So Keitzman said yesterday that Timid Timmy Weiser . . .

[sonofdaxjones]

told him the reason they didn't pursue Dan Hawkins to replace Snyder was because Timid Timmy knew that Hawkins would play his kid at QB.   

Okay that's fine . . . but let me get this straight.   You didn't pursue the sitting head coach at an up and coming program because you thought he'd lock his kid into playing QB . . . so instead you hired the quasi Offensive Coordinator from a somewhat floundering ACC football program??

[WillieWannabe]

this issue is dead to me...

[The1BigWillie]

told him the reason they didn't pursue Dan Hawkins to replace Snyder was because Timid Timmy knew that Hawkins would play his kid at QB.   

Okay that's fine . . . but let me get this straight.   You didn't pursue the sitting head coach at an up and coming program because you thought he'd lock his kid into playing QB . . . so instead you hired the quasi Offensive Coordinator from a somewhat floundering ACC football program??

Prince > Hawkins 

[EllToPay]

told him the reason they didn't pursue Dan Hawkins to replace Snyder was because Timid Timmy knew that Hawkins would play his kid at QB.   

Okay that's fine . . . but let me get this straight.   You didn't pursue the sitting head coach at an up and coming program because you thought he'd lock his kid into playing QB . . . so instead you hired the quasi Offensive Coordinator from a somewhat floundering ACC football program??

real dumb post.

either would have been a disaster. so what's your point?

[WillieWannabe]

told him the reason they didn't pursue Dan Hawkins to replace Snyder was because Timid Timmy knew that Hawkins would play his kid at QB.   

Okay that's fine . . . but let me get this straight.   You didn't pursue the sitting head coach at an up and coming program because you thought he'd lock his kid into playing QB . . . so instead you hired the quasi Offensive Coordinator from a somewhat floundering ACC football program??

Prince > Hawkins 

What's sad is The Hawk is bringing in some good recruits, must just suck at coaching 

[kougar24]

Weiser-bash FAIL.

[sonofdaxjones]

LOL . . . you guys have some serious reading comprehension problems.   No where did I say, "gosh, sure wish we'd have hired Hawkins."   It's just the logic . . . Okay, Leavitt turned us down, Hawkins will play his kid . . . hey what about this Ron Prince guy??  What kind of thinking is that??


Gee Kougs . . . Timid Timmy "borrows" $500K from K-State Athletics (when he was always whining about how there was never enough money) in a highly inappropriate, extremely unethical little "good old boy" loan deal . . . responsible in part for hiring Ron Prince, and yet you still support the guy.   Love ya Kougs.

[wiley03]

can't believe there was no mention of brian kelly in the whole process....geez

[Pete]

LOL . . . you guys have some serious reading comprehension problems.   No where did I say, "gosh, sure wish we'd have hired Hawkins."   It's just the logic . . . Okay, Leavitt turned us down, Hawkins will play his kid . . . hey what about this Ron Prince guy??  What kind of thinking is that??


Gee Kougs . . . Timid Timmy "borrows" $500K from K-State Athletics (when he was always whining about how there was never enough money) in a highly inappropriate, extremely unethical little "good old boy" loan deal . . . responsible in part for hiring Ron Prince, and yet you still support the guy.   Love ya Kougs.

I am with you Dax.

[WillieWannabe]

told him the reason they didn't pursue Dan Hawkins to replace Snyder was because Timid Timmy knew that Hawkins would play his kid at QB.   

Okay that's fine . . . but let me get this straight.   You didn't pursue the sitting head coach at an up and coming program because you thought he'd lock his kid into playing QB . . . so instead you hired the quasi Offensive Coordinator from a somewhat floundering ACC football program??

That part threw me off.

[EllToPay]

LOL . . . you guys have some serious reading comprehension problems.   No where did I say, "gosh, sure wish we'd have hired Hawkins."   It's just the logic . . . Okay, Leavitt turned us down, Hawkins will play his kid . . . hey what about this Ron Prince guy??  What kind of thinking is that??


