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Author Topic: KC Catbackers tonight...Fitz is the featured guest speaker  (Read 1034 times)

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April 29, 2009, 11:35:46 AM
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Anyone going to where their "It's Patterson!" shirt?

April 29, 2009, 11:42:21 AM
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Anyone going to where their "It's Patterson!" shirt?

Those never got made, did they?  I posted that I'd cough up cash, but heard nothing.

April 29, 2009, 11:53:42 AM
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Anyone going to where their "It's Patterson!" shirt?

Those never got made, did they?  I posted that I'd cough up cash, but heard nothing.

No, due to an almost-guaranteed resultant Fitz lawsuit. Because he's a douche.

April 29, 2009, 11:55:47 AM
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Anyone going to where their "It's Patterson!" shirt?

Those never got made, did they?  I posted that I'd cough up cash, but heard nothing.

No, due to an almost-guaranteed resultant Fitz lawsuit. Because he's a douche.

If someone has the artwork image, shoot it to me and I'll have some made up.  I won't distribute them commercially, but would love to have one for myself.

April 29, 2009, 11:59:18 AM
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Fitz is very lawsuit happy.  I think he learned how profitable they could be at some point in his life. 
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April 29, 2009, 12:03:55 PM
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Fitz is very lawsuit happy.  I think he learned how profitable they could be at some point in his life. 

At first he was pissed about Sean Kelly taking his money, until he realized, "Hey, I could do that to others!"

The rest is history.

April 29, 2009, 12:11:26 PM
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Who's going?

Where are they having it?  Too lazy to look.  I could get talked into getting off work early, slamming 6-12 Mike's Hard Lemonade (appropriate don't you think) before it starts and heckling the crap out of him.  tia :beerchug: <---- but with MHL.
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April 29, 2009, 12:11:34 PM
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Anyone going to where their "It's Patterson!" shirt?

Those never got made, did they?  I posted that I'd cough up cash, but heard nothing.

No, due to an almost-guaranteed resultant Fitz lawsuit. Because he's a douche.

If someone has the artwork image, shoot it to me and I'll have some made up.  I won't distribute them commercially, but would love to have one for myself.





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April 29, 2009, 12:35:09 PM
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Who's going?

Where are they having it?  Too lazy to look.  I could get talked into getting off work early, slamming 6-12 Mike's Hard Lemonade (appropriate don't you think) before it starts and heckling the crap out of him.  tia :beerchug: <---- but with MHL.

It's at Lucky's.  5:30 happy hour, entertainment starts at 6:30.

April 30, 2009, 08:47:22 AM
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Who's going?

Where are they having it?  Too lazy to look.  I could get talked into getting off work early, slamming 6-12 Mike's Hard Lemonade (appropriate don't you think) before it starts and heckling the crap out of him.  tia :beerchug: <---- but with MHL.


It's at Lucky's.  5:30 happy hour, entertainment starts at 6:30.

Bumped in hopes someone can recap (c'mon, I know there's 'tard lurkers over here that surely went).  Any pics?  Any "it's patterson" shirts in the crowd?  Please tell me this happened.  TIA.
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April 30, 2009, 09:09:35 AM
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Pete attended and got some stuff.  I'll let him post it if he wants.  He wanted to last night but the midwest internet was broken. 
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April 30, 2009, 10:55:42 AM
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It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

April 30, 2009, 10:57:06 AM
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April 30, 2009, 11:04:24 AM
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Pete attended and got some stuff.  I'll let him post it if he wants.  He wanted to last night but the midwest internet was broken. 

Some good stuff from Fritz that I hadn't heard before.  He said that Weiser was effectively terminated from his position.  I had heard there was a clear rift between he and Weefs/Krause, but didn't know the extent.  Turns out that we still have to pay Weiser, so effectively the same thing as firing a guy under contract.  Probably explains why he took the Big 10 network job, because by doing that he can prolly keep earning his KSU money AND his non-athletic director money from Big 10 network.

