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September 10, 2007, 12:52:26 PM
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Releford put up 28 on RSCI #2 overall prospect Jrue Holiday.  Holiday is one of the best defenders in the country.  No joke.

Obviously K-State has offered some pretty bad players in the past.  However, I wouldn't include Releford in that same category.  Put your bias aside for one minute and tell me that K-State wouldn't love to have the #27 overall player in '08 right about now. 

As for the missed layups vs. UCLA, are you really blaming that on Coach Self?
I understand that he put up 28 on this kid. That doesn't mean the kid played him like Releford will be played in a game. Defense isn't played too hard in a lot of games like the one they would have been in. I've read and seen that all you have to do is guard Releford tight and don't give him a cushion at the top of the key and he disappears. He can step up and hit a shot but if someone's in his face then he can't do anything.

It's funny that you're hooking on that RSCI ranking. It's a compilation of a bunch of different rankings right? And since they released it, Releford has plummeted in both Scout and Rivals's rankings right? He won't be so high up once they update. And for you question...there are quite a few players who I would take other than Releford. One of the reasons he got his offer so soon is because he's an instate kid. If Releford played ball somewhere other than the Midwest then I can almost guarantee that he wouldn't have gotten an offer.

Not being prepared for a game and being focused - yeah I can put that on Self. I also put the losses to Bucknell, Bradley, Oral Roberts, Depaul, Wyoming, URI, etc. all on Self. Are you ever going to answer my question about what players have improved under Self or have you just come to the realization that few if any have done so?

September 10, 2007, 01:29:15 PM
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Releford put up 28 on RSCI #2 overall prospect Jrue Holiday.  Holiday is one of the best defenders in the country.  No joke.

Obviously K-State has offered some pretty bad players in the past.  However, I wouldn't include Releford in that same category.  Put your bias aside for one minute and tell me that K-State wouldn't love to have the #27 overall player in '08 right about now. 

As for the missed layups vs. UCLA, are you really blaming that on Coach Self?
I understand that he put up 28 on this kid. That doesn't mean the kid played him like Releford will be played in a game. Defense isn't played too hard in a lot of games like the one they would have been in. I've read and seen that all you have to do is guard Releford tight and don't give him a cushion at the top of the key and he disappears. He can step up and hit a shot but if someone's in his face then he can't do anything.

It's funny that you're hooking on that RSCI ranking. It's a compilation of a bunch of different rankings right? And since they released it, Releford has plummeted in both Scout and Rivals's rankings right? He won't be so high up once they update. And for you question...there are quite a few players who I would take other than Releford. One of the reasons he got his offer so soon is because he's an instate kid. If Releford played ball somewhere other than the Midwest then I can almost guarantee that he wouldn't have gotten an offer.

Not being prepared for a game and being focused - yeah I can put that on Self. I also put the losses to Bucknell, Bradley, Oral Roberts, Depaul, Wyoming, URI, etc. all on Self. Are you ever going to answer my question about what players have improved under Self or have you just come to the realization that few if any have done so?

Here's a link to the RSCI Rankings and how they are done:  http://home.nc.rr.com/rsci/The_Experts/the_experts.html

Next, ku hasn't lost to Wyoming or URI.  Where did you come up with that?  If you want to make an argument, at least have the correct facts.  Depaul came into Manhattan last season and beat K-State in the NIT, and we all know how good of a coach you thought Huggins was. 

What players have improved under Self?  Is there some way to quantify that?  I guess the first player that comes to mind would be Darnell Jackson. 

September 10, 2007, 01:37:57 PM
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What players have improved under Self?  Is there some way to quantify that?

Yes.

September 10, 2007, 01:39:56 PM
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Next, ku hasn't lost to Wyoming or URI.  Where did you come up with that?  If you want to make an argument, at least have the correct facts.  Depaul came into Manhattan last season and beat K-State in the NIT, and we all know how good of a coach you thought Huggins was.  
What players have improved under Self?  Is there some way to quantify that?  I guess the first player that comes to mind would be Darnell Jackson. 

Seriously?  You're comparing KSU's squad and it's loss to DePaul to ku's squad and it's loss to DePaul?  

