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Sports => Frank Martin's OOD sponsored by the "Angriest Fans in America" => Topic started by: ednksu on January 21, 2010, 09:10:42 AM
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Frank to Nick:
"Actually i'm ranked last in salary of Big 12 coaches."
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Frank to Nick:
"Actually i'm ranked last in salary of Big 12 coaches."
:impatient:
Did he really say that?? If so, WOW! Anyone have a recap?
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Frank to Nick:
"Actually i'm ranked last in salary of Big 12 coaches."
:impatient:
Did he really say that?? If so, WOW! Anyone have a recap?
Yeah, this is kind of a big deal.
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Frank to Nick:
"Actually i'm ranked last in salary of Big 12 coaches."
:impatient:
which actually isn't true based on what I was able to compile from media reports.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1MjnWshHhQvu6ThgCbKPyQ?feat=directlink
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Frank to Nick:
"Actually i'm ranked last in salary of Big 12 coaches."
:impatient:
which actually isn't true based on what I was able to compile from media reports.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1MjnWshHhQvu6ThgCbKPyQ?feat=directlink
+1 I think Frank slipped up or something is out of context.
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No, he's right. McDermott is at $850K; he signed a deal starting t $650K in 2006, and he receives a raise of $50,000 every year. And Drew - that figure you quoted is woefully low. First of all, Baylor is a private school and figures don't have to be disclosed. But if anyone thinks he's under a $1 million after taking the Bears to the tournament - he just received an extension - is crazy.
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Technically, he's right.
But he's also somewhat disingenuous on this topic.
Frank made the decision (rightfully so) to pay Dalonte a higher wage than most of his contemporaries. He knew that extra cash (approximately 250k) was comming out of his pocket. You put that money in Frank's pocket and he's right at a cool mill.
Now he does deserve to be making more; but he's got to also realize he's put KSU and himself in a rather unique situation due to Dalonte's contract. Pretty sure once Te leaves for his opportunity to be a head coach; Frank's going to get a healthy chunk of that cash back.
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Frank to Nick:
"Actually i'm ranked last in salary of Big 12 coaches."
:impatient:
which actually isn't true based on what I was able to compile from media reports.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1MjnWshHhQvu6ThgCbKPyQ?feat=directlink
See my updated salary post in the contract thread mikeycat
nvm, I'll just paste it
Self 3M
Barnes 2M
Anderson 1.55M
Ford 1.3M
Turgeon 1.2M
Knight 1.2M
Capel 1.05M
Drew > 1M (can't find anything other than someone confirming it's more than 1M per and I would guess it's around 1.2-1.4)
McDermott 850K
BzDelik 800k
Doc 800K
Frank 760K
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Nick: Frank you are the second lowest payed coach in the big12...
Frank: Actually Nick, I"m the lowest
hard to change that context.
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You can listen to the podcast here for those that didnt hear it.
http://www.610sports.com/pages/5275098.php? (http://www.610sports.com/pages/5275098.php?)
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Nick: Frank you are the second lowest payed coach in the big12...
Frank: Actually Nick, I"m the lowest
hard to change that context.
Nope you are absolute correct. As long as that is a direct quote, which I believe it to be.
This is news to me though that he is the lowest paid coach in conference.
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Frank to Nick:
"Actually i'm ranked last in salary of Big 12 coaches."
:impatient:
which actually isn't true based on what I was able to compile from media reports.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1MjnWshHhQvu6ThgCbKPyQ?feat=directlink
See my updated salary post in the contract thread mikeycat
nvm, I'll just paste it
Self 3M
Barnes 2M
Anderson 1.55M
Ford 1.3M
Turgeon 1.2M
Knight 1.2M
Capel 1.05M
Drew > 1M (can't find anything other than someone confirming it's more than 1M per and I would guess it's around 1.2-1.4)
McDermott 850K
BzDelik 800k
Doc 800K
Frank 760K
Dude, I just spend half an hour making my spreadsheet, googling sources I listed. The numbers I listed are confirmed contract figures excpet for BU. Drew was paid $412k in 2007. Media reports at the time were quite clear he would be making less than the $600k that Bliss was making. Now, I was unable to find a source for his current contract, nor any speculation. Link to your source?
This February 2009 article says Drew is making $521k. You have to remember that BU is entirely private and a religious instiution, and they are going to pay a lot less than the going rate.
http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/articles/2009/02/23/private_schools_pay_up/?page=2
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Frank to Nick:
"Actually i'm ranked last in salary of Big 12 coaches."
:impatient:
which actually isn't true based on what I was able to compile from media reports.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1MjnWshHhQvu6ThgCbKPyQ?feat=directlink
See my updated salary post in the contract thread mikeycat
nvm, I'll just paste it
Self 3M
Barnes 2M
Anderson 1.55M
Ford 1.3M
Turgeon 1.2M
Knight 1.2M
Capel 1.05M
Drew > 1M (can't find anything other than someone confirming it's more than 1M per and I would guess it's around 1.2-1.4)
McDermott 850K
BzDelik 800k
Doc 800K
Frank 760K
Dude, I just spend half an hour making my spreadsheet, googling sources I listed. The numbers I listed are confirmed contract figures excpet for BU. Drew was paid $412k in 2007. Media reports at the time were quite clear he would be making less than the $600k that Bliss was making. Now, I was unable to find a source for his current contract, nor any speculation. Link to your source?
Let me get this strait....You are saying that your 30 minute Google easter egg hunt has more credibility than Franks direct quote and J-Mart's conversations with those who make a profession out of this stuff? Is this correct?
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Frank to Nick:
"Actually i'm ranked last in salary of Big 12 coaches."
:impatient:
which actually isn't true based on what I was able to compile from media reports.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1MjnWshHhQvu6ThgCbKPyQ?feat=directlink
See my updated salary post in the contract thread mikeycat
nvm, I'll just paste it
Self 3M
Barnes 2M
Anderson 1.55M
Ford 1.3M
Turgeon 1.2M
Knight 1.2M
Capel 1.05M
Drew > 1M (can't find anything other than someone confirming it's more than 1M per and I would guess it's around 1.2-1.4)
McDermott 850K
BzDelik 800k
Doc 800K
Frank 760K
Dude, I just spend half an hour making my spreadsheet, googling sources I listed. The numbers I listed are confirmed contract figures excpet for BU. Drew was paid $412k in 2007. Media reports at the time were quite clear he would be making less than the $600k that Bliss was making. Now, I was unable to find a source for his current contract, nor any speculation. Link to your source?
Let me get this strait....You are saying that your 30 minute Google easter egg hunt has more credibility than Franks direct quote and J-Mart's conversations with those who make a profession out of this stuff? Is this correct?
