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[wildcats92]

Colon can't score, Kent can't hold onto the ball, Where is Sutton?  Pullen stayed home.  Starting Merriweather? 
How about starting the walk-on from Topeka...nothing else works. 
They are not even guarding our bigs, except to double Kent so he will turn the ball over.

Someone please tell me what our offense philosophy is??  Cuz it is non-existent. 

And we can't guard a back door cut...thought this was D-1...not middle school.  Donate your salary this month Frank to Red Cross...cuz we need to stop the bleeding.

[sonofdaxjones]

Frank comes from the Huggins school . . .  that being there is no such thing as an offensive philosophy.  Which works okay if you have world class talent and a bunch of mugging thugs on the defensive end.   Not so good if you only have mediocre talent, and no thugs. 

[wildcats92]

Frank...watch some tape..get some offense...please!!  This is pathetic watching these guys stand around and wait for someone to score. 

Is there any chance that the recruits coming in next year will be able to score on actual D1 level talent by standing around  and shooting over there opponent or will it be more of the same...pressure defense, hope for a steal, miss the steal and give up a layup or easy 3?

That offense works in the MVC, just look at Dana..he had the same offense in Manhattan but it appears to be working at Creighton?

[feralchat]

Huggins ran sets in conference play two years ago. The team also limited turnovers.
Frank's philosophy is beat them down court and then you don't have to face a defense. Of course we run pell mell into a turnover.

[WavetheWheat]

I hate to tell you this, but Frank Martin is the worst bench coach in Big XII history.  Ricardo Patton laughs at Franks coaching ability.

The good news is you guys have a ton of talent coming in; the bad news is as long as he brings that talent you can't fire him.

I am embarrassed for K-State.  They look clueless.

[sonofdaxjones]

Huggins ran sets in conference play two years ago. The team also limited turnovers.
Frank's philosophy is beat them down court and then you don't have to face a defense. Of course we run pell mell into a turnover.

This is true about Huggins, and LOLer's at Frank's "push the ball down the floor" concept.

[fatty fat fat]

I hate to tell you this, but Frank Martin is the worst bench coach in Big XII history.  Ricardo Patton laughs at Franks coaching ability.

The good news is you guys have a ton of talent coming in; the bad news is as long as he brings that talent you can't fire him.

I am embarrassed for K-State.  They look clueless.

f*ck off.

[fatty fat fat]

Huggins ran sets in conference play two years ago. The team also limited turnovers.
Frank's philosophy is beat them down court and then you don't have to face a defense. Of course we run pell mell into a turnover.

huggins inherited a 6-10 team that lost only diarra and skyler thomas. that team also could have easily been 8-8.

they were much better than this pile of crap.

[WavetheWheat]

I hate to tell you this, but Frank Martin is the worst bench coach in Big XII history.  Ricardo Patton laughs at Franks coaching ability.

The good news is you guys have a ton of talent coming in; the bad news is as long as he brings that talent you can't fire him.

I am embarrassed for K-State.  They look clueless.

f*ck off.

Sorry Fatty....the truth hurts.  You guys look terrible.  

[ksu_FAN]

Fatty, excellent Martinite work tonight.

[fatty fat fat]

I hate to tell you this, but Frank Martin is the worst bench coach in Big XII history.  Ricardo Patton laughs at Franks coaching ability.

The good news is you guys have a ton of talent coming in; the bad news is as long as he brings that talent you can't fire him.

I am embarrassed for K-State.  They look clueless.

f*ck off.

Sorry Fatty....the truth hurts.  You guys look terrible.  

bad players make coaches look bad. but, i understand. If I was a ku fan I would also want to perpetuate the myth of "coaching" w/frank.

[wildcats92]

How about we try some 2 and 3 star recruits with a good coach and see what happens..because the 4 and 5 star recruits with a crappy coach doesnt seem to work...

Anyone else beginning to feel the same about our basketball and football teams...just need a coach that will adapt to his players talent?

Maybe when they get back to Manhattan they can run stairs for a couple of hours...that should help their offense

[fatty fat fat]

Anyone else beginning to feel the same about our basketball and football teams...just need a coach that will adapt to his players talent?

I look forward to your meltdowns when our 2009 football team looks like complete crap. Who's to blame then? 

[CatsNChiefs]

Anyone else beginning to feel the same about our basketball and football teams...just need a coach that will adapt to his players talent?

I look forward to your meltdowns when our 2009 football team looks like complete crap. Who's to blame then? 

Wefald

[TheCatsMeow]

Everyone has to see that 21+ turnovers is unacceptable.  No matter whos coaching or whos playing.  There is absolutely no way a team can win when they are turning the ball over that much.  Coach can only do so much but at some point the players just aren"t there.  We have talent but we aren't talented, if that makes sense.  I will stick with Martin for all of next year to see what he can do with a "complete" team.  Should be interesting, because everything KSU sports related is.    

