Official football 2010 Recruiting thread

[KCcat28]

Navarro College (Corsicana, Texas) defensive tackle Ray Kibble, originally from Hastings (Houston), committed to sign as part of Kansas State's Class of 2010 Thursday, ESPN affiliate Web site KSUFans.com reports.

He recently made an official visit to Kansas State along with Navarro teammate Justin Williams, who is committed to the Wildcats.

goodbye dominique jones and tre walker

 

Do you think we were bringing in Tre to play DT?

no.  but dominique jones is probably now going to go to missouri and he's going to tell tre walker to go to missouri with him.

 

So... we should stop recruiting DTs so that maybe we can land Jones?

Depth on the D-line is a must right now. We will take them all. I wouldn't mind if we have over 5 DT's in this class...

[treysolid]

Navarro College (Corsicana, Texas) defensive tackle Ray Kibble, originally from Hastings (Houston), committed to sign as part of Kansas State's Class of 2010 Thursday, ESPN affiliate Web site KSUFans.com reports.

He recently made an official visit to Kansas State along with Navarro teammate Justin Williams, who is committed to the Wildcats.

goodbye dominique jones and tre walker

 

Do you think we were bringing in Tre to play DT?

no.  but dominique jones is probably now going to go to missouri and he's going to tell tre walker to go to missouri with him.

 

So... we should stop recruiting DTs so that maybe we can land Jones?

given the other glaring needs we have in this class (QB, WR, LB and OL), i would think that we can only take about 6 DL (ideally 3 DTs and 3 DEs).  we already had Boyd (3X2) and Justin Williams (3X3) in the fold and it would have been really nice to then focus on a HS DT.  obviously we need bodies, but we also need to focus on building depth.  none of these guys are going to redshirt, because we'll have only guidry and crews as non-converted scholarship DTs after this season.  all we are doing is creating another logjam of bodies up at the top of the rotation.  and considering that 4 out of every 5 jucos completely suck ass their first year, what's the real benefit?

[KSUTOMMY]

Navarro College (Corsicana, Texas) defensive tackle Ray Kibble, originally from Hastings (Houston), committed to sign as part of Kansas State's Class of 2010 Thursday, ESPN affiliate Web site KSUFans.com reports.

He recently made an official visit to Kansas State along with Navarro teammate Justin Williams, who is committed to the Wildcats.

goodbye dominique jones and tre walker

 

Navarro is to Snyder as NEO is to Prince.

 Kibble   

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/football/recruiting/player-Ray-Kibble-97130

I like Kibbles' Bits...

Ht:6'5"
Wt:310 lbs
40:5.1 secs
 

That is pretty nice for a O Lineman... if a guy with that kind of size can play the D --- WOW!!!

[Bullfn33]

there should be no complaining about large DT's that are 3-stars or better...the D-Line has needed bodies for years.

[cas]

5 of the 13 commits are DL.

Not sure what to think about that.

[ksu_FAN]

5 of the 13 commits are DL.

Not sure what to think about that.

 K-STATE DEFENSE
 DE 95 Jeffrey Fitzgerald 6-4 280 Sr.-TR
  90 Eric Childs 6-3 250 Sr.-3L
 DT 94 Raphael Guidry 6-4 274 So.-1L
  46 Prizell Brown 6-4 264 Jr.-TR
NT 99 Daniel Calvin 6-3 310 Sr.-1L
  97 Chidubamu Abana 6-4 295 Sr.-1L
 DE 50 Hansen Sekona 6-0 230 Sr.-1L
  40 Antonio Felder 6-2 253 Jr.-1L

There is the current 2 deep.  Over half of those are SRs and its not like the defensive line is the strength of the team right now.  Then when you look at the roster, its not like we have a bunch of guys ready to replace them.

But we shouldn't be completely surprised, especially since the previous staff employed a 3 man front the last couple years  We have to get a lot more depth at DL into the program if we want to become competitive in the North again, let alone in the league as a whole or nationally.

[JTKSU]

Navarro College (Corsicana, Texas) defensive tackle Ray Kibble, originally from Hastings (Houston), committed to sign as part of Kansas State's Class of 2010 Thursday, ESPN affiliate Web site KSUFans.com reports.

He recently made an official visit to Kansas State along with Navarro teammate Justin Williams, who is committed to the Wildcats.

goodbye dominique jones and tre walker

 

Do you think we were bringing in Tre to play DT?

no.  but dominique jones is probably now going to go to missouri and he's going to tell tre walker to go to missouri with him.

