Utah Recruiting Rankings . . .

[sonofdaxjones]

How is making a simple comment dumb Chek . . . look, I know you're all pissed because it's 10:30 on a Friday night, and you're on here, but go take that out on Tigerboard.

Because it's been addressed in this thread over and over, you tard.

Really, we talked about Alabama's recruiting on here??

OC . . . you and chekksucat can spoon each other now.

[fatty fat fat]

How is making a simple comment dumb Chek . . . look, I know you're all pissed because it's 10:30 on a Friday night, and you're on here, but go take that out on Tigerboard.

Because it's been addressed in this thread over and over, you tard.

Really, we talked about Alabama's recruiting on here??

OC . . . you and chekksucat can spoon each other now.

No, we've talked about how idiotic rivals recruiting rankings can be sometimes.

[Chingon]

While I loooove seeing Bama lose, is this board gonna crow every time an underdog wins about recruiting stars?

Cuz THIS GAME means ZERO when it comes to KSU's future.

[Oklahoma_Cat]

How is making a simple comment dumb Chek . . . look, I know you're all pissed because it's 10:30 on a Friday night, and you're on here, but go take that out on Tigerboard.

Because it's been addressed in this thread over and over, you tard.

Really, we talked about Alabama's recruiting on here??

OC . . . you and chekksucat can spoon each other now.

's ok, bra.  Go rub one out, man...you'll feel better.  Calm the nerves, ya know?

[sonofdaxjones]

How is making a simple comment dumb Chek . . . look, I know you're all pissed because it's 10:30 on a Friday night, and you're on here, but go take that out on Tigerboard.

Because it's been addressed in this thread over and over, you tard.

Really, we talked about Alabama's recruiting on here??

OC . . . you and chekksucat can spoon each other now.

No, we've talked about how idiotic rivals recruiting rankings can be sometimes.

So, Alabama's classes weren't worthy of those rankings??

Essentially those classes culminated in an undefeated regular season this year.

Super response there OC . . . .

[catzacker]

are we arguing about whether one team can beat another team in football regardless of their rivals rankings?  I mean, KSU beat UT....back to back years....WTF did that prove?

[sonofdaxjones]

While I loooove seeing Bama lose, is this board gonna crow every time an underdog wins about recruiting stars?

Cuz THIS GAME means ZERO when it comes to KSU's future.

Thanks Captain Obvious.  

But somehow UTAH can live in the 50's and 60's in recruiting rankings, and win conference titles, win 2 BCS bowls in 5 years, and win 8 consecutive bowls.  

Bottom line is . . . if you've got ballers and a good system, recruiting rankings and stars are irrelevant.

[Pete]

are we arguing about whether one team can beat another team in football regardless of their rivals rankings?  I mean, KSU beat UT....back to back years....WTF did that prove?

Is there another word for "QFT" that is like, stronger or more emphatic?  'Cause I want to use it here.  Ron's owernship of Mac Brown got us slightly less than ku's Orange Bowl victory.

[Chingon]

While I loooove seeing Bama lose, is this board gonna crow every time an underdog wins about recruiting stars?

Cuz THIS GAME means ZERO when it comes to KSU's future.

Thanks Captain Obvious.  

But somehow UTAH can live in the 50's and 60's in recruiting rankings, and win conference titles, win 2 BCS bowls in 5 years, and win 8 consecutive bowls.  

Bottom line is . . . if you've got ballers and a good system, recruiting rankings and stars are irrelevant.

Bully for Utah, but show me a BCS school that has done the same. (Last I checked KSU was a BCS school)

[cireksu]

While I loooove seeing Bama lose, is this board gonna crow every time an underdog wins about recruiting stars?

Cuz THIS GAME means ZERO when it comes to KSU's future.

Thanks Captain Obvious.  

But somehow UTAH can live in the 50's and 60's in recruiting rankings, and win conference titles, win 2 BCS bowls in 5 years, and win 8 consecutive bowls.  

