"Genius" x's and o's coach Frank Martin

[steve dave]

And if Dom was our 3rd RSCI guy remember that he only played half a season.

Yeah, we're GIVING them that.  Pretty much Frank + Bill + Mike destroyed ku.....redic. now that trips lays it down like that

[72hawk]

Texas had 6 RSCI (2 frosh), ku had 10 (1 frosh). Of course, clown ku fan expected us to finish above those two teams.

Frank had 3, all freshmen and utterly destroyed ku. The guy is an X's and O's genius.

Fair points.  but no one really expects you to finish above ku and UT.  But you finishing third in the standings really doesn't tell the tale of how well you performed after you owned ku at home.  didn't you guys drop six of your last eleven conference games and screw the pooch in the Big 12 tourney pretty. sure dom was around by then. 

Not meaning to fame, just saying it's funny to hear a team talk about having NO talent, and brag about the #1 recruiting class in the country.   

[fatty fat fat]

the big 12 tournament appearance was a bit disappointing. I don't care how we did in a certain part of the season, I care about the season as a whole. Any team looks bad if you pick out a certain piece.

We didn't end badly as we did fine in the NCAA tournament. An example of ending a season Hadley is the 2004-2005 Jayhawks, coached by Bill Self. A team with much more talent than the 07-08 cats.

[michigancat]

fats, that was a fresh look on a real special moment.  thanks.

[KSUWFIP]

Not meaning to fame, just saying it's funny to hear a team talk about having NO talent, and brag about the #1 recruiting class in the country.   

Question for you.... are you an 11-15 Hawk, or an 8-18 Hawk?  1972 was a pretty pathetic year for ku, whether it was 71-72 or 72-73. 

[yosh]

the defensive specialist 3* Andre Gilbert...

 

[catdude33]

the defensive specialist 3* Andre Gilbert...

 

he was the humor specialist.

[phog0731]

I know you guys are new to this whole basketball thing, but the stupidity in this thread is overwhelming.

You try to use one game to prove that Self is a "bad coach". Since this is probably the second year most of you followed basketball (kusucks I'm looking at you), I'll let you in on a secret: talented teams lose games. Flukes happen. This is basketball, not football. ku had less losses than any championship team in 10 years. Was ku the most talented team of the last 10 years? No. Roy Williams had several teams at ku with as much talent or more talent than last years team.

Recruiting is part of coaching. Bill Self is easily a top 5 college basketball coach, and will leave ku with several more titles.

When the biggest win in the last 20 years of your team's history is a home win over your rival, you know your program is in shambles. I can understand the interest in hoops now that Prince has run your football team into the ground, but try learning a little bit about the sport before you open your mouth next time.

[cas]

Flukes happen.

Like, last year starting in September?

[catdude33]

I know you guys are new to this whole basketball thing, but the stupidity in this thread is overwhelming.

You try to use one game to prove that Self is a "bad coach". Since this is probably the second year most of you followed basketball (kusucks I'm looking at you), I'll let you in on a secret: talented teams lose games. Flukes happen. This is basketball, not football. ku had less losses than any championship team in 10 years. Was ku the most talented team of the last 10 years? No. Roy Williams had several teams at ku with as much talent or more talent than last years team.

Recruiting is part of coaching. Bill Self is easily a top 5 college basketball coach, and will leave ku with several more titles.

When the biggest win in the last 20 years of your team's history is a home win over your rival, you know your program is in shambles. I can understand the interest in hoops now that Prince has run your football team into the ground, but try learning a little bit about the sport before you open your mouth next time.

Too long, won't read.  Try to make your point in 3 sentences or less.

[pissclams]

Not meaning to fame, just saying it's funny to hear a team talk about having NO talent, and brag about the #1 recruiting class in the country.   

Question for you.... are you an 11-15 Hawk, or an 8-18 Hawk?  1972 was a pretty pathetic year for ku, whether it was 71-72 or 72-73. 

"cub of the day" post award, i LOL'd   



and fatty destroyed this thread, great work on the    board f³ , i never saw it coming

[fatty fat fat]

Not meaning to fame, just saying it's funny to hear a team talk about having NO talent, and brag about the #1 recruiting class in the country.   

Question for you.... are you an 11-15 Hawk, or an 8-18 Hawk?  1972 was a pretty pathetic year for ku, whether it was 71-72 or 72-73. 

"cub of the day" post award, i LOL'd   



and fatty destroyed this thread, great work on the    board f³ , i never saw it coming

Hadley

 

[doom]

I know you guys are new to this whole basketball thing, but the stupidity in this thread is overwhelming.

You try to use one game to prove that Self is a "bad coach". Since this is probably the second year most of you followed basketball (kusucks I'm looking at you), I'll let you in on a secret: talented teams lose games. Flukes happen. This is basketball, not football. ku had less losses than any championship team in 10 years. Was ku the most talented team of the last 10 years? No. Roy Williams had several teams at ku with as much talent or more talent than last years team.

Recruiting is part of coaching. Bill Self is easily a top 5 college basketball coach, and will leave ku with several more titles.

When the biggest win in the last 20 years of your team's history is a home win over your rival, you know your program is in shambles. I can understand the interest in hoops now that Prince has run your football team into the ground, but try learning a little bit about the sport before you open your mouth next time.

