On Shorty . . .

[sonofdaxjones]

I hate rehashing this stuff.

But I keep hearing that down at the bowl game, Shorty didn't come prepared to deal with that crappy playing surface.  I understand that all KSU has on hand was Nike molded cleats, and they really needed the long screw in cleats.

Not that it would've made that much difference, but I understand Shorty was totally unprepared for the field conditions in Houston. 

Anybody know anything about that??

[kstate16]

our players were slipping around all over the field. no joke.

[stormnut]

I have heard that as well. I have heard is said is several different manners but they all come to not having the correct equipment. Some have said that Shorty took what LHOFSnyder said to take and was not prepared to go it alone and I have heard from others that Shorty was behind the times with equipment matters as far as the new stuff the Prince wants brought into the program with the new Nike contract and that was either the reason he was let go.

[sonofdaxjones]

In reading between the lines over the years, I got the feeling that Shorty pretty much had to have LSnyder managing him pretty closely . . . almost like LSnyder had to make "to do" lists for the guy.

[yosh]

I hate rehashing this stuff.

But I keep hearing that down at the bowl game, Shorty didn't come prepared to deal with that crappy playing surface.  I understand that all KSU has on hand was Nike molded cleats, and they really needed the long screw in cleats.

Not that it would've made that much difference, but I understand Shorty was totally unprepared for the field conditions in Houston. 

Anybody know anything about that??

The part about us not bringing the right cleates is 100% fact.  I'm not sure whether or not you can pin it all on shorty or if that's the reason he got fired.

[Legore]

I hate rehashing this stuff.

But I keep hearing that down at the bowl game, Shorty didn't come prepared to deal with that crappy playing surface.  I understand that all KSU has on hand was Nike molded cleats, and they really needed the long screw in cleats.

Not that it would've made that much difference, but I understand Shorty was totally unprepared for the field conditions in Houston. 

Anybody know anything about that??

The part about us not bringing the right cleates is 100% fact.  I'm not sure whether or not you can pin it all on shorty or if that's the reason he got fired.

I was told the decision not to renew his contract was made before the bowl. 

[steve dave]

I was told the decision not to renew his contract was made before the bowl. 

Well, that explains the cleats.

[Bullfn33]

The field did make a difference in how we played.  It looked like we were trying to run on ice without slipping down sometimes.  Freeman's pick-6 was a direct result of his foot slipping right when he released it, I don't care what anyone says it's clear as day in the replay.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if that stuff factored in the decision to let Shorty go had he not had the right cleats.

[fatty fat fat]

Field + freeman broken finger = reason for texas bowl loss?

[pissclams]

Field + freeman broken finger + good Rutgers + not good K-State = reason for texas bowl loss

[Bullfn33]

field = reason why we looked division II.  We still would have been beat by at least a couple TDs regardless. 

[Racquetball_Ninja]

I hate rehashing this stuff.

But I keep hearing that down at the bowl game, Shorty didn't come prepared to deal with that crappy playing surface.  I understand that all KSU has on hand was Nike molded cleats, and they really needed the long screw in cleats.

Not that it would've made that much difference, but I understand Shorty was totally unprepared for the field conditions in Houston. 

Anybody know anything about that??

The part about us not bringing the right cleates is 100% fact.  I'm not sure whether or not you can pin it all on shorty or if that's the reason he got fired.

What he said. 

Yes, Shorty was the equipment manager but you would have hoped that at least one coach or player would have thought that far in advance.  Maybe Houston told them the roof would be closed in the case of inclement weather.

[chum1]

Why didn't anyone check out the field in the days prior to the game?  They could have easily shipped more cleats down.  Who is to blame for that?

[Racquetball_Ninja]

Why didn't anyone check out the field in the days prior to the game?  They could have easily shipped more cleats down.  Who is to blame for that?

Lets just blame Weiser... its easier and much more fun!

[KSU4ME]

Why didn't anyone check out the field in the days prior to the game?  They could have easily shipped more cleats down.  Who is to blame for that?

Think about that one for a minute.

Take your time.

[chum1]

Why didn't anyone check out the field in the days prior to the game?  They could have easily shipped more cleats down.  Who is to blame for that?

Think about that one for a minute.

Take your time.

No.  Go ahead and tell me.

[Poopley]

Equipment guy = responsible for getting needed equipment to where it is needed.

[chum1]

Why not double check on a guy named "Shorty" who has proven to be incompetent in the past?  Who is responsible for that?

[sonofdaxjones]

I blame William Shatner.

[chum1]

I think it's safe to say that there was a major issue with the cleats and that placing 100% of the blame on one guy - whether it's Shorty, Weiser, or Shatner - is ridiculous.  You don't place 100% of the responsiblity for something of that magnitude solely on one person.  Prince's business books should tell him that.

[sonofdaxjones]

I think they should hire Jack Welch as a consultant.

[steve dave]

I think they should hire Jack Welch as a consultant.

Jack Welch would be an excellent equipment manager.

[sonofdaxjones]

The Equipment Management Group for KSU athletics would have 450,000 employees, multiple divisions and be the model for all the corporate world. 

[KSU4ME]

Why didn't anyone check out the field in the days prior to the game?  They could have easily shipped more cleats down.  Who is to blame for that?

Think about that one for a minute.

Take your time.

No.  Go ahead and tell me.

As I figured, you can't think past the end of your nose.

Two days before the game, the field was in fine condition. 

[Poopley]

"I blame William Shatner."

exactly

[chum1]

As I figured, you can't think past the end of your nose.

Two days before the game, the field was in fine condition. 

I don't think I'm the one who has lost sight of the bigger picture here.  There was an issue with the cleats, right?  It was preventable, right?  That is what is interesting about this.  Not some mysterious two day timeframe for checking field conditions.

[KSU4ME]

As I figured, you can't think past the end of your nose.

Two days before the game, the field was in fine condition. 

I don't think I'm the one who has lost sight of the bigger picture here.  There was an issue with the cleats, right?  It was preventable, right?  That is what is interesting about this.  Not some mysterious two day timeframe for checking field conditions.

Well, you are the one that introduced a time frame for checking the field into the discussion, and I'm the one that called you on it.

A mistake was made, and the party most directly responsible is no longer employed.

This is a non issue at this point.

[ChicoRodriguez]

KSU4ME = Shorty or Shorty's lover

[KSU4ME]

Don't know where you got that idea, I'm quite good with Shorty being gone.  I just think this entire conversation is stupid.  That's why I pointed out Chum's brilliant idea.

[ChicoRodriguez]

Two days before the game, the field was in fine condition.

Actually it wasn't.  In the Texans-Colts game four days before, guys were sliding all over the place.  Ron Dayne rolled his ankle in the first quarter.  chum's reasoning is justified.