My friend is a jesus freak (jesus freaks gtfo of my thread)

[rundown87]

Suggesting that a legitimate "record" of either Horus or Jesus exists is ludicrous.  However, you have to at least acknowledge that written word about Horus would be quite a bit more  difficult to find do to the thousands and thousands of years between the two characters.

For all we know, Jesus spent the missing years in Egypt boning up on now-extinct writings on Horus and then interwove these tales into conversations with followers that later ended up being part of the new testament.  Easily as plausible as any other explanation of Jesus' missing years.
 

I'm not trying to tell you to believe that what the bible says about Jesus life was correct.  I am just stating that it is a proven fact that Jesus was a real person.  Throwing out all the religious stuff, he was a man who walked the earth at one point in time.  Regardless of what he did or did not do, he was a real person, and it's impossible to prove otherwise, as there are records of him being there, and his crucifiction.  By the people who killed him.

[Perry]

It's all good and well that the Romans crucified some dude named Jesus over 2000 years ago, but that doesn't really help the whole "son of god" theory. I consider Jesus to be a philosopher the same way I think of Confucious(sp?). Doesn't change the way I live my life. Sure, there are a lot of good morals that Christians promote, and I think that's good for society, but the religion itself, or any religion, is kinda lame imo.

There's a lot of different people in the world, and lots of assholes happen to be Christians, atheists, Hindus, etc, and it's wrong to stereotype everyone in the group because of a few bad eggs. People trying to convert you to their religion is lame regardless of which religion (or lackthereof). If your friend is a Jesus freak who won't leave you alone about it, then he isn't being a very good friend. Sure, he thinks he's being a good person and doing a good thing, but you should only have to tell him you aren't interested once. 

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

I'm thinking of becoming a unitarian. 

Aside from flat-out atheism, it's the only option that is even remotely intellectually honest.

This is such a wide-spread crock of BS.

I'm not Christian but if you actually sit down and listen to Christian intellectuals without dismissing them beforehand, you might learn something.

[Pete]

I'm thinking of becoming a unitarian. 

Aside from flat-out atheism, it's the only option that is even remotely intellectually honest.

This is such a wide-spread crock of BS.

I'm not Christian but if you actually sit down and listen to Christian intellectuals without dismissing them beforehand, you might learn something.

Most real Christian "intellectuals" are really Unitarians in my experience. Unitarian groups usually have an "anchor" faith from which the base customs and traditions.  The Christian ones are usually very open about how they interpret scripture, and aren't pushing the particular flavor that they learned at a denominationally sponsored seminary, IMO.

...And as far as "actually sit down and listen to Christian intellectuals without dismissing them beforehand," goes, I spent 25+ years doing that on a frequent basis.  I did the time, my man, I did the time.

[PoetWarrior]

The term Christian is being misused in this thread.

[steve dave]

The term Christian is being misused in this thread.

n.
One who professes belief in Jesus as Christ or follows the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus.
One who lives according to the teachings of Jesus.

[ksu_FAN]

Interesting thread.

1st, the term Christian is often misused.  Heck, even Christians often can't agree what it means completely.

2nd, I find it funny that people bag on Christians for wanting to convince people to "believe in Jesus", when implied in their own language is a desire to convince people not to believe.  We all bring something to the plate here and we're all pretty much hypocrits in this area.  And a message board forum is a stupid place to try to convince people either way anyway.  Much like the political board is pretty much just repeating talking points that you already believe back and forth.  But I suppose that is what the format is for, but at the end of the day its just peeing into the wind for the most part.

3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher".  He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience.  Far from a good moral teacher IMO.

[rundown87]

Interesting thread.

1st, the term Christian is often misused.  Heck, even Christians often can't agree what it means completely.

2nd, I find it funny that people bag on Christians for wanting to convince people to "believe in Jesus", when implied in their own language is a desire to convince people not to believe.  We all bring something to the plate here and we're all pretty much hypocrits in this area.  And a message board forum is a stupid place to try to convince people either way anyway.  Much like the political board is pretty much just repeating talking points that you already believe back and forth.  But I suppose that is what the format is for, but at the end of the day its just peeing into the wind for the most part.

3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher".  He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience.  Far from a good moral teacher IMO.

