consensus #3

[Saulbadguy]

You can't just look at the commitment list from Texas and decide since a team has a ton of 5 stars, they should win the national championship every year.  Usually the same people who chirp about how "STAR'S DON'T MATTER/DARREN SPROLES/TERENCE NEWMAN/OMG" are the first to line up and say Mack Brown sucks because he can't win the NC every year with a bunch of 5 stars (hypocritical). 

Well said.

not real sure where this came from but stars do matter which completely supports my argument.  and the reason texas wont win the national championship every year is because mack brown sucks as a coach.

So why doesn't Stoops (who you said is an excellent recruiter and coach) win the big one every single year?

because hes not at texas.

Yeah.  I'm pretty sure this argument is over.

[swish1]

Would Stoops have won a NC without Josh Heupel?

i dont know.  but josh heupel is no vince young.  with that team it was really more of the system than the player which is why stoops is a great coach.

[Saulbadguy]

If Urban Meyer doesn't win the NC every year, he will be a crappy coach too.  After all, he is at Florida.

[swish1]

You can't just look at the commitment list from Texas and decide since a team has a ton of 5 stars, they should win the national championship every year.  Usually the same people who chirp about how "STAR'S DON'T MATTER/DARREN SPROLES/TERENCE NEWMAN/OMG" are the first to line up and say Mack Brown sucks because he can't win the NC every year with a bunch of 5 stars (hypocritical). 

Well said.

not real sure where this came from but stars do matter which completely supports my argument.  and the reason texas wont win the national championship every year is because mack brown sucks as a coach.

So why doesn't Stoops (who you said is an excellent recruiter and coach) win the big one every single year?

because hes not at texas.

Yeah.  I'm pretty sure this argument is over.

im not saying stoops would win it every year at texas.  there are plenty of other good coaches or at least good recruiters out there.  i responded to a stupid question with a stupid answer.  nobody wins the big one every year.

[swish1]

If Urban Meyer doesn't win the NC every year, he will be a crappy coach too.  After all, he is at Florida.

thank you for making my point for me.  he is a good coach as well.  florida is going to be back to the days of spurrier with him there.

[michigancat]

Would Stoops have won a NC without Josh Heupel?

i dont know.  but josh heupel is no vince young.  with that team it was really more of the system than the player which is why stoops is a great coach.

He couldn't win a NC with a Heisman winner at QB and a Heisman finalist at running back.  WTF?

[swish1]

Would Stoops have won a NC without Josh Heupel?

i dont know.  but josh heupel is no vince young.  with that team it was really more of the system than the player which is why stoops is a great coach.

He couldn't win a NC with a Heisman winner at QB and a Heisman finalist at running back.  WTF?

so now because he had one bad game hes a crappy coach?

[kougar24]

the reason texas wont win the national championship every year is because mack brown sucks as a coach.

i responded to a stupid question with a stupid answer.  nobody wins the big one every year.

Now I can see how you conclude Mack Brown sucks as a coach. 

[swish1]

im not saying stoops would win it every year at texas.  there are plenty of other good coaches or at least good recruiters out there.  i responded to a stupid question with a stupid answer.  nobody wins the big one every year.

way to completely leave out the first part of that quote so that you can try and make your point. 

nobody is going to win it all every year but consistently falling short of expectations except for one year is not something a good coach should do.

[fatty fat fat]

FYI: Before 2000 Texas had 4 seasons of 11 wins.

Before 2000 Texas hadn't finished in the top 10 since....1983.

[catzacker]

If Urban Meyer doesn't win the NC every year, he will be a crappy coach too.  After all, he is at Florida.

thank you for making my point for me.  he is a good coach as well.  florida is going to be back to the days of spurrier with him there.

No, he's not a good coach, it's just that he's in Florida, right?

[ksuno1stunner]

I missed a lot of this discussion, but you can't really say "Texas sucks because they usually don't do much with 5 star talent" because really, a lot of other teams get that type of talent too.

[JTKSU]

The knock on Mack Brown WAS always, he can recruit, but he can't beat Oklahoma, and he hasn't won a championship.  Well, he has now proven he can (and has) done both, so I'd say it's fair to put him in the "he can coach AND recruit" group now.  Callahan, however, will remain in the "he can recruit, but he can't coach his way out of a paper bag" group until furthur notice.

