JMart's Butler Interview (Re: Brown Bros.)

[kstate16]

Some observations on JMart's little article:

What the heck does the title of the article mean?  The title is "Sometimes an In-state Player is Too Good to Stay".   Huh?  What did that have to do with what was written at all?  I've now read the article three times.  That title has nothing to do with what was written in the article.  So what is that?  Personal opinion?  I thought Jeff wasn't a columnist.

I think it's real interesting that JEff spends the majority of the article writing about how Prince isn't giving scholarships to Kansas kids and then doesn't happen to mention all of the Kansas kids Prince gave scholarships too.  Perhaps it wouldn't create the buzz this is getting if he had.  It is what I have come to expect from Jeff when it comes to Prince and the football program. 

Another interesting thought.  Maybe it's just me, but what I get out of nearly everything Jeff writes, is that Prince rubs him the wrong way and he just doesn't like him AND he has a real hard-on for Huggins/Frank Martin/KSU bball.  I've seen Jeff write on several occasions that he has no personal biases, but in both cases, it sure seems like he does and it shows through in his writing.  Not that he's any different than any other journalist out there, but I think it's really sad that he would like us to think he's different, when he's really not.

In order:

1. I don't write the headlines for my stories or notebooks.
2. I mentioned to Butler all of the running backs from Kansas that were signed, but he said Delarue was better than all of them - but in stronger language/
3. The problem with Prince - if there is a problem - is that there is no accessibility. Everything seems one-sided because it is. The coaching staff and the players are off-limits. Perhaps that's why it seems there is a bias, even when there isn't.

Hope this helps.

thanks JMart. why can't we have a reporter like you for the Star??? There hasn't been an update in weeks. The last story in relevance to Kstate sports was today about our high jumpers (which we happen to have 2 nationally ranked jumpers, i only care cuz i myself am a jumper). it kinda made my day when i scrolled down and saw the little tidbit about kadji. 

[catzacker]

2. I mentioned to Butler all of the running backs from Kansas that were signed, but he said Delarue was better than all of them - but in stronger language/

LOL at Butler. So it isn't a Kansas kid thing, it's a Butler kid thing.  He just needs to admit that instead of acting like KSU doesn't respect KS talent.  I failed to see OU or USC offerring Delarue. 

[michigancat]

3. The problem with Prince - if there is a problem - is that there is no accessibility. Everything seems one-sided because it is. The coaching staff and the players are off-limits. Perhaps that's why it seems there is a bias, even when there isn't.

I'm sure you've addressed this, but how does it compare to accessibility under Snyder?

[Bullfn33]

3. The problem with Prince - if there is a problem - is that there is no accessibility. Everything seems one-sided because it is. The coaching staff and the players are off-limits. Perhaps that's why it seems there is a bias, even when there isn't.

I'm sure you've addressed this, but how does it compare to accessibility under Snyder?

I was just going comment on this.  KSU football hasn't had accessibility for nearly 20 years. 

[KSU4ME]

People that claim they have no bias always crack me up.  It's human nature.

It's like when I tell my wife I'm not attracted to her friend with the huge rack and tight buns.

[Bullfn33]

2. I mentioned to Butler all of the running backs from Kansas that were signed, but he said Delarue was better than all of them - but in stronger language/

LOL at Butler. So it isn't a Kansas kid thing, it's a Butler kid thing.  He just needs to admit that instead of acting like KSU doesn't respect KS talent.  I failed to see OU or USC offerring Delarue. 

This is portrayed as a Kansas thing but it appears it is really a Butler/Wichita thing, which if true, is ridiculous.  And like I said before, if it's only over 1 or 2 kids that didn't get offers from his circle, that is weak sauce and not a legitimate beef.  Sometimes coaches(the real evaluators) find some things different based on what they are looking for for their system that others don't see.  You can't always get what you want and then throw a fit if it doesn't turn out the way you think it should when you are not the one with the job to do.  The bottom line is Prince is offering more than plenty of Kansas kids, but of course, that doesn't SEEM to be the real issue here anyway.

