Thoughts on Dylan's game?

[fatty fat fat]

Ha, shut up. Besides, I'm a terrible CS student.

No you are not.

btw: i'm retaking cis200 next semester. you should help me.

[Dan Rydell]

If Webb were playing behind this oline, he wouldn't be doing anything, either.  He'd be getting that deer-in-the-headlights look, then try to roll out to his blindside, get hit as he spun around, and fumble.

Jon Cornish wouldn't be doing much behind this oline, because he waits too long to pick his hole.  Once he gets through the line, he has the burst to break the big one, but with a line that doesn't open holes, he'd be getting dropped for a loss, too.

The bottom line, as others have pointed out, is that our oline play is just bad, as it has been for the past couple of years.  One would hope that with our oline specialist head coach, we'll see improvement in that area as we progress.  With some good oline play, this team could make some noise in the North.  

We should just be glad we don't have OU's line.  They had to pull the redshirt off a freshman yesterday and play him.  It's gonna be a long year for the Sooners.

[fatty fat fat]

Jon Cornish

 

[Skycat]

We're not 4th in sacks allowed because the OL is pass blocking well.  We're 4th in sacks allowed because we're using lots of short drops and Meier is getting the ball off in time.

[mjrod]

We're not 4th in sacks allowed because the OL is pass blocking well.  We're 4th in sacks allowed because we're using lots of short drops and Meier is getting the ball off in time.

So he's throwing the ball fast enough not to get sacked?

k.

[ds43fan]

Is he the worst KSU QB since ?(Pre-Chad May???)

yes

[Skycat]

We're not 4th in sacks allowed because the OL is pass blocking well.  We're 4th in sacks allowed because we're using lots of short drops and Meier is getting the ball off in time.

So he's throwing the ball fast enough not to get sacked?

k.

Exactly.  He was under pressure a number of times yesterday on 3 step drops.  That's pretty ridiculous.

[michigancat]

We're not 4th in sacks allowed because the OL is pass blocking well.  We're 4th in sacks allowed because we're using lots of short drops and Meier is getting the ball off in time.

So he's throwing the ball fast enough not to get sacked?

k.

Exactly.  He was under pressure a number of times yesterday on 3 step drops.  That's pretty ridiculous.

That's more scheme problems than physical deficiencies, and should be more easily corrected.  Dylan's wounded ducks are physical.

[Skycat]

We're not 4th in sacks allowed because the OL is pass blocking well.  We're 4th in sacks allowed because we're using lots of short drops and Meier is getting the ball off in time.

So he's throwing the ball fast enough not to get sacked?

k.

Exactly.  He was under pressure a number of times yesterday on 3 step drops.  That's pretty ridiculous.

That's more scheme problems than physical deficiencies, and should be more easily corrected.  Dylan's wounded ducks are physical.

But see, right now, those OL deficiencies are there.  Currently Meier is outperforming the OL by a mile.

[michigancat]

We're not 4th in sacks allowed because the OL is pass blocking well.  We're 4th in sacks allowed because we're using lots of short drops and Meier is getting the ball off in time.

So he's throwing the ball fast enough not to get sacked?

k.

Exactly.  He was under pressure a number of times yesterday on 3 step drops.  That's pretty ridiculous.

That's more scheme problems than physical deficiencies, and should be more easily corrected.  Dylan's wounded ducks are physical.

But see, right now, those OL deficiencies are there.  Currently Meier is outperforming the OL by a mile.

No.  Both have major problems.  OL is more easily corrected.  Meier has a limp noodle for an arm.

[Skycat]

We're not 4th in sacks allowed because the OL is pass blocking well.  We're 4th in sacks allowed because we're using lots of short drops and Meier is getting the ball off in time.

So he's throwing the ball fast enough not to get sacked?

k.

Exactly.  He was under pressure a number of times yesterday on 3 step drops.  That's pretty ridiculous.

That's more scheme problems than physical deficiencies, and should be more easily corrected.  Dylan's wounded ducks are physical.

But see, right now, those OL deficiencies are there.  Currently Meier is outperforming the OL by a mile.

No.  Both have major problems.  OL is more easily corrected.  Meier has a limp noodle for an arm.

Yesterday Meier went 19-35-256-1-1.  That's not bad.

I'd have to chart it to give you a number, and I'm not going to, but the number of knockdowns allowed by the OL on a QB that wasn't holding the ball was bad.

We gained 99 yards on 27 caries. That is pretty bad.

Again, right now Meier is out-performing the OL.

You seem to think that by the end of the year that will change.  I think you're being too optimistic about the OL.

