Thoughts on the Marshall Game

[AzCat]

If we make it to a bowl game this year, and right now I'd think that at worst there's a coin-flip chance that we will, it will be because of excellent play on defense and special teams.  The entire offense is a writeoff this year, starting with the QB.

[michigancat]

Can anyone name a QB that failed to lead his team to an offensive touchdown against a I-AA opponent and led his team to a bowl game?

[Fausto]

"He went 25-40 for 240 @Notre Dame the previous week."

Dylan Meier: 19-35 for 256 yards.  Both had 1 TD and 1 INT.

So, fun with numbers.

Yards per completion:
Henne: 9.6
Meier: 13.4

Yards per attempt:
Henne: 6 yards
Meier: 7.3

Yes, yes...I know.  Notre Dame vs. Marshall.  Sure, I'll give you that if you give me that Henne had a pretty good route runner by the name of Braylon Edwards account for half of his completions and more than half his yardage.  Heck, I would take 3-4 UM WRs that year above anyone currently on the Cats roster.  Quincy Morgan isn't suiting up in Purple in 2006.

[mjrod]

If we make it to a bowl game this year, and right now I'd think that at worst there's a coin-flip chance that we will, it will be because of excellent play on defense and special teams.  The entire offense is a writeoff this year, starting with the QB.

Amazing.   If we don't go to a bowl game, it's because of Dylan, and if we do, it won't be because of him.  Or even the offense.

[mjrod]

Reading defenses is reading defenses, hitting receivers is hitting receivers.  He's allegedly a bright kid, he shouldn't be having this much trouble being effective against inferior competition unless he just flat out sucks as a quarterback.  Don't get me wrong, I think he'd be a fine starting QB ... for Pitt State, Fort Hays or the like, but in the Big XII?  Give me a break.   

Yes, but so is being able to see down the field when you're not running for your life, and having protection to do so.

[michigancat]

"He went 25-40 for 240 @Notre Dame the previous week."

Dylan Meier: 19-35 for 256 yards.  Both had 1 TD and 1 INT.

So, fun with numbers.

Yards per completion:
Henne: 9.6
Meier: 13.4

Yards per attempt:
Henne: 6 yards
Meier: 7.3

Yes, yes...I know.  Notre Dame vs. Marshall.  Sure, I'll give you that if you give me that Henne had a pretty good route runner by the name of Braylon Edwards account for half of his completions and more than half his yardage.  Heck, I would take 3-4 UM WRs that year above anyone currently on the Cats roster.  Quincy Morgan isn't suiting up in Purple in 2006.

Not just vs. Notre Dame...at Notre Dame...as a TRUE FRESHMAN.  Also, don't act like Moreira and Nelson weren't making plays for Dylan.

Do you think Chad Henne as a frosh was worse than Dylan right now?

[mjrod]

"He went 25-40 for 240 @Notre Dame the previous week."

Dylan Meier: 19-35 for 256 yards.  Both had 1 TD and 1 INT.

So, fun with numbers.

Yards per completion:
Henne: 9.6
Meier: 13.4

Yards per attempt:
Henne: 6 yards
Meier: 7.3

Yes, yes...I know.  Notre Dame vs. Marshall.  Sure, I'll give you that if you give me that Henne had a pretty good route runner by the name of Braylon Edwards account for half of his completions and more than half his yardage.  Heck, I would take 3-4 UM WRs that year above anyone currently on the Cats roster.  Quincy Morgan isn't suiting up in Purple in 2006.

Not just vs. Notre Dame...at Notre Dame...as a TRUE FRESHMAN.  Also, don't act like Moreira and Nelson weren't making plays for Dylan.

Do you think Chad Henne as a frosh was worse than Dylan right now?

Both games, both QB's won their game.

And yet, one is still worse than the other.

[Fausto]

How is Henne's performance more masterful and/or "lighting it up" than Meier?  PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT.

Now back to your regularly scheduled excuse.

