimming Prince's novel looking for errors, lies, misrepresentations and sheer arrogance. I'm gonna post the the document with my comments, but here is a summary of what I found:

Indictments of Bill Snyder's 4erformance: 10 sentences
Praise for Bill Snyder: 3 sentences
Pompous Statements or Pronouncements: 12
Bald Faced Lies: 2
Spelling/Grammar/Punctuation/Capitalizatoin Errors: 14

FYI - I decided to track the spelling (etc...) errors because Prince is so freaking scary smart, reads so many freaking books and is so freaking impressed with his own intelligence, that in this day of word processors and advanced e-mail clients, there is no excuse for any of these errors to crop up. I did decide, however, not to track sentence fragments, because I'd still be marking up the e-mail in 2038 if I had.

Here we go:
Quote:Mr Luman,
Thank you for addressing this with
me directly, I really appreciate it. I've had the chance to meet you and get to
know you a little bit and your reaction is not unexpected.

This is a very
lengthy response. I try to respond to every letter, email and call so that you
do not have to go to tabloid sources of information. (“Tabloid” has many
meanings. From this context, it can pretty much only mean something luridly or
vulgarly sensational. In other words, all sources outside of Prince, including
and especially the media, are lurid or vulgarly sensational. This is Prince’s
first, but far from his last, pompous pronouncement in this little
novel) Please feel free to respond after reading it. This is a very
critical moment in the growth/development of this program and I want you to
decide for yourself with as much information as I can give you.

My first
objective before the discussions with the administration &amp; upon arrival in
Manhattan was to look at "why". Why would a coach retire after so much success?
Why did the team, after winning the Big XII championship finish in last place in
the north division two straight years? (Indicts Snyder for
losing) The bottom line is that there is never one thing, its many
things or everything. From planning, to performance, to attitudes and to
drive/hunger. (Indicts Snyder for poor planning, performance and
drive) I asked a lot of questions, did a lot of listening, reading and
watching. Well, I set a plan to do the following:

1) Fix recruiting.
(Indicts Snyder for poor recruiting) Everything from who, what,
where, why and how. The roster was about to undergo a deep transition because of
the next two senior classes being devoid of so many players who "signed" but
never made it to Manhattan or players who couldn't hold it together enough to
stay in school. We just didn't think we had enough talent to sustain winning in
the future and evaluated that was a main difference in the recent teams and
those teams that won the Big 12 north titles.

Recruiting is not "sales"
and "fast-talking", its (Should be “it’s”. Not scary smart
punctuation) a plan. Parents commit their kids to us for 4 years
(Prince, however, reserves the right to renege on his commitment to
their kids at any time) and their decisions are the life-blood of a
college football program. From emphasis, to evaluation, to building the talent
pool, to strategizing and finally "the fit".

I know we are on the right
track from both a "tool/talent" aspect as well as a "make-up" standpoint. While
we will be a young team again this year, the future is very bright.

2)
Immediately fix the adult/student relationship in the building. Some of asst
coaches &amp; people in the Vanier Complex at K-State let all of you down,
bottom line. (Indicts Snyder for having a poor staff) Beside
(Should be “besides”. Not scary smart grammar) recruiting,
there were other issues (that are not appropriate for me to repeat)
(Indicts Snyder for something undefined that can only be inferred to be
deeply scandalous. That's not pompous, its slimy.) that were occuring
(Should be occurring. Not scary smart spelling) and those
things were eroding the confidence of the players, and discouraging people in
the program who were working passionately to "win". There were some people just
going thru the motions and some simply not even moving. (Indicts Snyder
for not motivating his coaches and players) Understand the standard
that was set at K-State (you got everyone's attn in college football) and now
all the competition is reacting to that standard and some people in our
organization rested on their laurels. (Second indictment of Snyder for
not motivating his coaches and players) I asked some very close friends
of mine to come and help me get this program turned around. They did. In fact, I
tried to warn them how hard this was going to be and that it could effectively
be viewed as the toughest job they would ever tackle (Indicts Snyder for
letting the program slip into oblivion) and it may cost us in ways
we may not now know.(Pompous. Drama. Queen.) They came
anyhow. They believed in what we were here to do. This year took its toll on
everyone involved, so we could get back into the post season, which was a
"minimum" requirement for the organization but unexpected by anyone evaluating
the program. Some "experts" (including media) thought we would win as few as one
game.

