Lamark Brown as a receiver..Good or bad decision?

[chum1]

1.  It's based mostly on size and, to a lesser extent, speed.  You know, the usual factors.

2.  Why project him at WR?

[ksuno1stunner]

How many 6'4'' 230 pound linebackers are there?  A lot.

How many 6'4'' 230 pound receivers are out there?  Only the good ones.

Should OSU move Adarius Bowman to linebacker?  What about every other team with huge, successful receivers?

FWIW, LaMark came to the KSU camp and lit it up at WR, with Hartman passing.  I'm sure the coaches know what they are doing.

[KSU4ME]

Because Lamark has looked good running routes, catching the ball and getting yards after catch.

And he's shown himself to be a better offensive player than defensive player in his HS career.

[chum1]

Let me see if I’ve got the case for Lamark at WR straight.  First, we’ve got a 1 in 1000 type of shot that he’ll be a great receiver because of his unusual combination of size and speed.  So, what the hell.  Let’s give it a shot.  Second, KSU4ME has studied film of all three of his 2006 receptions which total 47 yards and says he’s the real deal.

Sure, let’s go against conventional wisdom on this one.

[FBWillie]

chances are prob better than 1/1000. 


FWIW, I made L. Brown on NCAA 2008 for PS2 with the same measurables, realitive speed/acceleration, with bad awareness and bad catching ability and he's done farely well, but his most improved area has been awareness and catching ability.     

[ksuno1stunner]

1.Reggie Smith, DB, Oklahoma

2. Adarius Bowman, WR, Oklahoma State 6'4'' 215

3. Frank Okam, DT, Texas

4. Colt McCoy, QB, Texas

5. Aqib Talib, CB, Kansas

6. Chase Daniel, QB, Missouri

7. Ian Campbell, LB, Kansas State

8. Limas Sweed, WR, Texas 6'5'' 215

9. Cody Wallace, C, Texas A&M

10. Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma 6'4'' 204

First Team:
WR Adarius Bowman    6'4"    220    Sr.    Oklahoma State
WR Malcolm Kelly    6'4"    217    Jr.    Oklahoma

Second Team:
WR    Todd Blythe    6'5"    209    Sr.    Iowa State
WR    Limas Sweed    6'5"    219    Sr.    Texas

Third Team:
WR    Will Franklin    6'2"    205    Sr.    Missouri
WR    Maurice Purify    6'4"    220    Sr.    Nebraska

[ksuno1stunner]

Let me see if I’ve got the case for Lamark at WR straight.  First, we’ve got a 1 in 1000 type of shot that he’ll be a great receiver because of his unusual combination of size and speed.  So, what the hell.  Let’s give it a shot.  Second, KSU4ME has studied film of all three of his 2006 receptions which total 47 yards and says he’s the real deal.

Sure, let’s go against conventional wisdom on this one.

Your conventional wisdom is going up against the coaching staff watching him play receiver at camp.

[steve dave]

Lamark has experience running routes, catching the ball and running after the catch.

It looks like Lamark had fourteen times more tackles than receptions last year.
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LOL at his team throwing the ball 40 times all year.  41 if he count the one Lamark threw.

[KSU4ME]

0 tackles as a LB.

0 snaps played as a LB.

And, from reading what Lamark has said, 0 interest in playing LB.

  <--- Tyler Hughes
 <--- Chum

[fatty fat fat]

Let's just hope he can beat out D-Gon.

[ksuno1stunner]

0 tackles as a LB.

0 snaps played as a LB.

And, from reading what Lamark has said, 0 interest in playing LB.

  <--- Tyler Hughes
 <--- Chum

Safety isn't all that different from linebacker.

He'll be good at whatever position he plays, we just happen to need a receiver.

[steve dave]

I wish we had 8 Lamarks    That would be a salty LB/S/WR/HB unit.

[ksuno1stunner]

I wish we had 8 Lamarks    That would be a salty LB/S/WR/HB unit.

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=58357

Poor man's LaMark.

(Safety)

[michigancat]

I wish we had 8 Lamarks    That would be a salty LB/S/WR/HB unit.

QFT

Maybe bulk a couple up and have some DE's.

[chum1]

I wish we had 8 Lamarks    That would be a salty LB/S/WR/HB unit.

QFT

Maybe bulk a couple up and have some DE's.

Not surprised.  This type of thing sounds like the football version of your basketball strategy which is to strive for a lineup consisting of five Michael Jordans.

[michigancat]

I wish we had 8 Lamarks    That would be a salty LB/S/WR/HB unit.

QFT

Maybe bulk a couple up and have some DE's.

Not surprised.  This type of thing sounds like the football version of your basketball strategy which is to strive for a lineup consisting of five Michael Jordans.

LOL @ having five players that can't shoot the three.

LOL

chum1 (Premium Edition)'s shtick

[KSU4ME]

Safety isn't all that different from linebacker.

 

How often do safeties have to shed OL to make a tackle?

Picture Marcus Watts lining up in Chris Patterson's spot....or Reggie Walker lining up at Watts' spot.

[catzacker]

Safety isn't all that different from linebacker.

 

How often do safeties have to shed OL to make a tackle?

Picture Marcus Watts lining up in Chris Patterson's spot....or Reggie Walker lining up at Watts' spot.

I think a guy with Lamark's athleticism would be able to line up where Watts or Patterson plays and do well.  Dude has the abilities to play wherever, I just think he'd end up have a larger impact on defense. 

