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September 18, 2009, 09:41:34 PM
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5'11 175 pounder that no D1 coach outside of his granddad has heard of... :'byecruelworld:

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September 18, 2009, 10:17:39 PM
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Giving Tate Snyder a scholarship is a mistake no matter how you look at it. Even if he becomes the best player in K-State history, this is a bad move.

There are way too many needs on this team to be wasting scholarships on guys who would walk on. The quarterbacks and linebackers are terrible. The offensive line hasn't proven anything. A lot of of the defensive linemen who are on the two deep are seniors.

This is way too similar to Prince offering early scholarships to guys who couldn't play for their juco teams. It doesn't matter if Snyder thinks Tate is a good player. He's overpaying.

September 18, 2009, 10:21:36 PM
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Giving Tate Snyder a scholarship is a mistake no matter how you look at it. Even if he becomes the best player in K-State history, this is a bad move.

There are way too many needs on this team to be wasting scholarships on guys who would walk on. The quarterbacks and linebackers are terrible. The offensive line hasn't proven anything. A lot of of the defensive linemen who are on the two deep are seniors.

This is way too similar to Prince offering early scholarships to guys who couldn't play for their juco teams. It doesn't matter if Snyder thinks Tate is a good player. He's overpaying.

i.e.  Dumb move

September 18, 2009, 11:15:51 PM
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Giving Tate Snyder a scholarship is a mistake no matter how you look at it. Even if he becomes the best player in K-State history, this is a bad move.

There are way too many needs on this team to be wasting scholarships on guys who would walk on. The quarterbacks and linebackers are terrible. The offensive line hasn't proven anything. A lot of of the defensive linemen who are on the two deep are seniors.

This is way too similar to Prince offering early scholarships to guys who couldn't play for their juco teams. It doesn't matter if Snyder thinks Tate is a good player. He's overpaying.

Again, I have no idea why you think this is a bad move or that you can show something this kid is not capable of doing.  If you're only going to go by that "he doesn't look like a stud" it doesn't matter.  Josh Buhl was about this kids size when he started.   Yet, was that a wasted scholarship?   Again, all we're getting here is "We have other needs, he's too small, etc.." and none of that matters.   He gets a scholarship because he has technical ability well beyond what we have on the team now.  He knows how to play the position.  You beef him up, make him stronger, he'll be fine.   

The walk-on thing is like this.. he could be a walkon, I don't necessarily disagree, but why should have to earn it again if he's already capable of getting it?

Amazing some of the logic.  "His grandad makes a million he should pay for his tuition."  Heard that kind of logic used for many things in life.  In my view, it's his parents responsibility, not his grandfathers.   :banghead:

September 18, 2009, 11:21:40 PM
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Couldn't he basically get in for free or really cheap since his Dad works for the football program and his Grandpa is the head coach? :dunno:

September 18, 2009, 11:22:46 PM
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Couldn't he basically get in for free or really cheap since his Dad works for the football program and his Grandpa is the head coach? :dunno:

It's a dumb argument.

He shouldn't be treated differently because he's the coaches son.  You suppose that Cody Hawkins is a walkon?

September 18, 2009, 11:27:16 PM
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Couldn't he basically get in for free or really cheap since his Dad works for the football program and his Grandpa is the head coach? :dunno:

It's a dumb argument.

He shouldn't be treated differently because he's the coaches son.  You suppose that Cody Hawkins is a walkon?


Certainly not if he was being recruited by more than one school.  Since only the Washburn and Ft. Hays coaches were the only other ones sending him letters, yes he should be treated different. 

September 18, 2009, 11:28:09 PM
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Couldn't he basically get in for free or really cheap since his Dad works for the football program and his Grandpa is the head coach? :dunno:

It's a dumb argument.

He shouldn't be treated differently because he's the coaches son.  You suppose that Cody Hawkins is a walkon?


and you think Cody Hawkins really deserves the scholarship he's currently on?? i understand your logic but that's one of the worst examples you could ever use

September 18, 2009, 11:35:12 PM
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Couldn't he basically get in for free or really cheap since his Dad works for the football program and his Grandpa is the head coach? :dunno:

It's a dumb argument.