Here's the part of the "firing" that surprised me.  According to Fritz Weiser was fired because he flat out refused to sign Prince to any kind of extension.  Krause and Weefs were exclusively in charge of that.  Makes me regret one or two of the horrible things I have said about Weiser.    :'(

So, we have an athletic department that has to pay Prince, Wieser, AND now has to pay to get out of many of the Ron Prince non-con games.....AND we have yet to hire an AD.  Could hamper our effort to get on hired.   Also said that we currently do not have the resources to keep Frank once the offers start coming next year.


other items.....

Harman is officially a starter at Safety.  Apparently he has told folks that last year he was just wining it, trying to teach himself how to play safety, and this year he is "being coached."  Kinda hard to believe that they literally did not coach him, and also kinda hard to believe that our former coaches were really THAT much worse that the current guys, but that is now pretty much the talking point across the board on the defense.  Prolly just a Koening(sp?) smoke screen and preemptive CYA, IMO.


April 30, 2009, 11:11:55 AM
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Harman is officially a starter at Safety.  Apparently he has told folks that last year he was just wining it, trying to teach himself how to play safety, and this year he is "being coached."  Kinda hard to believe that they literally did not coach him, and also kinda hard to believe that our former coaches were really THAT much worse that the current guys, but that is now pretty much the talking point across the board on the defense.  Prolly just a Koening(sp?) smoke screen and preemptive CYA, IMO.

I think its pretty clear that the lack of coaching on the defensive side of the ball is not being exaggerated at this point.  That was maybe high school JV level stuff that we were putting out there technique and scheme-wise.  Some of the stuff we did that is now being confirmed by the players is simply mind-boggling for a BCS football program.

April 30, 2009, 11:13:38 AM
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Harman is officially a starter at Safety.  Apparently he has told folks that last year he was just wining it, trying to teach himself how to play safety, and this year he is "being coached."  Kinda hard to believe that they literally did not coach him, and also kinda hard to believe that our former coaches were really THAT much worse that the current guys, but that is now pretty much the talking point across the board on the defense.  Prolly just a Koening(sp?) smoke screen and preemptive CYA, IMO.

I think its pretty clear that the lack of coaching on the defensive side of the ball is not being exaggerated at this point.  That was maybe high school JV level stuff that we were putting out there technique and scheme-wise.  Some of the stuff we did that is now being confirmed by the players is simply mind-boggling for a BCS football program.

don't buy it for one second. what was stopping moore/harold from being good? hartman sounds like a loser making excuses.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

April 30, 2009, 11:17:51 AM
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I blame Weiser for allowing Prince to schedule like that.  I'm hoping that this forces us to not get out of the games, because when we get out of those game, we'll not only have to pay to break the contract but we'll, most likely, have to pay the guarantee money to the quasi-DII team that we'll bring in as a replacement (and yes I now that there would be an offset to those expenses based upon the revenues we'd get from home game we'd pick up).  All that money should be going to Frank anways.  We shouldn't tell basketball that the reason we can't fund their success is because we're too much of a p*ssy to go play UCLA in football.

April 30, 2009, 11:20:41 AM
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Harman is officially a starter at Safety.  Apparently he has told folks that last year he was just wining it, trying to teach himself how to play safety, and this year he is "being coached."  Kinda hard to believe that they literally did not coach him, and also kinda hard to believe that our former coaches were really THAT much worse that the current guys, but that is now pretty much the talking point across the board on the defense.  Prolly just a Koening(sp?) smoke screen and preemptive CYA, IMO.

I think its pretty clear that the lack of coaching on the defensive side of the ball is not being exaggerated at this point.  That was maybe high school JV level stuff that we were putting out there technique and scheme-wise.  Some of the stuff we did that is now being confirmed by the players is simply mind-boggling for a BCS football program.

don't buy it for one second. what was stopping moore/harold from being good? hartman sounds like a loser making excuses.

I have to agree with this.  Also, gmafb with the "coach em up" crap...what was stopping the staff (essentially the same staff as we have now I might add) in '04 and '05 from producing a good defense?  I'd like to think it was less Rashaad Wahington's and more Jesse Tetuan's, rather than Jesse not back pedaling properly.

