Viva Bush!

[jeffy]

God.... I hate the Middle East.  I wish it was gone forever.  If it didn't have oil, it would be a total waste of space on the map.  Even The Sudan has more use than the Middle East.

[Kat Kid]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-09-26-insurgents_N.htm

19,000 Iraqi insurgents killed since 2003
4,000 American soldiers

Yeah, that's total ass-kicking right by the terrorists right there 

If you want to see an ass kicking, check out the kill ratio in 'Nam!  TOTALLY AWESOME!  We rocked that one.

Tard.

we weren't "losing" the Vietnam war until after 1969 when JFK started withdrawing troops.  like the war today, winning won't come at a defenite time, it will take DECADES to restore order and bring up the infrastructure. withdrawing a majority of the troops now would be foolish.

Generals on the ground in Afganistan and Iraq are being second-guessed by politicians who are responding to poll numbers which reflect the information (or disinformation) distributed by the media.

LOL.  How could JFK withdraw troops 6 years in the grave?

No need to respond to the rest of your drivel.

[Kat Kid]

God.... I hate the Middle East.  I wish it was gone forever.  If it didn't have oil, it would be a total waste of space on the map.  Even The Sudan has more use than the Middle East.

I don't know, that is really stretching it.

[catzacker]

We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.

you're a f*cking idiot.  ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere.  look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded.  let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?

I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death.  I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed.  I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq.  But not for a second do I think about the iraqis. 

yeah, you could say, "well there are probably more terrorists in Afghanistan cuz that's what i've been told", just keep letting the left idiots feed you with crap via the media. the same goes with right media, i don't listen to that sh*t either, i take it from first hand accounts, such as soldiers and officers.  it's the middle east, there are terrorists everywhere, your logic is retarded.  we need to finish the job because it is the "war on terrorism".

I don't really care about anything you just said.  There was zero need to go into iraq.  zero.  the need was in afghanistan (and still is btw).  the US gained nothing from going to war in iraq except 4K dead soldiers, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, and it increased fuel costs.  that's it.  

[kstate16]

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2007-09-26-insurgents_N.htm

19,000 Iraqi insurgents killed since 2003
4,000 American soldiers

Yeah, that's total ass-kicking right by the terrorists right there 

If you want to see an ass kicking, check out the kill ratio in 'Nam!  TOTALLY AWESOME!  We rocked that one.

Tard.

we weren't "losing" the Vietnam war until after 1969 when JFK started withdrawing troops.  like the war today, winning won't come at a defenite time, it will take DECADES to restore order and bring up the infrastructure. withdrawing a majority of the troops now would be foolish.

Generals on the ground in Afganistan and Iraq are being second-guessed by politicians who are responding to poll numbers which reflect the information (or disinformation) distributed by the media.

LOL.  How could JFK withdraw troops 6 years in the grave?

No need to respond to the rest of your drivel.

pulled a BMW, btw nixon and ford, beside the point, read the "drivel" and u might learn something

[kstate16]

We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.

you're a f*cking idiot.  ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere.  look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded.  let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?

I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death.  I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed.  I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq.  But not for a second do I think about the iraqis. 

yeah, you could say, "well there are probably more terrorists in Afghanistan cuz that's what i've been told", just keep letting the left idiots feed you with crap via the media. the same goes with right media, i don't listen to that sh*t either, i take it from first hand accounts, such as soldiers and officers.  it's the middle east, there are terrorists everywhere, your logic is retarded.  we need to finish the job because it is the "war on terrorism".

I don't really care about anything you just said.  There was zero need to go into iraq.  zero.  the need was in afghanistan (and still is btw).  the US gained nothing from going to war in iraq except 4K dead soldiers, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, and it increased fuel costs.  that's it. 

Suddam Hussein was a terrorist, true or false? why is there a need in afghanistan? do you (one random person) have some special information that the most powerful military in the world happen to look past? humor me, please.

here's a fact- war is expensive, deal with it. you know the real reason we're in Iraq right now? it's oil. and it's going to take a lot of money to get that oil. 

