Frank's extension

[berford]

I was sitting on this information, but given last night's developments, I'd say it's time to spill.

There seems to be some hesitancy by the current athletic director to give Frank a significant raise. Negotiations are on-going, and while I'm not going to get into specific numbers, what he's been offered is still under $1M per season. There has been the suggestion that Frank hasn't done anything just yet to warrant a bigger raise, but again, given last night's developments, the atmosphere at the Octagon and how the Wildcats are legitimately national media darlings, I tend to disagree with that.

It's almost as if the current athletic director is daring Frank to leave or attempting to force his hand, as if he has someone else in mind to bring in when or if that happens. This, of course, is conjecture on my part, but actions - or lack thereof - speak loudly, no?

The man deserves a raise.

Quit trying to stir the pot... Curry seems like quite the honorable guy, so far. Let the season play out and see what happens. I think Frank's happy, and Curry has eyes and ears. I think he's a smart dude. We don't need any controversies at this point!

 

There's a thread on GPC noting Jeff's comments here with about 20 responses almost identical to this.  We have to realize that this is what a majority of KSU fans are.  Bumbling rubes.  

Well, word is Fitz is going to write something to the same or similar effect soon enough, and then the GPC flock will be moved to action. Maybe.

My point was all this talk of extensions is simply fueled by the big win last night. Better to address things when it all settles and heads are clearer.

And I was NEVER comparing FM to RP; it's was more a comparison of our inexperienced knee-jerk temporary AD to Curry. BIG difference.

I repeat. I don't think we need anyone trying to stir up any controversies. Frank seems to be happy and I trust Curry to treat him fair if and when the time comes.
 

[Jeffrey_Martin]

Why do you think Currie is a smart dude? The guy seems like a tard, honestly.

kstaters have an amazing capacity to believe whatever they want to believe.

available evidence that currie is smart:  1)  responds promptly to email.  2)  
available evidence that currie isn't smart:  the best connected beat writer kstate has ever had is publicly posting that he's a dumbass.


available evidence that martin is happy at kstate:  none.
available evidence that martin isn't happy at kstate:  1)  his salary is an insult, 2)  the best connected beat writer kstate has ever had is publicly posting that he has one foot out the door.

Um, if I'm the best connected guy you're talking about, much respect. But I have to quibble with your second point on Martin. I never said he had one foot out the door. You can infer that, and I'd be fine with that, but those words never came out of my mouth.

[Bhyaaaaa!]

Why do you think Currie is a smart dude? The guy seems like a tard, honestly.

kstaters have an amazing capacity to believe whatever they want to believe.

available evidence that currie is smart:  1)  responds promptly to email.  2)  
available evidence that currie isn't smart:  the best connected beat writer kstate has ever had is publicly posting that he's a dumbass.


available evidence that martin is happy at kstate:  none.
available evidence that martin isn't happy at kstate:  1)  his salary is an insult, 2)  the best connected beat writer kstate has ever had is publicly posting that he has one foot out the door.

Um, if I'm the best connected guy you're talking about, much respect. But I have to quibble with your second point on Martin. I never said he had one foot out the door. You can infer that, and I'd be fine with that, but those words never came out of my mouth.

THAT'S OUR SYS!!!   

[ksu_FAN]

My point was all this talk of extensions is simply fueled by the big win last night. Better to address things when it all settles and heads are clearer.

And I was NEVER comparing FM to RP; it's was more a comparison of our inexperienced knee-jerk temporary AD to Curry. BIG difference.

I repeat. I don't think we need anyone trying to stir up any controversies. Frank seems to be happy and I trust Curry to treat him fair if and when the time comes.
 

The talk of extensions is/was not fueled by last night's win, if anything its just an explanation point.  It would not be knee-jerk to begin work on a new contract for a coach that has only shown steady progress in not only maintaining, but building upon the base he recieved when he took the job.  Really, just look at the list of accomplishments for Frank right now, whether it be wins over ranked teams, attendance, road wins, league wins, overall wins, etc. and its hard to not see a need to bring his annual pay over $1 mil.  We're not asking for him to be paid like Barners or Self, or even Anderson.  But he should at least be paid like an upper division Big 12 coach and its hard for me to not see him in that light.

