We can't have it both ways

[NYRoyal]

The original poster made a great point.  If you want the University to give the coach more money, that money has to come from somewhere.  It doesn't grow on trees.  It isn't merely a matter of Currie wanting to keep him.  He has to have the money.  And perhaps they need to get more revenue out of Bramlage.  If that means turning some student seating into higher revenue seating, so be it.  This isn't socialism.  This is capitalism.  If you want to give money to someone, you have to get money from someone.

[ednksu]

anyone who advocates moving students out of 19,20,21 is a fracking idiot.  Make ICAT the way it was.  Charge significantly more, go BACK to reserved seating and raise the rest of the seats 15%-20%.  More then enough for raises and faculties.

icat used to be reserve seating?

all of them use to be.  circa 2001/02

students should be willing to pay a crap ton more for that.  the system is already rigged to allow the same people to get those seats.

[BillFiller]

yeah we should definitely move the students.

i don't like how our program is getting national attention for having a great home atmosphere either.  we need to do something immediately to make sure possible recruits don't mistake us for anything out of the ordinary.

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[thebigchuckbowski]

anyone who advocates moving students out of 19,20,21 is a fracking idiot.  Make ICAT the way it was.  Charge significantly more, go BACK to reserved seating and raise the rest of the seats 15%-20%.  More then enough for raises and faculties.

icat used to be reserve seating?

Yes, it was awful.

[cheapseats]

When Kansas State elected to build a new stadium,  student tuition was raised in order to pay for it (unlike cigarette taxes in Nebraska).  To get this increase to pass, compensations to the students were made:  number of student tickets available and where these seats would be located.  Best deal that they ever made, both for the students and K-State.

Without the current support of the student, Kansas State basketball would not be where it is at today.

[NYRoyal]

When Kansas State elected to build a new stadium,  student tuition was raised in order to pay for it (unlike cigarette taxes in Nebraska).  To get this increase to pass, compensations to the students were made:  number of student tickets available and where these seats would be located.  Best deal that they ever made, both for the students and K-State.

Without the current support of the student, Kansas State basketball would not be where it is at today.

Do you think it is important to K-State basketball to keep the coach?  Where do you think the money should come from which will pay him more than he could get elsewhere?

Basically, I hear a lot of people saying, "We have to keep this number of student seats and in these prime spots" and "The University has to pay Frank Martin what he deserves!"  Do you see how those two things are in conflict?  It's like wanting the government to give you great services, but not wanting to pay taxes.  That doesn't work.

[sys]

Basically, I hear a lot of people saying, "We have to keep this number of student seats and in these prime spots" and "The University has to pay Frank Martin what he deserves!"  Do you see how those two things are in conflict?  It's like wanting the government to give you great services, but not wanting to pay taxes.  That doesn't work.

they aren't in conflict.  men's bball is substantially in the black (ca. 1.2 mill per last year's budget and currie yesterday).  the money is just being spent on stuff that isn't men's bball.

[KSUWizard]

When Kansas State elected to build a new stadium,  student tuition was raised in order to pay for it (unlike cigarette taxes in Nebraska).  To get this increase to pass, compensations to the students were made:  number of student tickets available and where these seats would be located.  Best deal that they ever made, both for the students and K-State.

Without the current support of the student, Kansas State basketball would not be where it is at today.

Do you think it is important to K-State basketball to keep the coach?  Where do you think the money should come from which will pay him more than he could get elsewhere?

Take it out of JC fat ass contract.  If FM takes the Cats to the NCAA, his bonus should go towards the new contract of FM.

[cheapseats]

When Kansas State elected to build a new stadium,  student tuition was raised in order to pay for it (unlike cigarette taxes in Nebraska).  To get this increase to pass, compensations to the students were made:  number of student tickets available and where these seats would be located.  Best deal that they ever made, both for the students and K-State.

Without the current support of the student, Kansas State basketball would not be where it is at today.

Do you think it is important to K-State basketball to keep the coach?  Where do you think the money should come from which will pay him more than he could get elsewhere?

Basically, I hear a lot of people saying, "We have to keep this number of student seats and in these prime spots" and "The University has to pay Frank Martin what he deserves!"  Do you see how those two things are in conflict?  It's like wanting the government to give you great services, but not wanting to pay taxes.  That doesn't work.

Good point.  I guess the only thing I can think of is:   The students are helping to make this program a winner, and it is easier to find financial support for a winner.

[ednksu]

students have CHEAP &@#%ING TICKETS FOR GREAT SEATS.  MAKE THEM PAY.  Add 20% to all other tickets.  Make ICAT worth it again!

anyone who advocates moving students out of 19,20,21 is a fracking idiot.  Make ICAT the way it was.  Charge significantly more, go BACK to reserved seating and raise the rest of the seats 15%-20%.  More then enough for raises and faculties.

icat used to be reserve seating?

