question to resident "nutritioninst"

[fatty fat fat]

Wouldn't like, 15 apples worth 500 calories have the same effect as 3 tacos (from t-bell) worth 500 calories? (weight/gain/loss)

I mean, isn't calories all that really matters? It's just basic energy laws, no?

[steve dave]

Correct (sd is non nutritionist).  Weight gain/loss comes down to calories taken in vs. calories expended.  The only thing that can alter this is the fact that some calories are not fully absorbed because of fiber content.  The apples will have a lot more fiber and they will cause some of the calories to not be absorbed into your system. 

[fatty fat fat]

some calories are not fully absorbed because of fiber content.  The apples will have a lot more fiber and they will cause some of the calories to not be absorbed into your system.

 


Thx tho. Would be nice to take a bio-chem course to learn about all that sh1t (protein, amino acids...ummm..and that other stuff)

[Duncan]

True.

But it is easier to throw down 3 tacos than 15 apples in one sitting. 

[steve dave]

True.

But it is easier to throw down 3 tacos than 15 apples in one sitting. 

Ya, and delicious'er too.  Who eats apples anyway?  It's like...work. 

[pissclams]

fruit is for retards

[Dirty Sanchez]

fruit is for retards

Keep believing that while I go to the future in-laws and pick fresh strawberries, blueberries, raspberries and blackberries all spring and summer long.   

[jeffy]

fruit is for retards

Keep believing that while I go to the future in-laws and pick fresh strawberries, blueberries, raspberries and blackberries all spring and summer long.   

You suck*

*at least until you bring me a bucket full

[Saulbadguy]

calories not all that matters really, gotta figure out where the calories come from: protein, fat or carbohydrates.  300 Calories from a nutty bar is worst for you than 300 calories from spinach cause spinach contains complex carbs, and proteins that will make you full longer.

[Bullfn33]

calories not all that matters really, gotta figure out where the calories come from: protein, fat or carbohydrates.  300 Calories from a nutty bar is worst for you than 300 calories from spinach cause spinach contains complex carbs, and proteins that will make you full longer.

This is pretty good advice.  Calories are overrated.  It's more about where the calories come from and what's(nutrients) in them.  A taco is basically empty carbs, some saturated fat, sodium and some protein; it's a dead food.  An apple is a nutritionally dense live food though it doesn't have any protein.  It will fill you up and suppress your appy.     

Nutrients found in Apple*:
Fiber
Ellagic acid
Bioflavonoids
Pectin
Chlorogenic acid
Caffeic acid
Malic acid
Potassium
Alpha-carotene
Vitamin C
Sulfur
Phosphorus
Magnesium
Iron
Tannins

Notes about Apple*:
Important nutrients are found in the apple skin.
Apples can help suppress the appetite. Apples are antibacterial, antiviral and anti-inflammatory.
Apple is a detoxifying fruit.

[pissclams]

interesting that 'fatty fat fat' started the thread right after I posted the thread with the fat iraqi kid dancing in it.  coincidence? LOL I think not!

[steve dave]

This is pretty good advice.  Calories are overrated.  It's more about where the calories come from and what's(nutrients) in them.    

This is BS.  The question was in regards to weight gain/loss only.  When you start throwing in other nutritional factors of course the crapty tasting thing is going to be better for you.  But, weight gain and loss comes down to calories taken in v. calories burned exclusively.  Of course the apple is going to make you feel better and want to burn more calories but that is irrelevant to the question.

[cyclist]

Notes about Apple*:
Important nutrients are found in the apple skin.
Apples can help suppress the appetite. Apples are antibacterial, antiviral and anti-inflammatory.
Apple is a detoxifying fruit.

An apple a day keeps the doctor away...

[Saulbadguy]

This is pretty good advice.  Calories are overrated.  It's more about where the calories come from and what's(nutrients) in them.    

This is BS.  The question was in regards to weight gain/loss only.  When you start throwing in other nutritional factors of course the crapty tasting thing is going to be better for you.  But, weight gain and loss comes down to calories taken in v. calories burned exclusively.  Of course the apple is going to make you feel better and want to burn more calories but that is irrelevant to the question.

I don't think it's really irrelevant.  Try eating 1800 calories a day of only twinkies and see what happens to your body. 

[steve dave]

This is pretty good advice.  Calories are overrated.  It's more about where the calories come from and what's(nutrients) in them.    

This is BS.  The question was in regards to weight gain/loss only.  When you start throwing in other nutritional factors of course the crapty tasting thing is going to be better for you.  But, weight gain and loss comes down to calories taken in v. calories burned exclusively.  Of course the apple is going to make you feel better and want to burn more calories but that is irrelevant to the question.

I don't think it's really irrelevant.  Try eating 1800 calories a day of only twinkies and see what happens to your body. 