[ClayKat]

Honestly, I think Currie is either a genius or a dumbass.  He's either a genius for leaking this stuff out and getting the base riled up so that he's FORCED to give him a raise or he's a dumbass for playing chicken with what may potentially be the best coach we've had here in 40 years, and yes, I'm including Hartman and Kruger in that.  He has what appears to me to be the best foundation for consistent success since Hartman.

Let's be real, in the short timeframe Currie has been here, he doesn't know exactly how Frank has done what he's done, i.e. recruiting success and Frank hasn't been vetted by time.  He's a very young BCS AD who wants to be at that level or higher for a very long time.  If he pukes out a huge raise all on his own after a big win and somehow we get USC'd - his career will take a huge nosedive and he'll be the AD at Alcorn State.  I understand his need to become more comfortable with Frank's methodology before going nuts OR getting the fan base so riled up that he had no choice, so he has a bit of a scapegoat.

[Pete]

Why do you think Currie is a smart dude? The guy seems like a tard, honestly.

kstaters have an amazing capacity to believe whatever they want to believe.

available evidence that currie is smart:  1)  responds promptly to email.  2)  
available evidence that currie isn't smart:  the best connected beat writer kstate has ever had is publicly posting that he's a dumbass.


available evidence that martin is happy at kstate:  none.
available evidence that martin isn't happy at kstate:  1)  his salary is an insult, 2)  the best connected beat writer kstate has ever had is publicly posting that he has one foot out the door.

The k-state fan base is THE most naive in the country.  Simpleton jerkoffs.

We don't deserve this basketball program.

[Pete]

Honestly, I think Currie is either a genius or a dumbass.  He's either a genius for leaking this stuff out and getting the base riled up so that he's FORCED to give him a raise or he's a dumbass for playing chicken with what may potentially be the best coach we've had here in 40 years, and yes, I'm including Hartman and Kruger in that.  He has what appears to me to be the best foundation for consistent success since Hartman.

Let's be real, in the short timeframe Currie has been here, he doesn't know exactly how Frank has done what he's done, i.e. recruiting success and Frank hasn't been vetted by time.  He's a very young BCS AD who wants to be at that level or higher for a very long time.  If he pukes out a huge raise all on his own after a big win and somehow we get USC'd - his career will take a huge nosedive and he'll be the AD at Alcorn State.  I understand his need to become more comfortable with Frank's methodology before going nuts OR getting the fan base so riled up that he had no choice, so he has a bit of a scapegoat.

The "leak" didn't come from Currie's side.

[doom]

My point was all this talk of extensions is simply fueled by the big win last night. Better to address things when it all settles and heads are clearer.

And I was NEVER comparing FM to RP; it's was more a comparison of our inexperienced knee-jerk temporary AD to Curry. BIG difference.

I repeat. I don't think we need anyone trying to stir up any controversies. Frank seems to be happy and I trust Curry to treat him fair if and when the time comes.
 

The talk of extensions is/was not fueled by last night's win, if anything its just an explanation point.  It would not be knee-jerk to begin work on a new contract for a coach that has only shown steady progress in not only maintaining, but building upon the base he recieved when he took the job.  Really, just look at the list of accomplishments for Frank right now, whether it be wins over ranked teams, attendance, road wins, league wins, overall wins, etc. and its hard to not see a need to bring his annual pay over $1 mil.  We're not asking for him to be paid like Barners or Self, or even Anderson.  But he should at least be paid like an upper division Big 12 coach and its hard for me to not see him in that light.

He needs to get him the money tomorrow and retro pay for this year.  Then he needs to get a noticable effort for practice facilities by the end of the season.  Then he'd better be in Frank's office hand feeding that beautiful man grapes and filing his nails.  The guy earned it last year.  Currie I've liked you in the past, but this is your only job right now.  Get it done or take your googely ass back to Tennesse.  



p.s. the time came last year.  GMAFB

[wiley03]

  MOTHER FRACKER....  

[ClayKat]

Honestly, I think Currie is either a genius or a dumbass.  He's either a genius for leaking this stuff out and getting the base riled up so that he's FORCED to give him a raise or he's a dumbass for playing chicken with what may potentially be the best coach we've had here in 40 years, and yes, I'm including Hartman and Kruger in that.  He has what appears to me to be the best foundation for consistent success since Hartman.

