Palm!

[ksu_FAN]

"If playing in the Big 12 isn't important and playing the nonconference is more important, then we should be an independent," Martin said."... The conference schedule is what it's all about."

Jerry Palm, the publisher of collegerpi.com, practically snickered Monday.

"I would expect a coach whose team took the first two months off to say that," Palm said. "They might as well have played Baylor's schedule from a couple of years ago."

That was 2005-06, when the Bears were forbidden from competing in nonconference games because of the fallout from the investigation of the murder of former BU player Patrick Dennehy by teammate Carlton Dotson in 2003.

Isn't drawing a parallel between that situation and K-State's pre-Big 12 slate just a little harsh?

"If you're going to schedule bad teams -- and you didn't know Oregon and Iowa would be bad, especially Oregon -- you still have to win those games," Palm said. "And they still beat you.... I don't have a case for K-State.

"They have some nice wins, but they're hoping the committee ignores the other 25 (games)."

Truly worthy of K-State media hate?

[mcmwcat]

f that commie 

[slucat]

How can we be in the weaker division? Doesn't the north have more wins over the south? 2 teams ranked in the top 25.

[ksu_FAN]

How can we be in the weaker division? Doesn't the north have more wins over the south? 2 teams ranked in the top 25.

kenpom/RPI:

6/7 ku
10/13 MU
38/72 KSU
67/74 NU
102/151 ISU
182/230 CU

17/5 OU
28/38 UT
36/30 OSU
49/35 aTm
62/63 BU
112/135 TT

When you look at rankings, and especially the RPI, the North looks like its just a top heavy league while the South looks tougher with the best team in the league, the pack of teams in the 30s, and even their 5th best team (BU) rated better than us or NU.

[slucat]

like frank said, doesn't wins in losses in confrence play mean anything?

[ksu_FAN]

like frank said, doesn't wins in losses in confrence play mean anything?

Definately.  But I knew that when it came down to it this would be brought up again.  In our case, they seem to be minimizing those wins at aTm and UT and our perception is becoming reality.  We really need to win tonight to make our case even stronger though.   To say we have road wins at all those teams in the 30s from the south would be a very nice piece to our resume and hopefully would cover some of the bad parts. 

We've got to be able to ride those quality wins (MU, UT, aTm, OSU), our road record, and finishing strong (hopefully at least 9-3) to have a case.  Still think to have any "safe" feeling we need to beat ku or OU in OKC, but we will still have a case if we don't with a win tonight.

[slucat]

not that I think the team should feel 'safe' but all this BS about the confrence being so down, is absurd. how the big 12 couldn't get more than four teams in is crazy, last night the big monday crew was pimping the league pretty good. the katz need to win out and have a good showing in OKC.  if they can do that, there should be no doubt otherwise, there must be some big conspiriacy to keep us out.  if we lose tonight, then i think the big dance talk is over, baring a big 12 tourney title run.

[hemmy]

f him

[KITNfury]

I would expect a guy whose career is built around the RPI to ignore the conference slate.

[michigancat]

"If playing in the Big 12 isn't important and playing the nonconference is more important, then we should be an independent," Martin said."... The conference schedule is what it's all about."

Jerry Palm, the publisher of collegerpi.com, practically snickered Monday.

"I would expect a coach whose team took the first two months off to say that," Palm said. "They might as well have played Baylor's schedule from a couple of years ago."

That was 2005-06, when the Bears were forbidden from competing in nonconference games because of the fallout from the investigation of the murder of former BU player Patrick Dennehy by teammate Carlton Dotson in 2003.

Isn't drawing a parallel between that situation and K-State's pre-Big 12 slate just a little harsh?

"If you're going to schedule bad teams -- and you didn't know Oregon and Iowa would be bad, especially Oregon -- you still have to win those games," Palm said. "And they still beat you.... I don't have a case for K-State.

"They have some nice wins, but they're hoping the committee ignores the other 25 (games)."

Truly worthy of K-State media hate?

Can someone remind me who OSU has beaten? 

[ksu_FAN]

"If playing in the Big 12 isn't important and playing the nonconference is more important, then we should be an independent," Martin said."... The conference schedule is what it's all about."

Jerry Palm, the publisher of collegerpi.com, practically snickered Monday.

"I would expect a coach whose team took the first two months off to say that," Palm said. "They might as well have played Baylor's schedule from a couple of years ago."