I believe, just as my old boss at Virginia believes, that you
reward and advance those people who sacrifice and accomplish "above and beyond"
the call of duty. That is what has occurred (Should be “occurred”. Not
scary smart spelling) with the asst coaches this offseason. I feel very
proud about what we accomplished this season (K-State went from 5-6 to
7-6. Definitely an accomplishment of epic proportions), considering
where we came from, but we are not National Champions at K-State yet!
(Prince got himself confused here. This is a letter to justify his
actions. He got lost in all the words and started down his patented BS marketing
path. If boosters are angry with you, that don’t want to hear about your dreams
for National Championships, they want to hear about how you are going to fix the
perceived problems. Regardless, more pompousity.) These coaches and
others put the program on their backs and carried it to a bowl game, winning
season, win over Texas , two terrific recruiting classes despite the fact that
EVERYONE had us dead-in-the-water picked consensus last place pre-season. Could
everyone be wrong? Why did everyone say "it couldn't be done"? No, there was
reason that the team was in legitimate danger of finishing last for the third
straight year, but a small group of people changed all that. I am grateful to
those people and loyal to them. That's why, I will not stand in the way
(Um, how could he stand in the way?) of those coaches and their
families being rewarded by advancement (Tim Horton became an offensive
coordinator), financial reward (Raheem Morris Tampa almost doubling his salary)
or lifestyle (Abby Boustead to pursue her MBA to run a company someday)
(You don’t need a MBA to run a company and most people who hold MBA’s
don’t run companies). They basically did not see their families and put
life on hold for a year. (This is what all football coaches do, all
year, every year) I told them that it would be this hard and it was.
They kept fighting, yet others just sat. (Snyder is thrown under the
boss when his staff didn’t perform. When the staff didn’t perform for Prince, it
was entirely the staff’s fault)

The football profession took
notice of the work we did this year. Many, many programs came in pursuit of all
our coaches (including the head coach) (Bald faced lie. BCS schools that
replaced coaches in the off season: Alabama, Arizona State, Boston College, Iowa
State, Louisville, Miami, Michigan State, Minnesota, NC State, North Carolina,
Stanford. Minnesota might have given Prince a call, but not any of those other
programs) for the incredible job we did this year and for what people
know we will do in the future (key point) (So Prince’s word, which is
not highly regarded after the greyshirt/scholarship pulling fiasco, on what some
undefined group of people’s opinion of how Prince will do in the future,
constitutes a “key point”. Gotcha.) Some of them could not say no and
it would be irresponsible for us (K-State) to compete with NFL type salaries
(I thought Prince chose not to stand in people’s way, not that he was
prevented from standing in their way due to economics), especially when
we have infrastructure issues to address for the long-term success of this
program. The changing economics in asst coaching salaries are due to a couple of
factors. First, with the success of Tony Dungy, Lovie Smith, Sean Payton and
Herm Edwards, many programs (college &amp; pro) (Prince says college and
pro, but he only talks about pro coaches. Changes in the pro coaching
environment are not changes to the college coaching environment. He might be
able to build a case here, but his choice of examples reflects an effort that is
both lazy and sloppy) are wanting (“wanting” is incorrect verb
use. Not scary smart grammar) to find the next terrific coach who can
do what these gentlemen have done. Some of our coaches that did not leave (James
Franklin/Tim Tibesar/Matt Wallerstedt), but could have (Franklin only
stuck around because he couldn’t find another job, Tibesar was promoted beyond
his wildest dreams and Wallerstedt is K-State to the core, he even grew up in
Manhattan), fit that mold and will be sought in the future. Second, the
salaries that some programs (Alabama-2.5 million pool per yr) are now paying for
asst coaches has changed (Its only semantics, but Prince’s second point
as detailed here is identical to his first point), forever, the
economic landscape and all of their direct competitors (SEC &amp; teams they
recruit against) have taken an aggressive position "to compete/survive"
financially with them (Pat Washington going to Miss State to recruit his
hometown of Mobile, Al).

