consensus #3

[mjrod]

People who claim Mack Brown is anything but a great coach = Powertard

Also, LOL @ people who say "all he does is recruit" like it's no big deal or something.

my grandma could recruit to texas.  however mack brown was a good recruiter while he was at unc too.  he still cant coach.  neither can rick barnes for that matter.

Recruiting to Texas is easy because Mack Brown made it easy.

partially true.  but it was pretty easy before he was there too.

Well, then he's an awesome coach.  Didn't he win their first NC in 30+(?) years?

You can't have it both ways.

Vince Young did. 

[michigancat]

People who claim Mack Brown is anything but a great coach = Powertard

Also, LOL @ people who say "all he does is recruit" like it's no big deal or something.

my grandma could recruit to texas.  however mack brown was a good recruiter while he was at unc too.  he still cant coach.  neither can rick barnes for that matter.

Recruiting to Texas is easy because Mack Brown made it easy.

partially true.  but it was pretty easy before he was there too.

Well, then he's an awesome coach.  Didn't he win their first NC in 30+(?) years?

You can't have it both ways.

Vince Young did. 

Would Vince Young commit to a perennial 4-7/5-6/6-5 Jon Mackovic program?

[mjrod]

Does the hypothetical game mean you have a valid point or something?   It doesn't and it would all be speculation.   No one is questioning Mack Brown's ability to recruit, but his coaching does seem to have issues.

BTW:  Worked for Ricky Williams.

[swish1]

People who claim Mack Brown is anything but a great coach = Powertard

Also, LOL @ people who say "all he does is recruit" like it's no big deal or something.

my grandma could recruit to texas.  however mack brown was a good recruiter while he was at unc too.  he still cant coach.  neither can rick barnes for that matter.

Recruiting to Texas is easy because Mack Brown made it easy.

partially true.  but it was pretty easy before he was there too.

Well, then he's an awesome coach.  Didn't he win their first NC in 30+(?) years?

You can't have it both ways.

how does that make him an awesome coach?  he can recruit.  hes very good at part of his job but sucks hard at the other part.  and for what its worth vince young won that title the only thing mack brown had to do with it was recruiting him.

[michigancat]

how does that make him an awesome coach?  he can recruit.  hes very good at part of his job but sucks hard at the other part.  and for what its worth vince young won that title the only thing mack brown had to do with it was recruiting him.

Winning National Titles and 80% of your games make you an awesome coach, no matter how you do it.  Believe it or not, recruiting is a fairly important part of coaching.

p.s.

Since 1950 at Texas:

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Coach Yrs Record W%

Mack Brown 9 93-22 .809
Darrell Royal 20 167-47-5 .774
Fred Akers 10 86-31-2 .731
John Mackovic 6 41-28-2 .592
Edwin Booth Price 6 33-27-1 .549
David McWilliams    5  31-26  .544
If you want an example of a guy that could recruit and not coach, look no further than Ron Zook.  Mack Brown is a horrible example.

[catzacker]

What's wrong with being such an incredible recruiter that you win a national title?  John Blake, who by all accounts (except NU fans after he left) is an outstanding recruiter, but couldn't accomplish anything at OU.  

[vanro031]

What's wrong with being such an incredible recruiter that you win a national title?  John Blake, who by all accounts (except NU fans after he left) is an outstanding recruiter, but couldn't accomplish anything at OU. 

John was a great recruiter but I think he has lost his touch or just may have been the case where he was brought in to be the final closer.

[Iceberg]

This shouldn't come by a surprise. Everyone has had us at three. I was surprised to see that Missouri is number 1. I expected them to pick Nebraska. What is interesting is that by doing the math that all the number 1 and 2 votes when to Missouri and Nebraska.

We have 16 3rd place votes and 8 fourth place votes, and have as much as a nod a 3rd as Missouri does 1st.

ku is barely 4th. lol

[swish1]

What's wrong with being such an incredible recruiter that you win a national title?  John Blake, who by all accounts (except NU fans after he left) is an outstanding recruiter, but couldn't accomplish anything at OU. 

there is nothing wrong with being an incredible recruiter and a crappy coach.  id love to have mack brown at kstate right now but hes not a good game coach.

[catzacker]

What's wrong with being such an incredible recruiter that you win a national title?  John Blake, who by all accounts (except NU fans after he left) is an outstanding recruiter, but couldn't accomplish anything at OU. 

there is nothing wrong with being an incredible recruiter and a crappy coach.  id love to have mack brown at kstate right now but hes not a good game coach.

Describe "good game coach" and give examples.  He got talented players and put them in a position to win.  What more is a coach supposed to do? 

[michigancat]

What's wrong with being such an incredible recruiter that you win a national title?  John Blake, who by all accounts (except NU fans after he left) is an outstanding recruiter, but couldn't accomplish anything at OU. 

there is nothing wrong with being an incredible recruiter and a crappy coach. 