[Kat Kid]

You're right fudging a Presidential record by 1.5 terms (and reanimation to boot!) is a minor detail.

[kstate16]

You're right fudging a Presidential record by 1.5 terms (and reanimation to boot!) is a minor detail.

considering my point? yes its minor.

[Oklahoma_Cat]

We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.

you're a f*cking idiot.  ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere.  look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded.  let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?

I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death.  I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed.  I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq.  But not for a second do I think about the iraqis. 

yeah, you could say, "well there are probably more terrorists in Afghanistan cuz that's what i've been told", just keep letting the left idiots feed you with crap via the media. the same goes with right media, i don't listen to that sh*t either, i take it from first hand accounts, such as soldiers and officers.  it's the middle east, there are terrorists everywhere, your logic is retarded.  we need to finish the job because it is the "war on terrorism".

I don't really care about anything you just said.  There was zero need to go into iraq.  zero.  the need was in afghanistan (and still is btw).  the US gained nothing from going to war in iraq except 4K dead soldiers, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, and it increased fuel costs.  that's it. 

Suddam Hussein was a terrorist, true or false? why is there a need in afghanistan? do you (one random person) have some special information that the most powerful military in the world happen to look past? humor me, please.

here's a fact- war is expensive, deal with it. you know the real reason we're in Iraq right now? it's oil. and it's going to take a lot of money to get that oil. 

Here's where it gets fun! 

Terrorist = someone who causes terror.  Correct?

So while you say that Saddam was a terrorist, one could also say that George Bush is a terrorist, yes?  How many Americans died because of Saddam?  How many Iraqis died because of Bush?

Exactly.

[kstate16]

We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.

you're a f*cking idiot.  ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere.  look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded.  let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?

I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death.  I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed.  I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq.  But not for a second do I think about the iraqis. 

yeah, you could say, "well there are probably more terrorists in Afghanistan cuz that's what i've been told", just keep letting the left idiots feed you with crap via the media. the same goes with right media, i don't listen to that sh*t either, i take it from first hand accounts, such as soldiers and officers.  it's the middle east, there are terrorists everywhere, your logic is retarded.  we need to finish the job because it is the "war on terrorism".

I don't really care about anything you just said.  There was zero need to go into iraq.  zero.  the need was in afghanistan (and still is btw).  the US gained nothing from going to war in iraq except 4K dead soldiers, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, and it increased fuel costs.  that's it. 

Suddam Hussein was a terrorist, true or false? why is there a need in afghanistan? do you (one random person) have some special information that the most powerful military in the world happen to look past? humor me, please.

here's a fact- war is expensive, deal with it. you know the real reason we're in Iraq right now? it's oil. and it's going to take a lot of money to get that oil. 

Here's where it gets fun! 

Terrorist = someone who causes terror.  Correct?

So while you say that Saddam was a terrorist, one could also say that George Bush is a terrorist, yes?  How many Americans died because of Saddam?  How many Iraqis died because of Bush?

Exactly.

lol you can't be serious. a more intelligent deffinition of a "terrorist" would be someone who causes terror by killing innocent people.

[Oklahoma_Cat]

We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.

you're a f*cking idiot.  ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere.  look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded.  let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?

I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death.  I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed.  I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq.  But not for a second do I think about the iraqis. 

yeah, you could say, "well there are probably more terrorists in Afghanistan cuz that's what i've been told", just keep letting the left idiots feed you with crap via the media. the same goes with right media, i don't listen to that sh*t either, i take it from first hand accounts, such as soldiers and officers.  it's the middle east, there are terrorists everywhere, your logic is retarded.  we need to finish the job because it is the "war on terrorism".

I don't really care about anything you just said.  There was zero need to go into iraq.  zero.  the need was in afghanistan (and still is btw).  the US gained nothing from going to war in iraq except 4K dead soldiers, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, and it increased fuel costs.  that's it. 