[michigancat]

"He went 25-40 for 240 @Notre Dame the previous week."

Dylan Meier: 19-35 for 256 yards.  Both had 1 TD and 1 INT.

So, fun with numbers.

Yards per completion:
Henne: 9.6
Meier: 13.4

Yards per attempt:
Henne: 6 yards
Meier: 7.3

Yes, yes...I know.  Notre Dame vs. Marshall.  Sure, I'll give you that if you give me that Henne had a pretty good route runner by the name of Braylon Edwards account for half of his completions and more than half his yardage.  Heck, I would take 3-4 UM WRs that year above anyone currently on the Cats roster.  Quincy Morgan isn't suiting up in Purple in 2006.

Not just vs. Notre Dame...at Notre Dame...as a TRUE FRESHMAN.  Also, don't act like Moreira and Nelson weren't making plays for Dylan.

Do you think Chad Henne as a frosh was worse than Dylan right now?

Both games, both QB's won their game.

And yet, one is still worse than the other.

Can anyone name a QB that failed to lead his team to an offensive touchdown against a I-AA opponent and led his team to a bowl game?

[AzCat]

MJ - That "running for his life" BS has gone by the wayside.  KSU is tied for 4th fewest sacks allowed in D-I with 0.67 per game.  Try to keep up and stop swinging from Dylan's nutsack, it's probably the only part of his body that's not injured already.  

[michigancat]

How is Henne's performance more masterful and/or "lighting it up" than Meier?  PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT.

Now back to your regularly scheduled excuse.

Is Meier better than Henne?

[mjrod]

MJ - That "running for his life" BS has gone by the wayside.  KSU is tied for 4th fewest sacks allowed in D-I with 0.67 per game.  Try to keep up and stop swinging from Dylan's nutsack, it's probably the only part of his body that's not injured already. 

That's the best you could come up with, some kind of retarded remark about his testicles?

Come on, man, he throws a lot out of the pocket and on the run, and the reason it is so low is because he does throw it before getting sacked.  And in many cases, there is a receiver there to catch it.  Yeah, he sometimes throws it at their shoelaces, or over their heads, but that says he's not going to take the sack.  Pretty smart play, I would think.

 

[Fausto]

Look Rusty, if you won't answer the questions just say you WON'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.

[mjrod]

How is Henne's performance more masterful and/or "lighting it up" than Meier?  PLEASE EXPLAIN THAT.

Now back to your regularly scheduled excuse.

Is Meier better than Henne?

Henne is in his third year in his system.  Meier is in his first.   I think it's pretty obvious how it all looks.

[AzCat]

MJ - fact is that many college QBs are able to effectively deliver the ball in the time Dylan has.  Do you think KSU is the only team in the college game that occasionally moves the pocket or rolls their QB out.  Nice try with the straw man but no dice, KSU does nothing that every other college team doesn't do and Dylan doesn't deliver catchable balls as often as most D-I QBs do.  He's just subpar.

If you want to try another angle, try this one: KSU is #98 in passing efficiency against Marshall (#72 in pass efficiency D), Florida Atlantic (#86 in pass efficiency D), and I-AA Illinois State, all of whom have greatly inflated their defensive stats against our offense (in other words they're actually worse than their rankings indicate).  It's sad that you're defending this.

[mjrod]

Fact is, few if any college QB's go from one system to another and manage to grasp it quickly.

Check out NU's QB Joe Dailey.  He had a real good time grasping a Nebraska option system to the West Coast didn't he?

[AzCat]

Dylan "China Doll" Meier isn't and never has been a true option QB and KSU never ran an option offense to anything like the extent Nebraska did.  Personally I think the "it takes time to pick up a new system" excuse is just that much more BS.  Before the first game we were told that the new offense wasn't that complicated and that the team hadn't had a tough time picking it up at all.  Now, following dismal performances by our allegedly brainy QB, it's suddenly difficult?  Please.

[michigancat]

Look Rusty, if you won't answer the questions just say you WON'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.