I don't think you should ever separate the two when comparing college coaches.  It's a pretty worthless discussion, even for message boards.

[michigancat]

BTW, I'd take Mack Brown over Bill Snyder (post 2000) to be my gameday coach.

[swish1]

What's wrong with being such an incredible recruiter that you win a national title?  John Blake, who by all accounts (except NU fans after he left) is an outstanding recruiter, but couldn't accomplish anything at OU. 

there is nothing wrong with being an incredible recruiter and a crappy coach.  id love to have mack brown at kstate right now but hes not a good game coach.

Describe "good game coach" and give examples.  He got talented players and put them in a position to win.  What more is a coach supposed to do? 

im way to lazy to do this so just look at the kstate-texas game last year as a pretty good example.

[swish1]

What's wrong with being such an incredible recruiter that you win a national title?  John Blake, who by all accounts (except NU fans after he left) is an outstanding recruiter, but couldn't accomplish anything at OU. 

there is nothing wrong with being an incredible recruiter and a crappy coach. 

I don't think you should ever separate the two when comparing college coaches.  It's a pretty worthless discussion, even for message boards.

its not worthless on gameday.  for what its worth i dont think pete carroll is a good coach either.  your right about recruiting being the most important part of college football but in my opinion coaching is not the same as recruiting.

[kougar24]

What's wrong with being such an incredible recruiter that you win a national title?  John Blake, who by all accounts (except NU fans after he left) is an outstanding recruiter, but couldn't accomplish anything at OU. 

there is nothing wrong with being an incredible recruiter and a crappy coach.  id love to have mack brown at kstate right now but hes not a good game coach.

Describe "good game coach" and give examples.  He got talented players and put them in a position to win.  What more is a coach supposed to do? 

im way to lazy to do this so just look at the kstate-texas game last year as a pretty good example.

What about UT's gameplan was bad? They put up 42 points. No one could have predicted that the Freeman-Figurs combo would torch them so bad. It was just talent vs. a sub-par UT secondary (for UT).

[michigancat]

What's wrong with being such an incredible recruiter that you win a national title?  John Blake, who by all accounts (except NU fans after he left) is an outstanding recruiter, but couldn't accomplish anything at OU. 

there is nothing wrong with being an incredible recruiter and a crappy coach. 

I don't think you should ever separate the two when comparing college coaches.  It's a pretty worthless discussion, even for message boards.

its not worthless on gameday.  for what its worth i dont think pete carroll is a good coach either.  your right about recruiting being the most important part of college football but in my opinion coaching is not the same as recruiting.

Um, yeah it is.  They're completely intertwined.

I can't believe I'm arguing with someone who honestly believes 2 of the last 3 NC coaches are bad coaches.

[catzacker]

What's wrong with being such an incredible recruiter that you win a national title?  John Blake, who by all accounts (except NU fans after he left) is an outstanding recruiter, but couldn't accomplish anything at OU. 

there is nothing wrong with being an incredible recruiter and a crappy coach.  id love to have mack brown at kstate right now but hes not a good game coach.

Describe "good game coach" and give examples.  He got talented players and put them in a position to win.  What more is a coach supposed to do? 

im way to lazy to do this so just look at the kstate-texas game last year as a pretty good example.

You can't be serious.  It was an upset, not an indicator of each's ability to coach.   So Bob Pruett > Bill Snyder?  The UT game should never be used as an example of anything except what an upset in college football looks like.

[swish1]

What's wrong with being such an incredible recruiter that you win a national title?  John Blake, who by all accounts (except NU fans after he left) is an outstanding recruiter, but couldn't accomplish anything at OU. 

there is nothing wrong with being an incredible recruiter and a crappy coach. 

I don't think you should ever separate the two when comparing college coaches.  It's a pretty worthless discussion, even for message boards.

its not worthless on gameday.  for what its worth i dont think pete carroll is a good coach either.  your right about recruiting being the most important part of college football but in my opinion coaching is not the same as recruiting.

Um, yeah it is.  They're completely intertwined.

I can't believe I'm arguing with someone who honestly believes 2 of the last 3 NC coaches are bad coaches.

look at pete carrolls record in the nfl.  why do you think bob stoops kicks mack browns ass most every year?  they can recruit but they suck at the x's and o's.  like you said it doesnt take good coaching to be a successful coach in college football.

[Saulbadguy]

You can't just look at the commitment list from Texas and decide since a team has a ton of 5 stars, they should win the national championship every year.  Usually the same people who chirp about how "STAR'S DON'T MATTER/DARREN SPROLES/TERENCE NEWMAN/OMG" are the first to line up and say Mack Brown sucks because he can't win the NC every year with a bunch of 5 stars (hypocritical). 

[michigancat]

look at pete carrolls record in the nfl.  why do you think bob stoops kicks mack browns ass most every year?  they can recruit but they suck at the x's and o's.  like you said it doesnt take good coaching to be a successful coach in college football.

