This is going to get bad real soon.

[fatty fat fat]

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/commitlist.asp?SID=889&School=34&Sport=1&Year=2007

[Dan Rydell]

When do the one-star rankings come out?  Because it looks like the 4, 3, and 2-stars already have.

[Saulbadguy]

 

[chum1]

Earlier today, there was a two star (Cherry) that had been assigned his rank before an eventual three star (Aufner) had been assigned his.  So we may have to wait a bit to see exactly how it plays out.  I think it will be lots of fun to watch regardless.

[Houstoncat93]

FYI...the rankings are coming out state by state...not by stars.

[FBWillie]

FYI...the rankings are coming out state by state...not by stars.

Life makes sense again.  Thnx

[FBWillie]

Any idea when KS and TX will be ranked?

[Houstoncat93]

Not really....one of the posts said something about over the next week but I didn't see anything about exactly when.  One of the recruiting freaks at GPC.com might know.

[ksuno1stunner]

oh god.  no excuse for that.  that's terrible.  ksu recruits over the years tend to have higher stars than they should because of crabtree.  this is going worse than i thought.

here's how i think the class will finish out
bell-3
cuba-2
drinkgern-2
matthews-2
mullins-2
reed-3
rohleder-3
sonier-3
thomas-2
walls-3
whitmore-2
woods-2

&@#%ing embarassing

[sonofdaxjones]

I am sure glad stunner and fatty weren't around ... and rivals and all the recruiting services didn't exist in 1993, 1994, 1995 and 1996, becuase had stunner and fatty been around, and had rivals existed as well ... they both would've had about 4 or 5 successive years of crapting blue mud balls in FEBUARY when KSU's final recruiting rankings and star ratings were announced.

Guys like Travis Ochs, Dirk Ochs, Kevin Lockett, Nyle Wiren, Chris Canty would've gotten maybe 2 stars as a courtesy, possibly just 1 if realistic based on offers and recruiting interest.  In fact in those years, I can't think of anybody that would've received 4 stars coming out of high school.   I bet those years the high school members of the class would've been graded out by a rivals at about 1.8 to 2 stars average.

But hey stunner and Fatty are experts now.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

The offseason is the calm before the storm for Ksu.

I predict Prince is fired in three years. 

[sonofdaxjones]

And I predict the coach walking through those narrower doors at the new football offices at ku (if they're ever actually built) won't be Mark Mangino.

August ... ku stands tall before the man.

[Kat Kid]

I am sure glad stunner and fatty weren't around ... and rivals and all the recruiting services didn't exist in 1993, 1994, 1995 and 1996, becuase had stunner and fatty been around, and had rivals existed as well ... they both would've had about 4 or 5 successive years of @#%$ting blue mud balls in FEBUARY when KSU's final recruiting rankings and star ratings were announced.

Guys like Travis Ochs, Dirk Ochs, Kevin Lockett, Nyle Wiren, Chris Canty would've gotten maybe 2 stars as a courtesy, possibly just 1 if realistic based on offers and recruiting interest.  In fact in those years, I can't think of anybody that would've received 4 stars coming out of high school.   I bet those years the high school members of the class would've been graded out by a rivals at about 1.8 to 2 stars average.

But hey stunner and Fatty are experts now.

Is Bill Snyder our coach any more?  Do we have Bob and Mike Stoops running the D?  Venables?  Anyone?

No.  We have Raheem Morris.  A traveling assistant secretary to the DB coach running the D.

Do we have Mangino recruiting coordinator any more?  oh no.  That's right, Ron Prince will shine the crap off these diamonds in the rough.

He's lucky he has so much talent coming back for next year because seriously, this experiment is going very badly right now.  Badly.

"He's a recruitin' son of a gun!"

We'll be laughing at that soon.  Well, then again some people didn't think we should've fired Wooly so perhaps you'll still be this delusional then as you are now.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Admit it Dax, you'd take the manginosaur over prince any day of the week and twice on sundays.

[waks]

you're a &@#%ing tool

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

[Kat Kid]

Admit it Dax, you'd take the manginosaur over prince any day of the week and twice on sundays.

Are you serious?

Mangino was a very good assistant.  Horrible head coach, he is taking advantage of Snyder's brilliant scheduling shannanigans and consistently losing conference games.  It is fool's gold.

[chum1]

I am sure glad stunner and fatty weren't around ... and rivals and all the recruiting services didn't exist in 1993, 1994, 1995 and 1996

The truth is that none of Snyder's classes were all that impressive in terms of star rankings.  The most impressive ones contained five star JUCO players that never panned out.  I don't know why people have such distorted memories about this stuff.  It seems the GPC apologists have won this PR battle.

[GoldbrickGangBoss]

Admit it Dax, you'd take the manginosaur over prince any day of the week and twice on sundays.

Are you serious?

Mangino was a very good assistant.  Horrible head coach, he is taking advantage of Snyder's brilliant scheduling shannanigans and consistently losing conference games.  It is fool's gold.

Mangino has lead a once very poor jayhawk football team to a bowl game and increased expectations every year. He isn't a perfect head coach but he's far from horrible.

