Tuesday's Big Twelve Hoops Action

[kougar24]

NBA

[michigancat]

NBA

gtfoomf

[JTKSU]

NBA

gtfoomf

College basketball is pretty much the epitome.  Women's basketball sucks because the the girls aren't athletic enough, so they focus solely on "fundamentals."  NBA sucks for exactly opposite reasons.  Basically, the NBA just clears out room so that whoever decides it's their turn to go one-on-one with their defender will have a bigger stage.

[michigancat]

NBA

gtfoomf

College basketball is pretty much the epitome.  Women's basketball sucks because the the girls aren't athletic enough, so they focus solely on "fundamentals."  NBA sucks for exactly opposite reasons.  Basically, the NBA just clears out room so that whoever decides it's their turn to go one-on-one with their defender will have a bigger stage.

do you even know what a basketball fundamental is?

[JTKSU]

NBA

gtfoomf

College basketball is pretty much the epitome.  Women's basketball sucks because the the girls aren't athletic enough, so they focus solely on "fundamentals."  NBA sucks for exactly opposite reasons.  Basically, the NBA just clears out room so that whoever decides it's their turn to go one-on-one with their defender will have a bigger stage.

do you even know what a basketball fundamental is?

Dude, if you like what you see out of the NBA style of ball, you should go buy some of the And 1 mix tapes.  You would love that crap.  If the NBA's fundamentals are sound, why do we constantly get worked in international competition by far less talented teams?

[michigancat]

NBA

gtfoomf

College basketball is pretty much the epitome.  Women's basketball sucks because the the girls aren't athletic enough, so they focus solely on "fundamentals."  NBA sucks for exactly opposite reasons.  Basically, the NBA just clears out room so that whoever decides it's their turn to go one-on-one with their defender will have a bigger stage.

do you even know what a basketball fundamental is?

Dude, if you like what you see out of the NBA style of ball, you should go buy some of the And 1 mix tapes.  You would love that crap.  If the NBA's fundamentals are sound, why do we constantly get worked in international competition by far less talented teams?

Can you name a couple fundamentals?  Because you really sound like you have no idea what a fundamental is.

[sys]

the nba sucks.  hate bball snobs that try to act like a game's enjoyability is highly correlated with the skill of the players.

[cireksu]

NBA sucks. Hard

[pufizzle]

NBA

gtfoomf

College basketball is pretty much the epitome.  Women's basketball sucks because the the girls aren't athletic enough, so they focus solely on "fundamentals."  NBA sucks for exactly opposite reasons.  Basically, the NBA just clears out room so that whoever decides it's their turn to go one-on-one with their defender will have a bigger stage.

do you even know what a basketball fundamental is?

Dude, if you like what you see out of the NBA style of ball, you should go buy some of the And 1 mix tapes.  You would love that crap.  If the NBA's fundamentals are sound, why do we constantly get worked in international competition by far less talented teams?

I know........we just got owned when we won the gold medal last olympics...

[JTKSU]

NBA

gtfoomf

College basketball is pretty much the epitome.  Women's basketball sucks because the the girls aren't athletic enough, so they focus solely on "fundamentals."  NBA sucks for exactly opposite reasons.  Basically, the NBA just clears out room so that whoever decides it's their turn to go one-on-one with their defender will have a bigger stage.

do you even know what a basketball fundamental is?

Dude, if you like what you see out of the NBA style of ball, you should go buy some of the And 1 mix tapes.  You would love that crap.  If the NBA's fundamentals are sound, why do we constantly get worked in international competition by far less talented teams?

I know........we just got owned when we won the gold medal last olympics...

And we looked so dominant while losing 3 games en route to a Bronze in 2004.

[nicname]

NBA players are insane talented.  The skill level is astronomic.  Still, for the most part the game is boring.  Playoffs are a different story.

[JTKSU]

NBA players are insane talented.  The skill level is astronomic.  Still, for the most part the game is boring.  Playoffs are a different story.