As long as you are burning the same calories you will not gain weight.  Now, your teeth may fall out, you may not want to do as much exercise (hence causing weight gain), you will get scurvy, you will feel crapty all the time...but your weight will be the same all things being equal.

[fatty fat fat]

Horsesh1t.

I eat an apple and it doesn't do sh1t. It doesn't suppress any appetite. I eat a taco? You actually feel like you ate something.

assholes.

I think Saulbadguy (ksufans.com poster) is mixing up health and weight gain/loss. JMO.

[steve dave]

I think Saulbadguy (ksufans.com poster) is mixing up health and weight gain/loss. JMO.

exac

[Saulbadguy]

This is pretty good advice.  Calories are overrated.  It's more about where the calories come from and what's(nutrients) in them.    

This is BS.  The question was in regards to weight gain/loss only.  When you start throwing in other nutritional factors of course the crapty tasting thing is going to be better for you.  But, weight gain and loss comes down to calories taken in v. calories burned exclusively.  Of course the apple is going to make you feel better and want to burn more calories but that is irrelevant to the question.

I don't think it's really irrelevant.  Try eating 1800 calories a day of only twinkies and see what happens to your body. 

As long as you are burning the same calories you will not gain weight.  Now, your teeth may fall out, you may not want to do as much exercise (hence causing weight gain), you will get scurvy, you will feel crapty all the time...but your weight will be the same all things being equal.

You'll lose muscle mass.   

[Saulbadguy]

Horsesh1t.

I eat an apple and it doesn't do sh1t. It doesn't suppress any appetite. I eat a taco? You actually feel like you ate something.

assholes.

I think Saulbadguy (ksufans.com poster) is mixing up health and weight gain/loss. JMO.

You eat 1 taco bell taco?  That's like nothing.

[fatty fat fat]

No, I'm just saying. 3 gets the job done, 4 pref.

[pissclams]

wh0 the heck eatz tac0 b3lL anyW@yz???  esp. duriNg KK challenege.

[Saulbadguy]

No, I'm just saying. 3 gets the job done, 4 pref.

4 is around 800 calories.  1 apple is around 100.

[steve dave]

No, I'm just saying. 3 gets the job done, 4 pref.

4 is around 800 calories.  1 apple is around 100.

taco = delicious
apple = disgusting

not even a contest imo

[Saulbadguy]

No, I'm just saying. 3 gets the job done, 4 pref.

4 is around 800 calories.  1 apple is around 100.

taco = delicious
apple = disgusting

not even a contest imo

THINK YOU ARE CONFUSING TASTE W/ WEIGHT LOSS!!! 

[steve dave]

No, I'm just saying. 3 gets the job done, 4 pref.

4 is around 800 calories.  1 apple is around 100.

taco = delicious
apple = disgusting

not even a contest imo

THINK YOU ARE CONFUSING TASTE W/ WEIGHT LOSS!!! 

Destroyed....that's what my argument just got 

[fatty fat fat]

http://health.yahoo.com/news/afp/healthobesity_20090226164329.html

Eating heart-healthy, low-calorie foods and exercising is the key to losing weight regardless of levels of protein, fat or carbohydrates, a new study has found.

 

[ksudrew]

fruit is for retards

Keep believing that while I go to the future in-laws and pick a cherry fresh strawberries, blueberries, raspberries and blackberries all spring and summer long.   

umk

[Fledermaus]

At a general level, calories are equivalent.  Calories are a measure of heat when the food is completely burned in lab.  The body does not process all foods equally.  Cells prefer to burn glucose (sugar) & carbohydrates first, and will store fats for use later (if glucose levels are sufficient).  Apples are higher in sugars and will tend to be used as an immediate energy source.  Tacos, being higher in fats, will tend to be stored as fat.  Foods also have different tendencies to change blood sugar levels (glycemic index) which affects whether they will be burned or stored. 

But as long as your caloric intake of any type of food is less than your caloric expendature, no problem.  Difference between sources of calories is not great enough to worry about for most people.  It's the fouth taco that is the problem.

[AzCat]

http://www.jissn.com/content/1/2/21

Young et al. compared 3 isoenergetic (1,800 kcal/day) and isoprotein (115 g/day) diets differing in carbohydrate content (30, 60, and 104 g/day) [22]. After 9 weeks on the 30-g, 60-g, and 104-g carbohydrate diets, weight loss was 16.2, 12.8, and 11.9 kilograms and fat accounted for 95%, 84%, and 75% of the weight loss, respectively.

[22] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/5548734?dopt=Abstract&holding=f1000,f1000m,isrctn

That's pretty dated though, anyone have any more recent references to similar isocaloric studies? 

[Thin Blue Line]

You all seem to forget that eating 15 apples, instead of 3 tacos, could very well result in rapid weight loss. If you've ever eaten more that a couple of apples at a sitting, you'll know of what I speak: