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January 24, 2007, 01:43:47 PM
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If your black it's natural

If you are white it's racism**

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January 24, 2007, 01:45:41 PM
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I think if you're white it's called "suburbia".

January 24, 2007, 01:50:03 PM
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If you are white it's racism**



I think if you're white it's called "suburbia".
exactly
thats why I posted that question above. It happens all time the other way around, but if you're not a minority its not as obvious.

January 24, 2007, 01:56:58 PM
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If you are white it's racism**



I think if you're white it's called "suburbia".
exactly
thats why I posted that question above. It happens all time the other way around, but if you're not a minority its not as obvious.

My next door neighbors are Chinese.  The neighbors across from me are African-American.  Of course, that's not too common here in Kansas, and Rusty's point is a good one.

I don't think the issue here is community, though.  As I noted above, Mizzou is less diverse than KSU.  Dalonte Hill and Eric Martin and plenty of KSU players are African-American.  The way that Hannah's quote was phrased, it appears that his mother made some significant point of the fact that Mike Anderson is an African-American and Bob Huggins is not.  The only issue, as Hannah phrased it, seems to be the race of two individuals.  Hannah's mom probably felt that Anderson would care more about Stefhon as a person and not just as a basketball player, and Anderson being African-American probably played into this equation, and Hannah chose a poor way to phrase it. 
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January 24, 2007, 01:58:20 PM
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Interesting the Petro is having a conversation with a similar slant today on his show...

Folks, whether we like it or not there are biases in this country from all of us.  Everybody.  To me "racism" goes beyond bias and to putting someone else down b/c they are not of your race.  This could be interpreted as racism, but I think that's taking it too far, and frankly its easy for white people to do it b/c we've probably never experience racism.  However, though the severity may not be like it was in the 50s, it still happens.  Take a basketball team with 15 of 18 kids of color to a small town where everyone looks the same and you will notice some stares, and sometimes a negative vibe.  I know b/c I've done it, and I'm white; but b/c I had a connection with the kids I still felt it.

Well, to get back to the point, to me this is more of a bias, which aren't necessarily bad.  I really think Rusty's analogy is much more appropriate.  Really, no one got hurt or put down by his comment.  It didn't cause Huggins any trauma and it really didn't cause us any harm.  He simply chose MU over KSU, and his connection to the coach was part of it.  One connection was that they were the same race, which is a minority situation so its easy to go down the racism road with it, but I don't think that's the case.  If racism was truly involved, Hannah would've never considered K-State in the first place.  And judging by the comments, I think the mom's bias toward Huggins was based on his reputation, it had nothing to do with him being white.

That said, I have no problem with "mamas boy" ribbing when he comes here b/c that was part of how it went down.  I don't have any problem with our fans being upset about that, I just don't think race should be the big issue here.

Okay, that's enough rant, back to basketball discussion. :)
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January 24, 2007, 02:10:43 PM
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If Hannah and Mayo weren't scum, they'd play for The Purple.  You don't really need to go any deeper than that.

January 24, 2007, 02:16:53 PM
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Racism is alive and well it's just not as overt as it was 40 years ago.  That is all.

I'd love to have hannah on ths team.  Anyone know what his assist/TO is?

January 24, 2007, 02:19:47 PM
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I'd love to have hannah on ths team.  Anyone know what his assist/TO is?

81-59.

January 24, 2007, 02:21:36 PM
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I'd love to have hannah on ths team.  Anyone know what his assist/TO is?

81-59.

That ratio is almost identical to DGBY's, (who sucks, apparently).

January 24, 2007, 02:22:13 PM
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Avg. 4.8 Assists/game
Avg. 3.5 TO/Game


January 24, 2007, 02:27:31 PM
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We'd have Hannah instead of Maybank.  Anyone who wouldn't take that is nuts, no disrespect meant to Maybank.  

That said, Hannah is running into a pretty typical mid-year slump for a JUCO guy.  It would be great to have Stewart, Hannah, and Young as a rotation at PG, though we'd play 2 of these guys together a lot.  I think Hannah would've struggled some at PG for us as well.  Horton has been playing PG a lot more for MU lately and has better A-TO #s than Hannah.