Let's be real, in the short timeframe Currie has been here, he doesn't know exactly how Frank has done what he's done, i.e. recruiting success and Frank hasn't been vetted by time.  He's a very young BCS AD who wants to be at that level or higher for a very long time.  If he pukes out a huge raise all on his own after a big win and somehow we get USC'd - his career will take a huge nosedive and he'll be the AD at Alcorn State.  I understand his need to become more comfortable with Frank's methodology before going nuts OR getting the fan base so riled up that he had no choice, so he has a bit of a scapegoat.

The "leak" didn't come from Currie's side.

Did JMart PM you who it came from?  Let me in - even assuming that's so, it's conceivable that Frank actually understands Currie's position.  I mean, I don't necessarily believe there is an adversarial relationship there.  I think they both understand the dynamics of getting a coach like Frank whose career has skyrocketed in the context of unbelievable recruiting classes, fiscal disorder, a new AD hired under the backdrop of a corrupt former AD, etc.  The risky thing here is that there are plenty of schools desparate enough to take chances on Frank, that we may be averse to.  

I TOTALLY agree we need to pay Frank - I just don't think a lot of people are taking into account all the dynamics that go into it.

[KITNfury]

20,000 fans donating $5/month is $1.2M. If ksu sets up some sort of billpay or automatic payment, surely we could get this done, right?

[doom]

Dear Mr. Currie,

I have been a Frank Martin fan from day one.  He has represented this school with nothing but class and elevated the program to old heights that seems new.  I am discouraged to read from several media outlets I trust that you are hesitant to pay him a salary he has earned with constant success.  My opinion is that this program and your tenure as AD will collapse if this is not handle quickly and correctly.  Get the man a hefty raise comparable to other Big 12 schools.  He deserves it.  It will be much tougher to make the decision to donate and purchase season tickets next year if I'm making the 3 hour drive from Omaha to watch Tim Jankovich sink us back into the bottom half of the Big 12.  Please make the right decision.  I know you are new to the Wildcat family, but basketball is important to us. 

[JohnnyUtah]

Frank Martin himself is just as important as the success at this point in time, imo.

J-Mart, thanks for the info, but why today?

Because it's absurd that something hadn't been worked out already, and after last night, it's literally laughable. You talk about ambassadors of programs? Frank Martin IS K-State. No reason not to lock the man up long-term.

Glad to see we are on the same page here.

Would it be possible for you to moonlight as the K-State beat writer?

[robcat]

e-mail sent

[sys]

Um, if I'm the best connected guy you're talking about, much respect. But I have to quibble with your second point on Martin. I never said he had one foot out the door. You can infer that, and I'd be fine with that, but those words never came out of my mouth.

it's an inference.  i'm really good at reading between the lines.

[doom]

Because it's absurd that something hadn't been worked out already, and after last night, it's literally laughable. You talk about ambassadors of programs? Frank Martin IS K-State. No reason not to lock the man up long-term.

You are such a liar when you say you are not emaw.

[Del Tremens]

The last time we relied on the fact that we took a risk and provided a coach with a great opportunity to get (back) into a head coach spot it turned out pretty well, so we should probably do that again.  Then when Frank's on the plane to sunnier climes we can all whine about how loyalty means nothing.

What's okay:  reminding a coach that you gave him his big break to try to get him to stay when you're paying him market value.

What's not okay:  reminding a coach that you gave him his big break as an excuse to underpay him, after he's given every indication that he's building a program beyond your expectations when you first hired him.  This is an insult, and this is the type of thing that could cause a coach who is otherwise willing to make a long-term committment to seriously consider greener pastures.

What's weird about this is that just this morning I started thinking about Frank's extension and had this little nagging fear arise that maybe Currie isn't as concerned about keeping Frank as most Pakers are.  Then I came on here and read J-Mart's post.

We've seen plenty of examples of a successful coach who is driven out by an administration who doesn't like him or an administration who hasn't hired him.  While I'm not saying Frank has the same issues as these coaches, it would also be foolish to not acknowledge that these coaches are frequently known for their temper.  Currie did not hire Frank, and Currie could well be the type of AD who is leery of committing to a coach who is recognized for his emotional displays.  Or Currie could be the type of AD who can't wait to get his own guy in there ASAP ($weet Lew).  Do I think Frank is going to cross the line and do something on the level of a Mangino or a Bobby Knight?  No, and I think any reluctance to give Frank an extension on such grounds would be patently absurd.  But maybe Currie feels differently.  And if he does, that's going to be bad news for K-State basketball.  