Gee Kougs . . . Timid Timmy "borrows" $500K from K-State Athletics (when he was always whining about how there was never enough money) in a highly inappropriate, extremely unethical little "good old boy" loan deal . . . responsible in part for hiring Ron Prince, and yet you still support the guy.   Love ya Kougs.

there are countless, countless other topics that you can choose to bash on, yet you continually choose to use tim weiser as the whipping boy.

don't get it, personally. jon wefald is 10x more responsible for the current problems at kstate. throw some jabs his way sometime, ya know?

either way, your   still shows.

[kougar24]

LOL . . . you guys have some serious reading comprehension problems.   No where did I say, "gosh, sure wish we'd have hired Hawkins."   It's just the logic . . . Okay, Leavitt turned us down, Hawkins will play his kid . . . hey what about this Ron Prince guy??  What kind of thinking is that??


Gee Kougs . . . Timid Timmy "borrows" $500K from K-State Athletics (when he was always whining about how there was never enough money) in a highly inappropriate, extremely unethical little "good old boy" loan deal . . . responsible in part for hiring Ron Prince, and yet you still support the guy.   Love ya Kougs.

Still easily the best AD we've ever had, dude. It's not that that wasn't a BS move by Weiser; it's that there are so many better targets for you to choose from, Tim shouldn't even be on your hate-radar.

Also, it's still a fact that Wefald was behind the Prince hiring engine and Tim was against it, FWIW. Not my opinion. Known.

[michigancat]

weird thread.  but kind of interesting.

I would have guessed that Hawkins wouldn't "fit" with "unique" "k-staters".

[catzacker]

I think all it shows is that Tim wasn't very good at making decisions.  He was pretty good at not making decisions and not spending money.  His thought processes were incredibly terrible.  I give him about zero credit for hiring Huggs, that falls soley on Eddie Fogler.  He was the "best" AD we had because (a) Urich was a complete and utter failure with what could/should have been a time of prosperity and expansion (in all sports) and (b) Krause was a f'ing idiot.  So, like, even a special olympian swimmer would look like Michael Phelps compared to those two a-holes. 

[EllToPay]

I think all it shows is that Tim wasn't very good at making decisions.  He was pretty good at not making decisions and not spending money.  His thought processes were incredibly terrible.  I give him about zero credit for hiring Huggs, that falls soley on Eddie Fogler.  He was the "best" AD we had because (a) Urich was a complete and utter failure with what could/should have been a time of prosperity and expansion (in all sports) and (b) Krause was a f'ing idiot.  So, like, even a special olympian swimmer would look like Michael Phelps compared to those two a-holes. 

 

dude...

[catzacker]

I think all it shows is that Tim wasn't very good at making decisions.  He was pretty good at not making decisions and not spending money.  His thought processes were incredibly terrible.  I give him about zero credit for hiring Huggs, that falls soley on Eddie Fogler.  He was the "best" AD we had because (a) Urich was a complete and utter failure with what could/should have been a time of prosperity and expansion (in all sports) and (b) Krause was a f'ing idiot.  So, like, even a special olympian swimmer would look like Michael Phelps compared to those two a-holes. 

 

dude...

 

[Legore]

I'm kind of on the fence on this.  I don't think Tim was a good AD.  Never got much done at KSU and the audit pretty well showed that things were screwed up in the AD on his watch and then just got worse after.  All that said Krause and Wefald were much bigger problems then Tim ever was.  

Perhaps his biggest failing is he was kind of a weak hand and let those other two have too much influence over the AD.  He should have held his ground and drew a line in the sand much sooner then he did.  When he finally did do something about it he set up a big contract/buyout that protected him but did nothing to protect the department and nothing to stop Krause and Wefald from their BS.  

[~WabashRoll~]

I think all it shows is that Tim wasn't very good at making decisions.  He was pretty good at not making decisions and not spending money.  His thought processes were incredibly terrible.  I give him about zero credit for hiring Huggs, that falls soley on Eddie Fogler.  He was the "best" AD we had because (a) Urich was a complete and utter failure with what could/should have been a time of prosperity and expansion (in all sports) and (b) Krause was a f'ing idiot.  So, like, even a special olympian swimmer would look like Michael Phelps compared to those two a-holes. 