Don't really get where you are going with this one.

[LimestoneOutcropping]

Interesting thread.

1st, the term Christian is often misused.  Heck, even Christians often can't agree what it means completely.

2nd, I find it funny that people bag on Christians for wanting to convince people to "believe in Jesus", when implied in their own language is a desire to convince people not to believe.  We all bring something to the plate here and we're all pretty much hypocrits in this area.  And a message board forum is a stupid place to try to convince people either way anyway.  Much like the political board is pretty much just repeating talking points that you already believe back and forth.  But I suppose that is what the format is for, but at the end of the day its just peeing into the wind for the most part.

3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher".  He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience.  Far from a good moral teacher IMO.

I think you will be hard pressed to find many "don't believe in Jesus" missionaries.  Those who make that choice do so and keep their yaps shut about it.  Nobody ever rang my doorbell to try and convince me to not believe in jesus.  Bad talking point.

Otherwise, fairly accurate.  Jesus did teach you to try and do nice things though I never got that money changing freak out?  Doesn't the church hit you up for every spare dime you got rattling around?  Why did he break up some dudes money gig?  

[ksu_FAN]

Interesting thread.

1st, the term Christian is often misused.  Heck, even Christians often can't agree what it means completely.

2nd, I find it funny that people bag on Christians for wanting to convince people to "believe in Jesus", when implied in their own language is a desire to convince people not to believe.  We all bring something to the plate here and we're all pretty much hypocrits in this area.  And a message board forum is a stupid place to try to convince people either way anyway.  Much like the political board is pretty much just repeating talking points that you already believe back and forth.  But I suppose that is what the format is for, but at the end of the day its just peeing into the wind for the most part.

3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher".  He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience.  Far from a good moral teacher IMO.

I think you will be hard pressed to find many "don't believe in Jesus" missionaries.  Those who make that choice do so and keep their yaps shut about it.  Nobody ever rang my doorbell to try and convince me to not believe in jesus.  Bad talking point.

True.  But a chart comparing Jesus to an ancient Egyptian god is essentually trying to "convince" someone something about who Jesus is.  Granted, you have to draw your own conclusions.  But yeah, there really isn't too much atheistic door to door preaching going on.

Interesting thread.

1st, the term Christian is often misused.  Heck, even Christians often can't agree what it means completely.

2nd, I find it funny that people bag on Christians for wanting to convince people to "believe in Jesus", when implied in their own language is a desire to convince people not to believe.  We all bring something to the plate here and we're all pretty much hypocrits in this area.  And a message board forum is a stupid place to try to convince people either way anyway.  Much like the political board is pretty much just repeating talking points that you already believe back and forth.  But I suppose that is what the format is for, but at the end of the day its just peeing into the wind for the most part.

3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher". He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience.  Far from a good moral teacher IMO.

Don't really get where you are going with this one.

Just read a good portion of what Jesus said about himself and what he was doing and see if it is just some "How to be a Good Person 101" seminar.

[PoetWarrior]

3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher".  He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience.  Far from a good moral teacher IMO.

Don't really get where you are going with this one.

Don't know if this was exactly where Fan was going, but the point is that you either believe Jesus was really the son of God, like he said he was, and believe in every other word he said, or you don't. And if you don't that instantly turns Jesus into the single looniest person who ever lived. So in less you want to learn from the looniest man who ever lived, you must choose to be in or out, 100%. Can't have a little of both.

[rundown87]

3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher".  He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience.  Far from a good moral teacher IMO.

Don't really get where you are going with this one.

Don't know if this was exactly where Fan was going, but the point is that you either believe Jesus was really the son of God, like he said he was, and believe in every other word he said, or you don't. And if you don't that instantly turns Jesus into the single looniest person who ever lived. So in less you want to learn from the looniest man who ever lived, you must choose to be in or out, 100%. Can't have a little of both.

This I would agree with, what he said didn't make too much sense to me.

[Fledermaus]

3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher".  He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience.  Far from a good moral teacher IMO.

Don't really get where you are going with this one.

Don't know if this was exactly where Fan was going, but the point is that you either believe Jesus was really the son of God, like he said he was, and believe in every other word he said, or you don't. And if you don't that instantly turns Jesus into the single looniest person who ever lived. So in less you want to learn from the looniest man who ever lived, you must choose to be in or out, 100%. Can't have a little of both.