He shouldn't be treated differently because he's the coaches son.  You suppose that Cody Hawkins is a walkon?


and you think Cody Hawkins really deserves the scholarship he's currently on?? i understand your logic but that's one of the worst examples you could ever use

That's not the issue.  Lots of players on a team don't "deserve" a scholarship.  The coach makes those decisions.  He shouldn't change the rules simply because of a relative.   And again, why do you think he won't make a good player for K-State? 


September 18, 2009, 11:39:24 PM
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JFC at this point lets be happy to get 25 guys on scholarship to come to K-State, in case you haven't noticed we suck. hard.





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September 18, 2009, 11:41:29 PM
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Couldn't he basically get in for free or really cheap since his Dad works for the football program and his Grandpa is the head coach? :dunno:

It's a dumb argument.

He shouldn't be treated differently because he's the coaches son.  You suppose that Cody Hawkins is a walkon?


and you think Cody Hawkins really deserves the scholarship he's currently on?? i understand your logic but that's one of the worst examples you could ever use

That's not the issue.  Lots of players on a team don't "deserve" a scholarship.  The coach makes those decisions.  He shouldn't change the rules simply because of a relative.   And again, why do you think he won't make a good player for K-State? 


I have no idea if he's a good player now or will develop into. I know nothing about scouting, and haven't even seen him play so I won't pretend to come across as some pretentious jack ass know-nothing. I was simply pointing out that your argument was flawed. Pretty much the only thing that I can bring to the table at this juncture of the thread.

September 18, 2009, 11:50:50 PM
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Couldn't he basically get in for free or really cheap since his Dad works for the football program and his Grandpa is the head coach? :dunno:

It's a dumb argument.

He shouldn't be treated differently because he's the coaches son.  You suppose that Cody Hawkins is a walkon?


and you think Cody Hawkins really deserves the scholarship he's currently on?? i understand your logic but that's one of the worst examples you could ever use

That's not the issue.  Lots of players on a team don't "deserve" a scholarship.  The coach makes those decisions.  He shouldn't change the rules simply because of a relative.   And again, why do you think he won't make a good player for K-State? 


I have no idea if he's a good player now or will develop into. I know nothing about scouting, and haven't even seen him play so I won't pretend to come across as some pretentious jack ass know-nothing. I was simply pointing out that your argument was flawed. Pretty much the only thing that I can bring to the table at this juncture of the thread.

You didn't say my argument was flawed, you said I used a bad example.   It was actually a very good example.  Cody Hawkins isn't the reason Colorado is bad.  They have other issues.   Is it a good assumption that if Cody wasn't playing Colorado would be a better team?   


September 19, 2009, 12:02:22 AM
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Couldn't he basically get in for free or really cheap since his Dad works for the football program and his Grandpa is the head coach? :dunno:

It's a dumb argument.

He shouldn't be treated differently because he's the coaches son.  You suppose that Cody Hawkins is a walkon?


and you think Cody Hawkins really deserves the scholarship he's currently on?? i understand your logic but that's one of the worst examples you could ever use

That's not the issue.  Lots of players on a team don't "deserve" a scholarship.  The coach makes those decisions.  He shouldn't change the rules simply because of a relative.   And again, why do you think he won't make a good player for K-State? 


I have no idea if he's a good player now or will develop into. I know nothing about scouting, and haven't even seen him play so I won't pretend to come across as some pretentious jack ass know-nothing. I was simply pointing out that your argument was flawed. Pretty much the only thing that I can bring to the table at this juncture of the thread.

You didn't say my argument was flawed, you said I used a bad example.   It was actually a very good example.  Cody Hawkins isn't the reason Colorado is bad.  They have other issues.   Is it a good assumption that if Cody wasn't playing Colorado would be a better team?   



It's almost a guarantee that if Cody wasn't starting CU would be much improved. If you watched games last year in which Tyler Hansen played and compared the performance to those of little Hawkins: games were much more competitive and Hansen didn't panic in the pocket like Cody does and is much more accurate. Of course it hurts that Colorado's offensive line is much worse than most predicted, but why not start the player that gives you the best chance to win? I know they are planning on RS Hansen but I can almost guarantee they pull it to try and salvage Coach Hawk's job.

September 19, 2009, 12:04:36 AM
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Sorry I'm getting so off Tate's topic with these ramblings. I'm a few deep and hope my replies make as much sense as they do in the noodle.

