So Keitzman said yesterday that Timid Timmy Weiser . . .

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

Gee Kougs . . . Timid Timmy "borrows" $500K from K-State Athletics (when he was always whining about how there was never enough money) in a highly inappropriate, extremely unethical little "good old boy" loan deal . . . responsible in part for hiring Ron Prince, and yet you still support the guy.   Love ya Kougs.

The university made $25,000 in interest from Weiser's loan when he repaid it before he left.  In contrast, the university lost multi-millions of dollars to Prince because of the stupidity of Wefald and Krause.  Weiser was against giving Prince the big buyout and extension.  And I think we can safely assume Weiser would have been smart enough to not give Prince an additional $3.2 million in secret deferred compensation on top of that.

I'm not saying the loan was a good idea because universities should not be in the business of loaning money, but that is no comparison at all to what Wefald and Krause are responsible for. 

I think you hate Weiser for other reasons and are trumping this charge up into something it's not.  Why say "borrows" in quotes for instance?  Are you implying it was not repaid or something?

+1

At least Weiser didn't trash the place.  He left us on sound fiscal ground -- which Krause undid in less than a year.  And with concrete plans for expansion in place -- which Krause and the economy undid in less than a year.

Weiser was vehemently against extending the contracts for Prince and Wooldridge.  He hired Huggins, Frank, Brad Hill and Suzie Fritz (all of whom seem to be working out).  He kept Cliff Rovelto and Deb happy (our major sources of conference championships).  Weiser's biggest fiasco was being associated with hiring Prince, and the word on the street (I have no sources) is that he wasn't even too involved in that.

Your hatred for Weiser is a little weird given all the other options, like Krause, Prince, Wefald.

[BMWJhawk]

'Pad's hate for Weiser is personal.  According to message board folklore, 'Pad was disassociated by Weiser after a series of e-mails and complaints regarding K-State athletics.  The infamous "hot dog incident" was supposedly what broke the camel's back. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Weiser's situation is NOT entirely related to all the issues created by Krause, Wefald and Prince.  

Plus, I've always said he did many good things . . . but failed completely to take advantage of the significant momentum that K-State athletics had in 2003.  

Plus, why would anyone give him credit for hiring Frank . . . he really didn't have any other choice.   Many things depended on Beasley and Walker making it to Manhattan, KS, and Frank and Hill were the ONLY way that was going to happen.  

He hired Huggins only because Eddie Fogler convinced him to do it.

Sure he had a "plan" for for facilities improvements, and I know enough about it to say that Timmy fiddle farted around on it for several years.  

Ben . . . shouldn't you be working on trying to find a job??

Deb Patterson . . . who besides K-State would hire Deb??  Bob Jones University??  Liberty University??  They would likely frown on Deb's living arrangements.


 

[kougar24]

Deb Patterson . . .

Who?

[yoga-lika_abana]

Kindof like Tim 

[Brewcrew]

How cute..a bitch fight.

[sonofdaxjones]

Just thought I'd let all the Weiser Lovers know that in FY 2007, Kansas State University Athletics Inc.  (Formerly Intercollegiate Athletic Council of Kansas State University Inc.) paid Timid Timmy Weiser and his little LLC The Weiser Way Inc . . . $795,000 in total compensation.  

That's more than Kansas State University Athletics Inc. paid its football coach, and its basketball coach that year.  (Whose sports generated nearly $29 million dollars in revenue that year)

Now, who wants to get up in front of the class, and try to explain how Timid Timmy Weiser was worth $795,000 dollars in FY 2007.  

[kougar24]

Just thought I'd let all the Weiser Lovers know that in FY 2007, Kansas State University Athletics Inc.  (Formerly Intercollegiate Athletic Council of Kansas State University Inc.) paid Timid Timmy Weiser and his little LLC The Weiser Way Inc . . . $795,000 in total compensation.  

That's more than Kansas State University Athletics Inc. paid its football coach, and its basketball coach that year.

Ah, it's good to know the K-State admin wasn't totally incompetent. They got that bit right.

 

[chum1]

So, does anyone believe the claim made in the original post or is it merely going to become another standard lead in for Weiser rants?  Or both?

[Rick Daris]

So, does anyone believe the claim made in the original post or is it merely going to become another standard lead in for Weiser rants?  Or both?

i can't believe it because of the stupidness of not hiring someone because of something so insignificant in the grand scheme of things. just can't believe that would actually be "the" reason.

however, i could understand if they chose not to hire him cause he named his son cody. what a retard name. has anyone ever met a cody that wasn't a complete screwup? no. no one in the history of the world has. you know why? because none exist. every cody or codey or dakota is a complete screw up of a human being.