September 10, 2007, 02:05:10 PM
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Yes.  ku was on the road and was coming off of a big win vs. Florida.

K-State was at home and trying to advance to the next round of the NIT.  Huggins left though, so he's no longer a good coach, right?


September 10, 2007, 02:26:39 PM
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Yes.  ku was on the road and was coming off of a big win vs. Florida.

I'll let you use this excuse.  But you have to admit that this is the only reason K-State lost to ku in football last year.  Thanks.

September 10, 2007, 02:27:03 PM
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Yes.  ku KSU was on the road and was coming off of a big win vs. Florida Texas.

Sounds reasonable.  Now tell me, was 39-20 a fluke, or was your DePaul game a fluke?  You only get it one way.

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September 10, 2007, 02:28:18 PM
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Yes.  ku was on the road and was coming off of a big win vs. Florida Texas.



you just reasoned your way out of a solid win in football.

EDIT:  dammit, already beat to it.

September 10, 2007, 02:29:40 PM
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Nice "convo" on Mario Little folks.  I'd just like to add that any recruiting that Julian Wright is doing on ku's behalf is illegal and should land ku back in front of the NCAA.


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September 10, 2007, 02:44:34 PM
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Releford put up 28 on RSCI #2 overall prospect Jrue Holiday.  Holiday is one of the best defenders in the country.  No joke.

Obviously K-State has offered some pretty bad players in the past.  However, I wouldn't include Releford in that same category.  Put your bias aside for one minute and tell me that K-State wouldn't love to have the #27 overall player in '08 right about now. 

As for the missed layups vs. UCLA, are you really blaming that on Coach Self?
I understand that he put up 28 on this kid. That doesn't mean the kid played him like Releford will be played in a game. Defense isn't played too hard in a lot of games like the one they would have been in. I've read and seen that all you have to do is guard Releford tight and don't give him a cushion at the top of the key and he disappears. He can step up and hit a shot but if someone's in his face then he can't do anything.

It's funny that you're hooking on that RSCI ranking. It's a compilation of a bunch of different rankings right? And since they released it, Releford has plummeted in both Scout and Rivals's rankings right? He won't be so high up once they update. And for you question...there are quite a few players who I would take other than Releford. One of the reasons he got his offer so soon is because he's an instate kid. If Releford played ball somewhere other than the Midwest then I can almost guarantee that he wouldn't have gotten an offer.

Not being prepared for a game and being focused - yeah I can put that on Self. I also put the losses to Bucknell, Bradley, Oral Roberts, Depaul, Wyoming, URI, etc. all on Self. Are you ever going to answer my question about what players have improved under Self or have you just come to the realization that few if any have done so?

Here's a link to the RSCI Rankings and how they are done:  http://home.nc.rr.com/rsci/The_Experts/the_experts.html

Next, ku hasn't lost to Wyoming or URI.  Where did you come up with that?  If you want to make an argument, at least have the correct facts.  Depaul came into Manhattan last season and beat K-State in the NIT, and we all know how good of a coach you thought Huggins was. 

What players have improved under Self?  Is there some way to quantify that?  I guess the first player that comes to mind would be Darnell Jackson. 
So no refuting about what I said regarding Releford? Alright.

My bad, it was Nevada and St. Joseph's that ku choked against in the regular season two years ago. Let's throw in the K-State game at AFH that year as well. Obviously, numerous choke jobs.

Yeah, it's pretty easy to tell if a players made improvements. You could go as far as looking at stats to see if the player has improved. Name a player or two that have legitimately improved their draft stock under Self at ku. I can't think of any.

September 10, 2007, 02:53:13 PM
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any recruiting that Julian Wright is doing on ku's behalf is illegal and should land ku back in front of the NCAA.

worth it if it gets them little imo.  he would be the star of their class.
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September 10, 2007, 02:57:06 PM
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could be the death penalty for ku hoops.  every johnson county retard would have to start cheering for us come basketball season.  tanners would be a hotbed for ku/K-State basketball cuties (Shannon).


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September 10, 2007, 02:58:44 PM
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Yes.  ku was on the road and was coming off of a big win vs. Florida.

