Martinites vs Woolites . . .

[steve dave]

Dax, I don't think you understan what   means.  For example, the GPC board is 100% jam packed with people saying the exact thing you are saying in this thread.  That would seem to indicate your usage of   is incorrect and, in fact, the polar opposite of what it actually means.  

[mcmwcat]

mcm . . . since you don't have anything real to add, at least make sure you vote in the poll.

Thanks . . . and you're a fine . . .   

 sodj never

[ksu_FAN]

dax has always had the best meltdowns.  

Extreme . . .  

I especially love it when you get into "damn right I'm going to get in the last post in this thread" mode.  

[michigancat]

Sure, it appears to be coming.

Why even have the coaches on the sidelines during games?? Or even have them show up at practice . . . if you get what "appears" to be top talent, that's all you need.  Screw an actual offense or getting the team ready to play.

all coaches at the D1 level are about equal at "running offense" and getting teams "ready to play" (w/ very few exceptions).  Some are just better recruiters than others.

[cireksu]

Frank martin needs to coach our guards to stop turning the ball over better.  That's my only complaint.  I wonder if they work on that?

[sonofdaxjones]

Dax, I don't think you understan what   means.  For example, the GPC board is 100% jam packed with people saying the exact thing you are saying in this thread.  That would seem to indicate your usage of   is incorrect and, in fact, the polar opposite of what it actually means.  

Sure I understand . . . and it's extreme powertard almost extreme Woolite the way some on here will not and cannot tolerate any questioning of what Frank is trying or not trying to do.

But hey, lets just all quit talking about Frank and understand if he's only gotten Sessions things would be totally different.  

An actual offense is for losers.

[steve dave]

Frank martin needs to coach our guards to stop turning the ball over better.  That's my only complaint.  I wonder if they work on that?

Should coach'em up to f^cking nail it from 3 imo

[steve dave]

Dax, I don't think you understan what   means.  For example, the GPC board is 100% jam packed with people saying the exact thing you are saying in this thread.  That would seem to indicate your usage of   is incorrect and, in fact, the polar opposite of what it actually means.  

Sure I understand . . . and it's extreme powertard almost extreme Woolite the way some on here will not and cannot tolerate any questioning of what Frank is trying or not trying to do.

But hey, lets just all quit talking about Frank and understand if he's only gotten Sessions things would be totally different.  

An actual offense is for losers.

OK

[doom]

I think Frank is not going to end up like Woolite did with no result to defend himself with.  That being said, he could lose every game from here on out and he's still my f-ing hero.  

[michigancat]

who is sessions?



Love the "real offense" talking point, though.  

[steve dave]

who is sessions?

Does it matter?

[mcmwcat]

who is sessions?



Love the "real offense" talking point, though.  

frank needs to run the wildcat offense imo

[sonofdaxjones]

Well Rusty, please explain what K-State does on the offensive end of the court . . . can anyone actually describe that without pulling out some Dana Altman at K-State game film??

Oh, and I meant Witherspoon (sp??) or KK, don't know where I got Sessions.

[greasd up deaf guy]

 

These are the kind of threads people get disassociated over.

[sonofdaxjones]

These are the kind of threads people get disassociated over.

I don't think the BK regime is as concerned about the Interwebs as TW was.

[michigancat]

Well Rusty, please explain what K-State does on the offensive end of the court . . . can anyone actually describe that without pulling out some Dana Altman at K-State game film??

When they don't turn the ball over, they usually get decent looks.  The bigs got the ball in great position A LOT last night, and scored over a point per possession, which is pretty decent, especially against Kansas.  Just had too many turnovers which led to too many ku transition points.

What did you see that you didn't like from your suite at the RBC Center?

[sonofdaxjones]

In hearing my friend describe the game before I got a chance to watch it, I would've thought K-State had 30 turnovers, they had 13.

[greasd up deaf guy]

Huggs' substitution patterns were as weird as Martin's. His offense was also LOL'able.

[ksu_FAN]

Well Rusty, please explain what K-State does on the offensive end of the court . . . can anyone actually describe that without pulling out some Dana Altman at K-State game film??

Oh, and I meant Witherspoon (sp??) or KK, don't know where I got Sessions.

We are trying to run a ball screen offense for Clemente/Pullen and when that doesn't work we go to a sort of motion.  I'm not going to disagree with the fact that Frank is not a genius when it comes to halfcourt offense, but then again I don't expect him to be.  I'm much more ticked that he hasn't found ways to get this team into more transition opportunities, but then again when you don't play defense and the other team makes nearly 60% of their shots, that's hard to do. 

Clearly, Frank is a primary contributor to an aweful 30 minute stretch (or) so of basketball that we saw across the last two ball games, but I don't think the players have been real great at executing the gameplan either.  I thought Frank made some nice adjustments last night, unfortunately it was after the thing was nearly already over.  And the inability to adjust to OU's half court trap was pretty poor for all parties involved.  But to me this isn't the time to get real upset; if we go to Lincoln and have some of the same issues against a team that is much more equal to us in talent, then I'll probably have something more to say.  Right now, not really.

[sonofdaxjones]

Well Rusty, please explain what K-State does on the offensive end of the court . . . can anyone actually describe that without pulling out some Dana Altman at K-State game film??

