Did anyone see Prince's email yet?

[Huskerfan]

Wow...two pages of drivel wondering whether a pointless email is legitimate.

Who cares?

[mjrod]

I've seen this sort of thing before, from executives ... usually immediately prior to an utter disaster.  For the benefit of the students in the crowd: if you get emails like this from executives in your employer's organization *RUN* don't walk but *RUN* for the nearest exit.  If you fail to be an early adopter of the "I'm getting the &*$@! out of here while the getting's good" attitude you might get trampled.  Change is good and it does create vast opportunities but only for those who are at the top of the game driving the changes, if you're along for the ride watch out.

I like Prince and I think he's both a bright and sincere guy.  I also think the odds against him having any significant success at KSU are long.  And this email does smell more than a bit of desperation. 

Example?

[AzCat]

Example?

Are you familiar with the history of the Iridium and Teledesic programs down there in the Valley of the Sun?  Corpspeak of this type precedes the fall.  Though the whole thing smacks of desperation the content isn't nearly as bad as: a) the fact that he felt the need to say anything at all of this sort, and b) they way in which he said it.  I don't really have a problem with it, I'm just calling 'em as as I see 'em in light of my own experience.  YMMV

[mjrod]

Example?

Are you familiar with the history of the Iridium and Teledesic programs down there in the Valley of the Sun?  Corpspeak of this type precedes the fall.  Though the whole thing smacks of desperation the content isn't nearly as bad as: a) the fact that he felt the need to say anything at all of this sort, and b) they way in which he said it.  I don't really have a problem with it, I'm just calling 'em as as I see 'em in light of my own experience.  YMMV

Yes.  And I don't think this is the same thing.

[AzCat]

Example?

Are you familiar with the history of the Iridium and Teledesic programs down there in the Valley of the Sun?  Corpspeak of this type precedes the fall.  Though the whole thing smacks of desperation the content isn't nearly as bad as: a) the fact that he felt the need to say anything at all of this sort, and b) they way in which he said it.  I don't really have a problem with it, I'm just calling 'em as as I see 'em in light of my own experience.  YMMV

Yes.  And I don't think this is the same thing.

Me either as I'll be surprised if we find out that Prince is actually the author here. 

[dr00d]

The power of one single email and others who copy it around. 

Can you believe this thread spawned a thread just like it on so many other boards?  They finally got the email copied over to the Wabash at gpc.com and several people there are confirmed they received the original email from Prince, so I'd say that validates it.  I'm still waiting to see the original email to Prince.

[waks]

The power of one single email and others who copy it around. 

Can you believe this thread spawned a thread just like it on so many other boards?  They finally got the email copied over to the Wabash at gpc.com and several people there are confirmed they received the original email from Prince, so I'd say that validates it.  I'm still waiting to see the original email to Prince.

That doesn't validate anything. Those guys make up some weird crap sometimes..

[mjrod]

The power of one single email and others who copy it around. 

Can you believe this thread spawned a thread just like it on so many other boards?  They finally got the email copied over to the Wabash at gpc.com and several people there are confirmed they received the original email from Prince, so I'd say that validates it.  I'm still waiting to see the original email to Prince.

That doesn't validate anything. Those guys make up some weird @#%$ sometimes..

No, it's real.

I think drood put it on here first.

[waks]

The power of one single email and others who copy it around. 

Can you believe this thread spawned a thread just like it on so many other boards?  They finally got the email copied over to the Wabash at gpc.com and several people there are confirmed they received the original email from Prince, so I'd say that validates it.  I'm still waiting to see the original email to Prince.

That doesn't validate anything. Those guys make up some weird @#%$ sometimes..

No, it's real.

I think drood put it on here first.

8-4 and K-State won't lose another game all year (we're 2-3 since then).

[nosejob]

Prince is an attention hoor.

[dr00d]

The power of one single email and others who copy it around. 

Can you believe this thread spawned a thread just like it on so many other boards?  They finally got the email copied over to the Wabash at gpc.com and several people there are confirmed they received the original email from Prince, so I'd say that validates it.  I'm still waiting to see the original email to Prince.

That doesn't validate anything. Those guys make up some weird @#%$ sometimes..

No, it's real.

I think drood put it on here first.

