Cal Bears = # 12 offense last year...

[The Manhatter]

their OL starter suckage..

LT - not in database
LG - http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=7433
C - http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=20346
RG - http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=18719
RT - http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=7435

must be tough being a Cal Bear fan w/ sucky OL.

 

[ksuno1stunner]

Sounds like Douglas has "it".

[Maxell]

As long as you're satisfied with your recruiting, it doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks. Maybe Prince will end up being a genius by taking a group of largely unheralded players and molding them into something. If you can say you like his approach, then good deal. It sounds like a lot of your fellow fans would rather be going at recruiting in a different way.

[cireksu]

i'd rather have a big black texan wearing a hard core rapper shirt than a big white ks kid with a george straight shirt.

don't tell butler that though.

[opcat]

You mean like when Snyder's team of mainly 3 & 2 star guys  dismantled and destroyed NU at your place and your crowd melted down and stormed you ad offices and forced the firing of your coach.

[The Manhatter]

As long as you're satisfied with your recruiting, it doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks. Maybe Prince will end up being a genius by taking a group of largely unheralded players and molding them into something. If you can say you like his approach, then good deal. It sounds like a lot of your fellow fans would rather be going at recruiting in a different way.

I noticed you completely ducked from answering my rebuttal to your "sounds like he's recruiting like Solich" line in the other thread.

I wonder how many 4 and 5 star OL were on these offenses last season?....here are your top 30 offenses from just the BCS conferences last year.  I bet you can't find many, if any, 4 or 5 star...or even high 3 star signees starting on any of the OL of the teams I highlighted.  And I know many I didn't highlight might have had one 4 star starter, if that.  In other words...Givens, Hoch, Steinkuhler, and Robinson...there will be some big time busts in that group, guaranteed.

 
2 Louisville
5 West Virginia
6 Texas Tech
8 Missouri
9 Oregon
11 LSU - other than Herm Johnson everybody else 3 or lower
12 California
13 Purdue
14 Nebraska <-- dorks
15 Clemson
16 Oklahoma St. - well, I think the freshman RT was ranked fairly high
18 Texas A&M
19 Florida - not a single 4 star OL starter on NC OL
20 South Carolina
21 Southern California
22 Texas
23 Notre Dame
25 Washington St.
26 Ohio St.
27 Iowa
29 Arkansas
30 Minnesota
31 Kentucky
33 Kansas
35 Wisconsin
36 Tennessee
37 Pittsburgh
38 Michigan
40 Oklahoma
42 Arizona St.

[Maxell]

You mean like when Snyder's team of mainly 3 & 2 star guys  dismantled and destroyed NU at your place and your crowd melted down and stormed you ad offices and forced the firing of your coach.

You had more talent than we did. Period. In fact, interesting story-one of Nebraska's current players was also being recruited by Kansas State in 2003 and he took a visit down to Manhattan the summer before he committed. A few weeks later I was talking to this players dad and the father told me that after seeing Kansas State players, we were going to get our butts kicked. He said it was a whole different type of player than we had up here at Nebraska. He wasn't wrong.

[The Manhatter]

You mean like when Snyder's team of mainly 3 & 2 star guys  dismantled and destroyed NU at your place and your crowd melted down and stormed you ad offices and forced the firing of your coach.

You had more talent than we did. Period. In fact, interesting story-one of Nebraska's current players was also being recruited by Kansas State in 2003 and he took a visit down to Manhattan the summer before he committed. A few weeks later I was talking to this players dad and the father told me that after seeing Kansas State players, we were going to get our butts kicked. He said it was a whole different type of player than we had up here at Nebraska. He wasn't wrong.

LOL that you keep insisting we had more talent.  The NFL disagreed...but it's a good thing some kid's father knows more than the league.

well done.

[Maxell]

As long as you're satisfied with your recruiting, it doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks. Maybe Prince will end up being a genius by taking a group of largely unheralded players and molding them into something. If you can say you like his approach, then good deal. It sounds like a lot of your fellow fans would rather be going at recruiting in a different way.

I noticed you completely ducked from answering my rebuttal to your "sounds like he's recruiting like Solich" line in the other thread.

I wonder how many 4 and 5 star OL were on these offenses last season?....here are your top 30 offenses from just the BCS conferences last year.  I bet you can't find many, if any, 4 or 5 star...or even high 3 star signees starting on any of the OL of the teams I highlighted.  And I know many I didn't highlight might have had one 4 star starter, if that.  In other words...Givens, Hoch, Steinkuhler, and Robinson...there will be some big time busts in that group, guaranteed.