I am saying that based on the reports, many of them direct from the schools linked in my spreadsheet show that at least 2 coaches publicly are bing paid less than Frank. Now, he may be wrapping in other compensation that is not publicly made available, or maybe he just has more up to date info, but every number I found was based on contract terms reported.
And I haven't seen J Mart say anything about Frank being the lowest paid.
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Frank to Nick:
"Actually i'm ranked last in salary of Big 12 coaches."
:impatient:
which actually isn't true based on what I was able to compile from media reports.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1MjnWshHhQvu6ThgCbKPyQ?feat=directlink
See my updated salary post in the contract thread mikeycat
nvm, I'll just paste it
Self 3M
Barnes 2M
Anderson 1.55M
Ford 1.3M
Turgeon 1.2M
Knight 1.2M
Capel 1.05M
Drew > 1M (can't find anything other than someone confirming it's more than 1M per and I would guess it's around 1.2-1.4)
McDermott 850K
BzDelik 800k
Doc 800K
Frank 760K
Dude, I just spend half an hour making my spreadsheet, googling sources I listed. The numbers I listed are confirmed contract figures excpet for BU. Drew was paid $412k in 2007. Media reports at the time were quite clear he would be making less than the $600k that Bliss was making. Now, I was unable to find a source for his current contract, nor any speculation. Link to your source?
Let me get this strait....You are saying that your 30 minute Google easter egg hunt has more credibility than Franks direct quote and J-Mart's conversations with those who make a profession out of this stuff? Is this correct?
I am saying that based on the reports, many of them direct from the schools linked in my spreadsheet show that at least 2 coaches publicly are bing paid less than Frank. Now, he may be wrapping in other compensation that is not publicly made available, or maybe he just has more up to date info, but every number I found was based on contract terms reported.
And I haven't seen J Mart say anything about Frank being the lowest paid.
A fair point. So, do you believe that Frank is mis-informed, lying, or you are misinformed? Those are our three options. There are no others.
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I think JMart did his work by starting that exploding thread.
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No, he's right. McDermott is at $850K; he signed a deal starting t $650K in 2006, and he receives a raise of $50,000 every year. And Drew - that figure you quoted is woefully low. First of all, Baylor is a private school and figures don't have to be disclosed. But if anyone thinks he's under a $1 million after taking the Bears to the tournament - he just received an extension - is crazy.
I just re-read the terms of McDermott. I did have an error by $50k. McDermott signed a contract extension in March 06 paying him $650k plus $50k a year raise, so $700k in 07, $750k in 08, and 800k in 09.
http://www.iowastatedaily.com/articles/2006/03/28/sports/20060328-archive0.txt
Unless you have a better source, Bzdelik is still paid $750k at CU. http://colorado.scout.com/2/637062.html
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You can listen to the podcast here for those that didnt hear it.
http://www.610sports.com/pages/5275098.php? (http://www.610sports.com/pages/5275098.php?)
The Frank quote isnt up yet is it? Or am i missing something?
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Frank to Nick:
"Actually i'm ranked last in salary of Big 12 coaches."
:impatient:
which actually isn't true based on what I was able to compile from media reports.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1MjnWshHhQvu6ThgCbKPyQ?feat=directlink
See my updated salary post in the contract thread mikeycat
nvm, I'll just paste it
Self 3M
Barnes 2M
Anderson 1.55M
Ford 1.3M
Turgeon 1.2M
Knight 1.2M
Capel 1.05M
Drew > 1M (can't find anything other than someone confirming it's more than 1M per and I would guess it's around 1.2-1.4)
McDermott 850K
BzDelik 800k
Doc 800K
Frank 760K
Dude, I just spend half an hour making my spreadsheet, googling sources I listed. The numbers I listed are confirmed contract figures excpet for BU. Drew was paid $412k in 2007. Media reports at the time were quite clear he would be making less than the $600k that Bliss was making. Now, I was unable to find a source for his current contract, nor any speculation. Link to your source?
This February 2009 article says Drew is making $521k. You have to remember that BU is entirely private and a religious instiution, and they are going to pay a lot less than the going rate.
http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/articles/2009/02/23/private_schools_pay_up/?page=2
You're quoting from a story that says in the first or second paragraph that it's information derived from a 2007 tax filing. Trust me, no chance Scott Drew is making less than a $1 million per. No chance.
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JMart has proven that he's still the most important reporter in the state even thought he's out of the state...Which is why Frank Martin called JMart and told him to get the ball rolling on this thing. I wonder how much of Frank's raise goes to JMart's gratuity.
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Frank to Nick:
"Actually i'm ranked last in salary of Big 12 coaches."
:impatient:
which actually isn't true based on what I was able to compile from media reports.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1MjnWshHhQvu6ThgCbKPyQ?feat=directlink
See my updated salary post in the contract thread mikeycat
nvm, I'll just paste it
Self 3M
Barnes 2M
Anderson 1.55M
Ford 1.3M
Turgeon 1.2M
Knight 1.2M
Capel 1.05M
Drew > 1M (can't find anything other than someone confirming it's more than 1M per and I would guess it's around 1.2-1.4)
McDermott 850K
BzDelik 800k
Doc 800K
Frank 760K
Dude, I just spend half an hour making my spreadsheet, googling sources I listed. The numbers I listed are confirmed contract figures excpet for BU. Drew was paid $412k in 2007. Media reports at the time were quite clear he would be making less than the $600k that Bliss was making. Now, I was unable to find a source for his current contract, nor any speculation. Link to your source?
Let me get this strait....You are saying that your 30 minute Google easter egg hunt has more credibility than Franks direct quote and J-Mart's conversations with those who make a profession out of this stuff? Is this correct?
I am saying that based on the reports, many of them direct from the schools linked in my spreadsheet show that at least 2 coaches publicly are bing paid less than Frank. Now, he may be wrapping in other compensation that is not publicly made available, or maybe he just has more up to date info, but every number I found was based on contract terms reported.
And I haven't seen J Mart say anything about Frank being the lowest paid.
A fair point. So, do you believe that Frank is mis-informed, lying, or you are misinformed? Those are our three options. There are no others.
no, like I said, he's probably including other compensation. But KSU has no control over shoe contracts, appearance fees, etc. so it's not fair to judge the contract terms based on that. Part of that onus is on the coach and his agent to negotiate with those entities.
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Frank to Nick:
"Actually i'm ranked last in salary of Big 12 coaches."