[ScubaSteve]

In order:

1. I don't write the headlines for my stories or notebooks.
2. I mentioned to Butler all of the running backs from Kansas that were signed, but he said Delarue was better than all of them - but in stronger language/
3. The problem with Prince - if there is a problem - is that there is no accessibility. Everything seems one-sided because it is. The coaching staff and the players are off-limits. Perhaps that's why it seems there is a bias, even when there isn't.

Hope this helps.

1.  Whoever does is an idiot.  Must be Lutz.
2.  That is definitely not what you put in the story.
3.  Whatever the reason, it always seems like.... Basketball  .... Football   . 

[Jeffrey_Martin]

3. The problem with Prince - if there is a problem - is that there is no accessibility. Everything seems one-sided because it is. The coaching staff and the players are off-limits. Perhaps that's why it seems there is a bias, even when there isn't.

I'm sure you've addressed this, but how does it compare to accessibility under Snyder?

I was just going comment on this.  KSU football hasn't had accessibility for nearly 20 years. 

I was only around for one season of Snyder, but he was always forthcoming with me. May not have said much, but it was something. I understood Snyder doing it - it'd worked forever - but I wondered why a new coach would do the same, if there was something to hide. I still don't know the answer.

[Jeffrey_Martin]

In order:

1. I don't write the headlines for my stories or notebooks.
2. I mentioned to Butler all of the running backs from Kansas that were signed, but he said Delarue was better than all of them - but in stronger language/
3. The problem with Prince - if there is a problem - is that there is no accessibility. Everything seems one-sided because it is. The coaching staff and the players are off-limits. Perhaps that's why it seems there is a bias, even when there isn't.

Hope this helps.

1.  Whoever does is an idiot.  Must be Lutz.
2.  That is definitely not what you put in the story.
3.  Whatever the reason, it always seems like.... Basketball  .... Football   . 

Once again:

1. No, it's not Lutz. He's not an idiot.
2. No, it's not what I put in the story. As I said, there was strong language, and I decided to leave it out.
3. The basketball program is going to be ranked in the Top 25 to start the season. There will be sellouts throughout the season. It will be on national television several times. Can all of the same be said for football? By the way, I love college football. And college basketball. 

[The Minister]

J-Mart,
Thanks for the effort.  Question for you:

Is there any real relationship between Butler and the current KSU staff?  If so, what happens to it if the Browns & Harper jet off to the USC's/OU's/Miami's (??) of the college football landscape?  In short, will KSU be as forthcoming with scholarships for the 2&3 star crowd out of Wichita represented by Butler in the future if this perceived slight goes down? 

By the way, I agree that the backbone of the roster should be the in-state talent.  It's just that, if the big-time in-state talent doesn't stay home it makes it tough to go that route.

JMO.

[Bullfn33]

3. The problem with Prince - if there is a problem - is that there is no accessibility. Everything seems one-sided because it is. The coaching staff and the players are off-limits. Perhaps that's why it seems there is a bias, even when there isn't.

I'm sure you've addressed this, but how does it compare to accessibility under Snyder?

I was just going comment on this.  KSU football hasn't had accessibility for nearly 20 years. 

I was only around for one season of Snyder, but he was always forthcoming with me. May not have said much, but it was something. I understood Snyder doing it - it'd worked forever - but I wondered why a new coach would do the same, if there was something to hide. I still don't know the answer.

Snyder mentioned something in his book about the accessibility issue.  At least for injuries or related issues, he felt the team was at a strategic disadvantage if the opponents knew who would or wouldn't be playing by reading things in the media.  Teams could then prepare far in advance for what they expected but keeping the team locked down like that, teams would have to try and adjust during the game, which is obviously difficult and usually ineffective.  I understand why any coach would want to do it but I can also see how the media would hate this.   

[Jeffrey_Martin]

J-Mart,
Thanks for the effort.  Question for you:

Is there any real relationship between Butler and the current KSU staff?  If so, what happens to it if the Browns & Harper jet off to the USC's/OU's/Miami's (??) of the college football landscape?  In short, will KSU be as forthcoming with scholarships for the 2&3 star crowd out of Wichita represented by Butler in the future if this perceived slight goes down? 

By the way, I agree that the backbone of the roster should be the in-state talent.  It's just that, if the big-time in-state talent doesn't stay home it makes it tough to go that route.

JMO.