Bottom line is . . . if you've got ballers and a good system, recruiting rankings and stars are irrelevant.

Bully for Utah, but show me a BCS school that has done the same. (Last I checked KSU was a BCS school)

Boise st. vs OU?

[PoetWarrior]

Just wanted to say Hi to all posting in this thread.

 

[Chingon]

While I loooove seeing Bama lose, is this board gonna crow every time an underdog wins about recruiting stars?

Cuz THIS GAME means ZERO when it comes to KSU's future.

Thanks Captain Obvious.  

But somehow UTAH can live in the 50's and 60's in recruiting rankings, and win conference titles, win 2 BCS bowls in 5 years, and win 8 consecutive bowls.  

Bottom line is . . . if you've got ballers and a good system, recruiting rankings and stars are irrelevant.

Bully for Utah, but show me a BCS school that has done the same. (Last I checked KSU was a BCS school)

Boise st. vs OU?

Not a BCS school.

[sonofdaxjones]

While I loooove seeing Bama lose, is this board gonna crow every time an underdog wins about recruiting stars?

Cuz THIS GAME means ZERO when it comes to KSU's future.

Thanks Captain Obvious.  

But somehow UTAH can live in the 50's and 60's in recruiting rankings, and win conference titles, win 2 BCS bowls in 5 years, and win 8 consecutive bowls.  

Bottom line is . . . if you've got ballers and a good system, recruiting rankings and stars are irrelevant.

Bully for Utah, but show me a BCS school that has done the same. (Last I checked KSU was a BCS school)

I don't think utah has anything to apologize for . . . they beat 2 good teams in conference, beat  Michigan, beat Oregon State, and just kicked Alabama's ass 7 ways from Sunday.  I think they'd more than hold their own in any BCS conference.

[CatGeek]

While I loooove seeing Bama lose, is this board gonna crow every time an underdog wins about recruiting stars?

Cuz THIS GAME means ZERO when it comes to KSU's future.

Ok, is this board going to whine every time a coach is hired that isn't an all-star recruiter?  Give me a break.

[Chingon]

While I loooove seeing Bama lose, is this board gonna crow every time an underdog wins about recruiting stars?

Cuz THIS GAME means ZERO when it comes to KSU's future.

Thanks Captain Obvious.  

But somehow UTAH can live in the 50's and 60's in recruiting rankings, and win conference titles, win 2 BCS bowls in 5 years, and win 8 consecutive bowls.  

Bottom line is . . . if you've got ballers and a good system, recruiting rankings and stars are irrelevant.

Bully for Utah, but show me a BCS school that has done the same. (Last I checked KSU was a BCS school)

I don't think utah has anything to apologize for . . . they beat 2 good teams in conference, wiped the field with Michigan, beat Oregon State, and just kicked Alabama's ass 7 ways from Sunday.  I think they'd more than hold their own in any BCS conference.

I agree, Utah did all they could.  But my point is that to date no BCS has shown then can use the recipe for success (50-60 ranked recruiting classes) that the Utahs and Boise's of the world can and expect that kind of results.

[sonofdaxjones]

Well, Barry Switzer said Bama wouldn't recruit any of Utah's guys, but I saw a lot of guys out there for Utah with the size and speed to play at a lot of good BCS schools.

[Chingon]

Well, Barry Switzer said Bama wouldn't recruit any of Utah's guys, but I saw a lot of guys out there for Utah with the size and speed to play at a lot of good BCS schools.

I bet they would, but if Bob Stoops, Nick Saban, or Mack Brown pulled in a 50th ranked recruiting class their ass would be gone.  And rightfully so.

K-State cannot be successful for the long term with 50-60th ranked recruiting classes.  That's my point. 

[fatty fat fat]

Well, Barry Switzer said Bama wouldn't recruit any of Utah's guys, but I saw a lot of guys out there for Utah with the size and speed to play at a lot of good BCS schools.