:impatient:
which actually isn't true based on what I was able to compile from media reports.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1MjnWshHhQvu6ThgCbKPyQ?feat=directlink
See my updated salary post in the contract thread mikeycat
nvm, I'll just paste it
Self 3M
Barnes 2M
Anderson 1.55M
Ford 1.3M
Turgeon 1.2M
Knight 1.2M
Capel 1.05M
Drew > 1M (can't find anything other than someone confirming it's more than 1M per and I would guess it's around 1.2-1.4)
McDermott 850K
BzDelik 800k
Doc 800K
Frank 760K
Dude, I just spend half an hour making my spreadsheet, googling sources I listed. The numbers I listed are confirmed contract figures excpet for BU. Drew was paid $412k in 2007. Media reports at the time were quite clear he would be making less than the $600k that Bliss was making. Now, I was unable to find a source for his current contract, nor any speculation. Link to your source?
This February 2009 article says Drew is making $521k. You have to remember that BU is entirely private and a religious instiution, and they are going to pay a lot less than the going rate.
http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/articles/2009/02/23/private_schools_pay_up/?page=2
You're quoting from a story that says in the first or second paragraph that it's information derived from a 2007 tax filing. Trust me, no chance Scott Drew is making less than a $1 million per. No chance.
The other part of this is that Frank's agent surely knows what Drew is making, or at the least has some very sophisticated intelligence on this. Frank's not going to pop off like that without his agent providing him some solid facts.
In either case, we are splitting hairs. Frank is effectively the lowest paid coach in the Big 12, or he's in a very, very tight race to be the lowest.
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JMart has proven that he's still the most important reporter in the state even thought he's out of the state...Which is why Frank Martin called JMart and told him to get the ball rolling on this thing. I wonder how much of Frank's raise goes to JMart's gratuity.
Seriously, no conversations of the sort have occurred between me and Frank.
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Jeff - why is Frank doing this? If he's unhappy or feels slighted, he should just leave.
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Frank to Nick:
"Actually i'm ranked last in salary of Big 12 coaches."
:impatient:
which actually isn't true based on what I was able to compile from media reports.
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/1MjnWshHhQvu6ThgCbKPyQ?feat=directlink
See my updated salary post in the contract thread mikeycat
nvm, I'll just paste it
Self 3M
Barnes 2M
Anderson 1.55M
Ford 1.3M
Turgeon 1.2M
Knight 1.2M
Capel 1.05M
Drew > 1M (can't find anything other than someone confirming it's more than 1M per and I would guess it's around 1.2-1.4)
McDermott 850K
BzDelik 800k
Doc 800K
Frank 760K
Dude, I just spend half an hour making my spreadsheet, googling sources I listed. The numbers I listed are confirmed contract figures excpet for BU. Drew was paid $412k in 2007. Media reports at the time were quite clear he would be making less than the $600k that Bliss was making. Now, I was unable to find a source for his current contract, nor any speculation. Link to your source?
This February 2009 article says Drew is making $521k. You have to remember that BU is entirely private and a religious instiution, and they are going to pay a lot less than the going rate.
http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/articles/2009/02/23/private_schools_pay_up/?page=2
Oh man, you used Google!
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You can listen to the podcast here for those that didnt hear it.
http://www.610sports.com/pages/5275098.php? (http://www.610sports.com/pages/5275098.php?)
The Frank quote isnt up yet is it? Or am i missing something?
No, its on the podcast if you listen to it. Wright says, "Coach, looking at the figures, you are about the 10th highest paid coach in the Big 12." Wright asked something to the effect if he thinks that's fair. Franks says, " Well, if people do a little research, they'll see that I am actually last in the in the Big 12."
WOW. GET THIS MAN PAID CURRIE!!!!!!!!!
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Jeff - why is Frank doing this? If he's unhappy or feels slighted, he should just leave.
if you're a glass half full type, it's obviously a good sign. he's efforting to be paid at kstate. he wouldn't bother if he knew he'd leave asap.
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You can listen to the podcast here for those that didnt hear it.
http://www.610sports.com/pages/5275098.php? (http://www.610sports.com/pages/5275098.php?)
The Frank quote isnt up yet is it? Or am i missing something?
No, its on the podcast if you listen to it. Wright says, "Coach, looking at the figures, you are about the 10th highest paid coach in the Big 12." Wright asked something to the effect if he thinks that's fair. Franks says, " Well, if people do a little research, they'll see that I am actually last in the in the Big 12."
WOW. GET THIS MAN PAID CURRIE!!!!!!!!!
Which podcast is it?
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I think Frank is doing it to get a commitment to the program more than his own bank account.
Remember, Frank was here when Weiser was giving himself 500k loans and Krause was giving Prince whatever millions he ends up with, he may not have a lot of sympathy for the "We will pay what we can, we are a unique situation" routine.
I am actually encouraged that Frank has said and done (Jmart leak) what he has. If he wanted out, he could just ride out this year and then go somewhere else at the end of the season (any ACC, BE or SEC job that has an AD that needs to win, DePaul would be a good fit, wouldn't it?
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You can listen to the podcast here for those that didnt hear it.
http://www.610sports.com/pages/5275098.php? (http://www.610sports.com/pages/5275098.php?)
The Frank quote isnt up yet is it? Or am i missing something?
No, its on the podcast if you listen to it. Wright says, "Coach, looking at the figures, you are about the 10th highest paid coach in the Big 12." Wright asked something to the effect if he thinks that's fair. Franks says, " Well, if people do a little research, they'll see that I am actually last in the in the Big 12."
WOW. GET THIS MAN PAID CURRIE!!!!!!!!!
Which podcast is it?
Here is a direct link!
http://www.fileskcsp.com/whatswright/ww_frankmartin012110.mp3 (http://www.fileskcsp.com/whatswright/ww_frankmartin012110.mp3)
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Jeff - why is Frank doing this? If he's unhappy or feels slighted, he should just leave.
if you're a glass half full type, it's obviously a good sign. he's efforting to be paid at kstate. he wouldn't bother if he knew he'd leave asap.
I guess I don't see why it's necessary. How much more money can he get by this method compared to just beating the number 1 team in the country and/or threatening to take his lucrative Miami offer? Can't be a big difference. If anything, this just generates more bad blood between curry and frank.
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(http://joshqpublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/Frank-Martin-1.jpg)
"PAY ME BITCHES!!!!!"
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Jeff - why is Frank doing this? If he's unhappy or feels slighted, he should just leave.
if you're a glass half full type, it's obviously a good sign. he's efforting to be paid at kstate. he wouldn't bother if he knew he'd leave asap.
I guess I don't see why it's necessary. How much more money can he get by this method compared to just beating the number 1 team in the country and/or threatening to take his lucrative Miami offer? Can't be a big difference. If anything, this just generates more bad blood between curry and frank.