Good question, Minister. I don't think there is. It will be interesting to see what might happen. It'll be fascinating to watch - at least from my vantage point.

[Trim]

What does Butler do for a living?

J-Mart is to newspaper writer as Butler is to _________________?

[KSt8er]

Some observations on JMart's little article:

What the heck does the title of the article mean?  The title is "Sometimes an In-state Player is Too Good to Stay".   Huh?  What did that have to do with what was written at all?  I've now read the article three times.  That title has nothing to do with what was written in the article.  So what is that?  Personal opinion?  I thought Jeff wasn't a columnist.

I think it's real interesting that JEff spends the majority of the article writing about how Prince isn't giving scholarships to Kansas kids and then doesn't happen to mention all of the Kansas kids Prince gave scholarships too.  Perhaps it wouldn't create the buzz this is getting if he had.  It is what I have come to expect from Jeff when it comes to Prince and the football program.  

Another interesting thought.  Maybe it's just me, but what I get out of nearly everything Jeff writes, is that Prince rubs him the wrong way and he just doesn't like him AND he has a real hard-on for Huggins/Frank Martin/KSU bball.  I've seen Jeff write on several occasions that he has no personal biases, but in both cases, it sure seems like he does and it shows through in his writing.  Not that he's any different than any other journalist out there, but I think it's really sad that he would like us to think he's different, when he's really not.

Yeah, there were some pretty big holes left unanswered.  Simply left hanging out there as a big question mark hanging over RP's in-state recruiting and that NEVER should have been the just that comes through.  Butler is f'ing wrong in the tack he's taking to justify his chip.  He should have read about it in the article with the facts that would show just how full of crap and himself he truly is.  You asked the right question and then didn't ask him to back his statements up with anything?  I suppose you see a need to keep your relationship with him friendly, whereas I want his ass to retract his bullcrap and quit attacking KSU/RP with lies.  

[Pike]

What does Butler do for a living?

J-Mart is to newspaper writer as Butler is to _________________?

J-Mart is to newspaper writer as Butler is to: uses Browns for personal gain

Seriously I never heard of the guy 

[The Minister]

J-Mart,
Thanks for the effort.  Question for you:

Is there any real relationship between Butler and the current KSU staff?  If so, what happens to it if the Browns & Harper jet off to the USC's/OU's/Miami's (??) of the college football landscape?  In short, will KSU be as forthcoming with scholarships for the 2&3 star crowd out of Wichita represented by Butler in the future if this perceived slight goes down? 

By the way, I agree that the backbone of the roster should be the in-state talent.  It's just that, if the big-time in-state talent doesn't stay home it makes it tough to go that route.

JMO.

Good question, Minister. I don't think there is. It will be interesting to see what might happen. It'll be fascinating to watch - at least from my vantage point.

True, it certainly will be interesting.  Also interesting that while Delarue may be the 'tipping off' point in the KSU / Wichita 5-stars split, he himself will be playing for KSU in the future with a chance to prove his worth.  

Please continue to keep us informed.

[Jeffrey_Martin]

Some observations on JMart's little article:

What the heck does the title of the article mean?  The title is "Sometimes an In-state Player is Too Good to Stay".   Huh?  What did that have to do with what was written at all?  I've now read the article three times.  That title has nothing to do with what was written in the article.  So what is that?  Personal opinion?  I thought Jeff wasn't a columnist.

I think it's real interesting that JEff spends the majority of the article writing about how Prince isn't giving scholarships to Kansas kids and then doesn't happen to mention all of the Kansas kids Prince gave scholarships too.  Perhaps it wouldn't create the buzz this is getting if he had.  It is what I have come to expect from Jeff when it comes to Prince and the football program. 

Another interesting thought.  Maybe it's just me, but what I get out of nearly everything Jeff writes, is that Prince rubs him the wrong way and he just doesn't like him AND he has a real hard-on for Huggins/Frank Martin/KSU bball.  I've seen Jeff write on several occasions that he has no personal biases, but in both cases, it sure seems like he does and it shows through in his writing.  Not that he's any different than any other journalist out there, but I think it's really sad that he would like us to think he's different, when he's really not.