I would appreciate the same from you.

I asked you if you thought Meier was better than Henne, and you responded with your "why was game 2 of Chad Henne's career more impressive than game 3 of Year 5 of Dylan Meier's career."


Here's why Henne's performance was more impressive:

1)  @Notre Dame vs. Marshall (home).  That's really all you need.


Either way, this is nitpicking.  The point MJ was trying to make is that QB's in a new system never do well.  I provided several examples of QB's in new systems that performed quite well.  Apparently they weren't valid because they don't mirror KSU's situation exactly.  Dylan is performing as well as any QB could possibly perform under the circumstances.


Also, I think some of you are trying to insinuate that my criticism of Dylan makes me "anti-Prince".  That's not the case at all...I think the staff is doing a great job with playcalling and is putting Dylan in a position to make plays...I think a decent QB could make more plays than Dylan, which would put us in a better position to win.

I'm actually very happy with the work of the staff so far.

[mjrod]

Look Rusty, if you won't answer the questions just say you WON'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.

I would appreciate the same from you.

I asked you if you thought Meier was better than Henne, and you responded with your "why was game 2 of Chad Henne's career more impressive than game 3 of Year 5 of Dylan Meier's career."


Here's why Henne's performance was more impressive:

1)  @Notre Dame vs. Marshall (home).  That's really all you need.


Either way, this is nitpicking.  The point MJ was trying to make is that QB's in a new system never do well.  I provided several examples of QB's in new systems that performed quite well.  Apparently they weren't valid because they don't mirror KSU's situation exactly.  Dylan is performing as well as any QB could possibly perform under the circumstances.


Also, I think some of you are trying to insinuate that my criticism of Dylan makes me "anti-Prince".  That's not the case at all...I think the staff is doing a great job with playcalling and is putting Dylan in a position to make plays...I think a decent QB could make more plays than Dylan, which would put us in a better position to win.

I'm actually very happy with the work of the staff so far.

The point I made was that it's hard for QB's to change into systems that are different can hardly be expected to just be better at it and master it within a few short games.   What you showed were QB's who had better supporting casts.   What you all seem to forget is that the QB is not the ONLY participant in this system.  Everyone on the OFFENSE changes.   It takes some time to get up to snuff and master the system for everyone.  Henne came into a system where the other principles knew it.   Heuppel came into a new system as well as the entire team, and he did eventually master it because the next year, they won the NC, they didn't do it their first year except to a bowl and they lost there.  That isn't the same as Kingsbury, because Leach's system didn't result in Kingsbury competing for a championship because his defense sucked badly and Leach didn't care.  Leach figures he can just out-score anyone.  Henne had a bad start in his freshman year, went 3-3.  Meier could do the same.   The closest analogy to Meier is Joe Dailey from Nebraska.   We all know what happened there.

[michigancat]

Look Rusty, if you won't answer the questions just say you WON'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.

I would appreciate the same from you.

I asked you if you thought Meier was better than Henne, and you responded with your "why was game 2 of Chad Henne's career more impressive than game 3 of Year 5 of Dylan Meier's career."


Here's why Henne's performance was more impressive:

1)  @Notre Dame vs. Marshall (home).  That's really all you need.


Either way, this is nitpicking.  The point MJ was trying to make is that QB's in a new system never do well.  I provided several examples of QB's in new systems that performed quite well.  Apparently they weren't valid because they don't mirror KSU's situation exactly.  Dylan is performing as well as any QB could possibly perform under the circumstances.


Also, I think some of you are trying to insinuate that my criticism of Dylan makes me "anti-Prince".  That's not the case at all...I think the staff is doing a great job with playcalling and is putting Dylan in a position to make plays...I think a decent QB could make more plays than Dylan, which would put us in a better position to win.

I'm actually very happy with the work of the staff so far.