QFT.  I will tune in to some playoff games, certain series especially.  But I basically never watch the regular season, outside of highlights on SC.

[JTKSU]

NBA

gtfoomf

College basketball is pretty much the epitome.  Women's basketball sucks because the the girls aren't athletic enough, so they focus solely on "fundamentals."  NBA sucks for exactly opposite reasons.  Basically, the NBA just clears out room so that whoever decides it's their turn to go one-on-one with their defender will have a bigger stage.

do you even know what a basketball fundamental is?

Dude, if you like what you see out of the NBA style of ball, you should go buy some of the And 1 mix tapes.  You would love that crap.  If the NBA's fundamentals are sound, why do we constantly get worked in international competition by far less talented teams?

Can you name a couple fundamentals?  Because you really sound like you have no idea what a fundamental is.

Ya got me there Russ.  I am completely oblivious to even the most basic elements of the game of basketball.  In stark contrast, (judging by your jealousy-inducing HBIQ posts) you are basically the second coming of Wooden.  I can only hope I have not offended you, oh God of the hardwood.  Please continue to regale us peons with your wisdom.   

[1albatross]

Good to see that I am not the only K-Stater that enjoys the NBA.  I know it's not as entertaining as college basketball, but the NFL also sucks in comparison to the college game.

The NBA is a great game now.  I know it went thru a few years in the 90's and early 2000's while the game was not the best.  I think a lot of that was due to the fact that so many of the kids were skipping college all-together.  It made it tough to recognize a lot of the stars and the kids just weren't mature enough to have all that money for the most part.  Made for a watered down game.

Now that the NBA is making the kids go to college for a year (should be two or three),  the game will bring in a lot more fans just to watch their former players.    Personally, I'm not a fan of the Heat but I love D-Wade and I love Beas.  Only reason I watch them is to see how the Beas is doing.  I'm sure several of you on this board hadn't watched a game in years (since Mitch retired) until Beas joined the league.

[michigancat]

NBA

gtfoomf

College basketball is pretty much the epitome.  Women's basketball sucks because the the girls aren't athletic enough, so they focus solely on "fundamentals."  NBA sucks for exactly opposite reasons.  Basically, the NBA just clears out room so that whoever decides it's their turn to go one-on-one with their defender will have a bigger stage.

do you even know what a basketball fundamental is?

Dude, if you like what you see out of the NBA style of ball, you should go buy some of the And 1 mix tapes.  You would love that crap.  If the NBA's fundamentals are sound, why do we constantly get worked in international competition by far less talented teams?

Can you name a couple fundamentals?  Because you really sound like you have no idea what a fundamental is.

Ya got me there Russ.  I am completely oblivious to even the most basic elements of the game of basketball.  In stark contrast, (judging by your jealousy-inducing HBIQ posts) you are basically the second coming of Wooden.  I can only hope I have not offended you, oh God of the hardwood.  Please continue to regale us peons with your wisdom.   

It wasn't like I asked you a difficult question. 

[fatty fat fat]

btw: i love seeing big 12 teams lose, but i know it will significantly hurt us for the ncaa's thingy.

very tough to watch big 12 teams during OOC because of these conflicting thingy's.

[JTKSU]

NBA

gtfoomf

College basketball is pretty much the epitome.  Women's basketball sucks because the the girls aren't athletic enough, so they focus solely on "fundamentals."  NBA sucks for exactly opposite reasons.  Basically, the NBA just clears out room so that whoever decides it's their turn to go one-on-one with their defender will have a bigger stage.

do you even know what a basketball fundamental is?

Dude, if you like what you see out of the NBA style of ball, you should go buy some of the And 1 mix tapes.  You would love that crap.  If the NBA's fundamentals are sound, why do we constantly get worked in international competition by far less talented teams?

Can you name a couple fundamentals?  Because you really sound like you have no idea what a fundamental is.

Ya got me there Russ.  I am completely oblivious to even the most basic elements of the game of basketball.  In stark contrast, (judging by your jealousy-inducing HBIQ posts) you are basically the second coming of Wooden.  I can only hope I have not offended you, oh God of the hardwood.  Please continue to regale us peons with your wisdom.   