September 19, 2009, 12:19:09 AM
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It's a dumb argument.

He shouldn't be treated differently because he's the coaches son.
 You suppose that Cody Hawkins is a walkon?

READ THIS ONE.



Here's the thing, though: He is being treated differently precisely BECAUSE he's family.  I'm not talking about the reason you THINK that I think that. I'm talking about something else that to my knowledge hasn't been brought up yet by anybody in these threads.  Ready?

Anyone who has followed Manhattan High football players closely during the entirety of Snyder's tenure in Manhattan knows that it's very, very, very, VERY rare for him to throw scholarships at Manhattan kids.  Like, pretty much nonexistent. There have been some amazing players who have come through Lew Lane/Butch Albright's ranks who definitely could've earned them from Snyder, but Snydz never offered them to kids from Manhattan because he always operated on the assumption that these kids have been born with K-State love from the beginning and there's a high likelihood they'll walk on.  Coach Lane knew of Snyder's philosophy on this all along, Coach Albright knew it*, and anybody who played with the A.D. Mayses or Mike Nashes and saw them offered walk-on positions knows it.  At the VERY most, he "encourages" them to walk on with hopes of maybe earning a scholarship by the time they're juniors or seniors -- just ask Jason Kazar.

So yes, Snyder suddenly breaking this policy of his to offer a scholarship to.......ta da......his own grandson smacks of nepotism.  Maybe the kid's good at football.  I don't know, I've never seen him play.  But I can guarantee there have been better players than Tate Snyder who went to Manhattan High and have shown interest in getting a scholarship to K-State and received less than what Tate's getting.  THAT'S why Tate Snyder shouldn't be getting a scholarship from Bill Snyder.  Because nobody else did.

MJ, I know you're ridiculously stubborn and will still be a vag and try to argue your way out of this, but unless you were raised in Manhattan watching MHS football every single week, year after year -- concurrently with Snyder's tenure, by the way -- you have no grounds for argument with the point I just made.  <----But I'm gonna guess you're still going to do that douchebag move you do a lot where you cross your arms, angrily sit there with your wiener between your legs, and pout.




*--In fact, Coach Albright saw it unjustly happening to his players for so many years in a row that he eventually stopped making an effort altogether to promote his players to Snyder because he knew they weren't getting scholarships.
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September 19, 2009, 12:21:39 AM
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September 19, 2009, 12:32:18 AM
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Again, I have no idea why you think this is a bad move or that you can show something this kid is not capable of doing.  If you're only going to go by that "he doesn't look like a stud" it doesn't matter.  Josh Buhl was about this kids size when he started.   Yet, was that a wasted scholarship?   Again, all we're getting here is "We have other needs, he's too small, etc.." and none of that matters.   He gets a scholarship because he has technical ability well beyond what we have on the team now.  He knows how to play the position.  You beef him up, make him stronger, he'll be fine.   

The walk-on thing is like this.. he could be a walkon, I don't necessarily disagree, but why should have to earn it again if he's already capable of getting it?

Amazing some of the logic.  "His grandad makes a million he should pay for his tuition."  Heard that kind of logic used for many things in life.  In my view, it's his parents responsibility, not his grandfathers.   :banghead:

I have not seen Tate play, but it doesn't matter. Why give up more than you have to?

Let's say you have two bars. The first bar is charging $5 for a beer. The second bar is giving beer away for free. Which bar would you choose? Because K-State is saying they'd rather pay $5 per beer.

September 19, 2009, 12:34:23 AM
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Stop egging on MJ.  Let's just see what he has to say about SkinnyBenny's recent revelation before we revisit any of the tired old garbage from this thread.


SB FTW, btw.
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September 19, 2009, 12:46:26 AM
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September 19, 2009, 12:49:27 AM
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Everybody, let's just chill with the responses, put on our glasses, 'op some 'opcorn, and watch MJ try to discredit the silver bullet of the years and years of Snydz schollie neglect of MHSIndhzz.

Just put on those glasses and wait.   8-)  8-)  8-)  :billypopcorn:


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September 19, 2009, 01:23:57 AM
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Couldn't he basically get in for free or really cheap since his Dad works for the football program and his Grandpa is the head coach? :dunno:

Nah.  The university only offers free tuition to faculty members and then it's limited to like 3 hours per semester.  Some of the private schools in the area give full rides to dependents, but not the regents schools.  The only reason I even know this is cause I googled it a couple days ago.