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

Now, who wants to get up in front of the class, and try to explain how Timid Timmy Weiser was worth $795,000 dollars in FY 2007. 

Was totally worth that much simply to have someone in the Athletic Department clear-headed enough to argue that Ron Freakin' Prince did not deserve a multi-million dollar extension.

[sonofdaxjones]

Just thought I'd let all the Weiser Lovers know that in FY 2007, Kansas State University Athletics Inc.  (Formerly Intercollegiate Athletic Council of Kansas State University Inc.) paid Timid Timmy Weiser and his little LLC The Weiser Way Inc . . . $795,000 in total compensation.  

That's more than Kansas State University Athletics Inc. paid its football coach, and its basketball coach that year.

Ah, it's good to know the K-State admin wasn't totally incompetent. They got that bit right.

 

Typical Kougs . . . one guy was Frank Martin, boy he sure hasn't panned out . . . Kougs $795K a year is Lew Perkins money, so, who did a better job . . . Lew Perkins, or Tim "hey can I borrow $500K" Weiser??   

Plus, tell me what other BCS conference school paid their AD more than their football coach and men's basketball coach??  I'll help . . . there wasn't any.

[sonofdaxjones]

Now, who wants to get up in front of the class, and try to explain how Timid Timmy Weiser was worth $795,000 dollars in FY 2007. 

Was totally worth that much simply to have someone in the Athletic Department clear-headed enough to argue that Ron Freakin' Prince did not deserve a multi-million dollar extension.

Ah, Ron Prince, at least publically did not get a "million dollar extension" . . . he got about a $350k pay raise, with a publically disclosed descending buyout.   Why was it out of the realm of possibility that a football coach who had the best 2 year record in K-State history to be brought up to the equal pay of the next lowest paid Coach in the Big 12??    Nope . . . Timid Timmy loved the fact that he was paid more than anybody else in the athletic department and that he was getting by on the cheap with his head football and basketball coach.   Giving Prince a pay raise and a publically disclosed $1 million dollar buyout (that decreased over time) was just part of acting like a legitimate BCS conference school.   Where it obviously went into the realm of pure lunacy was the secret deal. 

Plus I completely agree, not considering a guy with a nice track record because YOU THINK he might favor his kid at QB, and then opting in for . . . RON PRINCE, makes no sense.   Thanks Weefer, Krause and Timid Timmy.

[sonofdaxjones]

LOL . . . 2006 Total Compensation (including deferred income) for Tim Wesier and The Weiser Way LLC . . . $811,206.00

Total Compensation, Defferred Income and Payments to Tim Weiser and The Weiser Way LLC Calendar Years 2005-2007 . . . $2.581 Million Dollars.  

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

Plus I completely agree, not considering a guy with a nice track record because YOU THINK he might favor his kid at QB, and then opting in for . . . RON PRINCE, makes no sense.   Thanks Weefer, Krause and Timid Timmy.

You and I are on the same page when saying it made no sense to hire Ron Prince.  That was a complete clusterf*ck of a "job search."  (Maybe as bad as the last one.)

I do not agree it made sense to give Prince an extension (or with your math minimizing the cost of his extension).  If someone was still on Prince's bandwagon after two years, you had to be almost willfully blind to the rot within the program.

[sonofdaxjones]

Plus I completely agree, not considering a guy with a nice track record because YOU THINK he might favor his kid at QB, and then opting in for . . . RON PRINCE, makes no sense.   Thanks Weefer, Krause and Timid Timmy.

You and I are on the same page when saying it made no sense to hire Ron Prince.  That was a complete clusterf*ck of a "job search."  (Maybe as bad as the last one.)

I do not agree it made sense to give Prince an extension (or with your math minimizing the cost of his extension).  If someone was still on Prince's bandwagon after two years, you had to be almost willfully blind to the rot within the program.

No, it's not blindness . . . it's portraying an image that you at least want to appear like you actually care about being a D1 BCS conference school.  

Had it not been for all the idiotic secret stuff . . . nobody would have thought much of it, or at least not people who actually understand the business of major conference collegiate athletics.  

Hey I wonder how Currie is going to feel when he has to write the consultants fee check to the Weiser Way LLC, and also find Timmy 4 Prime Seat Locations at the Final Four this year (and do so for the next 8 or 9 years).   Damn . . . outside of Prince, nobody took K-State for a bigger ride than Weiser.

[kougar24]

Just thought I'd let all the Weiser Lovers know that in FY 2007, Kansas State University Athletics Inc.  (Formerly Intercollegiate Athletic Council of Kansas State University Inc.) paid Timid Timmy Weiser and his little LLC The Weiser Way Inc . . . $795,000 in total compensation.  