January 24, 2007, 02:38:18 PM
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crap, I had no idea my fark would start a racial debate.  :blindfold:

January 24, 2007, 03:55:36 PM
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If Hannah's mother wanted him to play for a black coach, it's stupid to assume that it's because of race.  It could very well be that she wants a black male role model for him.   Among African American's, and the stigma associated with black males being less than honorable (which I don't agree with, but exists) it's not uncommon for young boys to be influenced by men of a less than honorable nature.  Hannah's mom fits the profile of someone who wants her son to have positive role models of the same color and you can't fault her for that.

January 24, 2007, 04:41:23 PM
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Imagine if Jason Bennett's choice had come down to KSU vs. Mizzou, and he chose KSU, and said afterwards:  "My mom said I'd be playing for a tough coach, a white man who wants the best out of you," Bennett said.  "It was a wake-up call to me."

That's the thing.  People would cringe if JB said that.  Everyone wants equality and racial harmony, but they are unwilling to step up to the plate and call it what it is when its not a white person who says something racist or discriminates on the basis of race.  



100 percent right on.

January 24, 2007, 05:39:40 PM
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If Hannah's mother wanted him to play for a black coach, it's stupid to assume that it's because of race. 

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January 24, 2007, 05:54:38 PM
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If Hannah's mother wanted him to play for a black coach, it's stupid to assume that it's because of race.

No, what's stupid is that statement. If Hannah's mom wanted him to play for a black coach because he is black as opposed to white, then it's ALL about race. If race is taken into account in any way, shape, or form, then race is a factor. Period. And that's not an assumption.

January 24, 2007, 06:03:23 PM
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To give an example of the mentality espoused by some in this thread I provide the following lesson:

College Republicans on several campuses across the country have offered "white only" scholarships to "expose the hypocrisy" or affirmative action.  The "point" they try to make is stupid because it willfully ignores the following realities:

*We all know, or should know, the history of systematic disenfranchisement of African Americans in this country by whites
*This system created realities that continue to impact the lives of African Americans in this country
*At Universities, excluding traditionally black colleges, Stefon is part of a small minority of students

Mj's post is well put and I think people need to stop being such knee-jerk reactionarys and play a little role reversal game before they blare some sort of reverse-racism rant.
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January 24, 2007, 06:03:56 PM
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If Hannah's mother wanted him to play for a black coach, it's stupid to assume that it's because of race.

No, what's stupid is that statement. If Hannah's mom wanted him to play for a black coach because he is black as opposed to white, then it's ALL about race. If race is taken into account in any way, shape, or form, then race is a factor. Period. And that's not an assumption.

No, it's not all about race.  You're just a racist if you can't see past the reality.  BTW: I'm hispanic.  I suppose that if I choose to have someone make taco's and I only want mexican's.. I guess it's because it's about race?

The problem you have here is understanding what she really wants.  It's wrong of you to assume that it's all because of race.    If you do, then who is really hung up on race?  Like I said, she more than likely wants a positive black role model for her son.   There is nothing wrong with that.. period.

Go get yourself a mocha latte and call it day before you say something even more profoundly stupid.

January 24, 2007, 06:10:04 PM
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BTW:  That's the last I'm saying on this subject.  If this subject starts to get out of hand, I'm gonna move this thread.

So, someone needs to post something about Hannah's whining and others need to start photoshopping and posting on crybaby's mentality.

January 24, 2007, 06:42:18 PM
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If Hannah's mother wanted him to play for a black coach, it's stupid to assume that it's because of race.

No, what's stupid is that statement. If Hannah's mom wanted him to play for a black coach because he is black as opposed to white, then it's ALL about race. If race is taken into account in any way, shape, or form, then race is a factor. Period. And that's not an assumption.

No, it's not all about race.  You're just a racist if you can't see past the reality.  BTW: I'm hispanic.  I suppose that if I choose to have someone make taco's and I only want mexican's.. I guess it's because it's about race?

The problem you have here is understanding what she really wants.  It's wrong of you to assume that it's all because of race.    If you do, then who is really hung up on race?  Like I said, she more than likely wants a positive black role model for her son.   There is nothing wrong with that.. period.