Suddam Hussein was a terrorist, true or false? why is there a need in afghanistan? do you (one random person) have some special information that the most powerful military in the world happen to look past? humor me, please.

here's a fact- war is expensive, deal with it. you know the real reason we're in Iraq right now? it's oil. and it's going to take a lot of money to get that oil. 

Here's where it gets fun! 

Terrorist = someone who causes terror.  Correct?

So while you say that Saddam was a terrorist, one could also say that George Bush is a terrorist, yes?  How many Americans died because of Saddam?  How many Iraqis died because of Bush?

Exactly.

lol you can't be serious. a more intelligent deffinition of a "terrorist" would be someone who causes terror by killing innocent people.

As I said....George Bush is also a terrorist, even by your definition.  Name-calling is fun!

The FACT is that invading Iraq was a horrible decision from the beginning, and is still a horrible decision, no matter how much you want to spin it.  There is no way to "win" a warn on an idea through warfare.

[kstate16]

We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.

you're a f*cking idiot.  ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere.  look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded.  let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?

I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death.  I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed.  I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq.  But not for a second do I think about the iraqis. 

yeah, you could say, "well there are probably more terrorists in Afghanistan cuz that's what i've been told", just keep letting the left idiots feed you with crap via the media. the same goes with right media, i don't listen to that sh*t either, i take it from first hand accounts, such as soldiers and officers.  it's the middle east, there are terrorists everywhere, your logic is retarded.  we need to finish the job because it is the "war on terrorism".

I don't really care about anything you just said.  There was zero need to go into iraq.  zero.  the need was in afghanistan (and still is btw).  the US gained nothing from going to war in iraq except 4K dead soldiers, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, and it increased fuel costs.  that's it. 

Suddam Hussein was a terrorist, true or false? why is there a need in afghanistan? do you (one random person) have some special information that the most powerful military in the world happen to look past? humor me, please.

here's a fact- war is expensive, deal with it. you know the real reason we're in Iraq right now? it's oil. and it's going to take a lot of money to get that oil. 

Here's where it gets fun! 

Terrorist = someone who causes terror.  Correct?

So while you say that Saddam was a terrorist, one could also say that George Bush is a terrorist, yes?  How many Americans died because of Saddam?  How many Iraqis died because of Bush?

Exactly.

lol you can't be serious. a more intelligent deffinition of a "terrorist" would be someone who causes terror by killing innocent people.

As I said....George Bush is also a terrorist, even by your definition.  Name-calling is fun!

The FACT is that invading Iraq was a horrible decision from the beginning, and is still a horrible decision, no matter how much you want to spin it.  There is no way to "win" a warn on an idea through warfare.

No, i agree with this.  not the terrorist thing, that argument is ridiculous. btw, it is impossible to defeat an idea through warfare, that's why i think it's not the real reason we're there, it's for oil.  but what pissed me off from the beginning is fatty saying that the Iraqis were "winning", but the fact of the matter is, we're still in there country, and we still have power.

[Oklahoma_Cat]

We have NO power in Iraq.  Stop watching fox, seriously.

[kstate16]

We have NO power in Iraq.  Stop watching fox, seriously.

haha omg. we took over their country in like 2 f*cking weeks. as i said earlier, i don't watch either the right or left side news. there is no moderate media coverage on the war.

[jeffy]

If we'd quit being so PC and just go through Sadr City with bulldozers, things could improve greatly.

[sys]

you know the real reason we're in Iraq right now? it's oil. and it's going to take a lot of money to get that oil. 

the iraqis were selling the oil prior to the war.  to anyone with cash.   free market.  it was cheap.

[sys]

a more intelligent deffinition of a "terrorist" would be someone who causes terror by killing innocent people.

lol.  awesome.

[jmlynch1]

Dirty bombs inside animals. This is how wars should be won.

[Kat Kid]

I'm still smiling about kstate16 explaining to us how we would have totally won the Vietnam War if it wasn't for that scallywag JFK starting to draw down troops in '69.

[AzCat]

God.... I hate the Middle East.  I wish it was gone forever.  If it didn't have oil, it would be a total waste of space on the map.  Even The Sudan has more use than the Middle East.