Yeah, when I first got the email, I read through it and posted it here.  Hey, at least you can see your site produced something besides trolls and tard fights, MJ.

I was simply stating that, although most of the people on other sites don't believe, there are a ton of people with good information on gpc.  You just have to sort through all the trash and read between the lines with some posters.  I have no doubt that some of the people that were cc'd in that email are members of gpc.

[mjrod]

The power of one single email and others who copy it around. 

Can you believe this thread spawned a thread just like it on so many other boards?  They finally got the email copied over to the Wabash at gpc.com and several people there are confirmed they received the original email from Prince, so I'd say that validates it.  I'm still waiting to see the original email to Prince.

That doesn't validate anything. Those guys make up some weird @#%$ sometimes..

No, it's real.

I think drood put it on here first.

Yeah, when I first got the email, I read through it and posted it here.  Hey, at least you can see your site produced something besides trolls and tard fights, MJ.

I was simply stating that, although most of the people on other sites don't believe, there are a ton of people with good information on gpc.  You just have to sort through all the trash and read between the lines with some posters.  I have no doubt that some of the people that were cc'd in that email are members of gpc.

The tard fights are not real, they're choreographed.. like rasslin'.   

Anyway, yeah, GPC has lots of good stuff, but me and Super Mario Chalmers talked about it for a while and he and I thought it was nicely done.   Prince being raised in a military background, this is just the kind of stuff a military commander does..well the good ones anyway.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

The power of one single email and others who copy it around. 

Can you believe this thread spawned a thread just like it on so many other boards?  They finally got the email copied over to the Wabash at gpc.com and several people there are confirmed they received the original email from Prince, so I'd say that validates it.  I'm still waiting to see the original email to Prince.

That doesn't validate anything. Those guys make up some weird @#%$ sometimes..

No one who wanted to make a false email under Prince's name would have the energy nor the sheer poetic awesomeness that Bold and Daring exhibits with this 'email' that is in all respect a literary masterpiece.

[waks]

He had to have made fifty drafts of that damn email.

[ksu_FAN]

1st, I think it is from Prince.  2nd, I don't think he minded that it went public.   Sort of an "indirect response" to Janssen and the like.

[chum1]

I think it deserves a reply.  In fact, each sentence deserves a three or four sentence response.  Everyone pick a sentence and fire away.  We'll send it off to Ron when all sentences have been responded to.

[dr00d]

1st, I think it is from Prince.  2nd, I don't think he minded that it went public.   Sort of an "indirect response" to Janssen and the like.

A person would have to assume that any email can be made public at any time.  Someone like Prince, who at least seems pretty "tech savvy" should and does know this.

[markp68]

Seems really, really odd that a head FB coach would do something like this.  BS wouldn't have done it.  Mason wouldn't have done it, but he was a prick anyway.  Terry Allen might've, but I doubt he would have expounded this way and in such detail.  Mangino has alluded to the way the program was when he got here verbally, but he has never written a prodigous email to any fans that I am aware of.  I wrote him an email back in '02 without response, and anything I've received from him has been terse and one-sentence.

Do you guys think he would talk (or has talked) to the media about the letter?  Especially the academic dirty laundry?  That seems the most surprising aspect of the letter to me.

[michigancat]

Do you guys think he would talk (or has talked) to the media about the letter?  Especially the academic dirty laundry?  That seems the most surprising aspect of the letter to me.

I don't think he would discuss it publicly, but he definitely wanted it made public, like FAN said.  Does that make sense?

[dr00d]

Here is the original latter to Prince and Wefald supposedly...

cut and pasted from the email I got (not directly from anyone on the original mind you)


Sent by a guy in OP . I left out his info. I'm sure he is thrilled with Wildcatnation getting his contact numbers.

"Cc:"Dr. Jon Wefald" , "Ron Prince"
>Subject:
>
>Attached is an article appearing in yesterday's Manhattan Mercury. The
story was prompted by the reported firing of Jim "Shorty" Kleinau, the
Football Equipment Manager of the last 28 years. We have all discussed the
football coaching staff turnover issues among ourselves, but now the ax
seems to be falling deep into the foundation of the football program. I
have been a supporter of Coach Prince from day one, and maybe I am
becoming too much of a softie in my old age, but it seems to me that
releasing individuals who have given so much to Kansas State University
for such a long time is just not the right thing to do. We all understand
that winning is more fun than the alternative, but I guess I just do not
understand how replacing the long-time equipment manager is going to
translate to more W's. "

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

and maybe I am becoming too much of a softie in my old age, but it seems to me that
releasing individuals who have given so much to Kansas State University
for such a long time is just not the right thing to do.