 

dude...

Why is that funny?

[EllToPay]

I think all it shows is that Tim wasn't very good at making decisions.  He was pretty good at not making decisions and not spending money.  His thought processes were incredibly terrible.  I give him about zero credit for hiring Huggs, that falls soley on Eddie Fogler.  He was the "best" AD we had because (a) Urich was a complete and utter failure with what could/should have been a time of prosperity and expansion (in all sports) and (b) Krause was a f'ing idiot.  So, like, even a special olympian swimmer would look like Michael Phelps compared to those two a-holes. 

 

dude...

 

you seriously give him no credit at all for hiring huggins? we know fogler was an adviser and recommended him, but it was still up to weiser to make the call.

[catzacker]

I think all it shows is that Tim wasn't very good at making decisions.  He was pretty good at not making decisions and not spending money.  His thought processes were incredibly terrible.  I give him about zero credit for hiring Huggs, that falls soley on Eddie Fogler.  He was the "best" AD we had because (a) Urich was a complete and utter failure with what could/should have been a time of prosperity and expansion (in all sports) and (b) Krause was a f'ing idiot.  So, like, even a special olympian swimmer would look like Michael Phelps compared to those two a-holes. 

 

dude...

 

you seriously give him no credit at all for hiring huggins? we know fogler was an adviser and recommended him, but it was still up to weiser to make the call.

maybe zero credit is a bit harsh, but even Tim said that Huggins wasn't even on his radar when he first began to look...I mean, WTF?  How is he not the first guy on your radar, and the fact that it took Eddie freaking Fogler to convince him that Huggins was the right "fit" goes to show how terrible he is when it comes to making decisions.  We would have ended up with Greg fracking McDermott had Huggins not been available.  Also, he basically had no choice but to hire Frank (thankfully that has worked out). So I retract my zero credit stance and I give Tim 10% credit.

[kst8cat]

Gee Kougs . . . Timid Timmy "borrows" $500K from K-State Athletics (when he was always whining about how there was never enough money) in a highly inappropriate, extremely unethical little "good old boy" loan deal . . . responsible in part for hiring Ron Prince, and yet you still support the guy.   Love ya Kougs.

The university made $25,000 in interest from Weiser's loan when he repaid it before he left.  In contrast, the university lost multi-millions of dollars to Prince because of the stupidity of Wefald and Krause.  Weiser was against giving Prince the big buyout and extension.  And I think we can safely assume Weiser would have been smart enough to not give Prince an additional $3.2 million in secret deferred compensation on top of that.

I'm not saying the loan was a good idea because universities should not be in the business of loaning money, but that is no comparison at all to what Wefald and Krause are responsible for.  

I think you hate Weiser for other reasons and are trumping this charge up into something it's not.  Why say "borrows" in quotes for instance?  Are you implying it was not repaid or something?

[Rick Daris]

if weiser didn't hire hawkins because he thought he'd make his son the quarterback then that has to be the dumbest reason in the history of college athletics for not hiring someone.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Gee Kougs . . . Timid Timmy "borrows" $500K from K-State Athletics (when he was always whining about how there was never enough money) in a highly inappropriate, extremely unethical little "good old boy" loan deal . . . responsible in part for hiring Ron Prince, and yet you still support the guy.   Love ya Kougs.

I think you hate Weiser for other reasons

It was probably that whole 'being exiled from kstate for being psycho' thing.

Weiser was the messenger.

Just a guess tho.

Out.

[~WabashRoll~]

I hate Tim Weiser for a lot of reasons, primarily because he was a small minded idiot that thought he could run a BCS conference school in the Big XII like Fort Hays State.  And this among a hundred other things is a prime example of his incompetence in that regard.

We ended up with Huggins for two reasons:  

1)  Eddie Fogler convinced Timid Tim he needed to make the hire.  This wouldn't have happened on his own volition.  

2)  The ‘effed political situation at MU post Quin that at the time prevented Alden and their hiring committee from considering Huggins, even though he was pushing hard for the job behind the scenes and against vocal lobbying, begging and pleading by Jon Sunvolt for them to interview Huggins.