I'll let you use this excuse.  But you have to admit that this is the only reason K-State lost to ku in football last year.  Thanks.

Apples and oranges.  Basketball and football seasons are completely different.  Plus, ku/K-State is a rivalry game and we both play in the same conference. 
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September 10, 2007, 03:08:36 PM
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Yes.  ku was on the road and was coming off of a big win vs. Florida.

I'll let you use this excuse.  But you have to admit that this is the only reason K-State lost to ku in football last year.  Thanks.

Apples and oranges.  Basketball and football seasons are completely different.  Plus, ku/K-State is a rivalry game and we both play in the same conference. 
:lol: nice backtracking.

September 10, 2007, 03:17:06 PM
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Releford put up 28 on RSCI #2 overall prospect Jrue Holiday.  Holiday is one of the best defenders in the country.  No joke.

Obviously K-State has offered some pretty bad players in the past.  However, I wouldn't include Releford in that same category.  Put your bias aside for one minute and tell me that K-State wouldn't love to have the #27 overall player in '08 right about now. 

As for the missed layups vs. UCLA, are you really blaming that on Coach Self?
I understand that he put up 28 on this kid. That doesn't mean the kid played him like Releford will be played in a game. Defense isn't played too hard in a lot of games like the one they would have been in. I've read and seen that all you have to do is guard Releford tight and don't give him a cushion at the top of the key and he disappears. He can step up and hit a shot but if someone's in his face then he can't do anything.

It's funny that you're hooking on that RSCI ranking. It's a compilation of a bunch of different rankings right? And since they released it, Releford has plummeted in both Scout and Rivals's rankings right? He won't be so high up once they update. And for you question...there are quite a few players who I would take other than Releford. One of the reasons he got his offer so soon is because he's an instate kid. If Releford played ball somewhere other than the Midwest then I can almost guarantee that he wouldn't have gotten an offer.

Not being prepared for a game and being focused - yeah I can put that on Self. I also put the losses to Bucknell, Bradley, Oral Roberts, Depaul, Wyoming, URI, etc. all on Self. Are you ever going to answer my question about what players have improved under Self or have you just come to the realization that few if any have done so?

Here's a link to the RSCI Rankings and how they are done:  http://home.nc.rr.com/rsci/The_Experts/the_experts.html

Next, ku hasn't lost to Wyoming or URI.  Where did you come up with that?  If you want to make an argument, at least have the correct facts.  Depaul came into Manhattan last season and beat K-State in the NIT, and we all know how good of a coach you thought Huggins was. 

What players have improved under Self?  Is there some way to quantify that?  I guess the first player that comes to mind would be Darnell Jackson. 
So no refuting about what I said regarding Releford? Alright.

My bad, it was Nevada and St. Joseph's that ku choked against in the regular season two years ago. Let's throw in the K-State game at AFH that year as well. Obviously, numerous choke jobs.

Yeah, it's pretty easy to tell if a players made improvements. You could go as far as looking at stats to see if the player has improved. Name a player or two that have legitimately improved their draft stock under Self at ku. I can't think of any.

So are you implying that ku should go undefeated every season and never lose to anyone with less talent?  You've got to love those kind of standards.

I'm not sure what kind of recruiting guru you think you are, but a lot of people really like Travis Releford's game and have seen him thrive with the best players in the country.  Scout's Eric Bossi has him in his top 25 and has watched more basketball than anyone on this message board combined.  He's never been one to hype a recruit if he wasn't legit.  

Julian Wright improved his stock to an NBA lottery pick under Coach Self.  If you didn't see Julian's improvement during his time at ku than I'm not sure what it would take to show improvement.  Look at his stats from his freshman to sophomore year and tell me that he didn't improve.  







September 10, 2007, 03:28:03 PM
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Yes.  ku was on the road and was coming off of a big win vs. Florida.

I'll let you use this excuse.  But you have to admit that this is the only reason K-State lost to ku in football last year.  Thanks.

Apples and oranges.  Basketball and football seasons are completely different.  Plus, ku/K-State is a rivalry game and we both play in the same conference. 

Incredible BS.  It's the same exact thing, only the talent disparity b/t KSU and ku in football is far less than b/t ku and Depaul in basketball. 

