My friend is a jesus freak (jesus freaks gtfo of my thread)

[Rick Daris]

If 'jesus freaks' are wrong, then no big deal.  If they are right, then 'woo hoo!'

If non-jesus freaks are wrong.... sucks to be them.

Saul,  are you on tap to be one of the 144,000?

that's the whole thing that i don't get about this god guy. he seems just a little to narcistic in my opinion. believe in me! worship me! if you don't... i'll do something really bad to you and if you do... then we're cool. gmafb.

he should be more concerned about how i live my life and not whether or not i worship him and dress really nice once a week to go sing songs in some building with other nicely dressed people. big picture here god...focus on the BIG picture.

[Pete]

If 'jesus freaks' are wrong, then no big deal.  If they are right, then 'woo hoo!'

If non-jesus freaks are wrong.... sucks to be them.

Saul,  are you on tap to be one of the 144,000?

that's the whole thing that i don't get about this god guy. he seems just a little to narcistic in my opinion. believe in me! worship me! if you don't... i'll do something really bad to you and if you do... then we're cool. gmafb.

he should be more concerned about how i live my life and not whether or not i worship him and dress really nice once a week to go sing songs in some building with other nicely dressed people. big picture here god...focus on the BIG picture.

Saying crap like that was enough to get a mother&@#%er killed or imprisoned for much of Christian history.  How are you suppose to fund a vast Christian bureaucratic empire if you don't have butts in the seats on Sunday to get brow beat by another "tithe you son's of bitches" sermon?  And it's not just the big denominations...how do you think those nutjob charismatics pay for the rock climbing walls and Def Leopard-esque sounds systems/stage productions?

Saying you don't need a worship facility and clergy has a funny way of pissing off the ones who write the rules.

Also, and I should have mentioned this earlier....attending worship services regularly is great for professional networking....which is probably one of the top 5 reasons people attend worship services in this country.
 

[Rick Daris]

If 'jesus freaks' are wrong, then no big deal.  If they are right, then 'woo hoo!'

If non-jesus freaks are wrong.... sucks to be them.

Saul,  are you on tap to be one of the 144,000?

that's the whole thing that i don't get about this god guy. he seems just a little to narcistic in my opinion. believe in me! worship me! if you don't... i'll do something really bad to you and if you do... then we're cool. gmafb.

he should be more concerned about how i live my life and not whether or not i worship him and dress really nice once a week to go sing songs in some building with other nicely dressed people. big picture here god...focus on the BIG picture.

Saying crap like that was enough to get a motherfracker killed or imprisoned for much of Christian history.  How are you suppose to fund a vast Christian bureaucratic empire if you don't have butts in the seats on Sunday to get brow beat by another "tithe you son's of bitches" sermon?  And it's not just the big denominations...how do you think those nutjob charismatics pay for the rock climbing walls and Def Leopard-esque sounds systems/stage productions?

Saying you don't need a worship facility and clergy has a funny way of pissing off the ones who write the rules.

Also, and I should have mentioned this earlier....attending worship services regularly is great for professional networking....which is probably one of the top 5 reasons people attend worship services in this country.
 

yeah, professional networking has to be a big reason i guess.

i bet another very big reason is that it gives women an excuse to buy nice clothes and dress their kids up once a week... "doesn't little caden look handsome in his new green polo and pair of khakis that i got him bob?"   "honey, look at this cute little sundress i got for madison. i'm going to have her wear it to church this sunday." 

[LimestoneOutcropping]

If 'jesus freaks' are wrong, then no big deal.  If they are right, then 'woo hoo!'

If non-jesus freaks are wrong.... sucks to be them.

Saul,  are you on tap to be one of the 144,000?

that's the whole thing that i don't get about this god guy. he seems just a little to narcistic in my opinion. believe in me! worship me! if you don't... i'll do something really bad to you and if you do... then we're cool. gmafb.

he should be more concerned about how i live my life and not whether or not i worship him and dress really nice once a week to go sing songs in some building with other nicely dressed people. big picture here god...focus on the BIG picture.

I don't really get the amputee analogy.  He won't re-grow the amputee's poor limb or perform miracles that aren't vague "I feel much better now" miracles because it would make believing "too easy"?  Yet, he used to part oceans, walk on water and rise from the dead but if you were born 2000 years too late, you just gotta believe?  Sounds very cunning.  Not sure you want your God described as cunning and stubborn.

[KSt8er]

This is a fun one for the Christians out there.   