 
2 Louisville
5 West Virginia
6 Texas Tech
8 Missouri
9 Oregon
11 LSU - other than Herm Johnson everybody else 3 or lower
12 California
13 Purdue
14 Nebraska <-- dorks
15 Clemson
16 Oklahoma St. - well, I think the freshman RT was ranked fairly high
18 Texas A&M
19 Florida - not a single 4 star OL starter on NC OL
20 South Carolina
21 Southern California
22 Texas
23 Notre Dame
25 Washington St.
26 Ohio St.
27 Iowa
29 Arkansas
30 Minnesota
31 Kentucky
33 Kansas
35 Wisconsin
36 Tennessee
37 Pittsburgh
38 Michigan
40 Oklahoma
42 Arizona St.

Busts? Could happen although I doubt it. Wagner has taken lesser talent and turned it into first round NFL talent. Callahan has proven he is one of the top 5 OL coaches in all of football. But they'll just recruit another great group of OL behind them in 2008 in case something doesn't work out. There are so many good young future NFL OL in the Nebraska program right now that it is no concern for the next 4-5 years.

[The Manhatter]

As long as you're satisfied with your recruiting, it doesn't really matter what anyone else thinks. Maybe Prince will end up being a genius by taking a group of largely unheralded players and molding them into something. If you can say you like his approach, then good deal. It sounds like a lot of your fellow fans would rather be going at recruiting in a different way.

I noticed you completely ducked from answering my rebuttal to your "sounds like he's recruiting like Solich" line in the other thread.

I wonder how many 4 and 5 star OL were on these offenses last season?....here are your top 30 offenses from just the BCS conferences last year.  I bet you can't find many, if any, 4 or 5 star...or even high 3 star signees starting on any of the OL of the teams I highlighted.  And I know many I didn't highlight might have had one 4 star starter, if that.  In other words...Givens, Hoch, Steinkuhler, and Robinson...there will be some big time busts in that group, guaranteed.

 
2 Louisville
5 West Virginia
6 Texas Tech
8 Missouri
9 Oregon
11 LSU - other than Herm Johnson everybody else 3 or lower
12 California
13 Purdue
14 Nebraska <-- dorks
15 Clemson
16 Oklahoma St. - well, I think the freshman RT was ranked fairly high
18 Texas A&M
19 Florida - not a single 4 star OL starter on NC OL
20 South Carolina
21 Southern California
22 Texas
23 Notre Dame
25 Washington St.
26 Ohio St.
27 Iowa
29 Arkansas
30 Minnesota
31 Kentucky
33 Kansas
35 Wisconsin
36 Tennessee
37 Pittsburgh
38 Michigan
40 Oklahoma
42 Arizona St.

Busts? Could happen although I doubt it. Wagner has taken lesser talent and turned it into first round NFL talent. Callahan has proven he is one of the top 5 OL coaches in all of football. But they'll just recruit another great group of OL behind them in 2008 in case something doesn't work out. There are so many good young future NFL OL in the Nebraska program right now that it is no concern for the next 4-5 years.

hey idiot...it's going to happen.  How did the Picou kid work out for ya?  Get it yet?  There are a bunch of teams on the list I just provided who signed more 4 and 5 star OL than Nebraska will ever dream about...and those bubbles busted and gave way to a number of 2 and 3 star kids who eventually started for them.  If you would like some examples I would be more than happy to show you a few.

LOL that you stilll think each of the 4 current NU OL commits is going to live up to his billing just because your fat OL coach is who you think he is...LOL.  Are you 10 years of age?  Hoch looked like a joke in his one on one's in Columbia.  Hell, it was obvious in the initial write up that the coaches there liked Douglas more...then, somehow, between that write up and a later one on Columbia some things "changed" and Hoch was okay again.  Interesting. 

I don't know who it will be but one or a few of Steinkuhler, Givens, Robinson, and Hoch will turn out to be bums....it's just the numbers.

[Maxell]

Yeah and then Jaivorio Burkes will step in and eat your pissant D linemen for lunch. Get it? You could only dream Dan Hoch would commit to Kansas State. Its funny he was bumped to 4 stars after his Columbia camp. But hey, have fun with Pure Country.