Prince has no recruiting ties in the big 12 region, no head coaching experience, and his first start in recruiting leaves a lot to be desired. He was left with a 5-6 team and must implement an entirely new system. He was never even part of the 'kstate family' while Mangino was at least involved with Ksu and snyder before Ou.

You'd honestly want Prince at your situation?

I'll ask that question again after this season. 

[fatty fat fat]

Mangino was a very good assistant.  Horrible head coach, he is taking advantage of Snyder's brilliant scheduling shannanigans and consistently losing conference games.  It is fool's gold.

heh.

[waks]

you're a &@#%ing idiot if you are talking crap on prince right now. you don't even know how things will turn out or how good of a head coach he will be. however, we know how good of a job mangino does and we would all agree that we would definitely not want him as a head coach. he  hasn't done anything really that impressive at ku and things will not go nearly as well as they did for you guys last year.

[mjrod]

All we know is that Mangino is a better head coach than Terry Allen and not anywhere near Glen Mason.  That means, ku is going to be at, best, ever.. mediocre.

[PowercatPosse]

Goldy,

Mangino is 1-16 in Big 12 games away from Lowrents.   Wow.  Yeah i want him as my head coach. 

[ksuno1stunner]

i wouldn't mind a bowl game

dax you are an idiot

what makes you think ron prince will turn all of these borderline d1 players into stars?  ferguson was one, but for the most part, virginia has underachieved considering their recruiting classes.  and to be real, i wouldn't put my money on too many 250 pound lineman turning into da brick.

you are the biggest delusional homer i have ever witnessed.  just shut the &@#% up.

[mjrod]

i wouldn't mind a bowl game

dax you are an idiot

what makes you think ron prince will turn all of these borderline d1 players into stars?  ferguson was one, but for the most part, virginia has underachieved considering their recruiting classes.  and to be real, i wouldn't put my money on too many 250 pound lineman turning into da brick.

you are the biggest delusional homer i have ever witnessed.  just shut the &*$@! up.

What makes you think Prince won't be successful?

Cite your facts.

[ksuno1stunner]

if he can't produce with classes like that, what would he do with borderline d1 talent.  do you actually think they had "too much talent", or it ruined "team chemistry", and that a team full of borderline d1 prospects would be better?

YES SPEED!

[JavaCat]

dax you are an idiot

you are the biggest delusional homer i have ever witnessed.  just shut the &*$@! up.

Tone it down. Continue to say this kind of crap about long-time KSU fans (or any KSU fan) on here and you'll be shutting the &*$@! up.

[Dan Rydell]

Tone it down. Continue to say this kind of crap about long-time KSU fans on here and you'll be shutting the &*$@! up.

The sooner the better.  He commented in another thread about how this board "is about to die."  If it is, it's because he started most of the new topics on the basketball board right now.

[sonofdaxjones]

Classic $hit ... the guy hasn't even coached one game yet, its July the 5th ... and Stunner has already got it all figured out.

Like I said, if stunner wasn't 6 at the time ... had rivals been around, he'd have been crying like a little baby back in the mid 90's as KSU recruited nobodies at the high school level.

Other things that make me laugh:

1.  People who think Mark Mangino was an integeral part of Snyder's staff.

2.  People who think Jim Leavitt, Bobby Stoops, Mike Stoops, Brent Venables and Mark Mangino walked into their positions at KSU with big time credentials ... they were nobodies, and Mangino was the biggest nobody of all of them.   Geezus ... Leavitt, Bobby and Mike Stoops were either postion coaches or grad assistants at Iowa before KSU.   Brent Venables had NO D1 coaching experience prior to his stint at KSU and he and Mike  Stoops got named Co-Defensive Coordinators because Bob Cope got freaking cancer and died shortly after being diagnosed ... they got named CO-defensive coordinators at KSU by DEFAULT.   Mark Mangino was collecting change on the Penn Turnpike prior to KSU ... and the only reason he got any position of power (sic) was because guys like Nick Quantero, Del Miller (his first stint at KSU) and Dana Dimel left for various reasons. 

God it sucks trying to talk KSU football with 18 year olds.

[michigancat]

2. People who think Jim Leavitt, Bobby Stoops, Mike Stoops, Brent Venables and Mark Mangino walked into their positions at KSU with big time credentials ... they were nobodies, and Mangino was the biggest nobody of all of them. Geezus ... Leavitt, Bobby and Mike Stoops were either postion coaches or grad assistants at Iowa before KSU. Brent Venables had NO D1 coaching experience prior to his stint at KSU and he and Mike Stoops got named Co-Defensive Coordinators because Bob Cope got freaking cancer and died shortly after being diagnosed ... they got named CO-defensive coordinators at KSU by DEFAULT. Mark Mangino was collecting change on the Penn Turnpike prior to KSU ... and the only reason he got any position of power (sic) was because guys like Nick Quantero, Del Miller (his first stint at KSU) and Dana Dimel left for various reasons.

All those guys had major D1 experience before being named coordinators.  All of them.  Morris is severely underqualified compared to all those guys when they were named coordinators.  He's not even close to Bob Cope.