 

So... we should stop recruiting DTs so that maybe we can land Jones?

given the other glaring needs we have in this class (QB, WR, LB and OL), i would think that we can only take about 6 DL (ideally 3 DTs and 3 DEs).  we already had Boyd (3X2) and Justin Williams (3X3) in the fold and it would have been really nice to then focus on a HS DT.  obviously we need bodies, but we also need to focus on building depth.  none of these guys are going to redshirt, because we'll have only guidry and crews as non-converted scholarship DTs after this season.  all we are doing is creating another logjam of bodies up at the top of the rotation.  and considering that 4 out of every 5 jucos completely suck ass their first year, what's the real benefit?

Isn't that pretty much what depth is?  Do you propose that we recruit some dudes that are good enough to start and other dudes that are only good enough to be back-ups so that there is no logjam at the top?  And the real benefit is these dudes are most likely better than any DTs we will have on the roster next year.

[treysolid]

there is a difference between "having bodies" and "having depth".  if we had 16 DL on our team and 8 were seniors and 8 were juniors with no sophomores or freshman, would you say that we have depth?

[JTKSU]

there is a difference between "having bodies" and "having depth".  if we had 16 DL on our team and 8 were seniors and 8 were juniors with no sophomores or freshman, would you say that we have depth?

Depth has nothing to do with class designations.  It has to do with having players on your bench that are able to actually contribute when required to.  If we had an equal number of players from each class, but none of them were good, would that be nice depth to you?   No, that would be having bodies.  Now, you do want younger players waiting in the wings to ensure depth for the future, but depth alone refers to quality back-ups, regardless of their class designation.

[KITNfury]

there is a difference between "having bodies" and "having depth".  if we had 16 DL on our team and 8 were seniors and 8 were juniors with no sophomores or freshman, would you say that we have depth?

That would be excellent depth, assuming they didn't all suck. The following year things would change dramatically.

[doom]

I don't think we've lost Jones just because we've gotten a bunch of 2 year Juco guys to commit.  If anything our DT recruiting is probably worse than Mizzou, therefore, making the competition for a starting spot more advantageous here.  Although they currently have no one for this year, in the past 3 classes they had 2 *** a **** and a ***** DT.  That is depth. 

[treysolid]

there is a difference between "having bodies" and "having depth".  if we had 16 DL on our team and 8 were seniors and 8 were juniors with no sophomores or freshman, would you say that we have depth?

Depth has nothing to do with class designations.  It has to do with having players on your bench that are able to actually contribute when required to.  If we had an equal number of players from each class, but none of them were good, would that be nice depth to you?   No, that would be having bodies.  Now, you do want younger players waiting in the wings to ensure depth for the future, but depth alone refers to quality back-ups, regardless of their class designation.

i'll take the lesser of the two evils.  you are assuming that justin williams and ray kibble are good.  like i've said before, 4 out of every 5 jucos completely suck ass their first year and 3 out of 5 suck ass for their entire career.  so yes, I'd rather have some balance to the classes and have to deal with sucky freshmen rather than sucky juniors.

[treysolid]

I don't think we've lost Jones just because we've gotten a bunch of 2 year Juco guys to commit.  If anything our DT recruiting is probably worse than Mizzou, therefore, making the competition for a starting spot more advantageous here.  Although they currently have no one for this year, in the past 3 classes they had 2 *** a **** and a ***** DT.  That is depth. 

that 5 star DT went juco.  so missouri has gotten 3 DTs in the last 3 years?  yeah, they're not hurting for people at that position.

[ksu_FAN]

I don't think we've lost Jones just because we've gotten a bunch of 2 year Juco guys to commit.  If anything our DT recruiting is probably worse than Mizzou, therefore, making the competition for a starting spot more advantageous here.  Although they currently have no one for this year, in the past 3 classes they had 2 *** a **** and a ***** DT.  That is depth. 

that 5 star DT went juco.  so missouri has gotten 3 DTs in the last 3 years?  yeah, they're not hurting for people at that position.

We have 3 returning guys listed on our roster at DT, granted Brown is listed at DE and has been playing DT. 

We've got 3 commitments from DTs for this class, one a HS kid to develop, one a JUCO with 3 years, one a JUCO with 2 years. 

I guess I'm failing to see the problem here.