Even coaches that haven't coached a snap here
at K-State, who are excellent coaches, once identified with us, they became
targets (Wes McGriff going to Miami ). (This is Prince’s second bald
faced lie. McGriff was a hot commodity before Prince hired him. I won’t go into
details, but Prince lied to McGriff in order to get him to come to K-State over
other schools that we trying to land him.) In years to come we have
others who will be as aggressively pursued, because they are very good at what
they do and have a work-ethic that is know in our business as being a "grinder".
These coaches are no different than the young person trying to make partner in a
law, advertising or consulting firm.

If this sounds strange to you, go
back and look at coach (Should be “Coach”. Not only poor capitalization,
but also disrespectful) Snyder's tenure (and before) and you'll see
some of the best coaches in college &amp; professional football were once asst
coaches here. (Stop the presses; Prince actually praises Snyder, the man
who gave K-State its only extended success) Some were successful and
well known here and for some it didn't work out and they had more success
elsewhere. Its part of our business. This is a major factor about being the head
coach at K-State (asst coach turnover) (This is either an admission that
Prince believes K-State is the only program that experiences high turnover,
which is both stupid and insane, or that a job at K-State is so bad it produces
high turnover. I’m not sure which belief is more disturbing if I’m a Wildcat
fan) that I knew before I took the job. Its (Should be “it’s”.
Not scary smart punctuation by Prince) my job to replace them with
other great coaches, not just guys who won't leave. I've got news for you, we
have.

Frank Leonard, who we just hired to coach the tight ends, turned
down multiple lucrative NFL coaching jobs to come to K-State this offseason for
much less. He's spent the last few years with the best football organization in
the world-the New England Patriots. He's here because he believes in what we're
doing. (More BS. Leonard is there because no other organization thought
he was capable of being a position coach. The fact that Leonard MAY have been
offered more money by NFL teams in no way means those organizations were willing
to offer him the level of responsibility Leonard wanted. That is why he is at
K-State, not because he believes in Prince)

Dave Brock, who will
coach our wr's, turned down a job to coach with Rutgers to come here (and he's
from New Jersey!) (Interesting. Considering Rutgers didn’t lose any
staff, Brock was probably offered an administrative position. I grew up in NJ
too, but I’m not moving back there for a demotion). Watch the Univ of
North Carolina in the next couple of seasons, because as recruiting coordinator,
he assembled two of the best classes in their schools' history that coach
Bunting elected to red-shirt and now Butch Davis will reap the rewards
for.

We've had coaches (Ricky Rahne and our newest defensive graduate
assistant) give up their full-time coaching jobs at other places to come and
work for free as graduate assistants here at K-State because they know we will
do it right (Or, it could be that they know that you need a Masters
degree to climb the coaching ladder and K-State was the first BCS school to
offer them the opportunity), we will win and if they work hard-they too
will advance.

All these guys are rising super stars in the business,
you've just never heard of them. You shouldn't, that's not your job-its mine.
(In case you missed it, this is Prince telling the readers that he is
smarter than they are. Its also pompous as hell)

There's no free
lunch for these coaches. We work hard, long hours with much stress and pressure.
We wouldn't have it any other way. Its (Should be “it’s”. Not scary
smart punctuation by Prince) the only way to get where we want to go.
If coaches don't or can't perform they know it causes the organization to
suffer. But they all have wives and families they must provide for and students
at K-State they are responsible to &amp; for.