whatever happened to the mack brown is a terrible coach people?

[fatty fat fat]

 

[steve dave]

Vince Young


But, yeah, Mack is good. 

[KSUTOMMY]

I dont believe he is a good coach - far from it, I think he is a TERRIBLE coach. That guy has had more talent run through that stadium than 95% of the teams in the country. NC? What part of VY and a stout D dont you understand? Mack Brown had the common sense to tell VY to do what he does best - had Mack Brown done the same thing Pinkel did with Brad Smith (try to make him a pocket passer), they wouldn't have won the NC. WAIT A MINUTE! Let me put my Kevlar Helmet and bullet proof vest on... OK FIRE AWAY!!!

[fatty fat fat]

I dont believe he is a good coach - far from it, I think he is a TERRIBLE coach. That guy has had more talent run through that stadium than 95% of the teams in the country. NC? What part of VY and a stout D dont you understand? Mack Brown had the common sense to tell VY to do what he does best - had Mack Brown done the same thing Pinkel did with Brad Smith (try to make him a pocket passer), they wouldn't have won the NC. WAIT A MINUTE! Let me put my Kevlar Helmet and bullet proof vest on... OK FIRE AWAY!!!

He has never lost more than 2 big 12 games in a season.

He's been a head coach for 10 years now.

[michigancat]

this board was a lot better before KSUTOMMY started posting regularly.

[mjrod]

I don't know that many people have said he's a terrible coach on here.

[catzacker]

Take Micheal Bishop off the '97 and '98 team and replace him with Matt Miller.  How "good" of a team would KSU of had then?

[Skycat]

I find it hard to believe that Texas is much more than a slightly above average football team this year.  OSU is easily the best team they've beaten this year.  And I really didn't think they would beat they Cowboys.

But... they keep finding ways to win close games. 

I've never said that Mack wasn't a good coach though.

[ksu_FAN]

There have been a lot of coaches that had talented teams and not come close to the success Brown has had at UT. 

[michigancat]

I find it hard to believe that Texas is much more than a slightly above average football team this year.  OSU is easily the best team they've beaten this year.  And I really didn't think they would beat they Cowboys.

There's only about 15 teams that are more than slightly above average this year.

CFB is all about parity these days.

[ECN]

you cant hate this man!!

[tmramrod91]

Take Micheal Bishop off the '97 and '98 team and replace him with Matt Miller.  How "good" of a team would KSU of had then?

Matt Miller was awesome.

[vanro031]

Vince Young


But, yeah, Mack is good. 

True..... True..

[sonofdaxjones]

Mack is a good coach, he could be better, but he is good . . . and frankly it's downright scary to think what their offense could do if Greg Davis their OC wasn't so clueless at times, and if they played with the same sense of urgency they've had against NU and OSU in the 4th qtr for an entire game.  

[pissclams]

ECN didn't you drive the hate-Mack bus? Or was that my mind playin tricks on me.  Or did you hate Barnes? 
I'm confused.

[ECN]

ECN didn't you drive the hate-Mack bus? Or was that my mind playin tricks on me.  Or did you hate Barnes? 
I'm confused.

clams. i did. i didnt really care..since football is my second fav. sport. i mostly did it to razz the kids up. now barnes i hate for real.

good memory though.

[catzacker]

Take Micheal Bishop off the '97 and '98 team and replace him with Matt Miller.  How "good" of a team would KSU of had then?

Matt Miller was awesome.

I think Miller was a good QB, comparable to what I think Colt would be as a Senior, all I'm saying is that it usually takes special players to make be a "great" team.  Bishop was a special player, Miller was not. 

[Bullfn33]

There have been a lot of coaches that had talented teams and not come close to the success Brown has had at UT. 

No one has had a Vince Young.  People don't realize how completely dominant he became his last year there.  Without Vince's NC, Mack Brown wouldn't be recognized anywhere close to what he is today.  He's an average coach that rests on 5-star talent to squeak out wins over teams like UCF and Nebraska and relies on them to make outrageous comebacks against average teams like Oklahoma State after he didn't have them prepared to play the entire first half.  And he doesn't give a crap about the importance of special teams.  Put him at a mid-level school coaching the way he does now and they probably wouldn't make a bowl game.