This is what makes me think that there is ALREADY bad blood between Currie and Frank.
We have already heard reports that the stood up to Old Balls and didn't give him many of the "perks" his previous contracts included....I think Currie is trying to show some folks who's the boss.
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Jeff - why is Frank doing this? If he's unhappy or feels slighted, he should just leave.
if you're a glass half full type, it's obviously a good sign. he's efforting to be paid at kstate. he wouldn't bother if he knew he'd leave asap.
I guess I don't see why it's necessary. How much more money can he get by this method compared to just beating the number 1 team in the country and/or threatening to take his lucrative Miami offer? Can't be a big difference. If anything, this just generates more bad blood between curry and frank.
This is what makes me think that there is ALREADY bad blood between Currie and Frank.
We have already heard reports that the stood up to Old Balls and didn't give him many of the "perks" his previous contracts included....I think Currie is trying to show some folks who's the boss.
My theory is he's already good as gone - this is just making the fans not hate him in the process.
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My theory is he's already good as gone - this is just making the fans not hate him in the process.
a) he's smart enough to know they'll hate him regardless. b) why would he care?
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goddammit. just when I beginning to feel good/better about this. if currie thinks it's tough to get donations now, just wait.
Does Bruce Pearl have any good assistants?
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is automatic to up and leave is kidding themselves. Although we LOVE him, and we do, he has baggage. His language, his temper, the incident with Merriwether, those are not career enders, but the man will bring baggage that not every AD is going to like. Much like Huggs, it took that right opportunity for both he and the school to move.
Oh, and Kirby Hocutt, GTFOOMF.
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is automatic to up and leave is kidding themselves. Although we LOVE him, and we do, he has baggage. His language, his temper, the incident with Merriwether, those are not career enders, but the man will bring baggage that not every AD is going to like. Much like Huggs, it took that right opportunity for both he and the school to move.
he has no baggage. stop being delusional.
KSU fans didn't think Huggins would leave either. And if you say you did, you are a f*cking liar.
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My theory is he's already good as gone - this is just making the fans not hate him in the process.
a) he's smart enough to know they'll hate him regardless. b) why would he care?
I get that, but I also don't see what he gains other than pissing off currie. I just don't know.
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You can listen to the podcast here for those that didnt hear it.
http://www.610sports.com/pages/5275098.php? (http://www.610sports.com/pages/5275098.php?)
The Frank quote isnt up yet is it? Or am i missing something?
No, its on the podcast if you listen to it. Wright says, "Coach, looking at the figures, you are about the 10th highest paid coach in the Big 12." Wright asked something to the effect if he thinks that's fair. Franks says, " Well, if people do a little research, they'll see that I am actually last in the in the Big 12."
WOW. GET THIS MAN PAID CURRIE!!!!!!!!!
Which podcast is it?
Here is a direct link!
http://www.fileskcsp.com/whatswright/ww_frankmartin012110.mp3 (http://www.fileskcsp.com/whatswright/ww_frankmartin012110.mp3)
I actually feel better after listening to that.
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is automatic to up and leave is kidding themselves. Although we LOVE him, and we do, he has baggage. His language, his temper, the incident with Merriwether, those are not career enders, but the man will bring baggage that not every AD is going to like. Much like Huggs, it took that right opportunity for both he and the school to move.
he has no baggage. stop being delusional.
KSU fans didn't think Huggins would leave either. And if you say you did, you are a f*cking liar.
all the "martin contract" related threads have the same "huggins to west virginia" feel to them. goddammit. he's gone. all that's missing is a frank martin video from you, fats, and it's practically set in stone.
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My theory is he's already good as gone - this is just making the fans not hate him in the process.
a) he's smart enough to know they'll hate him regardless. b) why would he care?
I get that, but I also don't see what he gains other than pissing off currie. I just don't know.
The speculation on what is going on here has gotten a little ridiculous. But it is fun to read. JMHO.
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something i got from this interview was how much Frank loves his kids. could provide a decent reason for Frank staying at least another yr ala roy williams saying he stayed when he knew kans had collison/heinrich coming back. with pullen, who is like Martin's own son, senior yr looming this could be in play as a reason for staying then perhaps he could bolt after that like williams did when he knew he didnt have a good core coming back.
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My theory is he's already good as gone - this is just making the fans not hate him in the process.
a) he's smart enough to know they'll hate him regardless. b) why would he care?
I get that, but I also don't see what he gains other than pissing off currie. I just don't know.
The speculation on what is going on here has gotten a little ridiculous. But it is fun to read. JMHO.
Lets not listen to what he says, but what he DOESN'T say. It's the K-State way. :thumbsup:
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something i got from this interview was how much Frank loves his kids. could provide a decent reason for Frank staying at least another yr ala roy williams saying he stayed when he knew kans had collison/heinrich coming back. with pullen, who is like Martin's own son, senior yr looming this could be in play as a reason for staying then perhaps he could bolt after that like williams did when he knew he didnt have a good core coming back.
maybe, but as an AD, you have to be as paranoid as possible.
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My theory is he's already good as gone - this is just making the fans not hate him in the process.
a) he's smart enough to know they'll hate him regardless. b) why would he care?
I also don't see what he gains other than pissing off currie.
you're not being serious are you?
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KSU fans didn't think Huggins would leave either. And if you say you did, you are a f*cking liar.
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=6458.msg64560#msg64560
you're not being serious are you?
I'm serious. What does he have to gain that hasn't already been gained by his on-court performance? :dunno:
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I must say that I love the "Frank Martin leaked this story to JMart" conspiracy theory. A controversey wouldn't be complete without wild, baseless conspiracy theories. Keep up the good work, guys!
And for those concluding that Frank Martin is going to leave K-State, I hope you understand that this will happen regardless of what happens with these contract negotiations. K-State cannot compete with the offer that Frank will eventually get from a richer, more prestigous school. He's going to leave. It's just a matter of time. But these contract negotations are important because they will help to influence whether he leaves sooner or later.
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I must say that I love the "Frank Martin leaked this story to JMart" conspiracy theory. A controversey wouldn't be complete without wild, baseless conspiracy theories. Keep up the good work, guys!
And for those concluding that Frank Martin is going to leave K-State, I hope you understand that this will happen regardless of what happens with these contract negotiations. K-State cannot compete with the offer that Frank will eventually get from a richer, more prestigous school. He's going to leave. It's just a matter of time. But these contract negotations are important because they will help to influence whether he leaves sooner or later.
They'll also influence future coaches :'(
Lew Perkins has chunks of Curries in his stool.