Go get yourself a mocha latte and call it day before you say something even more profoundly stupid.


Profoundly stupid? I don't give a f*ck whether you're black, white, brown, yellow, or green...if you acknowledge someone's race when making a personnel decision, then race is most certainly "a part of it." It's pretty simple.

Let's take a look-see a little analogy, shall we?

I want to buy a car. I compare two models: A and B. I decide that Model A is really the better car based on all-around performance. However, I've always had this thing for red cars, and Model A isn't available in red; Model B is. In the end, I buy Model B.

Now, would you say Model B played a part in my decision, or would you actually be so bold as to say, "If kougar wanted a red car, it's stupid to assume that it's because of paint color"?

Listen, I know where you and KK are going with your arguments, but in this day and age, when it comes down to a player choosing one coach over another—not because of the coach's track record, style of play, or program, but because of the color of his skin—then yes, his decision was "because of race."

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I suppose that if I choose to have someone make taco's and I only want mexican's.. I guess it's because it's about race?

For that analogy to work, you'd have to assume that black people naturally make better basketball coaches than white people. That what you're claiming?

January 24, 2007, 07:58:16 PM
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Again, I think it important to differentiate between racism and bias.  The comment is too ambiguous to assume racism, though in our PC world simply b/c you use a label people are going to jump on it.

Plus consider that of the 4 programs that Hannah visited, only 1 had a black coach.  Sure, he ended up there, but if this was a real case of racism, then that wouldn't have been the case.  mjrod's point about male role models is spot on.  Plus, I think at the end of the day the real bias from Hannah's mom was toward Huggins' reputation not his race.  Also, based on the quotes, Anderson did a great job of recruiting the mom as well as the kid which happens all the time.   There is no overt racism here IMO.

Again, I don't like how it went down with Hannah committing to us, then switching last minute b/c of mom's influence.  If she really didn't want him to go play for Huggins, then she should've made that clear b/c its obvious he was going to listen.  For this, he deserves all the "mamas boy" flack we can give him next wednesday night.

January 24, 2007, 07:58:30 PM
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January 24, 2007, 08:26:43 PM
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I am so disappointed.  When I opened this thread I thought it was a "CALL to Action" to get the student section to chant Momma's Boy everytime he touches the ball. 

That would be sweet and definitely what he deserves.  Tough to just shrug that off and not let it bother you if it happens ALL GAME LONG!!!

How can we make that happen?


January 24, 2007, 08:43:30 PM
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Rusty is racist.

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January 24, 2007, 09:13:07 PM
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I am so disappointed.  When I opened this thread I thought it was a "CALL to Action" to get the student section to chant Momma's Boy everytime he touches the ball. 

That would be sweet and definitely what he deserves.  Tough to just shrug that off and not let it bother you if it happens ALL GAME LONG!!!

How can we make that happen?



That was my intent, until it got hijacked. Then I just played along.

January 25, 2007, 06:32:46 AM
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That was my intent, until it got hijacked. Then I just played along.


taking a boring thread and turning into a more interesting discussion isn´t hijacking.
"these are no longer “games” in the commonly accepted sense of the term. these are free throw shooting contests leavened by the occasional sprint to the other end of the floor."

January 25, 2007, 06:45:57 AM
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Mamma's boys don't bother me so much.  And racism is pretty much a dead issue these days.  I'm more interested in discussing what makes Hannah such a bad person.

January 25, 2007, 06:49:07 AM
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Mamma's boys don't bother me so much.  And racism is pretty much a dead issue these days.  I'm more interested in discussing what makes Hannah such a bad person.

s. hannah is a bad person because he is a mother-loving racist.
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"these are no longer “games” in the commonly accepted sense of the term. these are free throw shooting contests leavened by the occasional sprint to the other end of the floor."

January 25, 2007, 09:32:27 AM
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That was my intent, until it got hijacked. Then I just played along.


taking a boring thread and turning into a more interesting discussion isn´t hijacking.

Fair enough.  :)  I actually didn't mean that in a negative way; threads get hijacked most of the time, and people just bitch about it too much.