[yosh]

When UT hired Mack Brown away from UNC, everybody  knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that UT was going to be a top 10 team.  Mack Brown didn't start to "suck" until he went to Texas and UT only became the top team in the conference by a small margin, rather than a huge margin.  People's expectations of UT and how easy it is there are silly.  If Brown wanted to come to K-State, I'd help pack Prince's bags.

[ECN]

is it pronounced yosh...like josh? or osh kosh
or yosh, like yo-shhhh,YOSHima, YOshi?


pissclams PM'd me to ask you.

[Dan Rydell]

In all this discussion of underachieving coaches, I think we're missing the most important thing here:

What's the reaction of Hoax and DocHolliday to their savior in what, his sixth (?) year, getting picked behind KSU's second-year man?

I mean, no doubt Mangino's got the program headed in the right direction...from 6th place to 4th in the North in only six years.  At this pace, their sights should be firmly set on 2nd place by 2013!

[mjrod]

In all this discussion of underachieving coaches, I think we're missing the most important thing here:

What's the reaction of Hoax and DocHolliday to their savior in what, his sixth (?) year, getting picked behind KSU's second-year man?

I mean, no doubt Mangino's got the program headed in the right direction...from 6th place to 4th in the North in only six years.  At this pace, their sights should be firmly set on 2nd place by 2013!

Isn't that the million (and a half) dollar question?

[JMITCH]

Mack Brown out-coached Snyder in 02 and 03.

Mack Brown took a 4-7 Texas team in 1997 and turned them into a 9-3 cotton bowl champs in his 1st year.
You suck.

Fatty nailed this one.  The ride back from Austin will be a long one.

[vanro031]

Keep in mind you have to water JMitch twice a week to make him make any sense.

[yosh]

is it pronounced yosh...like josh? or osh kosh
or yosh, like yo-shhhh,YOSHima, YOshi?


pissclams PM'd me to ask you.

The second one...long O. 

[chum1]

Mac on Mack:

Coach Mack Brown has done a superb job of recruiting since he became head coach at Texas; however, his coaching on Saturdays leaves something to be desired.

http://www.ksallink.com/Sports/SportsEd/

[chum1]

As I've posted over the past couple years. Some people will claim that they hav the winningest coach or program over x number of years. So I compiled a table showing the winningest Div 1A coaches over periods ranging from 2 to 20 years.

2005-2006 23-Brown, Carroll 22-6 tied
2004-2006 36-Carroll 34-Brown, Meyer 33-Tuberville
2003-2006 48-Carroll 44-Brown, Meyer
2002-2006 59-Carroll 55-Brown, Tressel
2001-2006 66-Brown 65-Carroll 62-Tressel
2000-2006 75-Brown 71-Stoops 68-Beamer 66-Tuberville
1999-2006 84-Brown 79-Beamer 74-Bowden
1998-2006 93-Brown 88-Beamer 85-Bowden 84-Carr
1997-2006 103-Brown 96-Bowden, Carr 95-Beamer
1996-2006 113-Brown 107-Bowden 105-Beamer 104-Fullmer
1995-2006 120-Brown 117-Bowden 115-Beamer, Fullmer
1994-2006 128-Brown 127-Bowden 123-Beamer, Fullmer
1993-2006 139-Bowden 138-Brown 133-Fullmer 132-Beamer
1992-2006 150-Bowden 147-Brown 137-Fullmer 134-Beamer
1991-2006 161-Bowden 154-Brown 139-Beamer 134-Paterno
1990-2006 171-Bowden 160-Brown 145-Beamer 143-Paterno
1989-2006 181-Bowden 161-Brown 151-Paterno, Beamer
1988-2006 192-Bowden 162-Brown 156-Paterno 154-Beamer
1987-2006 203-Bowden 168-Brown 164-Paterno 157-Spurrier

link to hornfans.com

[KSU4ME]

Is that good?

[michigancat]

Is that good?

Having more wins than anyone not named Bobby Bowden over the last 20 years?

[KSU4ME]

Is that good?

Having more wins than anyone not named Bobby Bowden over the last 20 years?