September 19, 2009, 07:30:47 AM
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He prolly got the scholly offer in a Hallmark card with his annual $100 birthday check.
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September 19, 2009, 08:28:43 AM
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Matt Butler and Greg Gaskins and got scholarships or greyshirts out of high school. But I think the true issue would be is that MHS has produced very few D1 athletes. Love my al-mater but they have not beaten people with D1 caliber talent but with overall team talent. I can only think of one MHS grad that has even played at a D1 school outside of K-State and that was a o-linemen that played/plays for ku. Tate Snyder and Derrick Campbell are the only D1 caliber athletes at MHS over the last few seasons and guess what Snyder's staff has scholarship offers waiting for them (Derek DOES have a offer from Snyder) Stop fantarding this Tate deserves the offer he was given so STFU


September 19, 2009, 08:41:11 AM
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Josh Buhl was about this kids size when he started.   Yet, was that a wasted scholarship?  



Tell me you just didn't compare the Tate Snyder situation to the Josh Buhl situation coming out of high school.

Because if you truly are you've basically crapped the pants of your entire "stars and recruiting services are worthless"  part of your argument as well.

Just in case we've forgotten, Josh Buhl was basically the most decorated high school linebacker Snyder ever recruited.  Dude was on ever Texas Top 50 list, the Defensive Player of the Year in 5A Texas, USA Today honorable mention All-USA, First team all-district and second team all-area as a junior, Superprep All-Southwest, Ranked as the No. 3 weakside linebacker in the Big 12 region, one of the top 10 weakside linebackers in the nation by the National Recruiting Advisor, and First team All-Big 12 Region pick by PrepStar.  

He was regarded by these supposed idiotic "recruiting services" as one of the best high school defensive players in the country and had multiple offers from top level Big XII programs.  So, to any rational person, it's no surprise that the prep acclaim then translated at the college level to him becoming a 1st Team All-American, First Team Big XII, Butkus Finalist, and one of the best linebackers to ever play for K-State.

But yeah, the Tate Snyder story coming out of high school part is basically the same except for the situations being nothing alike part.  

Wow.  A great title for this thread.


          
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September 19, 2009, 08:52:27 AM
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Matt Butler and Greg Gaskins and got scholarships or greyshirts out of high school. But I think the true issue would be is that MHS has produced very few D1 athletes. Love my al-mater but they have not beaten people with D1 caliber talent but with overall team talent. I can only think of one MHS grad that has even played at a D1 school outside of K-State and that was a o-linemen that played/plays for ku. Tate Snyder and Derrick Campbell are the only D1 caliber athletes at MHS over the last few seasons and guess what Snyder's staff has scholarship offers waiting for them (Derek DOES have a offer from Snyder) Stop fantarding this Tate deserves the offer he was given so STFU

True, I forgot about The Butt (good call), but The Gask (that doesn't roll off the tongue) didn't get what he deserved right off the bat.   You're either bonkers or a young lil' guy if you think there haven't been more athletes deserving of 'ships to come out of MHS in the last 20 years.  Give Albright a jingle and see what he thinks about Snyder's history with MHS athletes.  While you're at it, ask him if he still domesticates squirrels!  Inquiring minds want to know.  

But I guess I'll stop.......fantarding this? ???

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September 19, 2009, 08:55:08 AM
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Stop fantarding this Tate deserves the offer he was given so STFU

What do you base this on?  :dunno:
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September 19, 2009, 09:00:14 AM
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Problem with Albright is of course he is going to say that he had a team full of D1ers but reality you can't name one kid that has played on a D1 roster other than K-State that has graduated from MHS. It is not a D1 pipeline, period. This years team with Tate and Derek is going to be very special and should go far. Part of the reason Butch was so pissed he "retired" because this was going to be a title run team


September 19, 2009, 09:09:49 AM
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I always thought stormnut was an extremely well played powertard sock over here?

I'm starting to think he's the genuine article.






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September 19, 2009, 09:12:30 AM
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I am not that creative. I am what I am. Bring a little powertardness to balance out the Fantardness.


September 19, 2009, 09:14:23 AM
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Yep.

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