That's more than Kansas State University Athletics Inc. paid its football coach, and its basketball coach that year.

Ah, it's good to know the K-State admin wasn't totally incompetent. They got that bit right.

 

Typical Kougs . . . one guy was Frank Martin, boy he sure hasn't panned out . . . Kougs $795K a year is Lew Perkins money, so, who did a better job . . . Lew Perkins, or Tim "hey can I borrow $500K" Weiser??   

Plus, tell me what other BCS conference school paid their AD more than their football coach and men's basketball coach??  I'll help . . . there wasn't any.

That's what Martin should have been paid his first year. He hadn't earned jack chit yet. Keep up.

[The Kaiser]

people actually believe an effing word uttered by Kevin Kietzman?  What is next, believing Fitz?

People actually think Tim Weiser was a good AD? He was good, at being mediocre and a sock for his former boss...

People actually believe for ONE EFFING SECOND that Dan Hawkins was even considered as coach at KSU?  That one blows my mind...right up there with the people who think Mark Few is going to come to KSU every time the job opens up...laughable.

[sonofdaxjones]

Just thought I'd let all the Weiser Lovers know that in FY 2007, Kansas State University Athletics Inc.  (Formerly Intercollegiate Athletic Council of Kansas State University Inc.) paid Timid Timmy Weiser and his little LLC The Weiser Way Inc . . . $795,000 in total compensation.  

That's more than Kansas State University Athletics Inc. paid its football coach, and its basketball coach that year.

Ah, it's good to know the K-State admin wasn't totally incompetent. They got that bit right.

 

Typical Kougs . . . one guy was Frank Martin, boy he sure hasn't panned out . . . Kougs $795K a year is Lew Perkins money, so, who did a better job . . . Lew Perkins, or Tim "hey can I borrow $500K" Weiser??    

Plus, tell me what other BCS conference school paid their AD more than their football coach and men's basketball coach??  I'll help . . . there wasn't any.

That's what Martin should have been paid his first year. He hadn't earned jack chit yet. Keep up.

Kougs . . . going down with a whimper and can't admit that Weiser took us for almost as big a ride as Prince did . . . nearly $2.6 million dollars in compensation for Timid Timmy in 3 years (a $1.9 million dollar buyout, guaranteed compensation as a worthless consultant, and guaranteed high dollar tickets to major sporting events), and all he did was ensure he was the highest paid administrative employee at K-State, and make sure we had a "rainy day" fund . . . meanwhile doing nothing in light of 3 conference titles, and having the audacity to ask for a 500K loan.

Kougs best argument . . . at least he wasn't Krause.

Pathetic and sad Kougs.

[kougar24]

Just thought I'd let all the Weiser Lovers know that in FY 2007, Kansas State University Athletics Inc.  (Formerly Intercollegiate Athletic Council of Kansas State University Inc.) paid Timid Timmy Weiser and his little LLC The Weiser Way Inc . . . $795,000 in total compensation.  

That's more than Kansas State University Athletics Inc. paid its football coach, and its basketball coach that year.

Ah, it's good to know the K-State admin wasn't totally incompetent. They got that bit right.

 

Typical Kougs . . . one guy was Frank Martin, boy he sure hasn't panned out . . . Kougs $795K a year is Lew Perkins money, so, who did a better job . . . Lew Perkins, or Tim "hey can I borrow $500K" Weiser??    

Plus, tell me what other BCS conference school paid their AD more than their football coach and men's basketball coach??  I'll help . . . there wasn't any.

That's what Martin should have been paid his first year. He hadn't earned jack chit yet. Keep up.

Kougs . . . going down with a whimper and can't admit that Weiser took us for almost as big a ride as Prince did . . . nearly $2.6 million dollars in compensation for Timid Timmy in 3 years (a $1.9 million dollar buyout, guaranteed compensation as a worthless consultant, and guaranteed high dollar tickets to major sporting events), and all he did was ensure he was the highest paid administrative employee at K-State, and make sure we had a "rainy day" fund . . . meanwhile doing nothing in light of 3 conference titles, and having the audacity to ask for a 500K loan.

Kougs best argument . . . at least he wasn't Krause.

Pathetic and sad Kougs.

What you don't get is that he was worth every freaking penny for reviving our basketball program and opposing Prince at every turn.

[sonofdaxjones]

What you don't get is that was his job . . . to revive the basketball program, and he oversaw the downfall of the football program . . . and schools don't pay their Athletic Directors over $1 million dollars in fees so the Athletic Director can "consult" his own got damn athletic department.  