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pullen, who is like Martin's own son, senior yr looming this could be in play as a reason for staying then perhaps he could bolt after that like williams did when he knew he didnt have a good core coming back.
unless kstate just refuses even approach reasonable, i'd be surprised if martin leaves before pullen does. partly based on emotional attachment, but not mostly. after the 10-11 season would just be the logical time to leave, if he's going to do so.
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is automatic to up and leave is kidding themselves. Although we LOVE him, and we do, he has baggage. His language, his temper, the incident with Merriwether, those are not career enders, but the man will bring baggage that not every AD is going to like. Much like Huggs, it took that right opportunity for both he and the school to move.
Oh, and Kirby Hocutt, GTFOOMF.
I’ve been thinking about that, too. Obviously that kind of stuff is overblown in the fans’ minds (at least most of them), but what about in Currie’s mind? Even if he shrugs his shoulders at all of it, he will certainly use the language, the animated sideline behavior and the Merriwether incident as some sort of leverage in negotiations, no?
And how will Frank react to that?
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KSU fans didn't think Huggins would leave either. And if you say you did, you are a f*cking liar.
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=6458.msg64560#msg64560
you're not being serious are you?
I'm serious. What does he have to gain that hasn't already been gained by his on-court performance? :dunno:
you know i'm not talking about you. but nice thread anyway. I have a bunch during last years big 12 losing streak where i defended frank that I kind of want to bump.
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q: what does frank have to gain by pissing off currie by asking for more money
a: increased worth in the marketplace
frank could be leveraging salary proposals from k-state in order to increase his worth at other schools.
also, black helicopters.
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q: what does frank have to gain by pissing off currie by asking for more money
a: increased worth in the marketplace
frank could be leveraging salary proposals from k-state in order to increase his worth at other schools.
also, black helicopters.
How does this make him more valuable than wins? If anything, knowing KSU has lowballed and insulted him will cause other schools to think they can get him on the cheap.
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How much are we paying Weiser for his 10 -year "Consulting" Contract?
EMAW
Reg
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How does this make him more valuable than wins? If anything, knowing KSU has lowballed and insulted him will cause other schools to think they can get him on the cheap.
ok. how 'bout back to the original jeffrey martin premise: martin wants to stay at kstate and get paid lots of money, but currie is an obstacle to that.
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come back, jeff. please.
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because, any number offered is more than he's making today. get into a back and forth w/ Currie during season when he knows he's not going anywhere anyway. create outrage w/ alumni and fans, force AD to continue pursuing him throughout springtime with offer after offer, each time raising the offer and benefits to he and his staff. late spring comes, basketball is over, coaches from all around are out of jobs. ADs from all around start calling frank. frank isn't worth $760k/yr anymore, he's worth whatever 4 months of negotiating with Currie has gotten him to.
at that point frank forces Currie's hand to pay what the other schools are offering, or something close, or he can choose to leave.
all of this does in no way imply he's trying to leave MHK.
also, black helicopters.
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KSU fans didn't think Huggins would leave either. And if you say you did, you are a f*cking liar.
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=6458.msg64560#msg64560
you're not being serious are you?
I'm serious. What does he have to gain that hasn't already been gained by his on-court performance? :dunno:
ok.
1)let's assume that frank and the staff want out. they don't like mhk. the weather. their AD. they are looking for the next step. more money. bigger city. etc. -i would think that this clearly, cleary sends the message to AD's at other schools that kstate is a joke and that they could easily make a run at frank if they want him. they can send out feelers to big boosters. talk to frank via backchannels. whatever. maybe it gets boosters at other schools calling their AD's and going "hey, how about we hire that martin guy and get rid of our current coach." if they want out than there is an advantage to getting this out there. period.
2)assuming they want to stay in mhk for at least another year past this one. getting this out there gets the public on franks side. puts a new AD on the defensive. rallies the troops. gets people talking about facilities. sends a clear, clear message to Currie that ksu people want and expect currie to do whatever he has to, to keep frank here. increases donations in an attempt to keep frank. most ksu fans did not know that he was THE lowest paid coach in the big12. they do now.
3) in both scenarios it kind of makes currie look like a b00b, which is a probably a pretty good feeling for frank given that the man insulted the crap out of him by offering him a cost of living raise that would have kept his salary in line with with the retard pile at the back of the big 12 (doc,bzd and mckneck).
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I must say that I love the "Frank Martin leaked this story to JMart" conspiracy theory. A controversey wouldn't be complete without wild, baseless conspiracy theories. Keep up the good work, guys!
And for those concluding that Frank Martin is going to leave K-State, I hope you understand that this will happen regardless of what happens with these contract negotiations. K-State cannot compete with the offer that Frank will eventually get from a richer, more prestigous school. He's going to leave. It's just a matter of time. But these contract negotations are important because they will help to influence whether he leaves sooner or later.
I want to slap you for posting this. This is the same bs attitude that got us guys like Wooly and Ron Prince.
My guess is that 'Te is the one who leaves KSU within a couple of years. As soon as that happens that is a lot of money freed up for Frank. Plus, if we have continued success Frank/KSU will become more of a recruiting force on their own.
Sure KSU is going to have to step up and give Frank just compensation beforehand, but the real money opens up when we aren't paying Te 500k a year.
My only hope is that ADJC and the new pres. just don't like Frank. This is my biggest fear.
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because, any number offered is more than he's making today. get into a back and forth w/ Currie during season when he knows he's not going anywhere anyway. create outrage w/ alumni and fans, force AD to continue pursuing him throughout springtime with offer after offer, each time raising the offer and benefits to he and his staff. late spring comes, basketball is over, coaches from all around are out of jobs. ADs from all around start calling frank. frank isn't worth $760k/yr anymore, he's worth whatever 4 months of negotiating with Currie has gotten him to.
at that point frank forces Currie's hand to pay what the other schools are offering, or something close, or he can choose to leave.
all of this does in no way imply he's trying to leave MHK.
also, black helicopters.
JFC, great post.
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How does this make him more valuable than wins? If anything, knowing KSU has lowballed and insulted him will cause other schools to think they can get him on the cheap.
ok. how 'bout back to the original jeffrey martin premise: martin wants to stay at kstate and get paid lots of money, but currie is an obstacle to that.
If he think currie is a retard, getting a bunch of fans to email him won't make currie not a retard. Why would you want to work for a retard?
KSU fans didn't think Huggins would leave either. And if you say you did, you are a f*cking liar.
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=6458.msg64560#msg64560
you're not being serious are you?
I'm serious. What does he have to gain that hasn't already been gained by his on-court performance? :dunno:
ok.