Oh and then you have to add in this guy here. He was the best lineman out of Omaha since Dave Rimington. And his former HS coach said he was ahead of Rimington at the same age. The coach would know since he coached them both. 

[The Manhatter]

Yeah and then Jaivorio Burkes will step in and eat your pissant D linemen for lunch. Get it? You could only dream Dan Hoch would commit to Kansas State. Its funny he was bumped to 4 stars after his Columbia camp. But hey, have fun with Pure Country.

Oh and then you have to add in this guy here. He was the best lineman out of Omaha since Dave Rimington. And his former HS coach said he was ahead of Rimington at the same age. The coach would know since he coached them both. 

Oh Dear God...Henry = Rimington now.  Is he doing juice too?  I mean what if Steinkuhler is pulling a Benoit and sticking his kid in the arse w/ Uncle (Dr.) Tom's potion just like he did himself and admitted to?

But getting back to Hoch...hilarious.  Stars came out the first time just recently...he was never "upgraded"...in fact he dropped from the rivals100.  Feel free to watch the Columbia Nike OL vs. DL video...the one on student sports.  Hoch is the kid in Carolina blue shorts and it's embarrassing for a husker fan to see how he gets worked.  Guess that is why Ferentz didn't offer.

[Maxell]

Ferentz had no chance to get Hoch because the kid was a Nebraska fan, not an Iowa fan. Funny that USC, ISU and KSU are still coming after Dan. You're right though. I'd rather have a dude that was 2nd team all squaw valley with no offers, who wears a George Strait shirt. Those are the kind of players that win championships!

[Maxell]

Oh and BTW

"I've been in the OPS system for a long time, and Dave Rimington is the only player I've coached comparable to Ricky. It's fun to watch him play. He loves the game of football and he doesn't take plays off" — Burke coach Jack Oholendt

"Ricky is one of the best lineman prospects I have ever coached. I coached Dave Rimington during his high school career at Omaha South, and Ricky is a better looking prospect at this stage in his career than Dave was. " — Jack Oholendt, Omaha Burke Head Coach

Hope you've got some elite DL prospects in the pipe Hatter. You'll need them.

[ksuno1stunner]

after each rivals nike camp a "top 11" is named as the best players from each camp.

The "top 11" from the Columbia Nike:

Columbia NIKE Camp Hot 11
-Tim Biere, TE, Omaha (Neb.) Westside (committed to ku)

-Ethan Douglas, OT, Basehor (Kan.) Basehor-Linwood

Caught a lot of the camp coaches' attention on Friday. At 6-foot-7 and 282 pounds, Douglas not only looked the part, but he was very impressive in the one-on-one drills. If he hits a few local camps this summer, don't be surprised if several schools step up with offers. 

-Blaine Gabbert, QB, Ballwin (Mo.) Parkway West (committed to Nebraska)

-Jermaine Jackson, DT, Oklahoma City (Okla.) Northeast (brother of Michael, Janet, and Tito)

-Shaun Prater, CB, Omaha (Neb.) Central (committed to Iowa)

-Kyler Reed, ATH, Overland Park (Kan.) St. Thomas Aquinas (offers from all Big 12 Norte')
 
-Trevor Robinson, OG, Omaha (Neb.) Elkhorn (committed to Nebraska)

-Taylor Stockemer, WR, Van Buren, Ark. (offers ku)
 
-Jeremy Walker, DT, Lee's Summit, Mo. (offer Colo. State)

-Tyler Wilson, QB, Greenwood, Ark. (offers from Alabama, LSU, etc)


It's settled...Douglas is no good.

 

[The Manhatter]

Ferentz had no chance to get Hoch because the kid was a Nebraska fan, not an Iowa fan. Funny that USC, ISU and KSU are still coming after Dan. You're right though. I'd rather have a dude that was 2nd team all squaw valley with no offers, who wears a George Strait shirt. Those are the kind of players that win championships!

okay, 1, leave George Strait out of this.  I'm not sure what the hell that has to do w/ anything but I do know you have been grasping at straws all day long anyway.

2.  LOL at Ferentz is scared to come after an IOWA kid whether he likes Nebraska or not.  Seth Olsen ring a bell?  You know...lifelong husker fan from Omaha who ditched NU for a real OL coach and is now the starting RT for Iowa.