[mjrod]

We're not 4th in sacks allowed because the OL is pass blocking well.  We're 4th in sacks allowed because we're using lots of short drops and Meier is getting the ball off in time.

So he's throwing the ball fast enough not to get sacked?

k.

Exactly.  He was under pressure a number of times yesterday on 3 step drops.  That's pretty ridiculous.

That's more scheme problems than physical deficiencies, and should be more easily corrected.  Dylan's wounded ducks are physical.

But see, right now, those OL deficiencies are there.  Currently Meier is outperforming the OL by a mile.

No.  Both have major problems.  OL is more easily corrected.  Meier has a limp noodle for an arm.

O Line won't be solved until these guys play in the system another year.   We probably only have Dylan for this year.  I doubt we get him for another.  Freeman needs to step up his play and get ready to outperform everyone.

[michigancat]

I think the OL has much more potential to improve (this year) than Dylan.  He's just physically limited right now.

Either way, this is like arguing whether or not the 87 KSU team was worse than the 88 team.  Both are really, really bad.

[mjrod]

I think the OL has much more potential to improve (this year) than Dylan.  He's just physically limited right now.

Either way, this is like arguing whether or not the 87 KSU team was worse than the 88 team.  Both are really, really bad.

Really?  You think that this is the same level of argument of the 87, 88 team?   You ever see one of those teams?

Re: Dylan, Is it because he's physically limited or is it because of the system?  I tend to think it's more of the system.   I could see whether it might be still is recovering his strength, but he can throw the ball the distance, and his rollout pass to Moriera where he threw on the run was a beautiful throw.   Ducks happen from time to time, but I don't know what his duck to good throw ratio is.

[kougar24]

Let's hope they actually make a competition out of who improves more.

[mjrod]

Let's hope they actually make a competition out of who improves more.

As long as we keep winning, then I think that's good.

[Skycat]

19-35-256-1-1in a win over Marshall isn't anywhere close to 1987 or 1988 bad.  As bad as the OL is, it's not 1987, 1988 bad.

[Racquetball_Ninja]

Ha, shut up. Besides, I'm a terrible CS student.

Anyhoo, perhaps I am mistaken, and just expect too much from an O-line with an O-line guy for a head coach after 3 games against mostly weak opponents.

Prince can only work with the talent he inherited.  If you don't like the O-Line talent you might want to think about giving Billy a call.

[kougar24]

Ha, shut up. Besides, I'm a terrible CS student.

Anyhoo, perhaps I am mistaken, and just expect too much from an O-line with an O-line guy for a head coach after 3 games against mostly weak opponents.

Prince can only work with the talent he inherited.  If you don't like the O-Line talent you might want to think about giving Billy a call.

I realize. But I'd like to see more noticeable work being done with 'em.

[michigancat]

19-35-256-1-1in a win over Marshall isn't anywhere close to 1987 or 1988 bad.  As bad as the OL is, it's not 1987, 1988 bad.

I think the OL has much more potential to improve (this year) than Dylan.  He's just physically limited right now.

Either way, this is like arguing whether or not the 87 KSU team was worse than the 88 team.  Both are really, really bad.

Really?  You think that this is the same level of argument of the 87, 88 team?   You ever see one of those teams?

Re: Dylan, Is it because he's physically limited or is it because of the system?  I tend to think it's more of the system.   I could see whether it might be still is recovering his strength, but he can throw the ball the distance, and his rollout pass to Moriera where he threw on the run was a beautiful throw.   Ducks happen from time to time, but I don't know what his duck to good throw ratio is.

Christ, you two are the queens of the literal. 

I think the OL has much more potential to improve (this year) than Dylan.  He's just physically limited right now.

Either way, this is like arguing whether or not the 87 KSU team was worse than the 88 team.  Both are really, really bad.

Re: Dylan, Is it because he's physically limited or is it because of the system?  I tend to think it's more of the system.   I could see whether it might be still is recovering his strength, but he can throw the ball the distance, and his rollout pass to Moriera where he threw on the run was a beautiful throw.   Ducks happen from time to time, but I don't know what his duck to good throw ratio is.

I think it's all physical.  The system gave him wide open receivers all game.  He can't throw the ball with distance consistently. He made a ton of bad throws...Receivers pretty much caught everything in their vicinity, once again.  So his good pass to bad pass ratio was about 19:12 when you consider a few throw-aways under pressure. 

[Skycat]

I'll work hard on my sense of ironic detachment so I won't embarass this board.

As for Meier's performance.

I see.  You prefer to make assessments based on perception rather than actual results.

19-35-256.

Meier wasn't anywher near as bad as what you're implying in this thread.