 

[treysolid]

I don't think we've lost Jones just because we've gotten a bunch of 2 year Juco guys to commit.  If anything our DT recruiting is probably worse than Mizzou, therefore, making the competition for a starting spot more advantageous here.  Although they currently have no one for this year, in the past 3 classes they had 2 *** a **** and a ***** DT.  That is depth. 

that 5 star DT went juco.  so missouri has gotten 3 DTs in the last 3 years?  yeah, they're not hurting for people at that position.

We have 3 returning guys listed on our roster at DT, granted Brown is listed at DE and has been playing DT. 

We've got 3 commitments from DTs for this class, one a HS kid to develop, one a JUCO with 3 years, one a JUCO with 2 years. 

I guess I'm failing to see the problem here.

 

no, our DTs for this class so far are two Jucos with 2 years and a Juco with 3 years.

the problem is that the same people who railed on Prince (after the fact) for recruiting 3 star crap jucos all of a sudden think it's great that were loading up on the 3 star crap jucos this year.  i understand we need bodies, and i like boyd and davis, but kibble and williams need to GTFOOMMFF so that we can sign some decent high school dudes.

[ksu_FAN]

no, our DTs for this class so far are two Jucos with 2 years and a Juco with 3 years.

the problem is that the same people who railed on Prince (after the fact) for recruiting 3 star crap jucos all of a sudden think it's great that were loading up on the 3 star crap jucos this year.  i understand we need bodies, and i like boyd and davis, but kibble and williams need to GTFOOMMFF so that we can sign some decent high school dudes.

Yeah, you are correct.  Mistook Boyd for a HS for some reason.

I can see what you are saying, but I think it does depend on position.  DT is tough to recruit, and its a position that K-State under Snyder consistently recruited from the JUCO ranks.  And we simply need immediate help with our front 4 on defense; the Koenning/Cosh 4-2-5 is predicated on being able to pressure and stop the run with your front 4 and we can't do that very well now.  At this point in time, we have missed on impact HS DTs (there aren't many) so we've got to get JUCO kids. 

FWIW, I'd like to see more HS kids as well, but I don't know how many options we have.  We're going to have to hope we hit on some of these JUCO kids if we want to compete the next 2 years.  Its a balance issue and I suppose I trust Snyder's track record with using JUCO talent, but we'll have to see.

[MadCat]

tulsaworld.com

Jenks senior Bob Graham plays on an offensive line with one of the best tackles in the state, but colleges haven't overlooked Graham.

The 6-foot-5, 260-pound lineman has narrowed his offers down to four schools: Louisville, Kansas, Iowa State and Colorado State.

Graham plans to go to Kansas City this weekend for Iowa State's game against Kansas State at Arrowhead Stadium and intends to make an official visit to Iowa State this month. He also plans to be at Kansas for next week's game against the Cyclones...

...The Tulsa World's Matt Baker caught up with Graham this week to talk about his weirdest recruiting story and what he's looking for at the next level:

Kansas State, I guess somehow, their coach thought I was coming up for their spring game. He said I e-mailed him, which I didn't. He came down here to look at another guy, Tyler Ott. He comes up to me and says, "Why weren't you at our spring game?"

I'm like, "What are you talking about?" He said: "You sent me an e-mail telling me you were coming. I expected to see you there." I said, "I didn't send you an e-mail." Then he goes: "Yeah, it's all right. I just think actions speak louder than words."

I'm just like: "I'm sorry. I didn't send you an e-mail, but all right. I guess that's cool."

And then their offer came
two days later in the mail. ... It's on my table, just sitting there. ...

[steve dave]

God damn it Bill 

[catzacker]

we should all be fine with any talent we get, juco or otherwise.  we desperately need help upfront, specifically at the DT spot and DT isn't a position that is easily filled (early) by HS kids, especially since we have no shot with HS kids that could.  

[catzacker]

tulsaworld.com

Jenks senior Bob Graham plays on an offensive line with one of the best tackles in the state, but colleges haven't overlooked Graham.

The 6-foot-5, 260-pound lineman has narrowed his offers down to four schools: Louisville, Kansas, Iowa State and Colorado State.

Graham plans to go to Kansas City this weekend for Iowa State's game against Kansas State at Arrowhead Stadium and intends to make an official visit to Iowa State this month. He also plans to be at Kansas for next week's game against the Cyclones...