[WavetheWheat]

Everyone has to see that 21+ turnovers is unacceptable.  No matter whos coaching or whos playing.  There is absolutely no way a team can win when they are turning the ball over that much.  Coach can only do so much but at some point the players just aren"t there.  We have talent but we aren't talented, if that makes sense.  I will stick with Martin for all of next year to see what he can do with a "complete" team.  Should be interesting, because everything KSU sports related is.    

Maybe playing 14 players at completely sporadic times isn't a good strategy.  What the hell happened to Dominique Sutton?  That is bad coaching.  He has talent and has regressed.  He isn't playing.  4 minutes today?  Color me confused.

[TheCatsMeow]

Everyone has to see that 21+ turnovers is unacceptable.  No matter whos coaching or whos playing.  There is absolutely no way a team can win when they are turning the ball over that much.  Coach can only do so much but at some point the players just aren"t there.  We have talent but we aren't talented, if that makes sense.  I will stick with Martin for all of next year to see what he can do with a "complete" team.  Should be interesting, because everything KSU sports related is.    

Maybe playing 14 players at completely sporadic times isn't a good strategy.  What the hell happened to Dominique Sutton?  That is bad coaching.  He has talent and has regressed.  He isn't playing.  4 minutes today?  Color me confused.

Well obviously you are new to sports or simply never played but it isnt uncommon for a coach to set a guy because his head/heart/sould (whatever) isnt there.  Sutton doesnt want to do what Martin wants, its pretty clear to see.  Now im ok with frank making the decision not to start him so maybe the kid needs a wake up call.  I actually like the fact that he wants our team to get out and run but when we simply dont have the horses to run then we are in big trouble.  Thats my problem with frank, and the talent coming in isnt necessarily running team quality either so hopefully something will change. 

[feralchat]

Zac's pretty much where I am. We have talent, unfortunately we don't have offensive talent. If we're not forcing turnovers -- and we haven't been able to in conference play -- we're not scoring.
Of course Sutton helps in that regard, so yes his absence is a mystery.

There's also Pullen's swoon and the teamwide failure to value the ball.

[WavetheWheat]

Sutton doesnt want to do what Martin wants, its pretty clear to see. 

Maybe Sutton, like the rest of us that have ever watched a minute of basketball have no freaking clue what Frank Martin is trying to accomplish?

"Play defense."  

"Okay we get that part coach, now what?"

"I said PLAY DEFENSE."

[TheCatsMeow]

Zac's pretty much where I am. We have talent, unfortunately we don't have offensive talent. If we're not forcing turnovers -- and we haven't been able to in conference play -- we're not scoring.
Of course Sutton helps in that regard, so yes his absence is a mystery.

There's also Pullen's swoon and the teamwide failure to value the ball.

This kills me to type because i hate cliches but i think with players like beasley and walker, pullen was free to take comfortable shots.  This year he has tons of pressure on him clearly from FM so he is forcing a bit.  No one on the floor looks comfortable, and in a smooth comfortable game thats not good.  

[fatty fat fat]

Sutton doesnt want to do what Martin wants, its pretty clear to see. 

Maybe Sutton, like the rest of us that have ever watched a minute of basketball have no freaking clue what Frank Martin is trying to accomplish?

"Play defense."  

"Okay we get that part coach, now what?"

"I said PLAY DEFENSE."

yeah dude, it's that simple.

I've watched crappy basketball teams for 13 years now, and they all have one thing in common. TERRIBLE PLAYERS. Wooldridge, Martin, Huggins, Asbury...doesn't f*cking matter.

 

[TheCatsMeow]

Sutton doesnt want to do what Martin wants, its pretty clear to see. 

Maybe Sutton, like the rest of us that have ever watched a minute of basketball have no freaking clue what Frank Martin is trying to accomplish?

"Play defense."  

"Okay we get that part coach, now what?"

"I said PLAY DEFENSE."

Well thats easy to say when you actually have no clue what Frank is saying to Dom.  I really could care less what you think of Franks offense but with this team and talent its just not there.  I like the firey nature, I like the Bob Knight toughness to him but we need to see some results.  Like i said earlier i will wait till the end of next season.

[WavetheWheat]

yeah dude, it's that simple.

I've watched crappy basketball teams for 13 years now, and they all have one thing in common. TERRIBLE PLAYERS. Wooldridge, Martin, Huggins, Asbury...doesn't f*cking matter.

 

How was Nebraska's talent today?  I would guess that K-State had the "talent" edge today.  

Also, I misquoted Frank above.  Its really

Play some F&ck*ing DEFENSE!

[sonofdaxjones]

It's nutty I know, but typically your less talented teams need more of an offensive structure.