1)let's assume that frank and the staff want out. they don't like mhk. the weather. their AD. they are looking for the next step. more money. bigger city. etc. -i would think that this clearly, cleary sends the message to AD's at other schools that kstate is a joke and that they could easily make a run at frank if they want him. they can send out feelers to big boosters. talk to frank via backchannels. whatever. maybe it gets boosters at other schools calling their AD's and going "hey, how about we hire that martin guy and get rid of our current coach." if they want out than there is an advantage to getting this out there. period.
2)assuming they want to stay in mhk for at least another year past this one. getting this out there gets the public on franks side. puts a new AD on the defensive. rallies the troops. gets people talking about facilities. sends a clear, clear message to Currie that ksu people want and expect currie to do whatever he has to, to keep frank here. increases donations in an attempt to keep frank. most ksu fans did not know that he was THE lowest paid coach in the big12. they do now.
3) in both scenarios it kind of makes currie look like a b00b, which is a probably a pretty good feeling for frank given that the man insulted the crap out of him by offering him a cost of living raise that would have kept his salary in line with with the retard pile at the back of the big 12 (doc,bzd and mckneck).
Everything you mentioned could have been done in private w/ basically the same result. You could argue that Martin privately putting out feelers w/o an "I am insulted by KSU's offer" feel could be even more effective for his market value.
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A $40K annual "cost of living" raise.
Fascinating.
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How does this make him more valuable than wins? If anything, knowing KSU has lowballed and insulted him will cause other schools to think they can get him on the cheap.
ok. how 'bout back to the original jeffrey martin premise: martin wants to stay at kstate and get paid lots of money, but currie is an obstacle to that.
If he think currie is a retard, getting a bunch of fans to email him won't make currie not a retard. Why would you want to work for a retard?
KSU fans didn't think Huggins would leave either. And if you say you did, you are a f*cking liar.
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=6458.msg64560#msg64560
you're not being serious are you?
I'm serious. What does he have to gain that hasn't already been gained by his on-court performance? :dunno:
ok.
1)let's assume that frank and the staff want out. they don't like mhk. the weather. their AD. they are looking for the next step. more money. bigger city. etc. -i would think that this clearly, cleary sends the message to AD's at other schools that kstate is a joke and that they could easily make a run at frank if they want him. they can send out feelers to big boosters. talk to frank via backchannels. whatever. maybe it gets boosters at other schools calling their AD's and going "hey, how about we hire that martin guy and get rid of our current coach." if they want out than there is an advantage to getting this out there. period.
2)assuming they want to stay in mhk for at least another year past this one. getting this out there gets the public on franks side. puts a new AD on the defensive. rallies the troops. gets people talking about facilities. sends a clear, clear message to Currie that ksu people want and expect currie to do whatever he has to, to keep frank here. increases donations in an attempt to keep frank. most ksu fans did not know that he was THE lowest paid coach in the big12. they do now.
3) in both scenarios it kind of makes currie look like a b00b, which is a probably a pretty good feeling for frank given that the man insulted the crap out of him by offering him a cost of living raise that would have kept his salary in line with with the retard pile at the back of the big 12 (doc,bzd and mckneck).
Everything you mentioned could have been done in private w/ basically the same result.
nope. #2 and #3 most def could not have.
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#2 could have, plus the guy doing your negotiations isn't pissed about you leaking negotiations details.
you're right about #3 (I got bored, didn't read #3). This accomplishes the task of making currie look like a boob more than any other.
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A $40K annual "cost of living" raise.
Fascinating.
what's fascinating about it dax?
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what's frustrating is that all I can do is step aside and let the wealthy wheel and deal...because I'm not a millionaire and all I can do is donate to Ahearn and buy a season ticket. After that I'm tapped out. Can't give KSU any more than that. Sorry. Gotta a cost of living to sustain and a retirement to take care of.
I just don't want to have to go back to the Wooly days of moral victory celebrations and being happy to be on the bubble..and 2 game winning streaks........just not yet. Not next season. Maybe in three seasons...just not now. We've got something building.
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Guys, I'm gonna buy a powerball ticket this week. Problem may be solved. Stay tuned...
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I must say that I love the "Frank Martin leaked this story to JMart" conspiracy theory. A controversey wouldn't be complete without wild, baseless conspiracy theories. Keep up the good work, guys!
And for those concluding that Frank Martin is going to leave K-State, I hope you understand that this will happen regardless of what happens with these contract negotiations. K-State cannot compete with the offer that Frank will eventually get from a richer, more prestigous school. He's going to leave. It's just a matter of time. But these contract negotations are important because they will help to influence whether he leaves sooner or later.
I want to slap you for posting this. This is the same bs attitude that got us guys like Wooly and Ron Prince.
My guess is that 'Te is the one who leaves KSU within a couple of years. As soon as that happens that is a lot of money freed up for Frank. Plus, if we have continued success Frank/KSU will become more of a recruiting force on their own.
Sure KSU is going to have to step up and give Frank just compensation beforehand, but the real money opens up when we aren't paying Te 500k a year.
My only hope is that ADJC and the new pres. just don't like Frank. This is my biggest fear.
I wasn't aware that realism was a "bs attitude." A year or so from now, Martin will be able to get $1.75M or more per year from a bigger, more prestigous school, plus more money from his coach's TV show, plus more money on the shoe contract, etc. What attitude overcomes all of that for K-State? Where is the huge money that is going to overcome all of that and keep Frank here? Do you think Frank is just going to sit and wait for that assistant to leave so he can get his really big raise from K-State? (which will still be less than he could get elsewhere). I'm sorry, but reality is reality.
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How does this make him more valuable than wins? If anything, knowing KSU has lowballed and insulted him will cause other schools to think they can get him on the cheap.
ok. how 'bout back to the original jeffrey martin premise: martin wants to stay at kstate and get paid lots of money, but currie is an obstacle to that.
This is what makes me think frank is gone in the near future regardless of any agreement he and currie enter into at the end or during the season. And for the people that think “well, he would be gone anyways” while that may be true, we’ll never know if he would have stayed based upon some intangible things that he thought he had here (i.e. loyalty, a good relationship with the AD, a real committment, etc.) because our AD decided to throw some asinine number out there to begin with. It’s completely obvious that Frank wants more money for himself and his staff and has told people (who have then intern told reporters) as such. He himself just corrected a radio show host to say he’s the lowest paid coach in the big 12. To me, he’s gone, regardless of the new contract. The sad thing is we’ll never know if he would have stayed had our AD not been, allegedly, so obtuse.
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Because you are basically saying we can't afford to pay Frank 1.5 - 2.0 mill per if and when he is worth it. That is b.s. IMHO. You have to spend money to make money and KSU basketball can make a lot of money.