It wasn't like I asked you a difficult question. 

Here's a simple example.  How is it that a superstar like Dwight Howard shoots 60 percent from the free throw line?  Is it that his incredible athleticism precludes him from being able to constantly make those unguarded shots?  Or is it that he has little real basketball skill other than dunking on people?  The league is literally full of people that rely almost entirely on their athletic ability to play the game.  It's a bunch of God damn Lester Earl types.  

[michigancat]

Here's a simple example.  How is it that a superstar like Dwight Howard shoots 60 percent from the free throw line?  Is it that his incredible athleticism precludes him from being able to constantly make those unguarded shots?  Or is it that he has little real basketball skill other than dunking on people?  The league is literally full of people that rely almost entirely on their athletic ability to play the game.  It's a bunch of God damn Lester Earl types.   

The NBA, as a league, shoots free throws better than the NCAA.   So how can you say the NBA doesn't focus on fundamentals enough?

Or, are you suggesting Dwight Howard would not have been a superstar in the NCAA because of his poor "fundamentals"? 

[cas]

btw: i love seeing big 12 teams lose, but i know it will significantly hurt us for the ncaa's thingy.

very tough to watch big 12 teams during OOC because of these conflicting thingy's.

yep me too.

[michigancat]

btw: i love seeing big 12 teams lose, but i know it will significantly hurt us for the ncaa's thingy.

very tough to watch big 12 teams during OOC because of these conflicting thingy's.

yep me too.

What about tomorrow if aTm plays Huggs?

BTW, for me, it makes it very enjoyable.  I thouroughly enjoy watching guys like turgeon and drew lose, but are ok with them winning and helping rpi stuff.

[JTKSU]

Here's a simple example.  How is it that a superstar like Dwight Howard shoots 60 percent from the free throw line?  Is it that his incredible athleticism precludes him from being able to constantly make those unguarded shots?  Or is it that he has little real basketball skill other than dunking on people?  The league is literally full of people that rely almost entirely on their athletic ability to play the game.  It's a bunch of God damn Lester Earl types.   

The NBA, as a league, shoots free throws better than the NCAA.   So how can you say the NBA doesn't focus on fundamentals enough?

Or, are you suggesting Dwight Howard would not have been a superstar in the NCAA because of his poor "fundamentals"? 

I'm suggesting that he focuses very little on free throws, thus his struggles.  Seems like a dude that solely plays basketball for a living would have enough time to shoot a few and, ya know, practice them.  Guess he's too busy practicing his dunks or something.    And considering how few kids from the NCAA ever make an NBA roster, I would hope that the NBA does every single thing better.  Would you be pleased with any of our players shooting 60%?  How many of those kids do you realistically see even making an NBA roster, let alone starting or one day being 4th in the MVP voting?

[JTKSU]

btw: i love seeing big 12 teams lose, but i know it will significantly hurt us for the ncaa's thingy.

very tough to watch big 12 teams during OOC because of these conflicting thingy's.

yep me too.

What about tomorrow if aTm plays Huggs?

BTW, for me, it makes it very enjoyable.  I thouroughly enjoy watching guys like turgeon and drew lose, but are ok with them winning and helping rpi stuff.

That's a no brainer.  If Huggs plays a Satan-coached team, I will root for the Devil's squad.  Hitler gets a HC spot and meets up with Huggs in the non-con, I'll be a Hitler supporter for the day.

[sys]

btw: i love seeing big 12 teams lose, but i know it will significantly hurt us for the ncaa's thingy.

very tough to watch big 12 teams during OOC because of these conflicting thingy's.

i'm with rmcat, it's a glass half full situ.  a win-win.  i usually pull for the conference, except for the teams i hate, but if they lose its good fun too.

:hoping for an a&m win and a baylor loss tonight:

[michigancat]

I'm suggesting that he focuses very little on free throws, thus his struggles.  Seems like a dude that solely plays basketball for a living would have enough time to shoot a few and, ya know, practice them.  Guess he's too busy practicing his dunks or something.  