Yes, it as awful.

justify your statement because you look like a retard right now. 

[catsdo]

yeah we should definitely move the students.

i don't like how our program is getting national attention for having a great home atmosphere either.  we need to do something immediately to make sure possible recruits don't mistake us for anything out of the ordinary.

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[kst8fan99]

The Chairbacks are the only seats that should be assigned seating.  This keeps the priority points system in place for the donors. 

The rest of the arena should be GA, priced by section so you can purchase tickets at the price you can afford.  Your price for the section you want would be a base price.  You then get a discount for 1-donation level, 2 - discount for young alumni that goes down every year you are out of school, 3 - discount for active students, 4 - discounts for purchasing season tickets to other sports. 

Keep sections 18-21 students only.  The rest of the arena would be FCFS.  This allows the students to buy premium tickets at a good price.  Student ID would be required in this section.  You also get the best fans closest to the action because they will be the ones who are willing to show up early to get the seats they want.  These are the fans that make the most noise.  Keeping them closest to the floor will make the entire arena look crazy.

Keep one section for day of game walk up tickets.  That would make tickets available to everyone.  College athletics should be available to everyone.

Just some thoughts.  Begin criticism now.


 

[mcmwcat]

i like this idea

1.  The student section should be cutoff around row 15.  But, to keep to same allocation, the student section section should extend out behind the basketball goals.  And students should be crammed into floor seats behind the goals.  



2.  New "premium" chairback seats should be installed on the east side above the student section.  Boost ticket prices.  

[ednksu]

The Chairbacks are the only seats that should be assigned seating.  This keeps the priority points system in place for the donors. 

The rest of the arena should be GA, priced by section so you can purchase tickets at the price you can afford.  Your price for the section you want would be a base price.  You then get a discount for 1-donation level, 2 - discount for young alumni that goes down every year you are out of school, 3 - discount for active students, 4 - discounts for purchasing season tickets to other sports. 

Keep sections 18-21 students only.  The rest of the arena would be FCFS.  This allows the students to buy premium tickets at a good price.  Student ID would be required in this section.  You also get the best fans closest to the action because they will be the ones who are willing to show up early to get the seats they want.  These are the fans that make the most noise.  Keeping them closest to the floor will make the entire arena look crazy.

Keep one section for day of game walk up tickets.  That would make tickets available to everyone.  College athletics should be available to everyone.

Just some thoughts.  Begin criticism now.


 

your donation idea is backwards to common sense.  Right now your donation allows you purchase in a certain section.  go research on ahearnfund.com to see the details.  

I have no problem with the current system.  Pay for what you want with your donation and you get closer to the floor based on your longevity.

[ksu_FAN]

We've had this discussion before when it didn't really matter.  One of the major problems with the OOD is the design; its basically a hole in the ground with cement stair steps.  It makes it really tough to make a distinguished upper and lower level and set vastly different prices.  Now they've got the old man-ish chair backs on seats and charge a little more, but overally its just a lot different when you can't clearly distinguish an upper and lower level for fans to choose from.

[Legore]

When Kansas State elected to build a new stadium,  student tuition was raised in order to pay for it (unlike cigarette taxes in Nebraska).  To get this increase to pass, compensations to the students were made:  number of student tickets available and where these seats would be located.  Best deal that they ever made, both for the students and K-State.

Without the current support of the student, Kansas State basketball would not be where it is at today.

Do you think it is important to K-State basketball to keep the coach?  Where do you think the money should come from which will pay him more than he could get elsewhere?

Basically, I hear a lot of people saying, "We have to keep this number of student seats and in these prime spots" and "The University has to pay Frank Martin what he deserves!"  Do you see how those two things are in conflict?  It's like wanting the government to give you great services, but not wanting to pay taxes.  That doesn't work.

They're not really in conflict because there is a BBALL surplus there to pay Frank Martin.   Just means taking away some of the money that is going to other sports and letting bball keep it.  Also to me a winner pays for itself therefore it makes no sense not to pony up to keep a winner.  Say we pay Frank 1.5 Mill or we get a SLTH and pay him 850K which is probably the going rate for a SLTH.   Frank will easily make up the 650K in increased ticket revenue, donations, merchandise sales, shoe contracts etc.  

[thebigchuckbowski]

students have CHEAP frackING TICKETS FOR GREAT SEATS.  MAKE THEM PAY.  Add 20% to all other tickets.  Make ICAT worth it again!

anyone who advocates moving students out of 19,20,21 is a fracking idiot.  Make ICAT the way it was.  Charge significantly more, go BACK to reserved seating and raise the rest of the seats 15%-20%.  More then enough for raises and faculties.

icat used to be reserve seating?