Event/person                             Horus                                          Jesus

Conception                        Immaculate, virgin mother           Immaculate, virgin mother

Father                                Only beloved son of God              Only beloved son of God

Mother                               Isis-Meri                                            Miriam (Mary)

Worldly father                   Seb (Jo-seph)                              Joseph

Place of birth                     Cave                                          Cave or a barn

Announcement of arrival   Angel to mother Isis                     Angel to mother Miriam

Birth accompanied by        Sirius morning star                       Unidentified `star in the east`

Date of birth                       Dec 21                                       Dec 25

Witnesses of birth             Shepherds                                    Shepherds

Later witnesses                 Three Solar divinities                  Three wise men

Death threats                    Herut attempted murder            Herod attempted murder

Age or ritual `initiation`   12                                               12

Age unfamiliar                   No information between the          No information between the       

                                           ages of 12  and 30                       ages of 12  and 30

Place of baptism               River Eridanus                              River Jordan

Age when baptised            30                                              30

Baptist                               Anup the Baptizer                          John the Baptist

Baptist`s fate                    Beheaded                                   Beheaded

Temptation                        Taken up mountain by Sut (Set)                      Taken up mountain by Satan

Result of temptation         Horus resisted                             Jesus resisted

Miracles                             Walked on water, purged            Walked on water, purged

                                          demons, cured the sick,              demons, cured the sick,

                                         restored vision to the blind      restored vision to the blind

Raising the dead               Horus raised his father Osiris       Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead



Key Address:               Sermon on the Mount.                 Sermon on the Mount.

Accompanied by:         Two thieves.                                 Two thieves.

Burial                             In a tomb.                                      In a tomb.

Fate after death:             Descended into Hell; resurrected after 3 days.       Descended into Hell; resurrected after 3 days.

Resurrection announced by:  Women.                          Women.

Main role:                        Savior of humanity.                     Savior of humanity.

Status:                              God-man.                                    God-man.

Title:                                  KRST, the anointed one.           Christ, the anointed one.

Other names: The good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, the winnower.

The good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, the winnower.

An important `sermon on the mount` is mentioned with Horus, while `sermon on the mountain` is mentioned with Jesus. Both Horus and Jesus were crucified and both died in the company of two thieves. They were buried in tombs and resurrected three days later. Resurrections in both cases were announced by women.

The title both had was the Saviour of humanity, and both were immaculately conceived. Horus is called Krst , or `the anointed one` while Jesus is called Christ the anointed.

The Christian God isn't very original I guess. 
 

[michigancat]

I'm thinking of becoming a unitarian. 

[Bookcat]

Jimi Hendrix
Janis Joplin
Jim Morrison
Stevie Ray Vaugh

all died young....and in the prime of their careers and creative talents.

Proof there is no God.


I'll prepare a serious answer later.

[KSU187]

I wouldn't rule anything out on the Horus front...

The ancient Egyptian High priesthood (33rd Degree) were very knowledgeable about certian Truths that are inherent in this world.  They used powerful symbology for prophesy and communication.

Judeo_Christian beliefs is rooted in the knowledge of the Egyptians (but only the high priests knew the Truth, Moses was 33rd degree and chosen by God to lead his people out of bondage)

The name Is-Ra-El

Isis (Egyptian God), Ra (Egyptian God), and El (Hebrew)

The name Israel has symbology like all ancient and universal truths...

Could Horus, be an ancient prophesy, because again, the high priests were not pagan, but more in-tune with Truth than some men today....

[Pete]

I'm thinking of becoming a unitarian. 

Aside from flat-out atheism, it's the only option that is even remotely intellectually honest.

[ksuno1stunner]

what do u guys think of buddhism?  pretty cool right?  all that zen, incense, temples, monks, good luck, etc?

i think i have the coolest religion.

[PoetWarrior]

It's interesting how the intellectual side always displays so little intellect in these debates.

[Pike]

I was in KC this weekend for Easter. My sister and I were driving over to my aunts house and we drove by "our" church. This conversation ensued:

Her (as we're driving by the church): OMG we haven't been to church in so long! We're such bad people!
Me: Meh, I really don't care
Her: Do you not believe in God?
Me: Not really
Her: Ok, Have fun in hell!

Seriously? GMAFB.

I don't get how Christians think they can drink all week and &@#% all week and then come Sunday they are "forgiven" just because they dressed up, went to church, spaced out for 45 minutes during the sermon, and then give the church $5.

Don't even get me started on lent (or lint) IDK how you Catholics spell it

[Winters]

Went to church with my grandma Sunday morning. Well they gave you stickers to put your name on. I told the lady to put "Winters" With Go Katz is ( )

Then when I had to take communion this d00d was all like "Winters (Go Katz) this is the body of christ" No Lie.

[steve dave]

Went to church with my grandma Sunday morning. Well they gave you stickers to put your name on. I told the lady to put "Winters" With Go Katz is ( )

Then when I had to take communion this d00d was all like "Winters (Go Katz) this is the body of christ" No Lie.

