JMart's Butler Interview (Re: Brown Bros.)

[Leyton]

http://www.kansas.com/248/story/88612.html

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"I know Frank is a better back than some of the guys (K-State) signed, but he's not good enough for a scholarship," Butler said. "That hurt (the Browns') feelings. That was a guy who they knew was a good football player. They looked at other kids' tape on Rivals.com and Frank's highlight tape is much better. We don't understand.

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"It's just the perception of Kansas football," he said. "It's wrong. The home state should be the backbone of the program. I like Coach Prince and (James) Franklin, I really do. But the only hard feelings I have is how they've treated our kids and not given them the benefit of the doubt, the way they do with kids from Texas and Florida."

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Sweet.

BTW, I think it's crazy that he's criticizing Prince for not going after enough KS talent.  Prince went Kansas-crazy last year, dogg.

[ksuno1stunner]

Justin Woods, Jeremy Reed, Dee Bell.  All KS runningbacks, correct?

I do see some positives in that article.  He's not anti-KSU like everyone believed. 

[The Manhatter]

This is BS. 

DeLarue is still coming to KSU and his brother, Hartman has a scholarship.  And Prince went crazy offering Kansas kids the first two years. 

Sorry Butler but we're not buying it. 

[ksuno1stunner]

This is BS. 

DeLarue is still coming to KSU and his brother, Hartman has a scholarship.  And Prince went crazy offering Kansas kids the first two years. 

Sorry Butler but we're not buying it. 

I think he's just baiting Prince.

[The Manhatter]

well Prince is certainly offering Wichita area kids...what more can he do?  Rohleder, Hartman, Burris, Cuba, etc.  He can't take them all...he still has to build a program and not everybody in Wichita can play for K-State.

And the quote that sticks out to me...

The home state should be the backbone of the program.

Correct...which is why when Rocky Calmus stepped to the podium and said "I'm not the Ohio player of the year and I'm not the Kansas player of the year.  I'm the Oklahoma player of the year"...and he stayed in-state to play for OU.  And why?  Blake was the embattled head coach at the time and OU was getting the crap kicked out of them by everybody. 

Martez Wilson did it last year...he said no to USC, Miami, etc.  Sorry guys...I'm playing for my home state even if they went 2-10 last year.

Prince has it going in the right direction...just needs the bigs in-state to be leaders and stay and bring in other quality kids.  As Arthur has said..he wants to go where the program is bringing in great athletes...well guess what, Arthur?  You can follow others lead or you can lead others to KSU because others will follow you to Manhattan.

[fatty fat fat]

Wow. We offered a sh1t load of Kansas kids. J-Mart, did you try to make that argument to him? Do you think OU or USC offer crap instate kids?

[catzacker]

Wow. We offered a sh1t load of Kansas kids. J-Mart, did you try to make that argument to him? Do you think OU or USC offer crap instate kids?

This is what I don't understand about Butler's "beef". Hell, Prince got criticized from KSU fans (Kansans) for recruiting too many Kansans.  And when the hell did Snyder pass over a Wichita kid that just blew up later on?  Rashaad Washington, Rashaad Jackson, Monte Beisel, Blake Seiler.  Butler came across as being a baby and I'm assuming that Rashaad Jackson not panning out at KSU has more to do with Butler's "beef" than anything.  Our freaking roster has 42 Kansans which is about 40% of our roster.  Texans on our roster are about 10-15%.  Butler's an f'ing idiot. 

[chum1]

That's preposterous.  We don't need to offer any more small-time, small town, out-in-the-middle-of-nowhere Wichita recruits than we currently do in order to finish last.  Our strategy for that is perfectly fine, thank you very much.

I think he's just baiting Prince.

Prince doesn't read the paper.

[steve dave]

Prince doesn't read the paper.

Prince reads everything.  There is not enough printed media out there to satiate his unquenchable hunger for the written word. 

[sonofchadmay]

Justin Woods, Jeremy Reed, Dee Bell.  All KS runningbacks, correct?

I do see some positives in that article.  He's not anti-KSU like everyone believed. 

He hates KSU.  One of his best buds is an assistant at East, former KSU player that loves Shorty.  Pissed that Prince canned Shorty.  This assistant has made it clear that he will do everything he can to steer the Brown's away from Prince.

BTW...Shorty is an incompetent a-hole. 

[pissclams]

So KSU and ku haven't shown Wichita enough love.  But USC, OU, and Miami have.  Ok. 

[KSt8er]

one of you guys need to email that tard Butler and smash him in the mouth for talking such bullcrap.  Then you need to email the bro's and point out the tard they are hangin with.

[waks]

one of you guys need to email that tard Butler and smash him in the mouth for talking such bull@#%$.  Then you need to email the bro's and point out the tard they are hangin with.