Yeah, there were some pretty big holes left unanswered.  Simply left hanging out there as a big question mark hanging over RP's in-state recruiting and that NEVER should have been the just that comes through.  Butler is f'ing wrong in the tack he's taking to justify his chip.  He should have read about it in the article with the facts that would show just how full of crap and himself he truly is.  You asked the right question and then didn't ask him to back his statements up with anything?  I suppose you see a need to keep your relationship with him friendly, whereas I want his ass to retract his bull@#%$ and quit attacking KSU/RP with lies. 

If that's how you feel - that he's full of crap - why do I have to come out and say it? You've decided that for yourself. It's not my job to make that judgment. This was a mid-week notebook. Same journalistic standards apply, but this was just a short interview. Nothing more, nothing less. This wasn't some expose on Brian Butler. He was giving his opinion, which he is entitled to do. As you are, which you have done.

[sonofdaxjones]

Damn . . . we really needed for a couple of boosters to be there at Brown's birth, befriend the entire family, house them, feed them, send them to private schools, buy them cars . . . that's worked so well at ku.

Somebody send Butler a FedEx package of cash, just make sure it doesn't break open at the airport.

Check.

[ScubaSteve]

1. No, it's not Lutz. He's not an idiot.
2. No, it's not what I put in the story. As I said, there was strong language, and I decided to leave it out.
3. The basketball program is going to be ranked in the Top 25 to start the season. There will be sellouts throughout the season. It will be on national television several times. Can all of the same be said for football? By the way, I love college football. And college basketball. 

I'll play one more time.

1.  OK, forget Lutz, and I know that you value your job and probably won't admit it, but I will take that response as you agree that whoever did that is an idiot.  By the way, the headline does reflect on you.  You do realize that, don't you?

2.  You certainly could have put the fact that you mentioned to him that all of the running backs were from Kansas, but that is MOST DEFINITELY not the slant you took with this story.  Your slant was that Butler thinks that K-State slights Kansas kids.  Even though you obviously must have known that was not the case since you mentioned the fact that we offerred three other KANSAS runningbacks.  You could have discredited Butler, yet to chose to make Prince out to be the bad guy.  You did write "but it's a legitimate beef" in your story.  So do you think that it's a legitimate beef, or not?  If so, I think you ought to dig just a little deeper and uncover the facts, rather than just kiss Brian Butler's butt, because he's a good dude.

3.  You may love college football, but it sure seems (true or not) like you don't want to see quality college football in Kansas.  The guy who wrote your headline, most definitely doesn't... at least not at KSU.

[KSU4ME]

It's not my job to make that judgment.

He admits to having an issue with K-State, but it's a legitimate beef.

Be honest now Jeffrey, do you see the contradiction in your two quotes?

[Jeffrey_Martin]

It's not my job to make that judgment.

He admits to having an issue with K-State, but it's a legitimate beef.

Be honest now Jeffrey, do you see the contradiction in your two quotes?

Oh, I'm being honest. The legitimate part should have been preceded by "but he insists" it's a legitimate beef. My bad. I thought it was implied that was his meaning. But I take full responsibility for it not sounding that way.

[ChicoRodriguez]

taxcat and other powertards, please leave jeffrey alone.  He's not biased, doesn't hate Prince, and gives us the info we want.  Heck for the 30% commission fee of $79.99 per member that we're paying him, he better be.

 If you would like no information for months at a time, please continue reading Brian Gate's site.


Oh, and I forgot to add:

Kenny Kadji

[ScubaSteve]

taxcat and other powertards, please leave jeffrey alone. 

Let me think about it.  Uh.... no.

[KSU4ME]

taxcat and other powertards, please leave jeffrey alone.  He's not biased, doesn't hate Prince, and gives us the info we want.  Heck for the 30% commission fee of $79.99 per member that we're paying him, he better be.

 If you would like no information for months at a time, please continue reading Brian Gate's site.


Oh, and I forgot to add:

Kenny Kadji

KSUFans.com = Jeffreytards

Don't dare question him, the wrath of the Jeffreytards will be swift.  What a bunch of tools.

Martin is the best KSU writer to come around in a loooong time, but to say that a person has no bias is just plain stupid.  It doesn't make him a bad writer, but everyone who opens their mouth (or pen) has a bias built in. 