[mjrod]

19-35-256-1-1in a win over Marshall isn't anywhere close to 1987 or 1988 bad.  As bad as the OL is, it's not 1987, 1988 bad.

I think the OL has much more potential to improve (this year) than Dylan.  He's just physically limited right now.

Either way, this is like arguing whether or not the 87 KSU team was worse than the 88 team.  Both are really, really bad.

Really?  You think that this is the same level of argument of the 87, 88 team?   You ever see one of those teams?

Re: Dylan, Is it because he's physically limited or is it because of the system?  I tend to think it's more of the system.   I could see whether it might be still is recovering his strength, but he can throw the ball the distance, and his rollout pass to Moriera where he threw on the run was a beautiful throw.   Ducks happen from time to time, but I don't know what his duck to good throw ratio is.

Christ, you two are the queens of the literal. 

Queen of the literal?  LOL!!   You're the one whining about Dylan's throwing arm being a noodle.   Talk about overexaggerating like a woman.

I think the OL has much more potential to improve (this year) than Dylan.  He's just physically limited right now.

Either way, this is like arguing whether or not the 87 KSU team was worse than the 88 team.  Both are really, really bad.

Re: Dylan, Is it because he's physically limited or is it because of the system?  I tend to think it's more of the system.   I could see whether it might be still is recovering his strength, but he can throw the ball the distance, and his rollout pass to Moriera where he threw on the run was a beautiful throw.   Ducks happen from time to time, but I don't know what his duck to good throw ratio is.

I think it's all physical.  The system gave him wide open receivers all game.  He can't throw the ball with distance consistently. He made a ton of bad throws...Receivers pretty much caught everything in their vicinity, once again.  So his good pass to bad pass ratio was about 19:12 when you consider a few throw-aways under pressure. 

Geezus..  Now it's about throwaways and hurries along with ducks.   Is there anything you can do to shore up your noodle arm argument?

[michigancat]

I'll work hard on my sense of ironic detachment so I won't embarass this board.

As for Meier's performance.

I see.  You prefer to make assessments based on perception rather than actual results.

19-35-256.

Meier wasn't anywher near as bad as what you're implying in this thread.

Congrats for Dylan for almost matching the numbers of Hofstra QB Anton Clarkson vs. Marshall: 49-25, 256  2TD, 0INT*

*sacked 6 times

[michigancat]

Geezus..  Now it's about throwaways and hurries along with ducks.   Is there anything you can do to shore up your noodle arm argument?

I'm giving Dylan some credit...not all his incompletions were due to him trying to one-hop passes to receivers, although most were.  Watch the game.  He can't throw.  I don't think he's recovered from his injury.

[mjrod]

Geezus..  Now it's about throwaways and hurries along with ducks.   Is there anything you can do to shore up your noodle arm argument?

I'm giving Dylan some credit...not all his incompletions were due to him trying to one-hop passes to receivers, although most were.  Watch the game.  He can't throw.  I don't think he's recovered from his injury.

I did watch the game.  He's got a pretty soft touch for a QB but he can also throw it with decent velocity.   He seems to understand how to get it to the receivers.  I would speculate that at best he's just an average QB in the college system as he doesn't have standout numbers, but that's just a product of this system.

[AzCat]

O Line won't be solved until these guys play in the system another year.

Try another 2-3 years.  OL is an area where you really have to build from the ground up, you can't just plug in a few solid recruits and expect them to perform well as a unit.  Plus Prince seems to be recruiting a different physical type than did Snyder so that's going to take a bit of time to work as well. 

And let's hope we don't get stuck with Meier for another year.  Prince might be tempted to play him again.   

[mjrod]

O Line won't be solved until these guys play in the system another year.

Try another 2-3 years.  OL is an area where you really have to build from the ground up, you can't just plug in a few solid recruits and expect them to perform well as a unit.  Plus Prince seems to be recruiting a different physical type than did Snyder so that's going to take a bit of time to work as well. 

And let's hope we don't get stuck with Meier for another year.  Prince might be tempted to play him again.   

Eh, maybe.  As young and as highly gifted as most of these recruits are they should be able to absorb a much simpler system than Snyder's.   The check off's in Snyder's system were numerous and complex.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Meier is obviously superior to Evridge, Webb, and Lopina. They saw this and left. We all know Freeman isn't ready.

Dylan Meier is a stud and I think its time you all come to terms with that. No one else can drive away three quarterbacks because he's just so awesome.

[JavaCat]

Meier is obviously superior to Evridge, Webb, and Lopina. They saw this and left. We all know Freeman isn't ready.

Dylan Meier is a stud and I think its time you all come to terms with that. No one else can drive away three quarterbacks because he's just so awesome.

That was horrible.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

I tried.