[I_have_purplewood]

I wish I could say this development is shocking to me but as sclams' said to a varying degree, 'it's been going on for 20 years'.  I can't say that I'd turn my back on this &@#%ing school if they screw this one up but I'll be close to this as it comes..

[catzacker]

I love the whole "frank's a loyal guy".  yeah, know sh*t, but loyalty works both ways.  

"hey, you wanna be loyal to us?  great, okay, we'll pay you 200K more and then after next year when you lose pullen, sutton, kelly, and maybe jamar and have a so/so year, we'll put you on the hotseat.  sound good? what?  no, well, we don't have money.  I mean, we have money for football, baseball, and women's basketball, just not for you.  Okay, anyway, so you just sign right here.  Thanks for being loyal frank.  here's a hot dog."

[michigancat]

I've been a fan of sh*tty KSU basketball before, I can do it again.

[JohnnyUtah]

I love the whole "frank's a loyal guy".  yeah, know sh*t, but loyalty works both ways. 

"hey, you wanna be loyal to us?  great, okay, we'll pay you 200K more and then after next year when you lose pullen, sutton, kelly, and maybe jamar and have a so/so year, we'll put you on the hotseat.  sound good? what?  no, well, we don't have money.  I mean, we have money for football, baseball, and women's basketball, just not for you.  Okay, anyway, so you just sign right here.  Thanks for being loyal frank.  here's a hot dog.Bram dog"

fyp

Shouldn't the "Bram dog" be renamed the "DOOM dog" soon?

[Bookcat]

Wow, Jmart comes out and says basically what I've been saying for the last two seasons. yes!

tapout noted. Hilarious you would disagree.

sys summed up my position perfectly, tard.  You haven't given ANY real information.

Here are some facts.

1. Other schools have pledged more money than we have. Schools not in this conference.

2. Currie is hesitant to pay Frank a salary that is in the upper half of this league yet.

3. The Vaniers know what is at stake.

That's all I can say and that is pretty much in line with what JMart is trying to assert in this thread. He is a legend.

[JohnnyUtah]

I've been a fan of sh*tty KSU basketball before, I can do it again.

Why accept that?

You were a fan of sh*tty KSU basketball because of the hope of where the program is now. So you are here but wouldn't mind going back to the days of dreaming?

[Rick Daris]

I love the whole "frank's a loyal guy".  yeah, know sh*t, but loyalty works both ways. 

"hey, you wanna be loyal to us?  great, okay, we'll pay you 200K more and then after next year when you lose pullen, sutton, kelly, and maybe jamar and have a so/so year, we'll put you on the hotseat.  sound good? what?  no, well, we don't have money.  I mean, we have money for football, baseball, and women's basketball, just not for you.  Okay, anyway, so you just sign right here.  Thanks for being loyal frank.  here's a hot dog."

why does currie hate us so much? 

[Pett]

I love it. J-Mart has done more inside reporting in the last twenty-four hours then Kellis has done in the past four months.

And if John messes this up, then god have mercy on his soul.

E-Mails & calls were made.....don't worry.

[montywildcat]

This is classic negotiating. School of Business students should take notes.

In the mean while, let's enjoy what we have going and hope it lasts.

[Bookcat]

It's not Currie's name that is on the check to hand to Frank and his staff. I hope that is common knowledge. Maybe not on GPC...but it should be around here.

Its going to come down to the big donors coming up with the loot to have a big time program...or we'll be back to sucking. That simple.

[Rick Daris]

This is classic negotiating. School of Business students should take notes.

In the mean while, let's enjoy what we have going and hope it lasts.

uhhhh, no. and f^ck you while we're at it. you and people that think like this are part of the problem.

[PCR]

Frank and Co are just about total goners, IMHO.  It might be another year or two before Indiana or UCLA can scrape together $3M to take him, but it will happen.  In the meantime, doubling his salary would be a nice gesture to at least make him consider being loyal to K-State.  Structure it with a huge buyout and give him a 5+ year deal.

[michigancat]

1. Other schools have pledged more money than we have. Schools not in this conference.

Already clowned this BS.

2. Currie is hesitant to pay Frank a salary that is in the upper half of this league yet.

You've neve posted this.

3. The Vaniers know what is at stake.

You've never posted this.