Just nuke everything from the eastern edge of Israel to the western edge of India.  Halliburton will be glad to drill through the glowing green glassy substance covering the ground afterwards and a bit of trace radiation won't hurt the oil at all.

Oh, and more US soldiers died during Clinton's years in office than will during Bush's two terms despite the fact that under Bush they're fighting two wars.  Save soldiers, elect conservatives!

[Kat Kid]

God.... I hate the Middle East.  I wish it was gone forever.  If it didn't have oil, it would be a total waste of space on the map.  Even The Sudan has more use than the Middle East.

Just nuke everything from the eastern edge of Israel to the western edge of India.  Halliburton will be glad to drill through the glowing green glassy substance covering the ground afterwards and a bit of trace radiation won't hurt the oil at all.

Oh, and more US soldiers died during Clinton's years in office than will during Bush's two terms despite the fact that under Bush they're fighting two wars.  Save soldiers, elect conservatives!

Combat casualties?

[AzCat]

God.... I hate the Middle East.  I wish it was gone forever.  If it didn't have oil, it would be a total waste of space on the map.  Even The Sudan has more use than the Middle East.

Just nuke everything from the eastern edge of Israel to the western edge of India.  Halliburton will be glad to drill through the glowing green glassy substance covering the ground afterwards and a bit of trace radiation won't hurt the oil at all.

Oh, and more US soldiers died during Clinton's years in office than will during Bush's two terms despite the fact that under Bush they're fighting two wars.  Save soldiers, elect conservatives!

Combat casualties?

Total.  Thus proving once and for all that war is less hazardous to the well-being of patriotic American military personnel than are lefty peacenik policies. 

[WildCatzPhreak]

The Iraqi war is necessary to reduce the world population so americans can have more kids without hurting the economy.

If we can find a way to do it without spending any money, we should kill everyone in the middle east.  Except Israel.  Wait, no, scratch that.  Israel too.  The jews are the worst at hording money and destroying the economy even further.

Also, if I haven't offended anyone yet, your race is inferior, your religion is false, your mother is fat, and your penis is small.

[catzacker]

We are getting our asses handed to us in Iraq. They are winning. Big time.

you're a f*cking idiot.  ask any returning soldier and ask them how we're doing. we can't help it that the f*cking coward terrorists put roadside bombs everywhere.  look up how many soldiers have actually died from combat fire, you might be dumfounded.  let me ask you this, do you think the Iraqi people are happier now than when they were under suddam's rule?

I really don't care about the iraqi people; I care more about the 4K soldiers that have died in Iraq and how an absolute lie brought their death.  I think about maybe if they were all in afghanistan that maybe less of them would have died and more actual terrorists would have been killed.  I think about how the billions of dollars spent in Iraq might have been cut in half if we had just focused on afghanistan and maybe the money that we didn't have to spend in Iraq could have been reinvested into our economy in some manner instead of into a futile effort in Iraq.  But not for a second do I think about the iraqis. 

yeah, you could say, "well there are probably more terrorists in Afghanistan cuz that's what i've been told", just keep letting the left idiots feed you with crap via the media. the same goes with right media, i don't listen to that sh*t either, i take it from first hand accounts, such as soldiers and officers.  it's the middle east, there are terrorists everywhere, your logic is retarded.  we need to finish the job because it is the "war on terrorism".

I don't really care about anything you just said.  There was zero need to go into iraq.  zero.  the need was in afghanistan (and still is btw).  the US gained nothing from going to war in iraq except 4K dead soldiers, hundreds of billions of dollars wasted, and it increased fuel costs.  that's it. 

Suddam Hussein was a terrorist, true or false? why is there a need in afghanistan? do you (one random person) have some special information that the most powerful military in the world happen to look past? humor me, please.

here's a fact- war is expensive, deal with it. you know the real reason we're in Iraq right now? it's oil. and it's going to take a lot of money to get that oil. 