I bet they would, but if Bob Stoops, Nick Saban, or Mack Brown pulled in a 50th ranked recruiting class their ass would be gone.  And rightfully so.

K-State cannot be successful for the long term with 50-60th ranked recruiting classes.  That's my point. 

Yes we can. As long as they are good players. Dude, rivals isn't always right. There is a correlation (a very good one) but it's not exact.

Anyone watching this game that concludes alabama is way more talented than utah is retarded.

[sonofdaxjones]

Well, Barry Switzer said Bama wouldn't recruit any of Utah's guys, but I saw a lot of guys out there for Utah with the size and speed to play at a lot of good BCS schools.

I bet they would, but if Bob Stoops, Nick Saban, or Mack Brown pulled in a 50th ranked recruiting class their ass would be gone.  And rightfully so.

K-State cannot be successful for the long term with 50-60th ranked recruiting classes.  That's my point. 

50th-60th rankings by Rivals . . . who clearly knows what they're talking about all the time.   Of course you're talking about the elite of the elite recruiting.  

Yet coaches who earn a combined $10.5 million a year, have lost BCS bowls to Utah and Boise State.

Again, it's quite clear rivals really doesn't know $hit when it gets right down to it.

[Oklahoma_Cat]

Someone do some research and find the average recruiting class ranks for the past 10 national champions.

Willing to bet it's top 10-15.  Arguing that a top recruiting class doesn't matter is retarded.

[Chingon]

Well, Barry Switzer said Bama wouldn't recruit any of Utah's guys, but I saw a lot of guys out there for Utah with the size and speed to play at a lot of good BCS schools.

I bet they would, but if Bob Stoops, Nick Saban, or Mack Brown pulled in a 50th ranked recruiting class their ass would be gone.  And rightfully so.

K-State cannot be successful for the long term with 50-60th ranked recruiting classes.  That's my point. 

Yes we can. As long as they are good players. Dude, rivals isn't always right. There is a correlation (a very good one) but it's not exact.

Anyone watching this game that concludes alabama is way more talented than utah is retarded.

Rivals isn't always right = very true.  That correlation is what is important.  If KSU has recruiting classes in the 50-60's AND kicks ass in a BCS conference our rectruiting evals will magically go up from Rivals and Scout even while recruiting he same kinds of players.  If five years from now our class is still lower than 50 I would be willing to bet KSU has been through some hard time (not proof positive, but it would be a bad indicator).

I know the case of Talent v Coaching is a hotly debated topic here, but IMHO no BCS to date has been able to have prolonged success with low-level recruiting [50s or lower] (be it Rivals or what not).

Alabama is not WAY more talented than Utah (which shows the flaw of Rivals don't get me started on that...), but neither are they WAY better coached up or run a WAY better scheme.

[thefridge]

....and Del did just f'ing wonders for Dylan Meier.  

In defense of Del's ability to develop players, dylan meier had no chance in hell of being a good big 12 quarterback. this was just dumb recruiting, which is another issue  

[Chingon]

Well, Barry Switzer said Bama wouldn't recruit any of Utah's guys, but I saw a lot of guys out there for Utah with the size and speed to play at a lot of good BCS schools.

I bet they would, but if Bob Stoops, Nick Saban, or Mack Brown pulled in a 50th ranked recruiting class their ass would be gone.  And rightfully so.

K-State cannot be successful for the long term with 50-60th ranked recruiting classes.  That's my point. 

50th-60th rankings by Rivals . . . who clearly knows what they're talking about all the time.   Of course you're talking about the elite of the elite recruiting.  

Yet coaches who earn a combined $10.5 million a year, have lost BCS bowls to Utah and Boise State.

Again, it's quite clear rivals really doesn't know $hit when it gets right down to it.

I am no Rivals apologist, never have been, they way over value certain school recruits when they show interest.  

Upsets happen, I just don't read anymore into it than that.  We beat Texas coming off of a Nat'l Championship two years in a row with what we all now call crapty players and terrible coaches.   I don't think Texas is going to change its recruiting practices due to that and neither will Alabama or OU.  