Good god...Ferentz is scared to go after an Iowa kid "he knows he won't get"...meanwhile callahan, the nomad viking conquerer, is not scared to go after Kalil and Tyron Smith out in Cali who he knows are headed to USC.  See the problem w/ your reasoning there?

Oops...2nd team Kaw Valley means suckage just like when Newman wasn't first team all county.  Too bad KSU didn't load up on the 1st team all county kids..I'm sure they were really something!!

[Maxell]

Like I said, sounds like the kind of guys you need to compete with the USCs and LSUs of the world. Prince is one helluva recruiting machine.

[The Manhatter]

Like I said, sounds like the kind of guys you need to compete with the USCs and LSUs of the world. Prince is one helluva recruiting machine.

please refer to my list once again of top 30 BCS conference offenses in '06.  Go on a fact finding tour of the number of 4 and 5 stars starting for those offensive lines.

Get back to me when you have the answer you want...but you won't.

[fb]

1-Offer lists and stars generally is an indicator for a kid with them that he is a good prospect but if a kid doesn't have them, many times it says no one knows much about him yet.

2-Douglas is not an athlete.  His vertical and squat are laughable.  This is a head scratcher b/c he doesn't fit the mold of a Prince OL.  I have seen him play twice and he is nothing other than big and kind of a chubby big, not strong big.  He is not fast.  I don't remember the kid's name but there is another rather big fella from Bashor that is probably the better prospect.  He is around 6-4 and is a wonderful athlete, impressive on the football field and basketball court.

3-As the father of a former STA Saint and who knows people there, Kyler Reed being a 'top 11 ' proves that camp sucked.  Kyler earned a bunch of offers going into the summer based on his potential.  He was slower and less explosive than many college coaches thought.  Kyler is a good kid but the potential that earned him offers is not nearly as bright after many average camp performances.  Kyler might be smart and pick a school soon because he could end up being in a similar boat as the o line from Pratt or Kingman whose name escapes me that had gobs of offers and then sucked and almost didn't have a single Big 12 offer when his senior tape started circulating.

4-Jeremy Walker is a big kid that has the motor of a snail and ferocity of a kitten during games.  Physically he is a great looking kid in shorts and a tshirt.  He won't grab your attention as soon as the ball is snapped though. 

5-George Strait was awesome in Pure Country.

[opcat]

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=66182

How much should he bench and squat to be a legit player? 

Have you actually seen him play his position? quickness? 40 time is not everything.

[catzacker]

http://kansasstate.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=1&pr_key=66182

How much should he bench and squat to be a legit player? 

Have you actually seen him play his position? quickness? 40 time is not everything.

You would have made an incredible nazi.

[The Manhatter]

2-Douglas is not an athlete.  His vertical and squat are laughable.  This is a head scratcher b/c he doesn't fit the mold of a Prince OL.  I have seen him play twice and he is nothing other than big and kind of a chubby big, not strong big.  He is not fast.  I don't remember the kid's name but there is another rather big fella from Bashor that is probably the better prospect.  He is around 6-4 and is a wonderful athlete, impressive on the football field and basketball court.

 

one thing I have learned is that I couldn't scout talent worth jacksquat and I'm quite certain you wouldn't know it if you saw it either.

I watched one kid a few years back and he did absolutely nothing in a game...and I mean nothing.  He put me to sleep...a year later he started as a true freshman for a Big 12 team that went to the Big 12 title game.

Another kid I watched about 6 years ago was absolutely pathetic..by his redshirt freshman year he was starting for OU.

Bottom line is YOU and I don't know what to look for in a prospect.  Oh, I'm sure you think you do just as I did but found out I didn't know squat.

And LOL at the "he isn't an athlete because vertical"...are you f'ing kidding me?  He's what, 16 or 17 years of age and weighs over 280lbs.  He's nowhere close to being fully developed.  

Hell...here are just three OL recruits offered by Texas last year alone...

Trey Allen - 23.5" (signed Texas - rivals 100..considered GREAT athlete)
Jared Gooch - 18" (signed w/ TTech)
Kyle Hix - 21.5" (signed Texas)

Thanks for the tips.  I'm not suggesting he's a great athlete...he doesn't need to be...read some of those scouting reports by the NFL sometime on NFL draft prospects.  Not even OL considered for NFL are even good athletes.  But they are agile enough, tough enough, and possess certain skills necessary to do certain things along the line.  