[WillieWannabe]

if weiser didn't hire hawkins because he thought he'd make his son the quarterback then that has to be the dumbest reason in the history of college athletics for not hiring someone.

I agree.

I think all it shows is that Tim wasn't very good at making decisions.  He was pretty good at not making decisions and not spending money.  His thought processes were incredibly terrible.  I give him about zero credit for hiring Huggs, that falls soley on Eddie Fogler.  He was the "best" AD we had because (a) Urich was a complete and utter failure with what could/should have been a time of prosperity and expansion (in all sports) and (b) Krause was a f'ing idiot.  So, like, even a special olympian swimmer would look like Michael Phelps compared to those two a-holes.  

 

dude...

 

you seriously give him no credit at all for hiring huggins? we know fogler was an adviser and recommended him, but it was still up to weiser to make the call.

maybe zero credit is a bit harsh, but even Tim said that Huggins wasn't even on his radar when he first began to look...I mean, WTF?  How is he not the first guy on your radar, and the fact that it took Eddie freaking Fogler to convince him that Huggins was the right "fit" goes to show how terrible he is when it comes to making decisions.  We would have ended up with Greg fracking McDermott had Huggins not been available.  Also, he basically had no choice but to hire Frank (thankfully that has worked out). So I retract my zero credit stance and I give Tim 10% credit.

I can see with his past issues not being the 1st on his radar. But he def. should have been somewhere on the radar. Plus him bolting after one year kinda brought the Huggins hire full circle. Luckily, like you said, Frank has worked out so far.

[sonofdaxjones]

LOL . . . you guys have some serious reading comprehension problems.   No where did I say, "gosh, sure wish we'd have hired Hawkins."   It's just the logic . . . Okay, Leavitt turned us down, Hawkins will play his kid . . . hey what about this Ron Prince guy??  What kind of thinking is that??


Gee Kougs . . . Timid Timmy "borrows" $500K from K-State Athletics (when he was always whining about how there was never enough money) in a highly inappropriate, extremely unethical little "good old boy" loan deal . . . responsible in part for hiring Ron Prince, and yet you still support the guy.   Love ya Kougs.

Still easily the best AD we've ever had, dude. It's not that that wasn't a BS move by Weiser; it's that there are so many better targets for you to choose from, Tim shouldn't even be on your hate-radar.

Also, it's still a fact that Wefald was behind the Prince hiring engine and Tim was against it, FWIW. Not my opinion. Known.

He totally and absolutely FAILED to capitalize on the "pinnacle" of KSU football success, was afraid of the KC market, barely lifted a finger to excite and grow the fanbase.   He did some good things, and certainly he was better than Krause was . . . but picking the "Best" AD at K-State is kind of like having to choose between a Chevy Vega and a Pontiac Aztec.    

Come in Tim . . . there's no crying in major college athletics.  Oh yeah, his foot dragging on the basketball practice facility, and "kiss the ring" attitude was all the material Huggins needed to leave K-State after one year.

Hey Goldie . . . I am not "exiled" anymore . . . and did you actually graduate from K-State, or are you still there and posing a threat to K-State's accreditation??

  

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

LOL . . . you guys have some serious reading comprehension problems.   No where did I say, "gosh, sure wish we'd have hired Hawkins."   It's just the logic . . . Okay, Leavitt turned us down, Hawkins will play his kid . . . hey what about this Ron Prince guy??  What kind of thinking is that??


Gee Kougs . . . Timid Timmy "borrows" $500K from K-State Athletics (when he was always whining about how there was never enough money) in a highly inappropriate, extremely unethical little "good old boy" loan deal . . . responsible in part for hiring Ron Prince, and yet you still support the guy.   Love ya Kougs.

Still easily the best AD we've ever had, dude. It's not that that wasn't a BS move by Weiser; it's that there are so many better targets for you to choose from, Tim shouldn't even be on your hate-radar.

Also, it's still a fact that Wefald was behind the Prince hiring engine and Tim was against it, FWIW. Not my opinion. Known.