...The Tulsa World's Matt Baker caught up with Graham this week to talk about his weirdest recruiting story and what he's looking for at the next level:

Kansas State, I guess somehow, their coach thought I was coming up for their spring game. He said I e-mailed him, which I didn't. He came down here to look at another guy, Tyler Ott. He comes up to me and says, "Why weren't you at our spring game?"

I'm like, "What are you talking about?" He said: "You sent me an e-mail telling me you were coming. I expected to see you there." I said, "I didn't send you an e-mail." Then he goes: "Yeah, it's all right. I just think actions speak louder than words."

I'm just like: "I'm sorry. I didn't send you an e-mail, but all right. I guess that's cool."

And then their offer came
two days later in the mail. ... It's on my table, just sitting there. ...

sweet f'ing christ.  you have got to be f'ing kidding me.  jfc, maybe snyds and co. shouldn't have e-mail, it's just confusing them. 

[KITNfury]

wish that dude would have named the coach that said that to him.

[Bhyaaaaa!]

wish that dude would have named the coach that said that to him.

Couldn't have been Dickey.


Could it of been?

[WildCatzPhreak]

Cosh still doing pretty well.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/high-school/bal-arundel1002,0,4695742.story

Billy Cosh knew that his team's game against Annapolis last night was a big one. Fortunately for Cosh, he knew just where to look for instant offense.

The senior quarterback, who is headed to Kansas State to play football next year, found receiver Ronnie Harris for touchdown catches of 43, 3 and 34 yards to lead host and No. 3 Arundel (5-0, 5-0) to a 38-7 win over the Panthers (4-1, 4-1) in an Anne Arundel County League game.

The duo combined for three touchdowns and 179 yards in the win.

"We both tried out for quarterback our freshman year, and he beat me out," said Harris. "I decided to switch to receiver, and we've been clicking ever since."

With Arundel leading 7-0 in the first quarter, the tandem went to work. Cosh found Harris wide open on a post pattern and hit him in stride with a 43-yard pass to make it 14-0 with 1:48 left in the first quarter.

Early in the second quarter, Cosh found him again, first hitting him on second and 13 with a 14-yard strike at the Annapolis 17, then again two plays later from three yards out to make the lead 21-0 with 11:03 left in the first half.

Their most impressive strike may have been with 3:26 left in the third quarter. Cosh faked a handoff, then dropped a tight spiral over the Panthers' defense and into Harris' arms in the middle of the end zone.

The touchdown made the lead 28-0, and put the game out of reach.

"I saw the safetys creeping up, and I knew it was time to go deep," said Cosh. "That play has worked very well for us, and it sure worked tonight.":

[JTKSU]

tulsaworld.com

Jenks senior Bob Graham plays on an offensive line with one of the best tackles in the state, but colleges haven't overlooked Graham.

The 6-foot-5, 260-pound lineman has narrowed his offers down to four schools: Louisville, Kansas, Iowa State and Colorado State.

Graham plans to go to Kansas City this weekend for Iowa State's game against Kansas State at Arrowhead Stadium and intends to make an official visit to Iowa State this month. He also plans to be at Kansas for next week's game against the Cyclones...

...The Tulsa World's Matt Baker caught up with Graham this week to talk about his weirdest recruiting story and what he's looking for at the next level:

Kansas State, I guess somehow, their coach thought I was coming up for their spring game. He said I e-mailed him, which I didn't. He came down here to look at another guy, Tyler Ott. He comes up to me and says, "Why weren't you at our spring game?"

I'm like, "What are you talking about?" He said: "You sent me an e-mail telling me you were coming. I expected to see you there." I said, "I didn't send you an e-mail." Then he goes: "Yeah, it's all right. I just think actions speak louder than words."

I'm just like: "I'm sorry. I didn't send you an e-mail, but all right. I guess that's cool."

And then their offer came
two days later in the mail. ... It's on my table, just sitting there. ...

sweet f'ing christ.  you have got to be f'ing kidding me.  jfc, maybe snyds and co. shouldn't have e-mail, it's just confusing them.  

Considering his offer list, I guarantee more than half this board would melt down if we signed that kid.  A 6'5", 260 lb 2* with this offer list: Air Force, Colorado State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, North Texas, Toledo, Western Wyoming.  Did you expect us to roll out the red carpet?  Sounds like we offered him a token visit, hoping to get an "in" with his stud buddy and the dude stiffed us.  Would you rather Dickey kiss that little bitch's ass?

