Thoughts on the Marshall Game

[plaincat]

Can anyone name a QB that failed to lead his team to an offensive touchdown against a I-AA opponent and led his team to a bowl game?

Zac Taylor

Cory Ross scored a rushing TD.

Yes, he did.  Is this what you consider "leading a team to an offensive touchdown?"  Or do you just not want to lose the argument?

1st and 10 at UM 30   Ron Whitcomb sacked by Jay Moore and Bo Ruud at the MMA 24 for a loss of 6 yards.   0   3
2nd and 16 at UM 24   MAINE PENALTY 5 yard delay of game ACCEPTED.       
2nd and 21 at UM 19   Ron Whitcomb sacked by Ty Steinkuhler and Kevin Smith at the MMA 10 for a loss of 9 yards.       
3rd and 30 at UM 10   Timeout NEBRASKA, clock 03:55.       
3rd and 30 at UM 10   Chris Legree rush for 3 yards to the MMA 13.       
4th and 27 at UM 13   Rocco Navarro punt for 50 yards, returned by Terrence Nunn for 62 yards to the MMA 1.       
DRIVE TOTALS: Maine drive: 3 plays -17 yards, 01:31 Maine PUNT
Nebraska at 2:46   UM   NEB
1st and Goal at UM 1   Cory Ross rush for 1 yard for a TOUCHDOWN.   0   9
    Jordan Congdon extra point MISSED.       
    Jordan Congdon kickoff for 50 yards returned by Arel Gordon for no gain to the MMA 15.

If Yamon would have stepped out at the one I guess you would be quite pleased with Meier's performance.

[fatty fat fat]

Dylan Meier is on par with Brian Kavannah, K-State 96.  Meier was probably a notch above pre-injury, but that seems to be about what he is now.  In fact, this team looks like it could be a lot like that one (though the defense for that team was better), that team just had the fortune of playing in a pretty bad league and no opponents of Louisville's caliber in the OOC.  If Meier can have a season on par with what Kavannah did that year and we can continue to get solid defense and special teams play, we'll go bowling.

Honesty, I hate it when people say the conference sucked when we were going 6-2 in league play year after year

Hell, CU and NU were two top 10 teams. BYU finished in the top 5. AtM wasn't bad either.

[michigancat]

Can anyone name a QB that failed to lead his team to an offensive touchdown against a I-AA opponent and led his team to a bowl game?

Zac Taylor

Cory Ross scored a rushing TD.

Yes, he did.  Is this what you consider "leading a team to an offensive touchdown?"  Or do you just not want to lose the argument?

1st and 10 at UM 30   Ron Whitcomb sacked by Jay Moore and Bo Ruud at the MMA 24 for a loss of 6 yards.   0   3
2nd and 16 at UM 24   MAINE PENALTY 5 yard delay of game ACCEPTED.       
2nd and 21 at UM 19   Ron Whitcomb sacked by Ty Steinkuhler and Kevin Smith at the MMA 10 for a loss of 9 yards.       
3rd and 30 at UM 10   Timeout NEBRASKA, clock 03:55.       
3rd and 30 at UM 10   Chris Legree rush for 3 yards to the MMA 13.       
4th and 27 at UM 13   Rocco Navarro punt for 50 yards, returned by Terrence Nunn for 62 yards to the MMA 1.       
DRIVE TOTALS: Maine drive: 3 plays -17 yards, 01:31 Maine PUNT
Nebraska at 2:46   UM   NEB
1st and Goal at UM 1   Cory Ross rush for 1 yard for a TOUCHDOWN.   0   9
    Jordan Congdon extra point MISSED.       
    Jordan Congdon kickoff for 50 yards returned by Arel Gordon for no gain to the MMA 15.

You win.  Congrats.

EDIT:  j/k.  You don't win.  Taylor was an exception.  How many others did the same thing?

[chum1]

Dylan isn't Trent Dilfer, if he were we'd be thinking "Big XII Championship" right now rather than "we might win 6".

Dude, give it up. This team just isn't that good. So far we've exceeded expectations, the defense and special teams have been pleasant surprises and we might actually have a shot at beating Lousieville.

Why the &*$@! are you so worried about Meier? He is what he is, there is not a good reason to run Freeman out there IMHO and I don't really see what the other options are. I guess we could dissect and debate exactly how good he is, but what's the &*$@!ing point? There is literally NO alternative.

The Meier situation is frustrating precisely because the rest of the team has looked pretty decent.  If we had a decent quarterback, we would be a much better team.  Meier is a serious weak link.  Why not bitch about it?  That there is no alternative to Meier just gives us even more reason to bitch.

[plaincat]

You win.  Congrats.

EDIT:  j/k.  You don't win.  Taylor was an exception.

I was so close.

[fatty fat fat]

Meier is a decent QB.

Chum, how would you rate the big 12 qbs?

[plaincat]

The Meier situation is frustrating precisely because the rest of the team has looked pretty decent.  If we had a decent quarterback, we would be a much better team.  Meier is a serious weak link.  Why not bitch about it?  That there is no alternative to Meier just gives us even more reason to bitch.