Hey Goldie . . . I am not "exiled" anymore . . . and did you actually graduate from K-State, or are you still there and posing a threat to K-State's accreditation??

I didn't say you were still exiled. I just said that you had been and that Weiser was the one that had to drop the hammer on you. Thus, the strange infatuation with him.

And I graduated.

[sonofdaxjones]

LOL . . . you guys have some serious reading comprehension problems.   No where did I say, "gosh, sure wish we'd have hired Hawkins."   It's just the logic . . . Okay, Leavitt turned us down, Hawkins will play his kid . . . hey what about this Ron Prince guy??  What kind of thinking is that??


Gee Kougs . . . Timid Timmy "borrows" $500K from K-State Athletics (when he was always whining about how there was never enough money) in a highly inappropriate, extremely unethical little "good old boy" loan deal . . . responsible in part for hiring Ron Prince, and yet you still support the guy.   Love ya Kougs.

Still easily the best AD we've ever had, dude. It's not that that wasn't a BS move by Weiser; it's that there are so many better targets for you to choose from, Tim shouldn't even be on your hate-radar.

Also, it's still a fact that Wefald was behind the Prince hiring engine and Tim was against it, FWIW. Not my opinion. Known.

Hey Goldie . . . I am not "exiled" anymore . . . and did you actually graduate from K-State, or are you still there and posing a threat to K-State's accreditation??

I didn't say you were still exiled. I just said that you had been and that Weiser was the one that had to drop the hammer on you. Thus, the strange infatuation with him.

And I graduated.

Congrats to you . . . and congrats to K-State for not losing accreditation while you were there, and for letting you graduate.

[kougar24]

LOL . . . you guys have some serious reading comprehension problems.   No where did I say, "gosh, sure wish we'd have hired Hawkins."   It's just the logic . . . Okay, Leavitt turned us down, Hawkins will play his kid . . . hey what about this Ron Prince guy??  What kind of thinking is that??


Gee Kougs . . . Timid Timmy "borrows" $500K from K-State Athletics (when he was always whining about how there was never enough money) in a highly inappropriate, extremely unethical little "good old boy" loan deal . . . responsible in part for hiring Ron Prince, and yet you still support the guy.   Love ya Kougs.

Still easily the best AD we've ever had, dude. It's not that that wasn't a BS move by Weiser; it's that there are so many better targets for you to choose from, Tim shouldn't even be on your hate-radar.

Also, it's still a fact that Wefald was behind the Prince hiring engine and Tim was against it, FWIW. Not my opinion. Known.

He totally and absolutely FAILED to capitalize on the "pinnacle" of KSU football success, was afraid of the KC market, barely lifted a finger to excite and grow the fanbase.   He did some good things, and certainly he was better than Krause was . . . but picking the "Best" AD at K-State is kind of like having to choose between a Chevy Vega and a Pontiac Aztec.    

Come in Tim . . . there's no crying in major college athletics.  Oh yeah, his foot dragging on the basketball practice facility, and "kiss the ring" attitude was all the material Huggins needed to leave K-State after one year.

Hey Goldie . . . I am not "exiled" anymore . . . and did you actually graduate from K-State, or are you still there and posing a threat to K-State's accreditation??

  

Doesn't matter what it's like choosing between...Weiser is still the best we've had to date.

I have every hope in the world that Currie can blow him away, however. It shouldn't be very hard.

[KSUTOMMY]

If Weiser had a sack he would have threatened to quit when Wefald's senile ass insisted on hiring a 2 yr mid 30s OC from UVA (I still dont know what the infatuation with Al Groh is). That amount of publicity would have made the Prince hiring so unpopular, one would have to think things could have been so much more different. But as it sits, we are stuck with the Kelvin Sampson scenario; these guys have taken a HUGE dump on KSU and none are here and none are held accountable - we as fans have to pay for all that $$ which is gone. The kicker is - the most non-deserving of all the players, Prince, is going to come out the big winner after he broke his c0ck off in our collective ass!

my rant is over.

OT - has that 3M to Prince behind the scenes deal been figured out, or is it still twisting on the flagpole?