Mario Little

[doom]

I'm pretty sure Snyder coached football and that we are currently on the basketball boards.

[BMWJhawk]

Bill Snyder choked in his only chance to play for a National Championship.  

[sys]

I'm pretty sure Snyder coached football and that we are currently on the basketball boards.

good point, i'll put something up on the football board.

[catzacker]

Bill Snyder choked in his only chance to play for a National Championship.  

Bill Self hasn't been a good enough coach to get a chance to choke a national championship away. 

[sys]

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=15843.0

here you go football people.

[catdude33]

LOL @ no one on here having enough basketball knowledge to even try to refute what buzz said.

You guys are clowns. A joke. People laugh at you and make fun of you for acting like this. Your program is one of the worst in college basketball. You get the crap kicked out of you every year by ku. Your coach is Frank "L-O-frickin-L" Martin. You consistently embarrass the Big XXII and the state of Kansas.

Have you considered therapy?  You have a lot of hate inside of you young man.  I'm sincerely worried about you.

[leawoodcat]

Releford put up 28 on RSCI #2 overall prospect Jrue Holiday.  Holiday is one of the best defenders in the country.  No joke.

Obviously K-State has offered some pretty bad players in the past.  However, I wouldn't include Releford in that same category.  Put your bias aside for one minute and tell me that K-State wouldn't love to have the #27 overall player in '08 right about now. 

As for the missed layups vs. UCLA, are you really blaming that on Coach Self?

I understand that he put up 28 on this kid. That doesn't mean the kid played him like Releford will be played in a game. Defense isn't played too hard in a lot of games like the one they would have been in. I've read and seen that all you have to do is guard Releford tight and don't give him a cushion at the top of the key and he disappears. He can step up and hit a shot but if someone's in his face then he can't do anything.

It's funny that you're hooking on that RSCI ranking. It's a compilation of a bunch of different rankings right? And since they released it, Releford has plummeted in both Scout and Rivals's rankings right? He won't be so high up once they update. And for you question...there are quite a few players who I would take other than Releford. One of the reasons he got his offer so soon is because he's an instate kid. If Releford played ball somewhere other than the Midwest then I can almost guarantee that he wouldn't have gotten an offer.

Not being prepared for a game and being focused - yeah I can put that on Self. I also put the losses to Bucknell, Bradley, Oral Roberts, Depaul, Wyoming, URI, etc. all on Self. Are you ever going to answer my question about what players have improved under Self or have you just come to the realization that few if any have done so?

My, my! Here's someone who is certainly trying, with great diligence, fervor and passion, to 'prove' how dreadful the current state of the ku basketball program is. Very interesting!

Once again, I'm taken aback at the remarkable level of disrespect towards that ku basketball program that I'm seeing here. It would be hard enough to fathom a level of disrespect toward the ku program from anyone, anywhere, on any level; but so much more so coming from any fan of the Kansas State basketball program. (You know, considering the enormous, gargantuan disparity between the accomplishments of the two programs. When you factor in head-to-head competition since the Paleozoic Era between the two teams, it makes that disrespect come off as being almost surreal, don't you think?)

Now that lack of disrespect appears to carry over to ku's coach, as well. Hmmm.

Let's make a little comparison, shall we?

In his storied career at Kansas State, the great Bill Snyder won zero national championships. To date, Bill Self has won the same amount at ku.   ADVANTAGE - Even.

In his storied career at Kansas State, the great Bill Snyder won one (that's 1, as in o-n-e) conference title. To date, Bill Self has won three at ku.   ADVANTAGE - Self.

In his storied career at Kansas State, the great Bill Snyder was 1-2 in Big 12 title games. To date, Bill Self is 2-0 in Big 12 title games at ku.   ADVANTAGE - Self

In his storied career at Kansas State, the great Bill Snyder was 6-5 in post-season competition. To date, Bill Self is 6-4 in post-season competition at ku.   ADVANTAGE - Self.

So whatever deficiencies Bill Self may have, the record shows he's at least proved, by any and every criterion and standard, that he's indisputably a superior coach to the great Bill Snyder. No brag, just fact.

Look again at that record of the great Bill Snyder. Look at how clearly and obviously inferior it is to that of Bill Self's. Now I wonder if anyone else finds it interesting that, despite that, you people thought Bill Snyder did such an incredible job, you were so eternally grateful to him, that you accorded him the singular honor of naming your football stadium after the guy and his family. Well, noting the disparity between Self's and Snyder's records, if you ever had a basketball coach who did for your program just what Self has done at ku, it beggars the imagination as to what honors you clowns would then bestow upon him. It's simply hilarious to even contemplate. Why, you'd re-name every building on your whole freakin' campus after him!

So either the great Bill Snyder ain't so great after all, or we just might have to reassess that which has been done by Bill Self. Won't we?