And he doesn't "fit" the mold of a Prince OL?  He's tall, has long arms...what else?  Do you think all of these Prince OL @ Virginia ran a 4.9 and vertical 30"?  He had some bulky kids at Virginia that were probably 5.5 in the 40.  And?   And this kid will likely be a guard.  Don't think D'Brickashaw for this kid..think more along the lines of the LG who started for him in 2005.  A 6-7 330lb kid named Brandon Albert.  Not very athletic, quick, explosive etc. but very tall, long, big, and had good feet and agility.  Don't need to be a good or great athlete to have good feet and agility and get the job done.

FYI, know a guy who worked the KSU camp (they have hundreds of high school coaches there)...thought highly of Douglas.  Called him anything but chubby.....not a great athlete but certainly can be a player at this level.

[catzacker]

2-Douglas is not an athlete.  His vertical and squat are laughable.  This is a head scratcher b/c he doesn't fit the mold of a Prince OL.  I have seen him play twice and he is nothing other than big and kind of a chubby big, not strong big.  He is not fast.  I don't remember the kid's name but there is another rather big fella from Bashor that is probably the better prospect.  He is around 6-4 and is a wonderful athlete, impressive on the football field and basketball court.

 

one thing I have learned is that I couldn't scout talent worth jacksquat and I'm quite certain you wouldn't know it if you saw it either.

I watched one kid a few years back and he did absolutely nothing in a game...and I mean nothing.  He put me to sleep...a year later he started as a true freshman for a Big 12 team that went to the Big 12 title game.

Another kid I watched about 6 years ago was absolutely pathetic..by his redshirt freshman year he was starting for OU.

Bottom line is YOU and I don't know what to look for in a prospect.  Oh, I'm sure you think you do just as I did but found out I didn't know squat.

And LOL at the "he isn't an athlete because vertical"...are you f'ing kidding me?  He's what, 16 or 17 years of age and weighs over 280lbs.  He's nowhere close to being fully developed.  

Hell...here are just three OL recruits offered by Texas last year alone...

Trey Allen - 23.5" (signed Texas - rivals 100..considered GREAT athlete)
Jared Gooch - 18" (signed w/ TTech)
Kyle Hix - 21.5" (signed Texas)

Thanks for the tips.  I'm not suggesting he's a great athlete...he doesn't need to be...read some of those scouting reports by the NFL sometime on NFL draft prospects.  Not even OL considered for NFL are even good athletes.  But they are agile enough, tough enough, and possess certain skills necessary to do certain things along the line.  

And he doesn't "fit" the mold of a Prince OL?  He's tall, has long arms...what else?  Do you think all of these Prince OL @ Virginia ran a 4.9 and vertical 30"?  He had some bulky kids at Virginia that were probably 5.5 in the 40.  And?   And this kid will likely be a guard.  Don't think D'Brickashaw for this kid..think more along the lines of the LG who started for him in 2005.  A 6-7 330lb kid named Brandon Albert.  Not very athletic, quick, explosive etc. but very tall, long, big, and had good feet and agility.  Don't need to be a good or great athlete to have good feet and agility and get the job done.

FYI, know a guy who worked the KSU camp (they have hundreds of high school coaches there)...thought highly of Douglas.  Called him anything but chubby.....not a great athlete but certainly can be a player at this level.

FWIW, Cuba still sucks.  So does Rohleder.

[fb]

I did more than comment on just his vertical.  I also referenced his squat.

Tray Allen-->555lb squat
Gooch-->490lb squat
Hix-->don't know

Those fellas had some explosiveness in their lower body.

I worked as a piss ant on a D1 staff for 2 years  that had the 'pleasure' of going through reels of tape converting them to beta film and was a head coach in high school for 3 years until I decided to take a different career path.  Thus, I have a little background in watching high school kids and seeing if they are any good.

Congrats on knowing a coach at the camp.  My guess is just about half of the KSU fan base residing in Kansas that posts on message boards can make the same claim.

Didn't even you say that Mangino has a good eye for o line talent?  Douglas went to a ku camp and they didn't even hint to offering him. 

I hope I am wrong on this and admit Prince is a smart guy when it comes to o line, but this kid doesn't fit the mold at all. 

manhatter, do you question anyone Prince offers?  Just curious if so and who or do you always have blind allegiance?

[The Manhatter]

I did more than comment on just his vertical.  I also referenced his squat.

Tray Allen-->555lb squat
Gooch-->490lb squat
Hix-->don't know

Those fellas had some explosiveness in their lower body.