So Dwight Howard shooting 75% instead of 60% from the line would make the NBA experience more enjoyable for you?  Really?  That's kind of weird, but OK.  And the fact that you think Dwight Howard is successful by doing nothing more than run to the block and dunk says a lot.

And considering how few kids from the NCAA ever make an NBA roster, I would hope that the NBA does every single thing better.  

But you said the NBA sucks because they don't focus on fundamentals enough (like college).  But they already do every single thing better.  

Would you be pleased with any of our players shooting 60%?  How many of those kids do you realistically see even making an NBA roster, let alone starting or one day being 4th in the MVP voting?

I'd be fine with all of our players shooting 60% if they continued to win.

[JTKSU]

I'm suggesting that he focuses very little on free throws, thus his struggles.  Seems like a dude that solely plays basketball for a living would have enough time to shoot a few and, ya know, practice them.  Guess he's too busy practicing his dunks or something.  

So Dwight Howard shooting 75% instead of 60% from the line would make the NBA experience more enjoyable for you?  Really?  That's kind of weird, but OK.  And the fact that you think Dwight Howard is successful by doing nothing more than run to the block and dunk says a lot.

And considering how few kids from the NCAA ever make an NBA roster, I would hope that the NBA does every single thing better.  

But you said the NBA sucks because they don't focus on fundamentals enough (like college).  But they already do every single thing better.  

Would you be pleased with any of our players shooting 60%?  How many of those kids do you realistically see even making an NBA roster, let alone starting or one day being 4th in the MVP voting?

I'd be fine with all of our players shooting 60% if they continued to win.

And the fact that you think Dwight Howard is successful by doing nothing more than run to the block and dunk says a lot.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4249626

But you said the NBA sucks because they don't focus on fundamentals enough (like college).  But they already do every single thing better.

There are currently 42 players in the NBA shooting 90% or better from the line.  There are 73 NCAA guys doing the same.  You can go 500 players deep (at least, the stats only go that far)  in D1 before you run into a player shooting worse than 70%.  You only have to go 226 players deep in the NBA before you see that.  These are 226 players who were all among the best in their respective conferences, if not all-Americans.  How is it that the cream of the college crop (and international crop for that matter, but the foreign born players tend to shoot free throws fairly well.) suddenly regresses in a simple skill set like that once they no longer have things like school and money concerns to worry about and interfere with their practice time?  Example, Kirk Hinrich shot 77% at uk, he is shooting 68% this year.  Seriously, go through that list, look at the NBA guys shooting in the 50s.  It's &@#%ing pathetic. 

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/stats/leaders/NCAAB/FTPCT/regularseason/yearly?&start_row=451

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/FreeTS.jsp?league=00&conf=OVERALL&qualified=N&position=0&splitType=9splitScope%3DGAME&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=All+Teams&pager.offset=200

I'd be fine with all of our players shooting 60% if they continued to win.

Our team has been winning, yet I've heard you complain about nearly every aspect of this team.  I'll be sure to remind you of this quote the second I see you complain about FT% the next time.

[ksu_FAN]

I'm in agreement with those that don't enjoy the association's brand of basketball, but I'd think you could pick something besides FT shooting as a major reason why.

[JTKSU]

I'm in agreement with those that don't enjoy the association's brand of basketball, but I'd think you could pick something besides FT shooting as a major reason why.

If you go back a few posts, you'd see that FTs was a completely arbitrary topic. 

Women's basketball sucks because the the girls aren't athletic enough, so they focus solely on "fundamentals."  NBA sucks for exactly opposite reasons. 

[michigancat]

And the fact that you think Dwight Howard is successful by doing nothing more than run to the block and dunk says a lot.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4249626

Does he need more skills?  Yes - in your article Howard admitted that himself.  That doesn't mean that Orlando's offense is as simple as "let Dwight Howard go one-on-one and dunk".  It's a perfect example of you having no idea what you're talking about.