Laughably idiotic, moronic fans who strive mightily to concoct transparently insincere revisionist history of the accomplishments of their in-state rival's more successful programs?   ADVANTAGE - Kansas State

Gee, how to counter such an intelligent argument?

How 'bout how many times we have heard that Bill Snyder made the most amazing turnaround in the history of college foothball? How many times have we heard he has done the best job of coaching in the last 50 years?  How many times have we heard these types of things about Bill Self?...well, none. I will admit that Bill Self is a good coach, but let's not pretend he has done anything amazing.

Your argument about Self is so typical of the ku stereotype. So many of them were born on 3rd base and go through life telling everybody they hit a triple.

[konofo]

Your argument about Self is so typical of the ku stereotype. So many of them were born on 3rd base and go through life telling everybody they hit a triple.

The ones who grace us with their presence here were actually born on 2nd, but they'll still tell you they hit a triple.

kono

[doom]

Bill Snyder choked in his only chance to play for a National Championship. 

Bill Self hasn't been a good enough coach to get a chance to choke a national championship away. 

Actually his first year choking to GTech in the FF should count.  Or losing to UCLA last year.

[michigancat]

Eboss says he's still visiting KSU and UI.

[Meatbag]

Poor man BMW:

GET TO CLASS YOU PHUCKING FAGGOT!!  STOP WASTING MOMMY'S HARD EARNED MONEY ON MESSAGE BOARDS!!!

Jesus Christ, I have never seen such a dumbass like you before!  Do you just sit around all day and post on this board??

GET A LIFE!!!

Joco wannabe FAG!!!!

[fatty fat fat]

Eboss says he's still visiting KSU and UI.

lol.

[WildWillie21]

Bill Snyder choked in his only chance to play for a National Championship. 

Bill Self hasn't been a good enough coach to get a chance to choke a national championship away. 

Actually his first year choking to GTech in the FF should count.  Or losing to UCLA last year.

Bill Self has never been to the FF.

[pissclams]

Meatbag is pissed   

[fatty fat fat]

Meatbag is pissed   

jmo, but he has a right to be.

[BullHawkWheel]

Meatbag you are calling out a guy and saying he has no life yet you are the one getting offended over something on a petty message board.  I wonder who really needs to get a life.

[WorldWideBalla21]

Meatbag you are calling out a guy and saying he has no life yet you are the one getting offended over something on a petty message board.  I wonder who really needs to get a life.

lol and you spend a lot of time on another team's message board.

[BullHawkWheel]

well when you are bored at work and have no hw to do, then thats what i do, surf the web

[Buzzcut]

LOL @ no one on here having enough basketball knowledge to even try to refute what buzz said.

You guys are clowns. A joke. People laugh at you and make fun of you for acting like this. Your program is one of the worst in college basketball. You get the crap kicked out of you every year by ku. Your coach is Frank "L-O-frickin-L" Martin. You consistently embarrass the Big XXII and the state of Kansas.

I think it has more to do with the absolutely ridiculous f'ing idea that Bill Self is half the coach that Bill Snyder was.  To even compare the two shows how f'ing retarded a person is and basically has zero clue about what Bill Snyder had to overcome to even establish a program let alone the huge difference between the eliteness of Big 12 football in comparison to the littleness of Big 12 basketball.  

TRANSLATION -As long as ku dominates the Big 12 in basketball and our program resides in the projects and tenements of the lower half of the conference, then we'll find transparently asinine and pathetic ways to denigrate that and assuage our own ineptitude.

[leawoodcat]

Rivals is reporting that Mario Little will be visiting K-State this weekend.  Big surprise. My guess is he will have a great time in Manhattan, also.

[catdude33]

TRANSLATION -As long as ku dominates the Big 12 in basketball and our program resides in the projects and tenements of the lower half of the conference, then we'll find transparently asinine and pathetic ways to denigrate that and assuage our own ineptitude.

TRANSLATION - If I keep using big words it will help me to feel less insecure about my tiny penis.

[Buzzcut]

LOL @ no one on here having enough basketball knowledge to even try to refute what buzz said.

I'll refute it.

Bill Snyder came in and took one of the worst programs in the history of college football and made them a national power for over a decade.

Bill Self came in and took over one of the more elite jobs in the history of college basketball and a final four team, and has consistantly underachieved outside of the conference including 2 terrible first round losses.

I don't understand how you can say Bill Snyder is overrated. No one in the world ever expected him to do what he did.

ku fans expect to go to the Final 4 every year, and rightfully so, but B. Self has been to 0, and the possibilities over the next few years are looking slimmer than they have for a long time for ku.

Bill Self = Underachieving for now.

Bill Snyder = Overachieved beyond comprehension.

Oops! Bill Snyder was 1-3 in Big 12 title games, was he not? My bad. (While Bill Self is 2-0 -- that part was correct.)