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How does this make him more valuable than wins? If anything, knowing KSU has lowballed and insulted him will cause other schools to think they can get him on the cheap.
ok. how 'bout back to the original jeffrey martin premise: martin wants to stay at kstate and get paid lots of money, but currie is an obstacle to that.
This is what makes me think frank is gone in the near future regardless of any agreement he and currie enter into at the end or during the season. And for the people that think “well, he would be gone anyways” while that may be true, we’ll never know if he would have stayed based upon some intangible things that he thought he had here (i.e. loyalty, a good relationship with the AD, a real committment, etc.) because our AD decided to throw some asinine number out there to begin with. It’s completely obvious that Frank wants more money for himself and his staff and has told people (who have then intern told reporters) as such. He himself just corrected a radio show host to say he’s the lowest paid coach in the big 12. To me, he’s gone, regardless of the new contract. The sad thing is we’ll never know if he would have stayed had our AD not been, allegedly, so obtuse.
I don't know why you think the "asinine number" that Currie initially offered Martin in a contract extension negotiation is going to prove to be a more important factor in Frank's eventual decision to leave than the huge number that some other team is going to offer him. THAT is what is going to make him leave (in addition to the fact that he'll undoubtedly be going to a more prestigous school, not a possible feeling of disrespect from the school at one point in a contract negotiation. But I guess it is, and will be, more fun to blame the school than to blame the man who will leave to take more money.
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A $40K annual "cost of living" raise.
Fascinating.
given your experience with big time negotiations what is the usual cost of living increase?
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A $40K annual "cost of living" raise.
Fascinating.
what's fascinating about it dax?
Oh, it's just that $40K is in line with the median annual household income in Riley County.
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Because you are basically saying we can't afford to pay Frank 1.5 - 2.0 mill per if and when he is worth it. That is b.s. IMHO. You have to spend money to make money and KSU basketball can make a lot of money.
Do you really know what K-State's men's basketball team's revenue potential is? And that revenue potential is still mostly potential. Where does the University get the money in the meantime to pay that huge salary to Martin before the potential is realized? We're not talking about the expenses of some billionaire professional sports team's owner. We're talking about a university which is in a difficult financial situation at the moment. Money doesn't grow on trees.
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A $40K annual "cost of living" raise.
Fascinating.
what's fascinating about it dax?
Oh, it's just that $40K is in line with the median annual household income in Riley County.
it's also around 5% of his salary. cola. embarassing if true.
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Frank is new to "big-time" negotiations. This is just his "hey world! We got Mario Little!" moment. He will learn from this, and be better for it. He should have kept his mouth shut.
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How does this make him more valuable than wins? If anything, knowing KSU has lowballed and insulted him will cause other schools to think they can get him on the cheap.
ok. how 'bout back to the original jeffrey martin premise: martin wants to stay at kstate and get paid lots of money, but currie is an obstacle to that.
This is what makes me think frank is gone in the near future regardless of any agreement he and currie enter into at the end or during the season. And for the people that think “well, he would be gone anyways” while that may be true, we’ll never know if he would have stayed based upon some intangible things that he thought he had here (i.e. loyalty, a good relationship with the AD, a real committment, etc.) because our AD decided to throw some asinine number out there to begin with. It’s completely obvious that Frank wants more money for himself and his staff and has told people (who have then intern told reporters) as such. He himself just corrected a radio show host to say he’s the lowest paid coach in the big 12. To me, he’s gone, regardless of the new contract. The sad thing is we’ll never know if he would have stayed had our AD not been, allegedly, so obtuse.
I don't know why you think the "asinine number" that Currie initially offered Martin in a contract extension negotiation is going to prove to be a more important factor in Frank's eventual decision to leave than the huge number that some other team is going to offer him. THAT is what is going to make him leave (in addition to the fact that he'll undoubtedly be going to a more prestigous school, not a possible feeling of disrespect from the school at one point in a contract negotiation. But I guess it is, and will be, more fun to blame the school than to blame the man who will leave to take more money.
No offense, but you’re just as obtuse as Currie (allegedly) is. If you’re at a school that has inherent disadvantages to other schools, you don’t piss away the one advantage that your school has. IMO, your one advantage is that, by all accounts, Frank is a loyal guy, maybe to a fault. Now, that’s just my opinion, maybe that’s just what I want to believe, but that’s what I believe. You don’t come at a guy like that and disrespect him. I'm not saying that this will make him stay, but (a) it wouldn't hurt and (b) it doesn't cost anything more than what you were going to pay anyway.
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:'( it's all i got
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Frank shouldn't have considered any raise after last season an insult when he agreed to this deal just a year before:
http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=400&ATCLID=1440999
If he accomplished more than a magical NIT victory, he would maybe have a point.
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Frank shouldn't have considered any raise after last season an insult when he agreed to this deal just a year before:
http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=400&ATCLID=1440999
If he accomplished more than a magical NIT victory, he would maybe have a point.
I want to keep Frank, but I like michigancats take as well. Where is Kstate in all of this? Didn't we pledge a five year deal two years ago?
What happened to that plan? Oh, that's right...Frank is having a good year this year so I guess we crumple up that contract and make a new one so he doesn't bolt for greener pastures.
While he deserves and increase...he also deserves to finish out this season and keep off the airwaves about how little he is being paid.
So in short, I'm somewere in between getting him paid at whatever the cost and having him honor a contract he made with Kstate.
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Because you are basically saying we can't afford to pay Frank 1.5 - 2.0 mill per if and when he is worth it. That is b.s. IMHO. You have to spend money to make money and KSU basketball can make a lot of money.
Do you really know what K-State's men's basketball team's revenue potential is? And that revenue potential is still mostly potential. Where does the University get the money in the meantime to pay that huge salary to Martin before the potential is realized? We're not talking about the expenses of some billionaire professional sports team's owner. We're talking about a university which is in a difficult financial situation at the moment. Money doesn't grow on trees.
What do you consider a huge salary?
uk, ku, UCLA, IU, UNC, and probably Duke are the marquee jobs in the country. This a pretty cut and try. After that you have the huge budget football schools that also are prone to paying huge salaries to bball coaches, tOSU, UF, UT etc. IMHO, after these few jobs everyone has the oppy to be in pretty much the same boat. It all depends on success. I'm not saying that if one of the schools I mentioned comes calling with offers of 2.5 or 3m per that Frank wouldn't leave. I'm saying that KSU has every oppy to be competitive in salary with most of the cbb world.
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Wow Daris . . . Frank must have a pretty high flying lifestyle.
He seems more normal to me . . . but hey you never know these days.
Going with Rusty . . . Frank signs new contract and new extension, has a magical 1 or 2 point NIT victory in Bramlage, then gets worked like a little b_tch out in San Diego . . . but suddenly K-State and Currie need to slobber all over him with a $2-3-400K pay increase and contract extenstion prior to the season even starting??