Oh, and I meant Witherspoon (sp??) or KK, don't know where I got Sessions.

We are trying to run a ball screen offense for Clemente/Pullen and when that doesn't work we go to a sort of motion.  I'm not going to disagree with the fact that Frank is not a genius when it comes to halfcourt offense, but then again I don't expect him to be.  I'm much more ticked that he hasn't found ways to get this team into more transition opportunities, but then again when you don't play defense and the other team makes nearly 60% of their shots, that's hard to do. 

Clearly, Frank is a primary contributor to an aweful 30 minute stretch (or) so of basketball that we saw across the last two ball games, but I don't think the players have been real great at executing the gameplan either.  I thought Frank made some nice adjustments last night, unfortunately it was after the thing was nearly already over.  And the inability to adjust to OU's half court trap was pretty poor for all parties involved.  But to me this isn't the time to get real upset; if we go to Lincoln and have some of the same issues against a team that is much more equal to us in talent, then I'll probably have something more to say.  Right now, not really.

Ok . . . and I agree, Frank keeps talking about pushing the ball.  Well it's primarily Clemente totally out of control pushing the ball . . . hell any team can find some really fast guy on the dribble to run up and down the court.  How about an actual transition game . . . you know, spacing, secondary break all that kind of stuff, not just running down the floor like your hair is on fire.

[greasd up deaf guy]

My WTF with Martin last night was when he said it was his fault that they weren't prepared to defend ball screens. Something to the effect of "they don't do that very often". Am I missing something or isn't that a gigantic part of what they do every game?

[ksu_FAN]

Well Rusty, please explain what K-State does on the offensive end of the court . . . can anyone actually describe that without pulling out some Dana Altman at K-State game film??

Oh, and I meant Witherspoon (sp??) or KK, don't know where I got Sessions.

We are trying to run a ball screen offense for Clemente/Pullen and when that doesn't work we go to a sort of motion.  I'm not going to disagree with the fact that Frank is not a genius when it comes to halfcourt offense, but then again I don't expect him to be.  I'm much more ticked that he hasn't found ways to get this team into more transition opportunities, but then again when you don't play defense and the other team makes nearly 60% of their shots, that's hard to do. 

Clearly, Frank is a primary contributor to an aweful 30 minute stretch (or) so of basketball that we saw across the last two ball games, but I don't think the players have been real great at executing the gameplan either.  I thought Frank made some nice adjustments last night, unfortunately it was after the thing was nearly already over.  And the inability to adjust to OU's half court trap was pretty poor for all parties involved.  But to me this isn't the time to get real upset; if we go to Lincoln and have some of the same issues against a team that is much more equal to us in talent, then I'll probably have something more to say.  Right now, not really.

Ok . . . and I agree, Frank keeps talking about pushing the ball.  Well it's primarily Clemente totally out of control pushing the ball . . . hell any team can find some really fast guy on the dribble to run up and down the court.  How about an actual transition game . . . you know, spacing, secondary break all that kind of stuff, not just running down the floor like your hair is on fire.

That's fair.  Clemente's decision making on when to attack and when to get into some secondary stuff is questionable at best. 

[michigancat]

they run a secondary break, and got a few looks out of it.  I'd actually prefer more clemente hair on fire drives to the secondary break.  

The lack of transition offense is prob. my biggest beef.

[Skycat]

I wish Clemente could learn to draw contact when he does attack.  He's got guys on their heels, but then he lets them off the hook by fading away from the defender instead of getting into their chest.

[ltrain37]

In hearing my friend describe the game before I got a chance to watch it, I would've thought K-State had 30 turnovers, they had 13.

The quantity of turnovers probably wasn't all that bad...but it seemed like half of them happened in the first 5 minutes way out on the point...led to too many transition baskets early on.  I could accept turnovers if we were cutting and screening and trying to get the ball inside...but we couldn't even make a pass out on the wing to start the game.

[sonofdaxjones]

Well ok . . . I think we've got this all settled.  

 

Oh and ltrain . . . guys on the team are talking about not being prepared to play . . . seriously that's a major WTF.

[ksu_FAN]

In hearing my friend describe the game before I got a chance to watch it, I would've thought K-State had 30 turnovers, they had 13.

The quantity of turnovers probably wasn't all that bad...but it seemed like half of them happened in the first 5 minutes way out on the point...led to too many transition baskets early on.  I could accept turnovers if we were cutting and screening and trying to get the ball inside...but we couldn't even make a pass out on the wing to start the game.

9 TO in the first 11 minutes*.

I don't want to make about being prepared b/c this was pretty much the opposite of the OU game where we were very prepared and then couldn't adjust.  In Lawrence we looked like it was our first time on the floor, then made some nice adjustments.  So there's not really a trend here, I need to see more to make a judgement on that.  Its just magnified b/c we played ku.

*What the heck is wrong with our SI department?  No play by play stats for our home games is unacceptable.

[catdude33]

I am going to be an unbelievablely staunch Martinite.

[Chingon]

I am still  about playing Colon with 4 fouls.  High school type coaching move.  Can't add I guess.

LOL

[cireksu]

I am still  about playing Colon with 4 fouls.  High school type coaching move.  Can't add I guess.

LOL

did you want kent out there?   Did you want to sit him hoping we could make a comeback and bring him back in when we are down 1 and did you want LU taking the last shot?