[catzacker]

Considering his offer list, I guarantee more than half this board would melt down if we signed that kid.  A 6'5", 260 lb 2* with this offer list: Air Force, Colorado State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, North Texas, Toledo, Western Wyoming.  Did you expect us to roll out the red carpet?  Sounds like we offered him a token visit, hoping to get an "in" with his stud buddy and the dude stiffed us.  Would you rather Dickey kiss that little bitch's ass?

i'd rather a recruiter for ksu acted like a professional instead of a child.  if this was a prince assistant, all the tards would be in an uproar.  but it's a snyds assistant so that makes it okay and it's all the kids' fault. 

[frankencat]

tulsaworld.com

Jenks senior Bob Graham plays on an offensive line with one of the best tackles in the state, but colleges haven't overlooked Graham.

The 6-foot-5, 260-pound lineman has narrowed his offers down to four schools: Louisville, Kansas, Iowa State and Colorado State.

Graham plans to go to Kansas City this weekend for Iowa State's game against Kansas State at Arrowhead Stadium and intends to make an official visit to Iowa State this month. He also plans to be at Kansas for next week's game against the Cyclones...

...The Tulsa World's Matt Baker caught up with Graham this week to talk about his weirdest recruiting story and what he's looking for at the next level:

Kansas State, I guess somehow, their coach thought I was coming up for their spring game. He said I e-mailed him, which I didn't. He came down here to look at another guy, Tyler Ott. He comes up to me and says, "Why weren't you at our spring game?"

I'm like, "What are you talking about?" He said: "You sent me an e-mail telling me you were coming. I expected to see you there." I said, "I didn't send you an e-mail." Then he goes: "Yeah, it's all right. I just think actions speak louder than words."

I'm just like: "I'm sorry. I didn't send you an e-mail, but all right. I guess that's cool."

And then their offer came
two days later in the mail. ... It's on my table, just sitting there. ...

This kid is an Okie, and you all take what he says at face value? 

[steve dave]

Considering his offer list, I guarantee more than half this board would melt down if we signed that kid.  A 6'5", 260 lb 2* with this offer list: Air Force, Colorado State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, North Texas, Toledo, Western Wyoming.  Did you expect us to roll out the red carpet?  Sounds like we offered him a token visit, hoping to get an "in" with his stud buddy and the dude stiffed us.  Would you rather Dickey kiss that little bitch's ass?

i'd rather a recruiter for ksu acted like a professional instead of a child.  if this was a prince assistant, all the tards would be in an uproar.  but it's a snyds assistant so that makes it okay and it's all the kids' fault. 

catzacker hits the nail on the head once again

[CrushNasty]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/football/recruiting/player-DeMarcus-Robertson-72998
 

[treysolid]

http://rivals.yahoo.com/kansasstate/football/recruiting/player-DeMarcus-Robertson-72998
 

 

[JTKSU]

Considering his offer list, I guarantee more than half this board would melt down if we signed that kid.  A 6'5", 260 lb 2* with this offer list: Air Force, Colorado State, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Louisville, North Texas, Toledo, Western Wyoming.  Did you expect us to roll out the red carpet?  Sounds like we offered him a token visit, hoping to get an "in" with his stud buddy and the dude stiffed us.  Would you rather Dickey kiss that little bitch's ass?

i'd rather a recruiter for ksu acted like a professional instead of a child.  if this was a prince assistant, all the tards would be in an uproar.  but it's a snyds assistant so that makes it okay and it's all the kids' fault. 

But it wasn't one of prince's staff, which leads me to take the side of Snyder's staff.  How many times in the past do you recall hearing stories about Snyder's staff (or Utah's, if it was in fact Dickey) acting in a childish and unprofessional matter?  Snyder gets the benefit of the doubt because he has shown, for the last 20 damn years, to be a guy of high moral character.  Prince, on the other hand, strung kids along until signing day only to rescind a schollie offer at the very last minute.  Yet you think it's odd that Snyder has more good will stored up with the fans.
 

He said: "You sent me an e-mail telling me you were coming. I expected to see you there." I said, "I didn't send you an e-mail." Then he goes: "Yeah, it's all right. I just think actions speak louder than words."

How is that even a childish statement?  You know what I think is childish?  Telling someone you'll be somewhere, them preparing for your arrival, and you standing them up.  But, there's no way an eighteen year old kid has ever lied to cover up his failure to live up to his responsibilities.  That is totally unheard of.