[pissclams]

We just need a biased-detector

[Jeffrey_Martin]

taxcat and other powertards, please leave jeffrey alone.  He's not biased, doesn't hate Prince, and gives us the info we want.  Heck for the 30% commission fee of $79.99 per member that we're paying him, he better be.

 If you would like no information for months at a time, please continue reading Brian Gate's site.


Oh, and I forgot to add:

Kenny Kadji

KSUFans.com = Jeffreytards

Don't dare question him, the wrath of the Jeffreytards will be swift.  What a bunch of tools.

Martin is the best KSU writer to come around in a loooong time, but to say that a person has no bias is just plain stupid.  It doesn't make him a bad writer, but everyone who opens their mouth (or pen) has a bias built in. 

Allow me to come the defense of the posters here:

These guys help me with my job. I'm sharper and more plugged in to what some K-State fans want. I've been fair with them, and they've been fair with me. I like it here, and I think they like me. It's a nice arrangement - and it's FREE. No one is paying for premium information, or at least I haven't received any of those checks Chico keeps talking about. Probably keeping them for himself.

As for the bias part, no question. Everyone has one. That's why we, humans, do this job and not a bunch of robots - although that day may be coming. Am I guilty? No question. No one is perfect. It's human nature, really. If people treat you well, you'll treat them well. Now, if someone is nasty to you, it's going to be a struggle to not be nasty to them.

Alas, that's where being a professional comes in. Guess some are better than others.  

[michigancat]

taxcat and other powertards, please leave jeffrey alone.  He's not biased, doesn't hate Prince, and gives us the info we want.  Heck for the 30% commission fee of $79.99 per member that we're paying him, he better be.

 If you would like no information for months at a time, please continue reading Brian Gate's site.


Oh, and I forgot to add:

Kenny Kadji

KSUFans.com = Jeffreytards

Don't dare question him, the wrath of the Jeffreytards will be swift.  What a bunch of tools.

Martin is the best KSU writer to come around in a loooong time, but to say that a person has no bias is just plain stupid.  It doesn't make him a bad writer, but everyone who opens their mouth (or pen) has a bias built in. 

Allow me to come the defense of the posters here:

These guys help me with my job. I'm sharper and more plugged in to what some K-State fans want. I've been fair with them, and they've been fair with me. I like it here, and I think they like me. It's a nice arrangement - and it's FREE. No one is paying for premium information, or at least I haven't received any of those checks Chico keeps talking about. Probably keeping them for himself.

As for the bias part, no question. Everyone has one. That's why we, humans, do this job and not a bunch of robots - although that day may be coming. Am I guilty? No question. No one is perfect. It's human nature, really. If people treat you well, you'll treat them well. Now, if someone is nasty to you, it's going to be a struggle to not be nasty to them.

Alas, that's where being a professional comes in. Guess some are better than others. 

Actually, you're wrong.  KSU4ME had a good point.

NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO QUESTION J-MART.

[FBWillie]

People that claim they have no bias always crack me up.  It's human nature.

It's like when I tell my wife I'm not attracted to her friend with the huge rack and tight buns.

Need picture of wifes friend with Huge rack and tight buns please.

[ChicoRodriguez]

I haven't received any of those checks Chico keeps talking about.

mj is having me deposit the membership fees into an off-shore account and then he is supposed to pay you.  He keeps telling me the government is after him and that we have to "wash" the money.  To make a long story short, your check should be in the mail.  If you need to take civil action, please go after mj and not me.  Thanks!

One item to note: We've been giving out quite a few free memberships the past couple weeks so this month's check might not be too great.

[catzacker]

taxcat and other powertards, please leave jeffrey alone.  He's not biased, doesn't hate Prince, and gives us the info we want.  Heck for the 30% commission fee of $79.99 per member that we're paying him, he better be.

 If you would like no information for months at a time, please continue reading Brian Gate's site.


Oh, and I forgot to add:

Kenny Kadji

KSUFans.com = Jeffreytards

Don't dare question him, the wrath of the Jeffreytards will be swift.  What a bunch of tools.

Martin is the best KSU writer to come around in a loooong time, but to say that a person has no bias is just plain stupid.  It doesn't make him a bad writer, but everyone who opens their mouth (or pen) has a bias built in. 

I would rather be a J-Martard™ than a powertard.