[sonofdaxjones]

The last 10 National Champions were also all coached by idiots.   

But LOLer's ...  I am talking about getting K-State back to Big 12 contention, and just playing good solid football, and some of you are talking National Titles. 

Come on, you'd give your left nut (provide you have one) to go 13-0 and to have rolled Nick Saban and 12-1 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl and beat 3 other Top 25 teams along the way . . . National Title or not.

Again . . . Big 12 contention, and good solid football doesn't mean you have to have 4 and 5 star recruits at every position . . . I'll agree with ChekKsuCat here . . . lets get good football players who want to work hard and become better and then see what happens.  That wasn't DM's on the field for Utah, that was a team that reminded me a lot of many DOD teams.  Athletic QB, well coached team, size and speed, and they hit people . . . No Ron Prince and the flying Tibesar brothers out there tonight for Utah. . . . and not a 5 star recruit to be found amongst the whole group.   

[Ezah Miester]

well, they've obviously recruited better than that.

I don't know that it's obvious.  What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU? 

There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting.  This site is like a broken record sometimes. 

Of course it's obvious. Utah is loaded with great players. Rivals has completely f*cked up their rankings.

Agree on the first part.

The question is:

-Did rivals really mess up and these where studs outta high school
-Or did these great players develop into great players in college

I would bet #2. Not necessarily being "coached up," but recruiting players that you can "mold" into good college players can't be measured. These kid's obviously didn't dominate in high school the way Julio Jones did, but they've improved drastically since coming to college and being coached and working hard for 3 or 4 years.
 

[The Nasti]

well, they've obviously recruited better than that.

I don't know that it's obvious.  What was Boise State's recruiting rankings when they beat OU? 

There is a hell of a lot more to fielding a competitive football team than recruiting.  This site is like a broken record sometimes. 

Of course it's obvious. Utah is loaded with great players. Rivals has completely f*cked up their rankings.

Agree on the first part.

The question is:

-Did rivals really mess up and these where studs outta high school
-Or did these great players develop into great players in college

I would bet #2. Not necessarily being "coached up," but recruiting players that you can "mold" into good college players can't be measured. These kid's obviously didn't dominate in high school the way Julio Jones did, but they've improved drastically since coming to college and being coached and working hard for 3 or 4 years.
 

Finally some sanity in this thread...

1 - Of course, Rivals rankings are going to not be 100% correct and some 4 star guys will end up being worse than some 2 stars...

2 - The quantitative measures that they use to rank players are not infallible (see Jason Bennett). Rivals cannot take into account how hard a kid is going to work nor how well he will fit into the college system he is entering.

3 - Rivals measures get inflated once a Florida or Alabama starts recruiting a kid, so you have to keep that in mind as well.

4 - That being said, recruiting matters immensely, look what happened at Bama so quickly, but there are plenty of schools, such as the Utes, that do consistently well with less. KSU must do what the Utah's of the world do because at this point they are not going to walk into the homes of Julio Jones, etc. etc. and have a chance. Win some games, then maybe.

[BMWJhawk]

Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything. 

Only when trying to diminish a ku commitment.  Let's not forget the Dezmon Briscoe vs. Lamark Brown clownsuit thread.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything. 

Only when trying to diminish a ku commitment.  Let's not forget the Dezmon Briscoe vs. Lamark Brown clownsuit thread.

And Ben chimes in with loser randomness . . . again.

[cas]

Yep, but I thought rankings and stars told us everything. 

Only when trying to diminish a ku commitment.  Let's not forget the Dezmon Briscoe vs. Lamark Brown clownsuit thread.

Oh man. Forgot about that one.

[sonofdaxjones]

I know that Ben (and likely Dumbass DocNaismith) probably have that thread cut, pasted, and stored someplace . . . but did I diminish Briscoe in that thread??  As I recall, I only said something about Brown needing a chance to develop . . . oh well.