Mack is 3-5 against Stoops (excellent recruiter, BTW).  Bill Snyder is 1-5.

If good coaching isn't important, why are you worried about who's the better "gameday coach"?

[kougar24]

You can't just look at the commitment list from Texas and decide since a team has a ton of 5 stars, they should win the national championship every year.  Usually the same people who chirp about how "STAR'S DON'T MATTER/DARREN SPROLES/TERENCE NEWMAN/OMG" are the first to line up and say Mack Brown sucks because he can't win the NC every year with a bunch of 5 stars (hypocritical). 

Well said.

[Saulbadguy]

I'd also like to add the only way fans can evaluate "talent" is by looking at STARS, offer lists, and video clips of .005% of a players career. 

[swish1]

look at pete carrolls record in the nfl.  why do you think bob stoops kicks mack browns ass most every year?  they can recruit but they suck at the x's and o's.  like you said it doesnt take good coaching to be a successful coach in college football.

Mack is 3-5 against Stoops (excellent recruiter, BTW).  Bill Snyder is 1-5.

If good coaching isn't important, why are you worried about who's the better "gameday coach"?

it is important for that game.  which is why mack brown needed a guy like vince young to win the big one.

stoops is an excellent recruiter and coach.

[swish1]

You can't just look at the commitment list from Texas and decide since a team has a ton of 5 stars, they should win the national championship every year.  Usually the same people who chirp about how "STAR'S DON'T MATTER/DARREN SPROLES/TERENCE NEWMAN/OMG" are the first to line up and say Mack Brown sucks because he can't win the NC every year with a bunch of 5 stars (hypocritical). 

Well said.

not real sure where this came from but stars do matter which completely supports my argument.  and the reason texas wont win the national championship every year is because mack brown sucks as a coach.

[michigancat]

look at pete carrolls record in the nfl.  why do you think bob stoops kicks mack browns ass most every year?  they can recruit but they suck at the x's and o's.  like you said it doesnt take good coaching to be a successful coach in college football.

Mack is 3-5 against Stoops (excellent recruiter, BTW).  Bill Snyder is 1-5.

If good coaching isn't important, why are you worried about who's the better "gameday coach"?

it is important for that game.  which is why mack brown needed a guy like vince young to win the big one.

stoops is an excellent recruiter and coach with a lower winning percentage than Mack Brown.

FYP

[kougar24]

You can't just look at the commitment list from Texas and decide since a team has a ton of 5 stars, they should win the national championship every year.  Usually the same people who chirp about how "STAR'S DON'T MATTER/DARREN SPROLES/TERENCE NEWMAN/OMG" are the first to line up and say Mack Brown sucks because he can't win the NC every year with a bunch of 5 stars (hypocritical). 

Well said.

not real sure where this came from but stars do matter which completely supports my argument.  and the reason texas wont win the national championship every year is because mack brown sucks as a coach.

So why doesn't Stoops (who you said is an excellent recruiter and coach) win the big one every single year?

[Saulbadguy]

You can't just look at the commitment list from Texas and decide since a team has a ton of 5 stars, they should win the national championship every year.  Usually the same people who chirp about how "STAR'S DON'T MATTER/DARREN SPROLES/TERENCE NEWMAN/OMG" are the first to line up and say Mack Brown sucks because he can't win the NC every year with a bunch of 5 stars (hypocritical). 

Well said.

not real sure where this came from but stars do matter which completely supports my argument.  and the reason texas wont win the national championship every year is because mack brown sucks as a coach.

So, every coach who doesn't win the national championship every year sucks?

Gotcha.

[swish1]

You can't just look at the commitment list from Texas and decide since a team has a ton of 5 stars, they should win the national championship every year.  Usually the same people who chirp about how "STAR'S DON'T MATTER/DARREN SPROLES/TERENCE NEWMAN/OMG" are the first to line up and say Mack Brown sucks because he can't win the NC every year with a bunch of 5 stars (hypocritical). 

Well said.

not real sure where this came from but stars do matter which completely supports my argument.  and the reason texas wont win the national championship every year is because mack brown sucks as a coach.

So why doesn't Stoops (who you said is an excellent recruiter and coach) win the big one every single year?

because hes not at texas.

[kougar24]

You can't just look at the commitment list from Texas and decide since a team has a ton of 5 stars, they should win the national championship every year.  Usually the same people who chirp about how "STAR'S DON'T MATTER/DARREN SPROLES/TERENCE NEWMAN/OMG" are the first to line up and say Mack Brown sucks because he can't win the NC every year with a bunch of 5 stars (hypocritical). 

Well said.

not real sure where this came from but stars do matter which completely supports my argument.  and the reason texas wont win the national championship every year is because mack brown sucks as a coach.

So why doesn't Stoops (who you said is an excellent recruiter and coach) win the big one every single year?

because hes not at texas.

Wow.

[michigancat]

Would Stoops have won a NC without Josh Heupel?