Again, check out the facts. 'Overachieve'. 'Underachieve'. Nope, not going to work here. Nice try, anyway, though.

FACT - Bill Self has already ACHIEVED more in four years at ku than Bill Snyder did in however many years he was at Kansas State. More conference titles. Fact. Better post-season record. Fact. Irrefutable. Undeniable. The point is not to try to belittle Bill Snyder's accomplishments (I'm not into revisionist history - I leave that to the professionals; you guys.) The point is that

a.) however bad you idiotic clowns want to try to make Bill Self out to be (for your own pathetic, but within this context, understandable reasons) the record shows he's accomplished more within the conference and has a better record in the post-season. No brag, just fact. Sorry. And

b.) No one is fooled by the consistently desperate creativity you idiotic clowns apply to coming up with your avalanche of transparently asinine revisionist history of the accomplishments and stature of the ku basketball program (again, for your own pathetic, but within this context, perfectly obvious and understandable reasons.) And

c.) If any coach came to Kansas State and produced what Bill Self has done in just his three years at ku, you clowns would carve his likeness onto the side of the Flint Hills and Kevin Kietzman and Tim Fitzgerald would never have to resort to using viagra again.

[~WabashRoll~]

Rivals is reporting that Mario Little will be visiting K-State this weekend.  Big surprise. My guess is he will have a great time in Manhattan, also.

Lol.  No surprise, but Lol nonetheless.

We all know the level of eliteness Self brings to the table.  Weird that he can't close the deal and just keeps going head to head with Frank Martin, a guy we all know can’t coach for so many players, JUCO ones at that.

[leawoodcat]

Oops! Bill Snyder was 1-3 in Big 12 title games, was he not? My bad. (While Bill Self is 2-0 -- that part was correct.)

Again, check out the facts. 'Overachieve'. 'Underachieve'. Nope, not going to work here. Nice try, anyway, though.

FACT - Bill Self has already ACHIEVED more in four years at ku than Bill Snyder did in however many years he was at Kansas State. More conference titles. Fact. Better post-season record. Fact. Irrefutable. Undeniable. The point is not to try to belittle Bill Snyder's accomplishments (I'm not into revisionist history - I leave that to the professionals; you guys.) The point is that

a.) however bad you idiotic clowns want to try to make Bill Self out to be (for your own pathetic, but within this context, understandable reasons) the record shows he's accomplished more within the conference and has a better record in the post-season. No brag, just fact. Sorry. And

b.) No one is fooled by the consistently desperate creativity you idiotic clowns apply to coming up with your avalanche of transparently asinine revisionist history of the accomplishments and stature of the ku basketball program (again, for your own pathetic, but within this context, perfectly obvious and understandable reasons.) And

c.) If any coach came to Kansas State and produced what Bill Self has done in just his three years at ku, you clowns would carve his likeness onto the side of the Flint Hills and Kevin Kietzman and Tim Fitzgerald would never have to resort to using viagra again.

[/quote]

As I wrote in a previous post, while I think Bill Self is a good coach and do not mean in any way to denigrate him or his accomplishments. That being said, by coming to ku he was essentially born on 3rd base and you are trying to tell us he hit a triple. 

Many coaches and journalists have said that Snyder may have done the best job of college football coaching ever.  Self has never received that type of praise.

[sys]

mario little blurb:

http://www.chipola.edu/extrac/athl/basketball/2007/Little4.htm


mention of witherspoon in article about ku desperately chasing memphis rejects:

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2007/sep/10/morris-twins-change-mind-memphis-commitment-again/


another witherspoon mention.  with a lol at the list of his schools.

http://www2.kusports.com/news/2007/sep/11/twins_considering_kansas/?mens_basketball

[pissclams]

10 pts a game last year?

[sys]

a kc prospect getting high major attention.  anyone know if ksu is involved?

http://iowa.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=72101


a few more links:

http://hskansas.scout.com/a.z?s=390&p=2&c=595437

http://www.chicagosports.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=1042&script=content.asp&cid=710471&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=

http://www.chicagosports.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=1042&script=content.asp&cid=707879&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=

[michigancat]

a kc prospect getting high major attention.  anyone know if ksu is involved?

http://iowa.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=72101


a few more links:

http://hskansas.scout.com/a.z?s=390&p=2&c=595437

http://www.chicagosports.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=1042&script=content.asp&cid=710471&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=

http://www.chicagosports.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=1042&script=content.asp&cid=707879&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=

Great puns.

[Pett]

LOL!! Mario didn't like his visit to ku last weekend, therefore coming to MHK to end his recruitment this weekend.

[phog0731]

Meatbag is pissed   

jmo, but he has a right to be.

Yep, I'd be pissed too if I had to root for KSU.