[michigancat]

Vince didn't even win the heisman.

[Bullfn33]

Vince didn't even win the heisman.

Because they don't wait until the END of the season to give it out.  I think a large majority would agree that VY was the best player in the country in 2005, when all was done.  After all, he beat the unbeatable media darling of the century when they were in their prime.

[michigancat]

one game is the difference between greatest player of all time, and non-heisman winner?

[Bullfn33]

one game is the difference between greatest player of all time, and non-heisman winner?

media darlings --> media --> hype --> Heisman    all of that then turned upside down when up against VY in the NC.  One of those things where people didn't realize how good VY was until after his college career.  He peaked over everyone his Junior year but the media didn't pick up on it or believe he or anyone could be better than what USC had so they stole the spotlight and that's why he didn't win the Heisman(awarded in December).  He might not be the best all-time but he's in the top 10 IMO.

[michigancat]

LOL, you're insane.

[Bullfn33]

Once Mack quit coaching VY and just let VY do his thing(including calling the plays), Texas became unstoppable and won a NC.  VY won Mack the only NC he will ever see.  There are a lot of people that must be insane with me because I've heard that opinion expressed by many.

[Pete]

one game is the difference between greatest player of all time, and non-heisman winner?

Tell that to Doug Flutie.

[catzacker]

I don't think the heisman is or should be the deciding factor as to whether or not a guy is a great college player.  Mack's had/has talent, that's for sure, but he wins, just cause he doesn't go undefeated every year doesn't make him a bad coach.  Even if people want to call him a horrible "in game coach", he makes up for it by doing the other part of "coaching" which is recruiting (or rather hiring the appropriate personnel to do the recruiting).  People act like Bill never squandered any talent or something. 

[dlew12]

People don't seem to see a difference between a good game day coach, and a good all around coach.  They point to VY as the only reason that Mack won the national title, but isn't he at least partly responsible for VY to even be involved in the program?

If a coaches recruiting ability is good enough to win him a national title (like Mack did in 05), then who cares about his gameday coaching? 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

What is getting lost in all of this is how Mack is being given undue credit for inventing the "Fake Broken Play QB Roll-Out Draw".  Everyone knows that Bill Snyder was the first to draw that play up.

[mjrod]

People don't seem to see a difference between a good game day coach, and a good all around coach.  They point to VY as the only reason that Mack won the national title, but isn't he at least partly responsible for VY to even be involved in the program?

If a coaches recruiting ability is good enough to win him a national title (like Mack did in 05), then who cares about his gameday coaching? 

Do you think that Bob Stoops is a better coach than Mack Brown and why?

[KSUTOMMY]

RUSTY, I take that as a compliment.

BTW since there is SOOO much pimping of the Heisman trophy - just go over the list of HeisTman Trophy weiners in your head, if you are foggy... here are a few noteable "winners" over the last 15 yrs

1992 Gino Torretta BUST
1993 Charlie Ward BUST
1994 Rashaan Salaam BUST
1995 Eddie George semi BUST
1996 Danny Wuerffel BUST
1997 Charles Woodson STUD
1998 Ricky Williams POT HEAD
1999 Ron Dayne BUST
2000 Chris Weinke BUST
2001 Eric Crouch BUST
2002 Carson Palmer WE OWNED HIM
2003 Jason White BUST
2004 Matt Leinart PLAYING FOR AZ CARDS
2005 Reggie Bush VY IS BETTER IN NFL SO FAR
2006 Troy Smith STAY TUNED

HeisTman Trophy = kiss of death  for the most part.

Anyone who wouldn't rather have VY on their NFL team is an idiot.

I stand by my initial call of Mack Brown as a coach - sure I would knock a few back with him on a personal level - BUT I think that Stoops did more with less in 2000. Ergo I would rather have Stoops as a HC that Brown.