Yeah, that would be a fantastic idea!  Man, you're an idiot.

[chum1]

Hey, Jeff.  That was really, really great stuff.

[ScubaSteve]

This is BS. 

DeLarue is still coming to KSU and his brother, Hartman has a scholarship.  And Prince went crazy offering Kansas kids the first two years. 

Sorry Butler but we're not buying it. 

I'm shaking my head at Butler (and Jeffrey Martin, if he's buying this crap).  His argument just doesn't hold water.  Perhaps JMart should do some real investigative reporting and write a story on Brian Butler's real agenda, whatever that is, because if that's Butler's beef, he's full of BS.  Come on Jeff.  Don't get lazy on us now.

[KSt8er]

one of you guys need to email that tard Butler and smash him in the mouth for talking such bull@#%$.  Then you need to email the bro's and point out the tard they are hangin with.

Yeah, that would be a fantastic idea!  Man, you're an idiot.

  

[ew2x4]

You guys are dense. It doesn't matter if we recruit KS kids or not. It matters we didn't give a scholly to one kid in particular and that ticked him off at us.

"I know Frank is a better back than some of the guys (K-State) signed, but he's not good enough for a scholarship," Butler said. "That hurt (the Browns') feelings. That was a guy who they knew was a good football player. They looked at other kids' tape on Rivals.com and Frank's highlight tape is much better. We don't understand.

[steve dave]

You guys are dense. It doesn't matter if we recruit KS kids or not. It matters we didn't give a scholly to one kid in particular and that ticked him off at us.

That kid was Butler.

[Poopley]

If you believe this is really about Delarue, and I am not convinced it is . . .

It's weird how some people get chronically pissed off over one player not being offered. Some of you are probably familiar with a rivals website run by a big husker homer named Bob Hovey (it used to be hovpen.com before it went to rivals). This guy fancies himself a major evaluator of football talent.

Anyway, he had a painfully huge erection for an o-lineman out of Derby, last name of Buchanan, a few years ago. The kid walked on at KState the same year that Caleb Handy was a redshirt freshman. Bob Hovey went apeschnitt and posted endlessly about this on the kstate rivals board. He just went on and on about how Buchanan was awesome and deserved a 'ship and was 10 times the player Handy would ever be and would see the field LONG before Handy was even allowed to practice on the scout team.

Of course, Buchanan lasted less than 5 weeks on the team (late September) as a walkon. A trainer said he just wasn't tough enough, and he quit the team as quickly as he realized the amount of work it would take.

To this day, Bob Hovey still turns all read when you bring this up around him. Some guys just get it in their heads that certain players deserve a 'ship, and they won't let go of it.

Another example: there is a high school coach who makes the same argument about Terry Petrie. And, in the end, I guess you could say Petrie has been about the same level as Donnie Anders was. This coach HATES Bill Snyder now because Petrie didn't get an offer.

Maybe Butler is just convinced Delarue is a stud while Jeremy Reed or Dee Bell is scum. When emotion enters in, you can't expect people to make a lot of sense.

[Bullfn33]

I don't understand this at all.  This is like the exact opposite of what fans from other schools and myself think about KSU recruiting Kansas kids.  What does the guy want?  The entire KSU roster made up of Kansas kids.  Sorry but we can't do that and expect to be a competitive BCS conference program.  I'm counting 40+ players on the current roster from Kansas.  That's nearly half the roster.  GMAFB.

Maybe I'm wrong but this seems like an excuse, personal vendetta against KSU or not, for why Butler doesn't want the kids to go to KSU.  KSU has a strong backbone of Kansas talent.  There just isn't the population base to have a roster filled with over half of in-state kids.  And if this is about 1 or 2 players or him not getting an offer from KSU, well, then, WOW.

[FBWillie]

You guys are looking at this the wrong way... I read that and saw a salesman.   

All Butler wants is to get scholarships for his kids; He's using this as a reason to get a scholarship to this RB Frank Whatsitsname. 

He's not an idiot; he knows exactly how many Kansas Kids are on our Roster and how many Wichita kids we offered.  He's just doing what he thinks is best for Frank. No worries... if the kid is as good as he and the brown brothers think; he can still earn a scholarship.

Which is why I think J-mart keeps telling us to let this play out.

[Bullfn33]

You guys are looking at this the wrong way... I read that and saw a salesman.   

All Butler wants is to get scholarships for his kids; He's using this as a reason to get a scholarship to this RB Frank Whatsitsname. 

He's not an idiot; he knows exactly how many Kansas Kids are on our Roster and how many Wichita kids we offered.  He's just doing what he thinks is best for Frank. No worries... if the kid is as good as he and the brown brothers think; he can still earn a scholarship.

Which is why I think J-mart keeps telling us to let this play out.