September 10, 2007, 04:02:47 PM
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Mr. Topeka must be out on Lake Shawnee in his yacht enjoying a day off from the moving and shaking of making the big bucks considering how he's pissed all over this board today.

September 10, 2007, 05:03:33 PM
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Yes.  ku was on the road and was coming off of a big win vs. Florida.

I'll let you use this excuse.  But you have to admit that this is the only reason K-State lost to ku in football last year.  Thanks.

Apples and oranges.  Basketball and football seasons are completely different.

So it doesn't apply because basketball and football are different. :confused:

September 10, 2007, 05:07:44 PM
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Releford will plummet when RSCI updates his plummeting rankings from Rivals and Scout.

He won't be ranked any lower than Dominique Sutton was. 

LOL.  Comparing your star to our third best recruit.

LO f'ing L.

Our "star?" 

LOL.  You act like ku is done signing players for '08. 

Who are you in on that's better?

Witherspoon?

:lol: :lol: :lol:

This comment just goes to show how little you and everyone else on this board knows about basketball. Christ, I know you guys have only been following the sport for about a year, but come on.

How about Greg Monroe? You know, the best player in the class. J'mison Morgan?

September 10, 2007, 05:10:14 PM
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Don't forget about the Morris twins. 

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September 10, 2007, 05:23:34 PM
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Releford put up 28 on RSCI #2 overall prospect Jrue Holiday.  Holiday is one of the best defenders in the country.  No joke.

Obviously K-State has offered some pretty bad players in the past.  However, I wouldn't include Releford in that same category.  Put your bias aside for one minute and tell me that K-State wouldn't love to have the #27 overall player in '08 right about now. 

As for the missed layups vs. UCLA, are you really blaming that on Coach Self?
I understand that he put up 28 on this kid. That doesn't mean the kid played him like Releford will be played in a game. Defense isn't played too hard in a lot of games like the one they would have been in. I've read and seen that all you have to do is guard Releford tight and don't give him a cushion at the top of the key and he disappears. He can step up and hit a shot but if someone's in his face then he can't do anything.

It's funny that you're hooking on that RSCI ranking. It's a compilation of a bunch of different rankings right? And since they released it, Releford has plummeted in both Scout and Rivals's rankings right? He won't be so high up once they update. And for you question...there are quite a few players who I would take other than Releford. One of the reasons he got his offer so soon is because he's an instate kid. If Releford played ball somewhere other than the Midwest then I can almost guarantee that he wouldn't have gotten an offer.

Not being prepared for a game and being focused - yeah I can put that on Self. I also put the losses to Bucknell, Bradley, Oral Roberts, Depaul, Wyoming, URI, etc. all on Self. Are you ever going to answer my question about what players have improved under Self or have you just come to the realization that few if any have done so?

My, my! Here's someone who is certainly trying, with great diligence, fervor and passion, to 'prove' how dreadful the current state of the ku basketball program is. Very interesting!

Once again, I'm taken aback at the remarkable level of disrespect towards that ku basketball program that I'm seeing here. It would be hard enough to fathom a level of disrespect toward the ku program from anyone, anywhere, on any level; but so much more so coming from any fan of the Kansas State basketball program. (You know, considering the enormous, gargantuan disparity between the accomplishments of the two programs. When you factor in head-to-head competition since the Paleozoic Era between the two teams, it makes that disrespect come off as being almost surreal, don't you think?)

Now that lack of disrespect appears to carry over to ku's coach, as well. Hmmm.

Let's make a little comparison, shall we?

In his storied career at Kansas State, the great Bill Snyder won zero national championships. To date, Bill Self has won the same amount at ku.   ADVANTAGE - Even.

In his storied career at Kansas State, the great Bill Snyder won one (that's 1, as in o-n-e) conference title. To date, Bill Self has won three at ku.   ADVANTAGE - Self.

In his storied career at Kansas State, the great Bill Snyder was 1-2 in Big 12 title games. To date, Bill Self is 2-0 in Big 12 title games at ku.   ADVANTAGE - Self

In his storied career at Kansas State, the great Bill Snyder was 6-5 in post-season competition. To date, Bill Self is 6-4 in post-season competition at ku.   ADVANTAGE - Self.