April 30, 2009, 11:30:37 AM
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Harman is officially a starter at Safety.  Apparently he has told folks that last year he was just wining it, trying to teach himself how to play safety, and this year he is "being coached."  Kinda hard to believe that they literally did not coach him, and also kinda hard to believe that our former coaches were really THAT much worse that the current guys, but that is now pretty much the talking point across the board on the defense.  Prolly just a Koening(sp?) smoke screen and preemptive CYA, IMO.

I think its pretty clear that the lack of coaching on the defensive side of the ball is not being exaggerated at this point.  That was maybe high school JV level stuff that we were putting out there technique and scheme-wise.  Some of the stuff we did that is now being confirmed by the players is simply mind-boggling for a BCS football program.

don't buy it for one second. what was stopping moore/harold from being good? hartman sounds like a loser making excuses.

I have to agree with this.  Also, gmafb with the "coach em up" crap...what was stopping the staff (essentially the same staff as we have now I might add) in '04 and '05 from producing a good defense?  I'd like to think it was less Rashaad Wahington's and more Jesse Tetuan's, rather than Jesse not back pedaling properly.

I never said talent wasn't a big issue, it most certainly is.  And I'm not sure we win more games with a better scheme/better coaching.  However, we would've been in position to win more games, there is no doubt in my mind.  And teams would've had to work harder to scheme us.  Seriously, you see the issues we had defensively on film and the high number of poor tendancies and poor habits we had, its not too tough to game plan and you are going to go into games with more confidence.  That's football.  Granted, if you have talent deficiencies those are tough to hide as well, but good coaches can scheme and gameplan for a while to give their team a chance.  And they can scheme to put their best players in position to make more plays.  IMO, Prince and his staff did neither very often and Snyder did that several times his last couple seasons, just not enough to make up for the lack of talent.  There is a reason Prince didn't have many, nor win many, close games. 

Now, is that what you build a program with?  No way.  You have to recruit and Snyder will sink or swim based on that, but I do think he can put a more competitive product on the field with less than Prince did, but that simply isn't very difficult to do.

Hey, the ksufans.com montra of talent is amusing and has a lot of truth to it.  But at the BCS level you also better have sound schemes, be able to gameplan, and put players in position to be successful.  If you have one or the other it probably isn't enough, but if you have neither like we've had the last several years you are just going to have a horrible football program.

April 30, 2009, 11:34:24 AM
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Pete attended and got some stuff.  I'll let him post it if he wants.  He wanted to last night but the midwest internet was broken. 

Also said that we currently do not have the resources to keep Frank once the offers start coming next year.


 :runaway:  :runaway:  :runaway:  :runaway:  :runaway:  :runaway:

April 30, 2009, 11:50:14 AM
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Pete attended and got some stuff.  I'll let him post it if he wants.  He wanted to last night but the midwest internet was broken. 

Also said that we currently do not have the resources to keep Frank once the offers start coming next year.


 :runaway:  :runaway:  :runaway:  :runaway:  :runaway:  :runaway:

...also, what is even worse is that we have NO ONE in charge who has the power to begin to prepare for something like this, let alone think about it and focus on it.

We don't have the money for a good AD, so we will go get some Mid-major schlep who has no idea what he is getting into.  Lew Perkins will have yet another bitch.

April 30, 2009, 11:51:39 AM
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Weiser went to the Big 10 Network??   :confused:

I am no fan of the Weeper, and my early praise of Bob Krause was entirely misguided . . . but to play the flip side of the coin for a second.   Weepers and the Stache had a degree of paranoia going about Prince, because of Weiser's total bungling of the Huggins situation.   K-State's attempts to keep Huggins were ENTIRELY reactive . . . and Weiser's treatment of Huggins from a "kiss the ring . . . be glad you've got a job", coupled with Weiser's complete misunderstanding of how to deal with coach like Huggins did nothing but make Huggins decision to take the WV job that much easier.  Thus Weeper and Stache wanted to be (right or wrong) proactive about Prince.    Frankly, nobody should be all that upset with Weeper and the Prussian in regards to giving Prince a raise and contract extension . . . they should be infinitely ticked off about how they handled Weiser.  That being said  10 cent Timmy as far as I am concerned brought their paranoia on to himself, and given that Prince's raise wasn't that large, and frankly in the grand scheme of things, his buyout wasn't that big, it really shouldn't have been that big a deal.  But, 10 cent Timmy was perfectly happy with having the lowest paid football coach in the Big 12, and the lowest paid basketball coach in the Big 12 . . . that would've suited 10 cent Timmy just fine.