I worked as a piss ant on a D1 staff for 2 years  that had the 'pleasure' of going through reels of tape converting them to beta film and was a head coach in high school for 3 years until I decided to take a different career path.  Thus, I have a little background in watching high school kids and seeing if they are any good.

Congrats on knowing a coach at the camp.  My guess is just about half of the KSU fan base residing in Kansas that posts on message boards can make the same claim.

Didn't even you say that Mangino has a good eye for o line talent?  Douglas went to a ku camp and they didn't even hint to offering him. 

I hope I am wrong on this and admit Prince is a smart guy when it comes to o line, but this kid doesn't fit the mold at all. 

manhatter, do you question anyone Prince offers?  Just curious if so and who or do you always have blind allegiance?

LOL...quoting claimed squats from those kids.  Who cares?  Who cares what they are doing as 16 year olds. 

And if you claim to be a coach you weren't a good one if you are banking on squat numbers and verticals for lineman...hilarious.  It sounds like you're about as knowledgable as the rest of us at knowing what to look for in a prep recruit.  "Breaking down" tape sounds like a member of the video crew for all I know.

Douglas camped at ku?  When?

Now on this "do you question anyone Prince offers"...I have but I'm not arrogant enough to think I can sit here on a board and think I know more than Prince despite 2 years of breaking down tape as a pissant on a D1 staff.  Seriously...let it rest.

Dude, you really did try to base athleticism on vertical and squat numbers....oh my.

[fb]

Not just those numbers, I also saw him play twice.  He is slow and unathletic.  Go ask your little friends at rivals to get his film.  He simply doesn't move well or explode from his stance.  Like I said, there is another kid there that looked like a better player and prospect than him.  he moved very well and had good feet at a Bashor basketball game I watched.

My godson is the reason I went to the Bashor games and how I know ku had no interest in him.  I don't know the dates of their camps.  Look them up if you care.

Why let it rest?  You act like you have a gold crown on your head and attack everyone that questions anything KState.  Rather than have our heads in the sand or somewhere else, we are commenting on stuff that doesn't make sense.  We have as much right as you to say what we think. 

I never claimed to be a good coach.  I realized my heart wasn't in it since it required me to be away from my family so much and switched careers.

[The Manhatter]

Not just those numbers, I also saw him play twice.  He is slow and unathletic.  Go ask your little friends at rivals to get his film.  He simply doesn't move well or explode from his stance.  Like I said, there is another kid there that looked like a better player and prospect than him.  he moved very well and had good feet at a Bashor basketball game I watched.

My godson is the reason I went to the Bashor games and how I know ku had no interest in him.  I don't know the dates of their camps.  Look them up if you care.

Why let it rest?  You act like you have a gold crown on your head and attack everyone that questions anything KState.  Rather than have our heads in the sand or somewhere else, we are commenting on stuff that doesn't make sense.  We have as much right as you to say what we think. 

I never claimed to be a good coach.  I realized my heart wasn't in it since it required me to be away from my family so much and switched careers.

"my" little friends at rivals?  wtf?  He took part in that Columbia Nike camp where COACHES do the drills. They liked him.  The rivals staff liked him.  Potential is there.  Again..you were watching a 16 year old kid, right?  How many 16 year olds have you watched develop day after day into 22 year old 4th and 5th year seniors?  Just curious...I'm sure the coaching staff in Manhattan have seen a few more than you.

Good for Mangino he didn't offer...he and Prince are also recruiting different types of players for their OL. Different schemes.  Mangino likes the shorter squatty body types inside on his OL...Prince doesn't.  Could that have figured into it?  I know some coaches won't like a kid 6-6 or so at guard..and if they don't feel he's quick enough to play tackle he won't be offered..plain and simple.  Prince probably likes him inside.  And?

What doesn't make sense?  And to who?  You?  Some internet posters?  Did you attend these football camps to view the kid in person?  Believe it or not that 16 year old you watched is constantly evolving..he can look a bit different in 4 to 5 years than the kid you saw play...perhaps?

Seriously...who is wearing the gold crown?  Somebody who suggests you let it play out or somebody who posts on a message board acting like they know more than a D1 coaching staff?

I wasn't attacking you...I just get a bit tired of the attacks on the coaching staff concerning kids they know a helluva lot more about than you, me, or the next poster offering an opinion.