But you said the NBA sucks because they don't focus on fundamentals enough (like college).  But they already do every single thing better.

There are currently 42 players in the NBA shooting 90% or better from the line.  There are 73 NCAA guys doing the same.  You can go 500 players deep (at least, the stats only go that far)  in D1 before you run into a player shooting worse than 70%.  You only have to go 226 players deep in the NBA before you see that.  These are 226 players who were all among the best in their respective conferences, if not all-Americans.  How is it that the cream of the college crop (and international crop for that matter, but the foreign born players tend to shoot free throws fairly well.) suddenly regresses in a simple skill set like that once they no longer have things like school and money concerns to worry about and interfere with their practice time?  Example, Kirk Hinrich shot 77% at uk, he is shooting 68% this year.  Seriously, go through that list, look at the NBA guys shooting in the 50s.  It's fracking pathetic. 

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/stats/leaders/NCAAB/FTPCT/regularseason/yearly?&start_row=451

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/FreeTS.jsp?league=00&conf=OVERALL&qualified=N&position=0&splitType=9splitScope%3DGAME&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=All+Teams&pager.offset=200

What?  The NBA shoots better than the NCAA.  Period.  Your ridiculous anecdote and horrible comprehension of the most basic statistics doesn't change that:

Since the mid-1960s, college men’s players have made about 69 percent of free throws, the unguarded 15-foot, 1-point shot awarded after a foul. In 1965, the rate was 69 percent. This season, as teams scramble for bids to the N.C.A.A. tournament, it was 68.8. It has dropped as low as 67.1 but never topped 70.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/04/sports/basketball/04freethrow.html?pagewanted=all

The NBA, meanwhile, has only been under 70% once:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/league_stats.html

I'd be fine with all of our players shooting 60% if they continued to win.

Our team has been winning, yet I've heard you complain about nearly every aspect of this team.  I'll be sure to remind you of this quote the second I see you complain about FT% the next time.

Just because I'm not a sunshine pumping tard like yourself doesn't mean I'm down on the team.  I've been far more positive when discussing the team this year more than most.

I'm in agreement with those that don't enjoy the association's brand of basketball, but I'd think you could pick something besides FT shooting as a major reason why.

I agree, and I prefer the college game, myself.  That doesn't mean I can't call out people who "hate" the NBA because they learned everything they know about basketball from watching Hoosiers a couple times.

[JTKSU]

I never said that the NBA FT% was lower than college's.  Your stats proved my original point exactly.  The overall NCAA % is only about 3 pts worse than the NBA's.  Think of all the terrible college players that contribute to that %.  Seems like there should be a much higher difference between the leagues. A little FYI, the NCAA players drafted this year had 74.47% average over their college careers.

[1albatross]

There are currently 42 players in the NBA shooting 90% or better from the line.  There are 73 NCAA guys doing the same.  You can go 500 players deep (at least, the stats only go that far)  in D1 before you run into a player shooting worse than 70%.  You only have to go 226 players deep in the NBA before you see that.  These are 226 players who were all among the best in their respective conferences, if not all-Americans.  How is it that the cream of the college crop (and international crop for that matter, but the foreign born players tend to shoot free throws fairly well.) suddenly regresses in a simple skill set like that once they no longer have things like school and money concerns to worry about and interfere with their practice time?  Example, Kirk Hinrich shot 77% at uk, he is shooting 68% this year.  Seriously, go through that list, look at the NBA guys shooting in the 50s.  It's fracking pathetic. 

This is an awful argument for you.  If you want to look at the number of kids playing ball in both the NBA and college.  D1 has 10 times the teams that the NBA has.  If you want to bring up %'s of players, then you might have some validity.


I don't think any of the NBA fans have claimed that the NBA is flawless.  There are obvious flaws in the game.  The fact isthough...it is an exciting game played by guys at a high level.  The college game ihas more passion and that makes it more fun, but pay attention to a full NBA game and try to tell me that the basketball isn't better,