How is Jesus any loonier than any other person in history who has started a cult or religion?   The claiming to be son of god, channel of god, etc. is a pretty standard marketing technique for those in the business.  Lends credibility.
 

[CrimsonBlue]

The ironic thing is that Christians are some of the most judgemental, unaccepting people you will ever meet.  They've completely lost track of the message that Jesus was trying to promote. 

[catdude33]

The ironic thing is that Christians are some of the most judgemental, unaccepting people you will ever meet.  They've completely lost track of the message that Jesus was trying to promote. 

What was his message BMW?

[PoetWarrior]

The ironic thing is that Christians are some of the most judgemental, unaccepting people you will ever meet.  They've completely lost track of the message that Jesus was trying to promote. 

His message was: Be like me.

So again, you either buy that that is the highest cause a person can devote himself to, following the son of God. Or, you think Jesus was a loony toon and we're lucky that the dude was killed when we was.

Also, Jesus was much, much more radical than any cult leader, etc.

[CrimsonBlue]

The ironic thing is that Christians are some of the most judgemental, unaccepting people you will ever meet.  They've completely lost track of the message that Jesus was trying to promote. 

What was his message BMW?

A few examples:


"Love thy neighbor." 

"He who hath not sinned, cast the first stone." 

"Kill them with kindness." 


Jesus' ultimate message, though, is that we all have the potential to be God.  God is the sum of all that is virtuous in human nature. 

[Saulbadguy]

The ironic thing is that Christians are some of the most judgemental, unaccepting people you will ever meet.  They've completely lost track of the message that Jesus was trying to promote. 

What was his message BMW?

[PoetWarrior]

The ironic thing is that Christians are some of the most judgemental, unaccepting people you will ever meet.  They've completely lost track of the message that Jesus was trying to promote. 

What was his message BMW?

A few examples:


"Love thy neighbor." 

"He who hath not sinned, cast the first stone." 

"Kill them with kindness." 


Jesus' ultimate message, though, is that we all have the potential to be God.  God is the sum of all that is virtuous in human nature. 

You've got work to do.

[catzacker]

3rd, if you don't believe Jesus is who the Bible says he is, then don't call him "good" or some sort of "moral teacher".  He's a complete psychopath with major issues if what is documented there is true and he was really just some 1st century Jew who somehow got an audience.  Far from a good moral teacher IMO.

I agree with this.

I mean, anyone who believes in God/Jesus (throughout history) is either f'ing brilliant or certifiable.....

"hey, pharoh, let my people go or God will send frogs and locusts and turn the river into blood and kill everyone's first born"

"did you see that dood turn all that water into wine?"

"holy sh*t...there's no body in that tomb"

[rundown87]

The ironic thing is that Christians are some of the most judgemental, unaccepting people you will ever meet.  They've completely lost track of the message that Jesus was trying to promote. 

What was his message BMW?

A few examples:


"Love thy neighbor." 

"He who hath not sinned, cast the first stone." 

"Kill them with kindness." 


Jesus' ultimate message, though, is that we all have the potential to be God.  God is the sum of all that is virtuous in human nature. 

Extremely incorrect. In the bible it states that none of us have the potential to be God, because we were born sinners, and God has never sinned.  Very stupid statement to make IMO.  But I didn't expect you to all of a sudden be smart just because your post had nothing to do with ku.

[michigancat]

You can learn a lot from Jesus and not think he's truly God if you don't take everything in the bible literally.  <-which you really shouldn't anyway

[PoetWarrior]

False.

[Saulbadguy]

You can learn a lot from Jesus and not think he's truly God if you don't take everything in the bible literally.  <-which you really shouldn't anyway

Yeah, he sounded like a good dude.

[Fledermaus]

Anyone enjoy the Mr. Diety series?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qzf8q9QHfhI

[ChokeSlam]

The ironic thing is that Christians are some of the most judgemental, unaccepting people you will ever meet.  They've completely lost track of the message that Jesus was trying to promote. 

Very judgmental post IMO

[Pete]

False.

You seem kinda all over the place on this topic.