If Currie can pull off what he's working on in the next few weeks, he will have personally raised more private money in 5-7 months, than Timid Timmy did in 5 years, and he's not going to get paid over $1 Million dollars in "consulting fees" on top of his regular salary to do it.

[Belvis Noland]

What you don't get is that he was worth every freaking penny for reviving our basketball program and opposing Prince at every turn.

Careful. 

Weiser was named AD in 2001.  Wooly's first season was 2000-2001.  Tim happily signed this clown-dick's paychecks for six - SIX - seasons.  Tim personally oversaw a 32-64 conference record over that period of time. 

Huggins and Martin saved a program that Tim single handedly allowed to rot and decay. 

With respect to Football, I don't consider "opposing Prince" an accolade.  That's like patting somebody on the back for turning down a blow job from a toothless prostitute. 

Much like Martin and Huggins, Snyder won games in spite of Weiser.  Despite not having a single facilites upgrade in Tim's tenure, Snyder diid pretty well with what he had.  Unfortunately, from an administrative standpoint, the fan support and advertising didn't match our level of success.  Making the decision to charge $63 for non-conference games, The Cats played half of their home games in front of 42-45K stadiums.  I could continue, but I think my point is self evident at this point. 

 

[michigancat]

pretty sure tw wanted to fire wooly a year sooner (at least)

[sonofdaxjones]

Belvis . . . in defense of Timmy, it was under his watch that Vanier was totally renovated, and I also know he wanted to do more, but Snyder didn't want it . . . but that's where an AD/CEO (getting paid nearly $1 million dollars a year) puts his foot down and plays the role of AD, and well, we all know that Timid Timmy set himself up to be the martyr and thus was paid handsomely to do so.   They ended up adding several million dollars in "odds and ends" over what Snyder wanted to Vanier once Prince was hired.  

Where Weiser should get hammered is not doing anything to add more suites and club seating when there was a waiting list for those things (there's still a waiting list for those things) he also drug his feet badly on the basketball practice facility.   The guy actually seriously entertained outdoor loge boxes for BSFS . . . yes, outdoor loge boxes in a freaking football stadium . . . WHY??  Because he knew he could do it on the cheap, that's why (gotta have money left in the bank for those $500K loans, and the $200-$450K annual payments to his own LLC).

[kcchiefdav]

JFC Dax, we get it, you don't like him. Who gives a crap if he was any good at his job. He's gone! He wasn't a great AD, but he was at least passable. Sure, he stuck his hand in the University Coffers, but apparently thats how Wefald bought people's loyalties. No Dax, you either need to go find FADTW and punch him in the face or just get over it.

[sonofdaxjones]

JFC Dax, we get it, you don't like him. Who gives a crap if he was any good at his job. He's gone! He wasn't a great AD, but he was at least passable. Sure, he stuck his hand in the University Coffers, but apparently thats how Wefald bought people's loyalties. No Dax, you either need to go find FADTW and punch him in the face or just get over it.

That wasn't nice.   

[kougar24]

Belvis . . . in defense of Timmy, it was under his watch that Vanier was totally renovated, and I also know he wanted to do more, but Snyder didn't want it . . . but that's where an AD/CEO (getting paid nearly $1 million dollars a year) puts his foot down and plays the role of AD, and well, we all know that Timid Timmy set himself up to be the martyr and thus was paid handsomely to do so.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume Wefald intervened on Bill's behalf on that one. Crushed that fracker like a dove.

[sonofdaxjones]

Belvis . . . in defense of Timmy, it was under his watch that Vanier was totally renovated, and I also know he wanted to do more, but Snyder didn't want it . . . but that's where an AD/CEO (getting paid nearly $1 million dollars a year) puts his foot down and plays the role of AD, and well, we all know that Timid Timmy set himself up to be the martyr and thus was paid handsomely to do so.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume Wefald intervened on Bill's behalf on that one. Crushed that fracker like a dove.

Yeah . . . you've found your martyr in Timmy Weiser Kougs, so you need to run with it, you should ask him for a loan.

[kougar24]

Belvis . . . in defense of Timmy, it was under his watch that Vanier was totally renovated, and I also know he wanted to do more, but Snyder didn't want it . . . but that's where an AD/CEO (getting paid nearly $1 million dollars a year) puts his foot down and plays the role of AD, and well, we all know that Timid Timmy set himself up to be the martyr and thus was paid handsomely to do so.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume Wefald intervened on Bill's behalf on that one. Crushed that fracker like a dove.

Yeah . . . you've found your martyr in Timmy Weiser Kougs, so you need to run with it, you should ask him for a loan.

He would give me one too, awesome dude!