Do you understand that we have played three games against teams that are supposed to have inferior talent and we have rushed (as a team) for more than 100 yards exactly one time?

[chum1]

Meier is a decent QB.

Chum, how would you rate the big 12 qbs?

I don't have a clue how the conference QBs should be rated.  There are a lot of bad ones.  That's for sure.  It's also very frustrating not to be good in a league that is so lousy.

[fatty fat fat]

Meier is a decent QB.

Chum, how would you rate the big 12 qbs?

I don't have a clue how the conference QBs should be rated.  There are a lot of bad ones.  That's for sure.  It's also very frustrating not to be good in a league that is so lousy.

Thanks. 

Look at other quarterbacks, Meier is "decent" compared to them.

 

[chum1]

Do you understand that we have played three games against teams that are supposed to have inferior talent and we have rushed (as a team) for more than 100 yards exactly one time?

Another indictment of Meier.  The pass should set up the run.

[michigancat]

Meier is a decent QB.

Chum, how would you rate the big 12 qbs?

I don't have a clue how the conference QBs should be rated.  There are a lot of bad ones.  That's for sure.  It's also very frustrating not to be good in a league that is so lousy.

Thanks. 

Look at other quarterbacks, Meier is "decent" compared to them.

 

PASS EFFICIENCY         Team Cl  G Att Cmp Int  Pct.  Yds TD  Eff.
 ------------------------------------------------------------------
 1. Reid,Bobby.......... OSU  SO  3  51  28   3  54.9  518  7 173.7
 2. Taylor, Zac......... NU   SR  3  72  49   1  68.1  604  7 167.8
 3. McCoy, Colt......... UT   FR  3  59  38   1  64.4  456  6 159.5
 4. McGee, Stephen...... TAMU SO  3  62  43   0  69.4  502  3 153.3
 5. Daniel, Chase....... MU   SO  3 108  72   1  66.7  762  7 145.5
 6. Thompson, Paul...... OU   SR  3  80  48   3  60.0  673  5 143.8
 7. Meyer,Bret.......... ISU  JR  3  77  46   1  59.7  589  3 134.3
 8. Harrell, Graham..... TTU  SO  3 148  97   2  65.5  922  7 130.8
 9. Bell, Shawn......... BU   SR  3 136  87   4  64.0  830  6 123.9
 10.Meier, Dylan........ KSU  SR  3  81  44   3  54.3  544  3 115.6

I think saying Dylan is the 10th best starting QB in the B12 is fair.

[chum1]

Meier is a decent QB.

Chum, how would you rate the big 12 qbs?

I don't have a clue how the conference QBs should be rated. There are a lot of bad ones. That's for sure. It's also very frustrating not to be good in a league that is so lousy.

Thanks.

Look at other quarterbacks, Meier is "decent" compared to them.

 

I wasn't speaking in terms relative to the horrible Big XII conference.  I don't care if all of the conference QBs suck.  I want ours to be good.

[fatty fat fat]

Belch. That is pretty bad

[ksu_FAN]

Fatty, good point about 96.  The big thing is that I don't think there are as many "gimmees" now as there were then though.  ku, ISU, MU, and OSU were all pretty dreadful that year; all probably worse than any Big 12 team this year, and Cinci and Rice were probably both worse than Marshall.  Tech and aTm were pretty decent, and NU and CU were very good teams.  I do think this year's team could've made a run at 9-2 with that schedule though, and I think 7-5 is the ceiling for our current schedule.

Again, I don't think this year's defense was on par with that one, but I do think offensively and special teams wise these teams are pretty close.

[Skycat]

Dylan Meier is on par with Brian Kavannah, K-State 96.  Meier was probably a notch above pre-injury, but that seems to be about what he is now.  In fact, this team looks like it could be a lot like that one (though the defense for that team was better), that team just had the fortune of playing in a pretty bad league and no opponents of Louisville's caliber in the OOC.  If Meier can have a season on par with what Kavannah did that year and we can continue to get solid defense and special teams play, we'll go bowling.

I tried making the Kav comparison in another thread.  I think it's pretty spot on.

[plaincat]

Do you understand that we have played three games against teams that are supposed to have inferior talent and we have rushed (as a team) for more than 100 yards exactly one time?

Another indictment of Meier.  The pass should set up the run.

We should be able to line up a twelve year old at QB and run for at least 100 yards against I-AA opponents.

[michigancat]

Rushing offense - 9th:

RUSHING OFFENSE          G    Att   Yds   Avg  TD  Yds/G
--------------------------------------------------------
1. Texas...............  3    118   714   6.1   7  238.0
2. Texas A&M...........  3    125   671   5.4  12  223.7
   Missouri............  3    122   671   5.5   6  223.7
4. Oklahoma State......  3    128   647   5.1   9  215.7
5. Nebraska............  3    134   581   4.3   8  193.7
6. Oklahoma............  3    107   531   5.0   5  177.0
7. Kansas..............  3    111   518   4.7   6  172.7
8. Iowa State..........  3    114   467   4.1   7  155.7
9. Kansas State........  3     85   364   4.3   4  121.3
10.Colorado............  3    109   314   2.9   2  104.7
11.Texas Tech..........  3     56   279   5.0   2   93.0
12.Baylor..............  3     42    57   1.4   0   19.0

YPC isn't that bad.