Yes, it as awful.

justify your statement because you look like a retard right now. 

I look like a retard because assigned seats in the student section is an awful idea?

1. Half the people sat in their assigned seats and half didn't, so the first 10 minutes of the game was spent arguing over where people shout sit.

2. It rewarded 6-year morons who couldn't graduate because they got first row, leaving the real fans that are freshmen in the back row (since seats were assigned at enrollment).

3. There was no reason to show up more than 5 minutes before the game since you already had seats and if anyone sat there you could get them kicked out so there was no atmosphere whatsoever.

I wouldn't mind splitting it into sections and charging more for the first 10 rows or something but assigned seating in a student section is absurd.

[TheMadCatter]

i like this idea

1.  The student section should be cutoff around row 15.  But, to keep to same allocation, the student section section should extend out behind the basketball goals.  And students should be crammed into floor seats behind the goals.  



2.  New "premium" chairback seats should be installed on the east side above the student section.  Boost ticket prices.  

Same here. If anything is changed, this would be a good plan. The students would still be together and even closer to the floor. The seats would, for the most part, still be good and the only ones with 'bad' seats would be those on the extreme ends.

[Andy]

i like this idea

1.  The student section should be cutoff around row 15.  But, to keep to same allocation, the student section section should extend out behind the basketball goals.  And students should be crammed into floor seats behind the goals.  



2.  New "premium" chairback seats should be installed on the east side above the student section.  Boost ticket prices.  

it sounds nice but i dont think too many big money people are going to pay to stand the whole game in order to see.

[hemmy]

They also get horrible seats

[BigCat]

i like this idea

1.  The student section should be cutoff around row 15.  But, to keep to same allocation, the student section section should extend out behind the basketball goals.  And students should be crammed into floor seats behind the goals.  



2.  New "premium" chairback seats should be installed on the east side above the student section.  Boost ticket prices.  

it sounds nice but i dont think too many big money people are going to pay to stand the whole game in order to see.

lol exactly my first thought. the way it is now, only a couple hundred people are subjected to being near the students, which I'm sure they're glad for.

[mcmwcat]

maybe you build an elevated level behind the students. 

[Cougar2k]

The "cut student tickets for chairbacks" crowd needs to realize that we're not a commuter school and can't pack the 'bram for tuesday night games against iowa state. Manhattan's size limits us and the balance between student and reserved seats we have now suits us well, financially and audibly.

[BMWJhawk]

I'm admittedly jealous of K-State's student section.  It would have been awesome sitting in the equivalent of $100,000 seats for less than $200 a year.
 

[ku4life]

It might be nice to sit that close but the Fieldhouse is still the best and loudest place to watch a college basketball game. It is so funny how k-staters think that you guys have this great home court advantage when win one game against the #1 team in the nation. Whenever anyone talks about best atmosphere at a college b-ball game K-state is never brought up lol. It's always ku, Duke, Kentucky, Carolina. K-state is not even in the conversation.

[waks]

I'm admittedly jealous of K-State's student section.  It would have been awesome sitting in the equivalent of $100,000 seats for less than $200 a year.
 

As you should be, it's awesome.

[dlew12]

It might be nice to sit that close but the Fieldhouse is still the best and loudest place to watch a college basketball game. It is so funny how k-staters think that you guys have this great home court advantage when win one game against the #1 team in the nation. Whenever anyone talks about best atmosphere at a college b-ball game K-state is never brought up lol. It's always ku, Duke, Kentucky, Carolina. K-state is not even in the conversation.

This is the loudest arena we've seen all season

There.  BTW, "The Phog" sounded like a morgue against Baylor.

[ku4life]

haha nice try! he didnt say it was the loudest. He said the most rowdy big difference! And it was not quiet at the Baylor game at all. There coaches had to write out plays on a dry erase board just so they could get set up. I know you k-staters are new to this whole camping and getting excited for basketball thing. But don't try to think to that you are better then your big bro to the east of you! Rock Chalk!!!

[ksu_FAN]

There coaches had to write out plays on a dry erase board just so they could get set up.

This is a great point.  Coaches commonly just tell their players verbally what to do in a set without drawing it up.  Just look at the last shot for Jimmy Chitwood in Hoosiers as an example.

[WildcatNkilt]

haha nice try! he didnt say it was the loudest. He said the most rowdy big difference! And it was not quiet at the Baylor game at all. There coaches had to write out plays on a dry erase board just so they could get set up. I know you k-staters are new to this whole camping and getting excited for basketball thing. But don't try to think to that you are better then your big bro to the east of you! Rock Chalk!!!

Laugh Out Loud    at not knowing coaches use dry-erase boards to write out plays.  Play organized basketball much?  Before dry-erase boards, they used small chalk boards.  This has been going on for a very long time by the way.