The point I made was that it's hard for QB's to change into systems that are different can hardly be expected to just be better at it and master it within a few short games.   What you showed were QB's who had better supporting casts.   What you all seem to forget is that the QB is not the ONLY participant in this system.  Everyone on the OFFENSE changes.   It takes some time to get up to snuff and master the system for everyone.  Henne came into a system where the other principles knew it.   Heuppel came into a new system as well as the entire team, and he did eventually master it because the next year, they won the NC, they didn't do it their first year except to a bowl and they lost there.  That isn't the same as Kingsbury, because Leach's system didn't result in Kingsbury competing for a championship because his defense sucked badly and Leach didn't care.  Leach figures he can just out-score anyone.  Henne had a bad start in his freshman year, went 3-3.  Meier could do the same.   The closest analogy to Meier is Joe Dailey from Nebraska.   We all know what happened there.

Heupel's offense performed beautifully from day 1.  New system for everyone.  I would be thrilled if Dylan replicated Heupel's 7-5 season.

Kingsbury is another great example of a new offensive system working beautifully...not sure how Leach's poor defense proves this wrong.

Henne went 10-3 and led Michigan to the Rose Bowl.

I don't recall Solich sending Dailey out in five-wide, no huddle situations regularly.  I don't remember Dailey attempting 40+ passes in a game...Dylan did every conference game he was healthy.  You act like Dylan has never been asked to do anything but run the option and hand off to I-backs.  That is simply not the case.  He is not being asked to do anything much more difficult (passing wise) than he was under Snyder.

[mjrod]

Look Rusty, if you won't answer the questions just say you WON'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.

I would appreciate the same from you.

I asked you if you thought Meier was better than Henne, and you responded with your "why was game 2 of Chad Henne's career more impressive than game 3 of Year 5 of Dylan Meier's career."


Here's why Henne's performance was more impressive:

1)  @Notre Dame vs. Marshall (home).  That's really all you need.


Either way, this is nitpicking.  The point MJ was trying to make is that QB's in a new system never do well.  I provided several examples of QB's in new systems that performed quite well.  Apparently they weren't valid because they don't mirror KSU's situation exactly.  Dylan is performing as well as any QB could possibly perform under the circumstances.


Also, I think some of you are trying to insinuate that my criticism of Dylan makes me "anti-Prince".  That's not the case at all...I think the staff is doing a great job with playcalling and is putting Dylan in a position to make plays...I think a decent QB could make more plays than Dylan, which would put us in a better position to win.

I'm actually very happy with the work of the staff so far.

The point I made was that it's hard for QB's to change into systems that are different can hardly be expected to just be better at it and master it within a few short games.   What you showed were QB's who had better supporting casts.   What you all seem to forget is that the QB is not the ONLY participant in this system.  Everyone on the OFFENSE changes.   It takes some time to get up to snuff and master the system for everyone.  Henne came into a system where the other principles knew it.   Heuppel came into a new system as well as the entire team, and he did eventually master it because the next year, they won the NC, they didn't do it their first year except to a bowl and they lost there.  That isn't the same as Kingsbury, because Leach's system didn't result in Kingsbury competing for a championship because his defense sucked badly and Leach didn't care.  Leach figures he can just out-score anyone.  Henne had a bad start in his freshman year, went 3-3.  Meier could do the same.   The closest analogy to Meier is Joe Dailey from Nebraska.   We all know what happened there.

Heupel's offense performed beautifully from day 1.  New system for everyone.  I would be thrilled if Dylan replicated Heupel's 7-5 season.

Kingsbury is another great example of a new offensive system working beautifully...not sure how Leach's poor defense proves this wrong.

Henne went 10-3 and led Michigan to the Rose Bowl.

I don't recall Solich sending Dailey out in five-wide, no huddle situations regularly.  I don't remember Dailey attempting 40+ passes in a game...Dylan did every conference game he was healthy.  You act like Dylan has never been asked to do anything but run the option and hand off to I-backs.  That is simply not the case.  He is not being asked to do anything much more difficult (passing wise) than he was under Snyder.