And a Pete . . . how did K-State afford to pay 10 cent Timmy $700K a year?




April 30, 2009, 11:52:25 AM
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should have kept krause. at least we would have had a better shot at retaining frank w/krause in charge. w/a new ad, it's pretty much a slam dunk frank will leave asap.
It is a tragedy because now, we have at least an extra month without Cat football until next year. I hate wasting my life away but I can hardly wait until next year.

April 30, 2009, 11:55:43 AM
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Fitz needs to change the tampon out and get over Krause dissasociating him from athletics over the Patterson frack job.  Seriously, his little routine about how the K-State athletic department is a total hell hole on the verge financial collapse is getting old.  And this new line about how no AD in their right mind will want to the take the job is getting really old.  We've got some challenges, but FITZ is COMPLETELY overblowing the situation.

We get it, Tim, you're buddy Wesier is no longer calling the shots over at the athletic department and you're panties are still in a wad over it.  Time to move on.

Weiser refusing to sign the Prince's extension and getting fired over it was the best situation in the long run for K-State athletics.  Period. He should have been fired on the spot for hiring the clown in the first place.  Krause wasn't the answer, but it was and is time for some new blood that has some voracity to compete in the Big XII with cut throats like Perkins down the road.  Not someone that sits in his office bean counting and running our athletic department like Fort Hayes State and then at the end of the year getting a 250K performance bonus because we were officially in the black for the fiscal year.







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April 30, 2009, 11:57:15 AM
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Weiser went to the Big 10 Network??   :confused:



And a Pete . . . how did K-State afford to pay 10 cent Timmy $700K a year?





It's ridiculous, I know.  But, the point here is that we are STILL paying him that.

April 30, 2009, 11:59:17 AM
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Weiser went to the Big 10 Network??   :confused:





No, with Big 12...sorry confused him with someone else.  However, he is still out of the "AD gig" and likely not violating any agreements with KSU so he can still get his fat chunk of change.

April 30, 2009, 12:04:31 PM
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I know . . . Weiser's got a sweet deal.   

But I agree with Wabash . . . Emporia State style Timmy would be nothing but a drag on K-State athletics over the long haul, and you have to laugh at MisFitzermation constantly talking about how K-State athletics is in such a shamble financially.   Well . . . if that's the case, have they laid anybody off, have they cut budgets, have they told any coach they can't do something??  Maybe that stuff is going on, but I haven't seen one word about it . . . usually the first sign of financial "shambles" is people getting laid off, or budgets being cut.   Hell, the K-State volleyball team must have had a quarter of million laying around that they tossed down the drain with that travel company. 






April 30, 2009, 12:04:51 PM
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i don't think you can blame a stupid/reactive decicsion of Wesier regarding Huggins' contract for the stupid/reactive decision that Weefs and Stache made with prince's extension.  Both were stupid/reactive decisions.  

also, I'll add that Weefs and Stache were knee deep in the Prince hire.  They aren't absolved of that, and considering they forced his extension, I'd put the Prince f-up more on them than Tim.

the new AD better (but probably won't) tell Snyder "tough sh*t" about getting out of those games.  if OB really wants to calm the waters, he'll preside over the terribleness that is KSU football, not further deepen the monetary problems and thus affect men's basketball....and which would only F us in the A even more by not being able to retain Frank should/when we have success in future seasons.  
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April 30, 2009, 12:08:32 PM
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why the f*ck are we paying snyder more than Prince?

just wondering.  thanks.