[chum1]

Do you understand that we have played three games against teams that are supposed to have inferior talent and we have rushed (as a team) for more than 100 yards exactly one time?

Another indictment of Meier. The pass should set up the run.

We should be able to line up a twelve year old at QB and run for at least 100 yards against I-AA opponents.

I agree.  Our running game has the capacity to improve.  How many should we be able to throw for against a I-AA opponent?  Will Meier ever be the guy to do that?

[WildCatzPhreak]

I can't believe you all are arguing over Meier's mediocrity.

I want our QB to be good too, but if Meier played every game the way he played the last two, it'd be perfectly fine in my book.  What I'm really upset with is the running game.  It was non existant.  We have crappy blocking from the O-line and T-gun goes down too easily.  He never breaks free, but can occasionally power his way to an extra yard or two.  He's more like a fullback, IMO.

The blame belongs to our O-line.  But it'd be nice if we had a back who could break some tackles and get free more than once a game too.

Dylan is improving from game to game.  He overthrew the passes at the marshall game - but at least he wasn't overthrowing them.  What this says to me is he has recognized that he was underthrowing and put a little extra force behind his throws to make sure he didn't do that anymore.  Unfortunately, he was putting too much behind them at the Marshall game.  He needs to tone it down.  But at least he recognized that change was needed in how he was throwing the ball and is improving.

I'm still pissed at our line for their crappy runblocking, and our backs for never being able to get ANYTHING more than 2 yards.  We HAVE to have a running game for our offense to be succesful.

[WildCatzPhreak]

Rushing offense - 9th:

RUSHING OFFENSE          G    Att   Yds   Avg  TD  Yds/G
--------------------------------------------------------
1. Texas...............  3    118   714   6.1   7  238.0
2. Texas A&M...........  3    125   671   5.4  12  223.7
   Missouri............  3    122   671   5.5   6  223.7
4. Oklahoma State......  3    128   647   5.1   9  215.7
5. Nebraska............  3    134   581   4.3   8  193.7
6. Oklahoma............  3    107   531   5.0   5  177.0
7. Kansas..............  3    111   518   4.7   6  172.7
8. Iowa State..........  3    114   467   4.1   7  155.7
9. Kansas State........  3     85   364   4.3   4  121.3
10.Colorado............  3    109   314   2.9   2  104.7
11.Texas Tech..........  3     56   279   5.0   2   93.0
12.Baylor..............  3     42    57   1.4   0   19.0

YPC isn't that bad.

Considering that the only teams we are ahead of use the spread offense?  That's horrible.

[michigancat]

I can't believe you all are arguing over Meier's mediocrity.

I want our QB to be good too, but if Meier played every game the way he played the last two, it'd be perfectly fine in my book.  What I'm really upset with is the running game.  It was non existant.  We have crappy blocking from the O-line and T-gun goes down too easily.  He never breaks free, but can occasionally power his way to an extra yard or two.  He's more like a fullback, IMO.

The blame belongs to our O-line.  But it'd be nice if we had a back who could break some tackles and get free more than once a game too.

Dylan is improving from game to game.  He overthrew the passes at the marshall game - but at least he wasn't overthrowing them.  What this says to me is he has recognized that he was underthrowing and put a little extra force behind his throws to make sure he didn't do that anymore.  Unfortunately, he was putting too much behind them at the Marshall game.  He needs to tone it down.  But at least he recognized that change was needed in how he was throwing the ball and is improving.

I'm still pissed at our line for their crappy runblocking, and our backs for never being able to get ANYTHING more than 2 yards.  We HAVE to have a running game for our offense to be succesful.

We're 11th in pass efficiency...9th in rushing.  Also 9th in YPC.

Rushing offense - 9th:

RUSHING OFFENSE          G    Att   Yds   Avg  TD  Yds/G
--------------------------------------------------------
1. Texas...............  3    118   714   6.1   7  238.0
2. Texas A&M...........  3    125   671   5.4  12  223.7
   Missouri............  3    122   671   5.5   6  223.7
4. Oklahoma State......  3    128   647   5.1   9  215.7
5. Nebraska............  3    134   581   4.3   8  193.7
6. Oklahoma............  3    107   531   5.0   5  177.0
7. Kansas..............  3    111   518   4.7   6  172.7
8. Iowa State..........  3    114   467   4.1   7  155.7
9. Kansas State........  3     85   364   4.3   4  121.3
10.Colorado............  3    109   314   2.9   2  104.7
11.Texas Tech..........  3     56   279   5.0   2   93.0
12.Baylor..............  3     42    57   1.4   0   19.0

YPC isn't that bad.

Considering that the only teams we are ahead of use the spread offense?  That's horrible.

4.3 YPC is not horrible.