Saddam was a terrorists to his own people, sure, but that has nothing to do with the US.  And it's been proven, time after time, that there was zero reason to go into Iraq....no WMD's, no active nuclear facilities, no connection to al qaeda....nothing.  All that happened is that the US invaded Iraq, lost a lot of soldiers, created alqaeda in iraq, didn't focus on afghanistan and bin laden, and raised oil prices tremendously.  We were getting that oil before we went to Iraq, cheaper than we are now as a matter of fact. 

[cireksu]

The problem with the war in Iraq/war in general in the 20th century is that the world is too puss/PC.

Now that the world economies are intertwined if some bullcrap group of nations don't like what we're doing for whatever reason they can get together (EU) and put serious pressure on our economy.

If this were 1918-1940 we'd have carpetbomed/firebomed Falluja, Basra, and baghdad, killing tens of thousands but we'd fracking own Iraq and it's oil.


In the final year or so of WWII we were essentially fighting irregular germans and we flattened city after city.

[catzacker]

The problem with the war in Iraq/war in general in the 20th century is that the world is too puss/PC.

Now that the world economies are intertwined if some bullcrap group of nations don't like what we're doing for whatever reason they can get together (EU) and put serious pressure on our economy.

If this were 1918-1940 we'd have carpetbomed/firebomed Falluja, Basra, and baghdad, killing tens of thousands but we'd fracking own Iraq and it's oil.


In the final year or so of WWII we were essentially fighting irregular germans and we flattened city after city.

QFT.  When talking about the manner at which the war is fought (not whether or not we should have even gone there).  We had to drop 2 atom bombs on Japan. 2.  Just to get them to surrender.  Non-white/anglican armies and/or regimes are entirely more resilient. 

[fatty fat fat]

Go Iraq! Can't wait till we pull out so we can claim victory!

 

[sys]

The problem with the war in Iraq/war in general in the 20th century is that the world is too puss/PC.

Now that the world economies are intertwined if some bullcrap group of nations don't like what we're doing for whatever reason they can get together (EU) and put serious pressure on our economy.

If this were 1918-1940 we'd have carpetbomed/firebomed Falluja, Basra, and baghdad, killing tens of thousands but we'd fracking own Iraq and it's oil.

war between first world countries has been economically nonviable since about 1870.  it has a lot more to do with weapons tech. than pcifcation of attitudes (although, to an extent they go hand in hand).

[PCR]

God.... I hate the Middle East.  I wish it was gone forever.  If it didn't have oil, it would be a total waste of space on the map.  Even The Sudan has more use than the Middle East.

Just nuke everything from the eastern edge of Israel to the western edge of India.  Halliburton will be glad to drill through the glowing green glassy substance covering the ground afterwards and a bit of trace radiation won't hurt the oil at all.

Oh, and more US soldiers died during Clinton's years in office than will during Bush's two terms despite the fact that under Bush they're fighting two wars.  Save soldiers, elect conservatives!

Azcat, you're a snark, aren't you?  Nobody could possibly have their head this far up their own ass. 

I'm glad somebody has pointed out the stupidity of using the term "terrorists" to talk about Iraq.  We're fighting a guerrilla war against an insurgency.  Nobody is quite sure who is on which side, but it appears that the US Military has sided with the Shiite, pro-Iranian government.   John McSame can't get his puny brain around what's going on in Iraq, so he keeps confusing Al Quaeda and Iran with the Sunni Iraqis--often implying that they are all on the same side, or that our allies are our enemy and vice versa.   Thankfully we've got a wealth of people over here who are too stupid/lazy to understand anything about what's really going on in Iraq, and why it was such a bad idea in the first place.  Fortunately the economy is tanking during an election year so enough people will come around to vote for the right side this time.  Otherwise our ignorant public would be willing to allow this war with no end to go on for 100 years.  When the Democrats finally get around to cleaning this mess up, Bush will say "see I told you it was a good idea."  Thanks for all you've done for us George! 

[steve dave]

It's like Rush Limbaugh's fat ass exploded all over the endzone dive recently or something.  Hard coming over here lately.  I miss the food related threads