Beautifully is so subjective it's almost hillarious that you use that word in your attempt to downplay Meier at every turn.    No, those offenses had it's ups and downs throughout the season.   You go back and look again.

Solich wasn't the coach when Dailey started.  Callahan was.  Dailey played sparingly but was heir to Jamal Lord when Solich was canned. 

Again, I know this is hard for you to grasp so I will say it again.    Dylan is not the QB you want him to be, and I accept that, but he is also capable of becoming a QB to get us to a bowl game and you have not shown anything that says he can't.   Period.  All you do is keep jumping back to the stats of other QB's who've done "beautiful" but reality doesn't support that.

[michigancat]

Look Rusty, if you won't answer the questions just say you WON'T ANSWER THE QUESTION.

I would appreciate the same from you.

I asked you if you thought Meier was better than Henne, and you responded with your "why was game 2 of Chad Henne's career more impressive than game 3 of Year 5 of Dylan Meier's career."


Here's why Henne's performance was more impressive:

1)  @Notre Dame vs. Marshall (home).  That's really all you need.


Either way, this is nitpicking.  The point MJ was trying to make is that QB's in a new system never do well.  I provided several examples of QB's in new systems that performed quite well.  Apparently they weren't valid because they don't mirror KSU's situation exactly.  Dylan is performing as well as any QB could possibly perform under the circumstances.


Also, I think some of you are trying to insinuate that my criticism of Dylan makes me "anti-Prince".  That's not the case at all...I think the staff is doing a great job with playcalling and is putting Dylan in a position to make plays...I think a decent QB could make more plays than Dylan, which would put us in a better position to win.

I'm actually very happy with the work of the staff so far.

The point I made was that it's hard for QB's to change into systems that are different can hardly be expected to just be better at it and master it within a few short games.   What you showed were QB's who had better supporting casts.   What you all seem to forget is that the QB is not the ONLY participant in this system.  Everyone on the OFFENSE changes.   It takes some time to get up to snuff and master the system for everyone.  Henne came into a system where the other principles knew it.   Heuppel came into a new system as well as the entire team, and he did eventually master it because the next year, they won the NC, they didn't do it their first year except to a bowl and they lost there.  That isn't the same as Kingsbury, because Leach's system didn't result in Kingsbury competing for a championship because his defense sucked badly and Leach didn't care.  Leach figures he can just out-score anyone.  Henne had a bad start in his freshman year, went 3-3.  Meier could do the same.   The closest analogy to Meier is Joe Dailey from Nebraska.   We all know what happened there.

Heupel's offense performed beautifully from day 1.  New system for everyone.  I would be thrilled if Dylan replicated Heupel's 7-5 season.

Kingsbury is another great example of a new offensive system working beautifully...not sure how Leach's poor defense proves this wrong.

Henne went 10-3 and led Michigan to the Rose Bowl.

I don't recall Solich sending Dailey out in five-wide, no huddle situations regularly.  I don't remember Dailey attempting 40+ passes in a game...Dylan did every conference game he was healthy.  You act like Dylan has never been asked to do anything but run the option and hand off to I-backs.  That is simply not the case.  He is not being asked to do anything much more difficult (passing wise) than he was under Snyder.

Beautifully is so subjective it's almost hillarious that you use that word in your attempt to downplay Meier at every turn.    No, those offenses had it's ups and downs throughout the season.   You go back and look again.

Solich wasn't the coach when Dailey started.  Callahan was.  Dailey played sparingly but was heir to Jamal Lord when Solich was canned. 

Again, I know this is hard for you to grasp so I will say it again.    Dylan is not the QB you want him to be, and I accept that, but he is also capable of becoming a QB to get us to a bowl game and you have not shown anything that says he can't.   Period.  All you do is keep jumping back to the stats of other QB's who've done "beautiful" but reality doesn't support that.

Seriously, your Dailey argument makes no sense whatsoever.  A much better argument would be Brandon Streetor at Clemson under Bowden.