[KSU4ME]

If he can play anywhere, we really need a DT.

But to say there's not much difference between safety and LB is just stupidity.

[cas]

I wish we had 8 Lamarks    That would be a salty LB/S/WR/HB unit.

Very True.

[ksuno1stunner]

Safety isn't all that different from linebacker.

 

How often do safeties have to shed OL to make a tackle?

Picture Marcus Watts lining up in Chris Patterson's spot....or Reggie Walker lining up at Watts' spot.

What I meant was you can develop a 6'3'' 220 pound guy into a linebacker or safety.  It'd be easier to move a safety to linebacker.  Pretty much the main thing is if there's a safety agile enough to play at 220, then they usually wouldn't be too bad at LB.  I can definitely see Watts at linebacker if needed...easy...and that happens to be what LaMark would do...actually...does he even play safety?  I thought he did...maybe he doesn't...but still...S to LB is more possible than LB to S...

Safety isn't all that different from linebacker.

 

How often do safeties have to shed OL to make a tackle?

Picture Marcus Watts lining up in Chris Patterson's spot....or Reggie Walker lining up at Watts' spot.

I think a guy with Lamark's athleticism would be able to line up where Watts or Patterson plays and do well.  Dude has the abilities to play wherever, I just think he'd end up have a larger impact on defense. 

QFT on your first part, QFT sort of on your second part, we really don't know where he'll have the most impact.  When you have a 6'4'' 220 beast on a crapty team, you usually try to get him the ball as much as possible.  So who knows how good of a season he would have had as a wide receiver, but at least according to our coaches (who watched him up close at camp), he was solid at receiver.

If he can play anywhere, we really need a DT.

But to say there's not much difference between safety and LB is just stupidity.

Why do you always try to be so mean to me.  I'm even on your side...I want to see LaMark at receiver.

Do you think Antwon Moore had much trouble moving to linebacker?  Do you really think that shedding blocks is really the difference between how good a guy is at safety vs. linebacker?  It might just be my opinion, but if a guy is agile enough to play safety at a heavier weight, then he should make the transition to linebacker fine.  Don't take the linebacker vs. safety thing too literally, what mattered was although he excelled at safety (really, all I know was he kicked ass there in the All star game....wasn't he actually a corner in that game though?), it's not a huge jump to move to linebacker.  I'm just rambling now...but here is what everyone should fricking realize but nobody does...

HIGH SCHOOL POSITIONS ARE OVERRATED

Is that not obvious, considering most of you have followed recruiting for multiple years?

[catzacker]

If he can play anywhere, we really need a DT.

But to say there's not much difference between safety and LB is just stupidity.

The difference between him learning Safety at the college level and learning LB at the college level, after playing safety in HS is marginal.  That's the reason people can project him at LB and say there's "not much difference" than playing safety. 

[KSU4ME]

List of guys that are hate mailing their coaches for not listening to powertards that wanted them to become LBs:

Calvin Johnson
Dwayne Bowe
Dwayne Jarrett
Maurice Stovall
Marques Colston

Just rambling.

And Stunner, I don't think the ability to shed blocks is the difference between LB and Safety, I think it's one of the differences. 

And Watts would be greatly minimized if we stuck him at LB. 

[catzacker]

List of guys that are hate mailing their coaches for not listening to powertards that wanted them to become LBs:

Calvin Johnson
Dwayne Bowe
Dwayne Jarrett
Maurice Stovall
Marques Colston

Just rambling.

And Stunner, I don't think the ability to shed blocks is the difference between LB and Safety, I think it's one of the differences. 

And Watts would be greatly minimized if we stuck him at LB. 

Rashaad Washinton, Lamar Chapman, Jon McGraw, Watts, all thank their coaches for having the foresight to take from the offensive side of the ball to defense.  Just saying. 

[KSU4ME]

I'm with you now, you have convinced me.

There is no place for 6'3" 215lb receivers in football.  That is not the direction the game is going.  Athletes of that size should not have the ball in their hands, they should be on defense.

And it's clear that Brown could come in, without ever having played LB, and beat out players like Reggie Walker, Justin Roland and Chris Patterson.

[catzacker]

I could beat out Reggie Walker, but sadly, I have no eligibility left.   

I'm not saying he shouldn't play WR, I think that given the our LB situation this year and maybe even more so next year, he'd have a greater impact at that position.  IMO, WR is an over valued position. 

[chum1]

All KSU4ME has left is the (slightly better than) 1 in 1000 argument.  He's done.

[michigancat]

All KSU4ME has left is the (slightly better than) 1 in 1000 argument.  He's done.

Maybe he should bring up basketball. 

I could beat out Reggie Walker, but sadly, I have no eligibility left.   

I'm not saying he shouldn't play WR, I think that given the our LB situation this year and maybe even more so next year, he'd have a greater impact at that position.  IMO, WR is an over valued position. 

I think he has a better chance of starting from day 1 at WR.  Get him on the field, now.

[KSU4ME]

All KSU4ME has left is the (slightly better than) 1 in 1000 argument.  He's done.

You must think lowly of Mr. Brown if you fell he's just a 1 in 1000 shot to be a great receiver.  I think it's much more likely that he's an impact receiver.

And I think Brown would rather strive to be like Johnson/Jarrett/Bowe/Stovall/Colston than Marcus Watts.

You're argument is based entirely on supposition.  Quite solid.

[michigancat]

Speaking of position changes, I think we should move Freeman to TE based on his size, and to a lesser extent, speed.