So whatever deficiencies Bill Self may have, the record shows he's at least proved, by any and every criterion and standard, that he's indisputably a superior coach to the great Bill Snyder. No brag, just fact.

Look again at that record of the great Bill Snyder. Look at how clearly and obviously inferior it is to that of Bill Self's. Now I wonder if anyone else finds it interesting that, despite that, you people thought Bill Snyder did such an incredible job, you were so eternally grateful to him, that you accorded him the singular honor of naming your football stadium after the guy and his family. Well, noting the disparity between Self's and Snyder's records, if you ever had a basketball coach who did for your program just what Self has done at ku, it beggars the imagination as to what honors you clowns would then bestow upon him. It's simply hilarious to even contemplate. Why, you'd re-name every building on your whole freakin' campus after him!

So either the great Bill Snyder ain't so great after all, or we just might have to reassess that which has been done by Bill Self. Won't we?


Laughably idiotic, moronic fans who strive mightily to concoct transparently insincere revisionist history of the accomplishments of their in-state rival's more successful programs?   ADVANTAGE - Kansas State

September 10, 2007, 05:27:49 PM
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Seriously?  You just typed all that?  My how the mighty have fallen.

September 10, 2007, 05:28:14 PM
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September 10, 2007, 07:58:11 PM
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LOL @ no one on here having enough basketball knowledge to even try to refute what buzz said.

You guys are clowns. A joke. People laugh at you and make fun of you for acting like this. Your program is one of the worst in college basketball. You get the crap kicked out of you every year by ku. Your coach is Frank "L-O-frickin-L" Martin. You consistently embarrass the Big XXII and the state of Kansas.

September 10, 2007, 08:04:35 PM
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LOL @ no one on here having enough basketball knowledge to even try to refute what buzz said.

refute what, that bill snyder was overrated?  it seems like a rational opinion to me.  wrong board for it, but no big deal.

any thoughts on little?
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September 10, 2007, 08:07:59 PM
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LOL @ no one on here having enough basketball knowledge to even try to refute what buzz said.

You guys are clowns. A joke. People laugh at you and make fun of you for acting like this. Your program is one of the worst in college basketball. You get the crap kicked out of you every year by ku. Your coach is Frank "L-O-frickin-L" Martin. You consistently embarrass the Big XXII and the state of Kansas.

What's the Big 22, and how do we embarass the state of Kansas?  You are the ones who consistantly choke in the spotlight of the NCAA tournament, and have the 800 lb piece of sh*t as a coach. I'd say those two things alone dwarf anything KSU has ever done to embarass this state.

September 10, 2007, 08:08:52 PM
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LOL @ no one on here having enough basketball knowledge to even try to refute what buzz said.

You guys are clowns. A joke. People laugh at you and make fun of you for acting like this. Your program is one of the worst in college basketball. You get the crap kicked out of you every year by ku. Your coach is Frank "L-O-frickin-L" Martin. You consistently embarrass the Big XXII and the state of Kansas.

I think it has more to do with the absolutely ridiculous f'ing idea that Bill Self is half the coach that Bill Snyder was.  To even compare the two shows how f'ing retarded a person is and basically has zero clue about what Bill Snyder had to overcome to even establish a program let alone the huge difference between the eliteness of Big 12 football in comparison to the littleness of Big 12 basketball.  

September 10, 2007, 08:17:16 PM
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LOL @ no one on here having enough basketball knowledge to even try to refute what buzz said.

I'll refute it.

Bill Snyder came in and took one of the worst programs in the history of college football and made them a national power for over a decade.

Bill Self came in and took over one of the more elite jobs in the history of college basketball and a final four team, and has consistantly underachieved outside of the conference including 2 terrible first round losses.

I don't understand how you can say Bill Snyder is overrated. No one in the world ever expected him to do what he did.

ku fans expect to go to the Final 4 every year, and rightfully so, but B. Self has been to 0, and the possibilities over the next few years are looking slimmer than they have for a long time for ku.

Bill Self = Underachieving for now.

Bill Snyder = Overachieved beyond comprehension.
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