That was 2005-06, when the Bears were forbidden from competing in nonconference games because of the fallout from the investigation of the murder of former BU player Patrick Dennehy by teammate Carlton Dotson in 2003.

Isn't drawing a parallel between that situation and K-State's pre-Big 12 slate just a little harsh?

"If you're going to schedule bad teams -- and you didn't know Oregon and Iowa would be bad, especially Oregon -- you still have to win those games," Palm said. "And they still beat you.... I don't have a case for K-State.

"They have some nice wins, but they're hoping the committee ignores the other 25 (games)."

Truly worthy of K-State media hate?

Can someone remind me who OSU has beaten? 

RPI is 30!  Tulsa and Sienna are salty.  In Devaney!  And of course, UT and aTm.

[fatty fat fat]

what a f*cking prick.

[FHSU92]

"If playing in the Big 12 isn't important and playing the nonconference is more important, then we should be an independent," Martin said."... The conference schedule is what it's all about."

Jerry Palm, the publisher of collegerpi.com, practically snickered Monday.

"I would expect a coach whose team took the first two months off to say that," Palm said. "They might as well have played Baylor's schedule from a couple of years ago."

That was 2005-06, when the Bears were forbidden from competing in nonconference games because of the fallout from the investigation of the murder of former BU player Patrick Dennehy by teammate Carlton Dotson in 2003.

Isn't drawing a parallel between that situation and K-State's pre-Big 12 slate just a little harsh?

"If you're going to schedule bad teams -- and you didn't know Oregon and Iowa would be bad, especially Oregon -- you still have to win those games," Palm said. "And they still beat you.... I don't have a case for K-State.

"They have some nice wins, but they're hoping the committee ignores the other 25 (games)."

Truly worthy of K-State media hate?

Can someone remind me who OSU has beaten? 

Their issue is that they lost to great teams & we last to bad ones, but their Lz nonetheless.

[catdude33]

WE BEAT CLEVELAND STATE ON THE ROAD!!!

[fatty fat fat]

WE BEAT CLEVELAND STATE ON THE ROAD!!!

qft. csu's only other homeless was a buzzer beater to butler

JFC. I f*cking hate palm

[FHSU92]

of the bubblies, who has a better 'last 12' W-L record? 

Based on his lojik, Baylor is a lock, right?

[fatty fat fat]

of the bubblies, who has a better 'last 12' W-L record? 

Based on his lojik, Baylor is a lock, right?

no one. i'd be shocked if any have more than 1 top 50 ROAD win.

if we win 2nite, we should be a 10 seed, tops.

[catzacker]

Our OOC was just terrible.  Even the crappy teams were really crappy.  Not only in who we played but who we lost to.  When you have an OOC slate who's 3 main ingredients include Kentucky (bubble-ish), Iowa (terrible), and Oregon (worse than worse)....and when you lose to all 3 of them, you have to make up for it in conference...we could do that with a win tonight and saturday. 

My impression of the selection committee is that they decide who is in/out before the conference tourneys even start.  They didn't really care that we beat TT in '07 because we weren't in the discussion to begin wtih.  So if we win tonight and Saturday, I think we would match up with many/all bubble teams in terms of what our potential rpi will be and our record (vs. top 50 rpi, last 10, last 12, etc.).  Then it just becomes a game of "how many scrub teams from scrub leagues jump up and win their conf tourney and take away a spot". 

[Bullfn33]

What is the collective orgasm over the non-conference with these dipsh1ts? Sure, if you're a mid-major you better have a great non-conference schedule but, motherfracker, teams evolve and get better throughout the season, especially young teams, and high-majors should be able to make up for it in conference.

It's becoming more and more apparent that it's all about the RPI/SOS aka "who you played in the non-conference," the two go hand in hand, forget the outcomes. I mean look at Notre Dame(16-13, 7-10). They are on the fracking bubble with that dogsh1t record. Even if you don't win against a tough schedule your RPI and SOS will be propped way up and that's what they ultimately look at to consider teams. That's also the only reason Oklahoma St. is considered in right now over A&M and KSU, never mind the fact they hadn't earned sh1t in the non-conference, they simply showed up. KSU didn't win either but our results are the same, one good win. Do they think KSU or any other bubble teams couldn't have shown up to Oklahoma State's schedule and lose?

The RPI system is schedule based and the non-conference is obviously weighted more than the conference schedule or last 12 when it should be the other way around..it's a joke.