You haven't shown a thing that says Dylan CAN get us to a bowl game...Has a team that failed to score an offensive TD against a I-AA team ever gone to a bowl game?

[Fausto]

"I asked you if you thought Meier was better than Henne, and you responded with your "why was game 2 of Chad Henne's career more impressive than game 3 of Year 5 of Dylan Meier's career."

No, I was dealing with mj's comment.

The point MJ was trying to make is that QB's in a new system never do well.

I'll let mj tell me what point he was trying to make.  

Here is exactly what he said at points in his argument....

"Name a QB that came into a system in his first year, mastered it by game 3 and was lighting up the field"

...and that's what I have argued for.  That IS the argument.  Not auxiliary questions you want to throw at myself.  That's changing the subject.  Let's stay focused.

You came back with Kliff Kingsbury...based on one games performance.  One game, to me, does not indicate mastery and I followed up with an argument why.  Including multiple games.  You completely looked past that, or did not respond.

You pointed out Rivers & Henne.  I took issue with Henne, pointing out his game 3  stats.  I believe those to be pedestrian.  Please note, the 3rd game also fits with "game 3" mentioned by mj.   Your response to my Henne comment was to point out how well he did in game 2 of that season.  So, I did a statistical breakdown of that *masterful* performance you were claiming versus the performance being critiqued here (Marshall).  No response from you about that, simply an attempt to change the subject.  

"Either way, this is nitpicking. "

Nitpicking you wanted to do!

 

[mjrod]

Seriously, your Dailey argument makes no sense whatsoever.  A much better argument would be Brandon Streetor at Clemson under Bowden.

You haven't shown a thing that says Dylan CAN get us to a bowl game...Has a team that failed to score an offensive TD against a I-AA team ever gone to a bowl game?

It makes perfect sense.  Dailey was an option QB under Solich.   He started in Callahan's WCO offense, and the team went 5-6.  The year before, the team went 10-3.   They switched systems, one that was primarily run to the WCO.   You're just ignoring it.  Perhaps someone else can help you out in history and figure it out.

Besides, what does it matter if he didn't score an offensive touchdown against a I-AA team?  We still won the game.  Unless you can show he hasn't progressed since then, then you're just ignoring reality.  He had a better offensive production against Marshall than he did against a much weaker Florida Atlantic team.  Seems to me, he's heading in the right direction. 

[Fausto]

"We still won the game."

THERE YOU GO AGAIN!  Completely missing the point.  This isn't about winning games...it's all about statistics and feelings.

[michigancat]

"I asked you if you thought Meier was better than Henne, and you responded with your "why was game 2 of Chad Henne's career more impressive than game 3 of Year 5 of Dylan Meier's career."

No, I was dealing with mj's comment.

I replied anyway.

The point MJ was trying to make is that QB's in a new system never do well.

I'll let mj tell me what point he was trying to make. 

Here is exactly what he said at points in his argument....

"Name a QB that came into a system in his first year, mastered it by game 3 and was lighting up the field"

...and that's what I have argued for.  That IS the argument.  Not auxiliary questions you want to throw at myself.  That's changing the subject.  Let's stay focused.

You came back with Kliff Kingsbury...based on one games performance.  One game, to me, does not indicate mastery and I followed up with an argument why.  Including multiple games.  You completely looked past that, or did not respond.

You pointed out Rivers & Henne.  I took issue with Henne, pointing out his 3 game stats.  I believe those to be pedestrian.  Please note, the 3rd game also fits with "game 3" mentioned by mj.   Your response to my Henne comment was to point out how well he did in game 2 of that season.  So, I did a statistical breakdown of that *masterful* performance versus the performance being critiqued here (Marshall).  No response from you about that, simply an attempt to change the subject. 

Did I really have to go any further than Heupel?

[mjrod]

Did I really have to go any further than Heupel?

Heupel was an exception.   How many others switched systems and became successful like Heuppel and his 7-5 season?