That sounds more like Snyder's philosophy towards assistant coaches over the last few years.

[Tulsa Cat]

I tend to believe the E-mail is from Prince.. This may make me appear an idiot if he later recants. 

The "shorty thing" really doesn't bother me.  Perhaps Prince wanted a higher tech level of managment that shorty was unwilling to implement.  Perhaps shorty was tired and left.  I don't know and neither to you guys. 

What I do know is that the football program was sinking fast and looked like crap the two years prior to Prince.  A lot of that was due to the attitude of the players and assitant coaches.  Many seemed to be complacent after winning a Big XII title.  This combined with a drop off in talent due to recruiting busts and lack of player development on the offensive and defensive lines led to losses. 

I believe Snyder was wise to realize he really didn't have the desire to do what was required to turn it around quickly.  I may be suffering from a bad case of drinking the purple Koolaid but the revelations in the letter make sense to me.  I have renewed confidence in this team heading into next year.

Perhaps I am faling into the evil trap which Prince has sprung?  If so the waters warm and feels good so far.
 

[michigancat]

Here is the original latter to Prince and Wefald supposedly...

cut and pasted from the email I got (not directly from anyone on the original mind you)


Sent by a guy in OP . I left out his info. I'm sure he is thrilled with Wildcatnation getting his contact numbers.

"Cc:"Dr. Jon Wefald" , "Ron Prince"
>Subject:
>
>Attached is an article appearing in yesterday's Manhattan Mercury. The
story was prompted by the reported firing of Jim "Shorty" Kleinau, the
Football Equipment Manager of the last 28 years. We have all discussed the
football coaching staff turnover issues among ourselves, but now the ax
seems to be falling deep into the foundation of the football program. I
have been a supporter of Coach Prince from day one, and maybe I am
becoming too much of a softie in my old age, but it seems to me that
releasing individuals who have given so much to Kansas State University
for such a long time is just not the right thing to do. We all understand
that winning is more fun than the alternative, but I guess I just do not
understand how replacing the long-time equipment manager is going to
translate to more W's. "

Thanks.  Totally classless, Nation!

[cireksu]

I'm sure that this is his.  He didn't say anything that wasn't known did he.  What's the big deal.  He's re-stating what is obvious to some but what others choose not to see.

[michigancat]

I'm sure that this is his.  He didn't say anything that wasn't known did he.  What's the big deal.  He's re-stating what is obvious to some but what others choose not to see.

Was it known that "someone" tried to hire him?  Did you know that 45 of 70 players were on academic warning?

[cireksu]

Have you read bill Snyder's book???  Did you see or hear about players being suspended this spring and summer for undisclosed reasons?  Including players shuffled on the depth chart and such for "no apparent reason"


I didn't know he was pursued by other schools.

[michigancat]

Have you read bill Snyder's book???  Did you see or hear about players being suspended this spring and summer for undisclosed reasons?  Including players shuffled on the depth chart and such for "no apparent reason"

Um, no I haven't read Snyder's book.  However, players being suspended and moved on the depth chart happens all the time.  I didn't see anything that made me think "45 players are an eyelash away from being ineligible".

I also didn't know that guy turned down a job at Rutgers.

[cireksu]

well bill snyder said in his book that there were things going on in the program recently that as he put it "crept" in and he nor the staff could get a handle on them and stop them.  Doesn't explicetly say grades but I think he did mention discepline.


Also this summer KK was interviewing BS and asked if they recruited JF.  Said that he was on their radar early and got "bad" information about him.  Apparently one of the assistants F'd that up.  Snyder dropped the topic immediately.

[catinthehat]

"Did you know that 45 of 70 players were on academic warning?"

one look at your graduation rates and that shouldn't be surprising

[catinthehat]

prince is the master of an old politician technique used when things go wrong called deflect and deny.