You have a very high amount of sacrilegious EMAW

[cyclist]

Went to church with my grandma Sunday morning. Well they gave you stickers to put your name on. I told the lady to put "Winters" With Go Katz is ( )

Then when I had to take communion this d00d was all like "Winters (Go Katz) this is the body of christ" No Lie.

               

[jeffy]

I don't get how Christians think they can drink all week and frack all week and then come Sunday they are "forgiven" just because they dressed up, went to church, spaced out for 45 minutes during the sermon, and then give the church $5.

They can't.  Christmas-Easter-Sunday Christians don't pass the mustard.  Living a Christian life means living it between Sundays as well.

[Pike]

I don't get how Christians think they can drink all week and frack all week and then come Sunday they are "forgiven" just because they dressed up, went to church, spaced out for 45 minutes during the sermon, and then give the church $5.

They can't.  Christmas-Easter-Sunday Christians don't pass the mustard.  Living a Christian life means living it between Sundays as well.

That's what I'm saying. I know a handful of people that go to church, but during the week don't "pass the mustard" as you say. It's almost laughable how hypocritical the whole thing is.

[steve dave]

I am fairly religious, or whatever, but I don't think I would be comfortable trying to tell someone to believe what I believe instead of what they do or don't believe.  I mean, who am I to say that someone's relationship with their God or lack of God or whatever is any less valid than my own.  What you believe basically comes down to what you were exposed to growing up or at some receptive point in your life.  

[Winters]

I am fairly religious, or whatever, but I don't think I would be comfortable trying to tell someone to believe what I believe instead of what they do or don't believe.  I mean, who am I to say that someone's relationship with their God or lack of God or whatever is any less valid than my own.  What you believe basically comes down to what you were exposed to growing up or at some receptive point in your life.  

[fatty fat fat]

what do u guys think of buddhism?  pretty cool right?  all that zen, incense, temples, monks, good luck, etc?

i think i have the coolest religion.

wrong. muslim is better. 1 billion strong, and growing.  

i'm porud to be islam. we have the best religion, and are taking over the world.

I am fairly religious, or whatever, but I don't think I would be comfortable trying to tell someone to believe what I believe instead of what they do or don't believe.  I mean, who am I to say that someone's relationship with their God or lack of God or whatever is any less valid than my own.  What you believe basically comes down to what you were exposed to growing up or at some receptive point in your life. 

 

[rundown87]

I don't get how Christians think they can drink all week and frack all week and then come Sunday they are "forgiven" just because they dressed up, went to church, spaced out for 45 minutes during the sermon, and then give the church $5.

Ehh, that's just Catholics and Lutherans, I don't know why they think if they go to church every sunday that means they will go to heaven.  It's more than that. . .but less than that.  Going to church has nothing to do with it, really.  I feel like "traditional" churches are pointless.  The only reason to actually go to church I think is to learn more about the Bible, whereas if you go to a "traditional" church, i.e. catholic or Lutheran, all you do is go there, say hi to everyone, sing a song, say scripted responses to whatever the priest says, sing a song, tithe, listen to him read 1 verse from the bible, sing a song, then leave.  If you go to a church like the ones you see on TV, those are really the ones that have a point, because they are really the ones teaching the bible, rather than just reading a scripture then sending you on your way.

[catzacker]

I'm thinking of becoming a unitarian. 

is that the one where you don't have  male or female parts down there?

[michigancat]

I'm thinking of becoming a unitarian. 

is that the one where you don't have  male or female parts down there?

LOL!  seriously.

SD would like it.

[Pete]

I don't get how Christians think they can drink all week and frack all week and then come Sunday they are "forgiven" just because they dressed up, went to church, spaced out for 45 minutes during the sermon, and then give the church $5.

Ehh, that's just Catholics and Lutherans, I don't know why they think if they go to church every sunday that means they will go to heaven.  It's more than that. . .but less than that.  Going to church has nothing to do with it, really.  I feel like "traditional" churches are pointless.  The only reason to actually go to church I think is to learn more about the Bible, whereas if you go to a "traditional" church, i.e. catholic or Lutheran, all you do is go there, say hi to everyone, sing a song, say scripted responses to whatever the priest says, sing a song, tithe, listen to him read 1 verse from the bible, sing a song, then leave.  If you go to a church like the ones you see on TV, those are really the ones that have a point, because they are really the ones teaching the bible, rather than just reading a scripture then sending you on your way.

GMAFB.

"Teaching the Bible?"  Do you know that the "teacher" and version of the text (there are many DRASTICALLY different versions) can radically change the message?

Catholics, Lutherans...and I'll also count Episcopals, Presbyterians, and Methodists are what is MOST reasonable and sane about Christianity these days.  It's the evangelicals and/or charismatics (you know, the Morton building or strip mall churches) that are most frightening in their crazy rhetoric and political mobilizing.