I'm going to let you in on a secret.  I'm you real father.  Also, There were 2 games you should be ashamed of(according to your standards.)  OSU is the other one.  But I wasn't just speaking about those games.  Think back throughout the Self years.  Oral Roberts last year.  Bradley and Bucknell, Georgia Tech and UCLA in Elite 8 appearances.  Self has had more shots with supperior talent than it took to get to a final four.  My point stands.  Peace.

[YoungHawk]

man that game was sweet, I've got the ticket in a frame along with my parking ticket I received for parking in the grass.  Which is right next to my Beasley & Walker signed basketball!!

I've got a framed picture of The Shot from the Nat'l Championship. The real one, not the one you thought you won on Jan. 30. And it is right next to my Rock Chalk Championship poster! Alright!!!

[ksu98]

Actually I don't think Frank does to much xs and o'n he doesn't have to when he gets the Jimmy's and Joe's

[EliteHawk]

Actually I don't think Frank does to much xs and o'n he doesn't have to when he gets the Jimmy's and Joe's

He's going to have to do some x's and o's coaching next year with a lineup of:

PG: Pullen
SG: Awaji
SF: Sutton
PF: Kent
C: Anderson

Bench: Clemente, Brown, Herrera, Samuels, etc.


That team might not be that bad, but he'll have to get the most out of them to reach the NCAA tournament.

[steve dave]

Actually I don't think Frank does to much xs and o'n he doesn't have to when he gets the Jimmy's and Joe's

He's going to have to do some x's and o's coaching next year with a lineup of:

PG: Pullen
SG: Awaji
SF: Sutton
PF: Kent
C: Anderson

Bench: Clemente, Brown, Herrera, Samuels, etc.


That team might not be that bad, but he'll have to get the most out of them to reach the NCAA tournament.

Agreed, Frank should be coach of the year if we make the tourney.  If ku were to not make it after coming off the tourney win Self should be fired.  Just my two cents.

[EliteHawk]

K-State is still the 2nd-best team in the North next year.  ku will be a bit down next year as well.  If K-State manages to take care of business at home, you guys will have a good shot at the tourney.  Should be interesting to see how guys like Pullen, Clemente, Samuels, Sutton, and Anderson develop. 

[steve dave]

K-State is still the 2nd-best team in the North next year... I obviously like what ku still has with Colins and Aldrich and what we're bringing in next year.  If K-State manages to take care of business at home and post a winning record against the Iowa State's of the world, you guys will have a good shot at the tourney.  Should be interesting to see how guys like Pullen, Clemente, Samuels, Sutton, and Anderson develop. 

I talked to a ku grad the other day at the Blue Moose in KC and asked him how ku was going to be in hoops next year and his response was, "Awesome!"  I kinda looked at him for a second and was all, "Oh yeah?  Even after losing all that talent?" and he was all, "Yep, should win the Big 12 pretty easy!" and I was all, "OK".  Do all ku fans think you guys are going to be really good this season?  Seems kinda like a long shot with all the starters gone even with the decent 'cruitin class.  I mean, look at Florida this season.  Similar situation imo. 

[EliteHawk]

ku won't be as bad as Florida was last season... if the Morris twins qualify, I think ku could be an Elite Eight team. 

[steve dave]

ku won't be as bad as Florida was last season... if the Morris twins qualify, I think ku could be an Elite Eight team. 

See, that's what I'm hearing....just don't see it I guess 

[yosh]

just don't see it I guess 

That's because it's silly. 

[EliteHawk]

There's a difference between expecting ku to make the Elite Eight and saying their capable of making the Elite Eight.  I have relatively low expectations and will be happy if they get past the first couple rounds of the tourney.  Anything beyond that is gravy.  College basketball could be a bit down next year, especially the Big 12.  ku has the potential to be pretty good by the time March rolls around, IMO. 

[steve dave]

especially the Big 12

OU has to be feeling pretty good going into the season.  The nortards could be even weaker than usual.

[yosh]

I see ku being about as good as K-State was last year.  They will have some moments, but they won't be any real threat to do anything.  The one thing they will have going for them, is that there is no ku 2008 in the conference.

[yoman]

I see ku being about as good as K-State was last year.  They will have some moments, but they won't be any real threat to do anything.  The one thing they will have going for them, is that there is no ku 2008 in the conference.

no but i still see OU winning the conference. ku and Texas at 2nd and 3rd. A&M and Us Fighting for 4th and 5th. and Nebraska and Baylor to be the 2 Conference's Dark Horses. The rest of the conference will most likely be LOL able

[Andy]

the next time bill self does anything of signifigance without cheating/probation/sleazy recruiting/thugs will be the first time.  good for him though.

[fatty fat fat]

J/W, what is your favorite example of Frank's genius X's and O's?

Mine has to be "the play" he called vs ku when we led 55-45. You can see him calm down the offense and call a play. Pullen drives, attracts 3 hawks and he dishes it off to beasley for the slam. You can see Pullen then look at Frank, while Frank points back at J-Pul kind of like, "Yeah, that was my play call. You are nothing w/o my genius"

It was pretty sweet. Just incredible how frank undressed Self that night.

TTT

great post, "fatty fat fat"

[hemmy]

He has regressed this year, JMO

Last year he had some "Best in the biz" in bounds plays, this year we get 5 second calls

[sys]

this year we get 5 second calls

merrsey is a legit retard at inbounding.