Frank essentially has . . . NONE.

In addition your less talented teams need more game planning and concentration on getting off to a good start in games.   Either Frank doesn't do that at all, or the team has no clue as to what the hell he is talking about.

But I am   at the Martinites getting all defensive and saying that they expected this and how everybody has K-State all overrated.   Nobody expected K-State to win the Big 12 this year that I know of, most people expected nothing better than the NIT . . . but I don't know one person who also expected K-State to look like a bunch of clueless asshats out there who would get absolutely clowned at Lincoln Nebraska either.  

It's pretty clear that as of right now Frank Martin doesn't have an effing clue on how to get this team prepared to play any semblance of Big 12 basketball.

[TheCatsMeow]

yeah dude, it's that simple.

I've watched crappy basketball teams for 13 years now, and they all have one thing in common. TERRIBLE PLAYERS. Wooldridge, Martin, Huggins, Asbury...doesn't f*cking matter.

 

How was Nebraska's talent today?  I would guess.  That K-State had the "talent" edge today.  

How would you compare KSU and KSU talent?  16 points better?  They are young and trying to hard to play like UNC.

[fatty fat fat]

It's nutty I know, but typically your less talented teams need more of an offensive structure.

Frank essentially has . . . NONE.

In addition your less talented teams need more game planning and concentration on getting off to a good start in games.   Either Frank doesn't do that at all, or the team has no clue as to what the hell he is talking about.

it's absurd how dumb you are. Jim Wooldridge went six years where his best record in conference play was 6-10. I guess he couldn't "Design an offensive structure for a less talented team" either.

again, we lost 70% of our scoring from a bubble NCAA team. Why the f*ck are you melting down?

maybe some day you'll realize it's impossible to design an offensive structure for a team w/sh*tty players. Unfortunately for this message board, you probably won't.

[TheCatsMeow]

It's nutty I know, but typically your less talented teams need more of an offensive structure.

Frank essentially has . . . NONE.

In addition your less talented teams need more game planning and concentration on getting off to a good start in games.   Either Frank doesn't do that at all, or the team has no clue as to what the hell he is talking about.

But I am   at the Martinites getting all defensive and saying that they expected this and how everybody has K-State all overrated.   Nobody expected K-State to win the Big 12 this year that I know of, most people expected nothing better than the NIT . . . but I don't know one person who also expected K-State to look like a bunch of clueless asshats out there who would get absolutely clowned at Lincoln Nebraska either.  

It's pretty clear that as of right now Frank Martin doesn't have an effing clue on how to get this team prepared to play any semblance of Big 12 basketball.

Do you think this has anything to do with the teams experience or their youth?  Just asking for a serious answer.

[sonofdaxjones]

It's nutty I know, but typically your less talented teams need more of an offensive structure.

Frank essentially has . . . NONE.

In addition your less talented teams need more game planning and concentration on getting off to a good start in games.   Either Frank doesn't do that at all, or the team has no clue as to what the hell he is talking about.

it's absurd how dumb you are. Jim Wooldridge went six years where his best record in conference play was 6-10. I guess he couldn't "Design an offensive structure for a less talented team" either.

again, we lost 70% of our scoring from a bubble NCAA team. Why the f*ck are you melting down?

  at Chekksucat.

Stick to Tigerboard  

But yeah, I get your point Chekksucat . . . the absolutely NO offensive structure that Frank uses right now is working great.  

[Legore]

The talent argument would make more sense is we didn't just get torched by a walk on white kid and a 5'7" kid.  We also got beat by Oregon who is 0-5 in the Pac 10 and 6-11 overall and Iowa who is 1-3 in the big 10.  Better players would help obviously but at some point you have to do more then just try and out talent people.  IMO we've had a talent advantage in 3 of the 6 games we've lost so far.  In the big 12 this year most of the teams are pretty similar in talent level and most games are going to come down to coaching and execution.  It's going to be a long year based on the level of coaching and execution I saw tonight.

[geezer]

It's nutty I know, but typically your less talented teams need more of an offensive structure.

Frank essentially has . . . NONE.

In addition your less talented teams need more game planning and concentration on getting off to a good start in games.   Either Frank doesn't do that at all, or the team has no clue as to what the hell he is talking about.

But I am   at the Martinites getting all defensive and saying that they expected this and how everybody has K-State all overrated.   Nobody expected K-State to win the Big 12 this year that I know of, most people expected nothing better than the NIT . . . but I don't know one person who also expected K-State to look like a bunch of clueless asshats out there who would get absolutely clowned at Lincoln Nebraska either.  

It's pretty clear that as of right now Frank Martin doesn't have an effing clue on how to get this team prepared to play any semblance of Big 12 basketball.

After all these years something we agree on.