[rundown87]

GMAFB.

"Teaching the Bible?"  Do you know that the "teacher" and version of the text (there are many DRASTICALLY different versions) can radically change the message?

Catholics, Lutherans...and I'll also count Episcopals, Presbyterians, and Methodists are what is MOST reasonable and sane about Christianity these days.  It's the evangelicals and/or charismatics (you know, the Morton building or strip mall churches) that are most frightening in their crazy rhetoric and political mobilizing.

. . .what do you learn when you go to a catholic church?  Oh, I remembered to say "and also with you" after he said "Peace be with you."  You learn practically nothing.  And, I am not a member of a Lutheran or Catholic church, so they won't allow me to take communion with them?  Why is that?  I believe in the Sacrament, shouldn't that allow me to be able to take communion?  But they won't allow me to do it there because I'm not a card carrying member?  That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.  That seems very unreasonable to me.

[catzacker]

GMAFB.

"Teaching the Bible?"  Do you know that the "teacher" and version of the text (there are many DRASTICALLY different versions) can radically change the message?

Catholics, Lutherans...and I'll also count Episcopals, Presbyterians, and Methodists are what is MOST reasonable and sane about Christianity these days.  It's the evangelicals and/or charismatics (you know, the Morton building or strip mall churches) that are most frightening in their crazy rhetoric and political mobilizing.

. . .what do you learn when you go to a catholic church?  Oh, I remembered to say "and also with you" after he said "Peace be with you."  You learn practically nothing.  And, I am not a member of a Lutheran or Catholic church, so they won't allow me to take communion with them?  Why is that?  I believe in the Sacrament, shouldn't that allow me to be able to take communion?  But they won't allow me to do it there because I'm not a card carrying member?  That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.  That seems very unreasonable to me.

you want to know what's really stupid, getting pissed about not being able to eat bread.  mcdonald's is open, go in there, get a biscuit, say a prayer and take a bite.

[rundown87]

GMAFB.

"Teaching the Bible?"  Do you know that the "teacher" and version of the text (there are many DRASTICALLY different versions) can radically change the message?

Catholics, Lutherans...and I'll also count Episcopals, Presbyterians, and Methodists are what is MOST reasonable and sane about Christianity these days.  It's the evangelicals and/or charismatics (you know, the Morton building or strip mall churches) that are most frightening in their crazy rhetoric and political mobilizing.

. . .what do you learn when you go to a catholic church?  Oh, I remembered to say "and also with you" after he said "Peace be with you."  You learn practically nothing.  And, I am not a member of a Lutheran or Catholic church, so they won't allow me to take communion with them?  Why is that?  I believe in the Sacrament, shouldn't that allow me to be able to take communion?  But they won't allow me to do it there because I'm not a card carrying member?  That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.  That seems very unreasonable to me.

you want to know what's really stupid, getting pissed about not being able to eat bread.  mcdonald's is open, go in there, get a biscuit, say a prayer and take a bite.

bread???  FREE WINE!!

[LimestoneOutcropping]

GMAFB.

"Teaching the Bible?"  Do you know that the "teacher" and version of the text (there are many DRASTICALLY different versions) can radically change the message?

Catholics, Lutherans...and I'll also count Episcopals, Presbyterians, and Methodists are what is MOST reasonable and sane about Christianity these days.  It's the evangelicals and/or charismatics (you know, the Morton building or strip mall churches) that are most frightening in their crazy rhetoric and political mobilizing.

. . .what do you learn when you go to a catholic church?  Oh, I remembered to say "and also with you" after he said "Peace be with you."  You learn practically nothing.  And, I am not a member of a Lutheran or Catholic church, so they won't allow me to take communion with them?  Why is that?  I believe in the Sacrament, shouldn't that allow me to be able to take communion?  But they won't allow me to do it there because I'm not a card carrying member?  That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.  That seems very unreasonable to me.

you want to know what's really stupid, getting pissed about not being able to eat bread.  mcdonald's is open, go in there, get a biscuit, say a prayer and take a bite.

bread???  FREE WINE!!

Name one church that lets anyone (except the youth group members that some older dude is trying to poke) drink win in church.

That is the oldest attempt at "catholics trying to be cool" since they chose to align themselves with hitler and the nazis.

[rundown87]

Name one church that lets anyone (except the youth group members that some older dude is trying to poke) drink win in church.

That is the oldest attempt at "catholics trying to be cool" since they chose to align themselves with hitler and the nazis.

There are a lot of churches that have wine as communion.

[LimestoneOutcropping]

Name one church that lets anyone (except the youth group members that some older dude is trying to poke) drink win in church.

That is the oldest attempt at "catholics trying to be cool" since they chose to align themselves with hitler and the nazis.

There are a lot of churches that have wine as communion.

Name 3.