[michigancat]

Seriously, your Dailey argument makes no sense whatsoever.  A much better argument would be Brandon Streetor at Clemson under Bowden.

You haven't shown a thing that says Dylan CAN get us to a bowl game...Has a team that failed to score an offensive TD against a I-AA team ever gone to a bowl game?

It makes perfect sense.  Dailey was an option QB under Solich.   He started in Callahan's WCO offense, and the team went 5-6.  The year before, the team went 10-3.   They switched systems, one that was primarily run to the WCO.   You're just ignoring it.  Perhaps someone else can help you out in history and figure it out.

Dylan was not an option quarterback under Bill Snyder.  Dylan had multiple games that he attempted 40+ passes.  Changing from Prince's system to Prince's system is not nearly as drastic as changing from Solich's to Callahan's.  If anything, Dylan was asked to make more difficult passing plays under Snyder's system.  Dylan should be much better prepared to run Prince's system than Dailey running Callahan's.

Besides, what does it matter if he didn't score an offensive touchdown against a I-AA team?  We still won the game.  Unless you can show he hasn't progressed since then, then you're just ignoring reality.  He had a better offensive production against Marshall than he did against a much weaker Florida Atlantic team.  Seems to me, he's heading in the right direction. 

Likewise, if you don't consider Dylan's performance against ISU (and FAU) a bad sign, you're also ignoring reality.  I hope he is heading in the right direction.  We'll see.

[mjrod]

Seriously, your Dailey argument makes no sense whatsoever.  A much better argument would be Brandon Streetor at Clemson under Bowden.

You haven't shown a thing that says Dylan CAN get us to a bowl game...Has a team that failed to score an offensive TD against a I-AA team ever gone to a bowl game?

It makes perfect sense.  Dailey was an option QB under Solich.   He started in Callahan's WCO offense, and the team went 5-6.  The year before, the team went 10-3.   They switched systems, one that was primarily run to the WCO.   You're just ignoring it.  Perhaps someone else can help you out in history and figure it out.

Dylan was not an option quarterback under Bill Snyder.  Dylan had multiple games that he attempted 40+ passes.  Changing from Prince's system to Prince's system is not nearly as drastic as changing from Solich's to Callahan's.  If anything, Dylan was asked to make more difficult passing plays under Snyder's system.  Dylan should be much better prepared to run Prince's system than Dailey running Callahan's.

How many games did he have 40+ attempts?   He only had 220 attempts all year in 2004, the year he played 10 games.

Changing systems may not have been as drastic, but Snyder's system had a lot more to it than Prince's does, and the decision making process is very different.  When you've learned a system for 4 years, why is it that you believe it would be an easier transition?  I don't know what you expect out of Dylan, but it's clear you're expecting something he didn't do under Snyder's system either.   However, what is true, is that he's progressing under Prince's system.   Are you saying he isn't?

Besides, what does it matter if he didn't score an offensive touchdown against a I-AA team?  We still won the game.  Unless you can show he hasn't progressed since then, then you're just ignoring reality.  He had a better offensive production against Marshall than he did against a much weaker Florida Atlantic team.  Seems to me, he's heading in the right direction. 

Likewise, if you don't consider Dylan's performance against ISU (and FAU) a bad sign, you're also ignoring reality.  I hope he is heading in the right direction.  We'll see.

It was the first and the second game he showed improvement.  The third game showed he's grasping and moving forward.  Our running game, lack thereof is more critical than the issue of Meier.  You can't blame him for an ineffective running game.

[michigancat]

Did I really have to go any further than Heupel?

Heupel was an exception.   How many others switched systems and became successful like Heuppel and his 7-5 season?

Rivers.

Kingsbury.

Henne.

Streetor/Dantzler.

Shaun Hill (maryland)

Suggs (Ga. Tech)

Tuiasosopo (Wash)

David Greene (GA)

Chris Leak

Clint Stoerner (ark)