That's why I said I could be wrong.  The way it comes across just sounds really bad so no one should be surprised by the reaction.  We'll see, I guess.

[ScubaSteve]

Some observations on JMart's little article:

What the heck does the title of the article mean?  The title is "Sometimes an In-state Player is Too Good to Stay".   Huh?  What did that have to do with what was written at all?  I've now read the article three times.  That title has nothing to do with what was written in the article.  So what is that?  Personal opinion?  I thought Jeff wasn't a columnist.

I think it's real interesting that JEff spends the majority of the article writing about how Prince isn't giving scholarships to Kansas kids and then doesn't happen to mention all of the Kansas kids Prince gave scholarships too.  Perhaps it wouldn't create the buzz this is getting if he had.  It is what I have come to expect from Jeff when it comes to Prince and the football program.  

Another interesting thought.  Maybe it's just me, but what I get out of nearly everything Jeff writes, is that Prince rubs him the wrong way and he just doesn't like him AND he has a real hard-on for Huggins/Frank Martin/KSU bball.  I've seen Jeff write on several occasions that he has no personal biases, but in both cases, it sure seems like he does and it shows through in his writing.  Not that he's any different than any other journalist out there, but I think it's really sad that he would like us to think he's different, when he's really not.

[michigancat]

Another interesting thought.  Maybe it's just me, but what I get out of nearly everything Jeff writes, is that Prince rubs him the wrong way and he just doesn't like him AND he has a real hard-on for Huggins/Frank Martin/KSU bball.  I've seen Jeff write on several occasions that he has no personal biases, but in both cases, it sure seems like he does and it shows through in his writing.  Not that he's any different than any other journalist out there, but I think it's really sad that he would like us to think he's different, when he's really not.

I don't think anyone has claimed Jeff was "different" because of "lack of bias".

He's different than most sports reporters because he, you know, reports.  Have you seen a Butler interview that in-depth from any other source?

[sonofdaxjones]

Justin Woods, Jeremy Reed, Dee Bell.  All KS runningbacks, correct?

I do see some positives in that article.  He's not anti-KSU like everyone believed. 

He hates KSU.  One of his best buds is an assistant at East, former KSU player that loves Shorty.  Pissed that Prince canned Shorty.  This assistant has made it clear that he will do everything he can to steer the Brown's away from Prince.

BTW...Shorty is an incompetent a-hole. 

That's a mature attitude to have.

[kstate16]

kadji 

[steve dave]

Jeff Martin puts out a quality product.  I may not like all of the info I'm getting from it but it's info I want nonetheless.  Good writer and good reporting.

Oh, and I agree, Kadji 

[waks]

I don't think he has any biases necessarily. He definitely doesn't think Prince is that good of a coach but he usually says that he is a good recruiter. He doesn't say much negative things about Frank Martin but let's be honest, what is negative about Frank so far? He's got a 5 star that is about to commit all on his own, he retained our entire recruiting class, he's hired good assistant coaches, he's really not done anything wrong. Prince has been coach here longer and has done a number of different things wrong so that might be where you get this idea from.. I haven't ever really thought that Jeff slanted his articles in any way, I just don't always agree with his opinions but it doesn't matter if I agree with him. Atleast we don't get blind homerism from him like we do from GPC.

[steve dave]

At least we don't get blind homerism from him

QFT

[Jeffrey_Martin]

Some observations on JMart's little article:

What the heck does the title of the article mean?  The title is "Sometimes an In-state Player is Too Good to Stay".   Huh?  What did that have to do with what was written at all?  I've now read the article three times.  That title has nothing to do with what was written in the article.  So what is that?  Personal opinion?  I thought Jeff wasn't a columnist.

I think it's real interesting that JEff spends the majority of the article writing about how Prince isn't giving scholarships to Kansas kids and then doesn't happen to mention all of the Kansas kids Prince gave scholarships too.  Perhaps it wouldn't create the buzz this is getting if he had.  It is what I have come to expect from Jeff when it comes to Prince and the football program. 

Another interesting thought.  Maybe it's just me, but what I get out of nearly everything Jeff writes, is that Prince rubs him the wrong way and he just doesn't like him AND he has a real hard-on for Huggins/Frank Martin/KSU bball.  I've seen Jeff write on several occasions that he has no personal biases, but in both cases, it sure seems like he does and it shows through in his writing.  Not that he's any different than any other journalist out there, but I think it's really sad that he would like us to think he's different, when he's really not.

In order:

1. I don't write the headlines for my stories or notebooks.
2. I mentioned to Butler all of the running backs from Kansas that were signed, but he said Delarue was better than all of them - but in stronger language/
3. The problem with Prince - if there is a problem - is that there is no accessibility. Everything seems one-sided because it is. The coaching staff and the players are off-limits. Perhaps that's why it seems there is a bias, even when there isn't.

Hope this helps.