:thumbsup:
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How does this make him more valuable than wins? If anything, knowing KSU has lowballed and insulted him will cause other schools to think they can get him on the cheap.
ok. how 'bout back to the original jeffrey martin premise: martin wants to stay at kstate and get paid lots of money, but currie is an obstacle to that.
This is what makes me think frank is gone in the near future regardless of any agreement he and currie enter into at the end or during the season. And for the people that think “well, he would be gone anyways” while that may be true, we’ll never know if he would have stayed based upon some intangible things that he thought he had here (i.e. loyalty, a good relationship with the AD, a real committment, etc.) because our AD decided to throw some asinine number out there to begin with. It’s completely obvious that Frank wants more money for himself and his staff and has told people (who have then intern told reporters) as such. He himself just corrected a radio show host to say he’s the lowest paid coach in the big 12. To me, he’s gone, regardless of the new contract. The sad thing is we’ll never know if he would have stayed had our AD not been, allegedly, so obtuse.
I don't know why you think the "asinine number" that Currie initially offered Martin in a contract extension negotiation is going to prove to be a more important factor in Frank's eventual decision to leave than the huge number that some other team is going to offer him. THAT is what is going to make him leave (in addition to the fact that he'll undoubtedly be going to a more prestigous school, not a possible feeling of disrespect from the school at one point in a contract negotiation. But I guess it is, and will be, more fun to blame the school than to blame the man who will leave to take more money.
No offense, but you’re just as obtuse as Currie (allegedly) is. If you’re at a school that has inherent disadvantages to other schools, you don’t piss away the one advantage that your school has. IMO, your one advantage is that, by all accounts, Frank is a loyal guy, maybe to a fault. Now, that’s just my opinion, maybe that’s just what I want to believe, but that’s what I believe. You don’t come at a guy like that and disrespect him. I'm not saying that this will make him stay, but (a) it wouldn't hurt and (b) it doesn't cost anything more than what you were going to pay anyway.
I'm not saying that Currie shouldn't have started a little higher, like $1M. But my point is that you're being obtuse if you think that an initial offer in a contract negotiation is going to be a bigger factor in Frank's eventual decision to leave than the big number he's being offered. Yes, K-State should maximize the intangibles to foster loyalty. But don't pretend that those things carry more weight than money. But, again, no one wants to blame Martin for anything, either now or in the future. When he leaves to make a lot more money, fans now can blame the University who insulted him by offering him a raise and a contract extension while he was still under contract. And no one is blaming Martin now for demanding more money from the University even though he's under contract for 2 1/2 more years...a contract he negotiated and signed in good faith. I guess when a coach is winning, he can do no wrong.
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Who is Frank's agent? Anyone who represents anyone big timey?
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Frank shouldn't have considered any raise after last season an insult when he agreed to this deal just a year before:
http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=400&ATCLID=1440999
that's just when the deal was signed and announced. not when it was agreed to. nice try. :nono:
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My question for you Royal is what do you consider "a lot more money?"
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Frank shouldn't have considered any raise after last season an insult when he agreed to this deal just a year before:
http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=400&ATCLID=1440999
If he accomplished more than a magical NIT victory, he would maybe have a point.
I want to keep Frank, but I like michigancats take as well. Where is Kstate in all of this? Didn't we pledge a five year deal two years ago?
What happened to that plan? Oh, that's right...Frank is having a good year this year so I guess we crumple up that contract and make a new one so he doesn't bolt for greener pastures.
I agree 100%. That is why the timing of the offer is conveniently absent from all the leaks. Any offer of a raise prior to December 1 should not be insulting.
Frank shouldn't have considered any raise after last season an insult when he agreed to this deal just a year before:
http://www.kstatesports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=400&ATCLID=1440999
that's just when the deal was signed and announced. not when it was agreed to. nice try. :nono:
LOL
Who is Frank's agent? Anyone who represents anyone big timey?
Richard Katz. Represents Huggs.
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My question for you Royal is what do you consider "a lot more money?"
After another year of success, he'll likely have no difficulty getting $1.75M+ from a richer school, as well as more money from the TV show he'll have there, and a bigger shoe contract, etc.
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(http://blog.al.com/solomon/2009/04/medium_422salary.jpg)
Just for some reference.
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(http://blog.al.com/solomon/2009/04/medium_422salary.jpg)
Just for some reference.
Boeheim needs a new agent
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How does this make him more valuable than wins? If anything, knowing KSU has lowballed and insulted him will cause other schools to think they can get him on the cheap.
ok. how 'bout back to the original jeffrey martin premise: martin wants to stay at kstate and get paid lots of money, but currie is an obstacle to that.
This is what makes me think frank is gone in the near future regardless of any agreement he and currie enter into at the end or during the season. And for the people that think “well, he would be gone anyways” while that may be true, we’ll never know if he would have stayed based upon some intangible things that he thought he had here (i.e. loyalty, a good relationship with the AD, a real committment, etc.) because our AD decided to throw some asinine number out there to begin with. It’s completely obvious that Frank wants more money for himself and his staff and has told people (who have then intern told reporters) as such. He himself just corrected a radio show host to say he’s the lowest paid coach in the big 12. To me, he’s gone, regardless of the new contract. The sad thing is we’ll never know if he would have stayed had our AD not been, allegedly, so obtuse.
I don't know why you think the "asinine number" that Currie initially offered Martin in a contract extension negotiation is going to prove to be a more important factor in Frank's eventual decision to leave than the huge number that some other team is going to offer him. THAT is what is going to make him leave (in addition to the fact that he'll undoubtedly be going to a more prestigous school, not a possible feeling of disrespect from the school at one point in a contract negotiation. But I guess it is, and will be, more fun to blame the school than to blame the man who will leave to take more money.
No offense, but you’re just as obtuse as Currie (allegedly) is. If you’re at a school that has inherent disadvantages to other schools, you don’t piss away the one advantage that your school has. IMO, your one advantage is that, by all accounts, Frank is a loyal guy, maybe to a fault. Now, that’s just my opinion, maybe that’s just what I want to believe, but that’s what I believe. You don’t come at a guy like that and disrespect him. I'm not saying that this will make him stay, but (a) it wouldn't hurt and (b) it doesn't cost anything more than what you were going to pay anyway.
I'm not saying that Currie shouldn't have started a little higher, like $1M. But my point is that you're being obtuse if you think that an initial offer in a contract negotiation is going to be a bigger factor in Frank's eventual decision to leave than the big number he's being offered. Yes, K-State should maximize the intangibles to foster loyalty. But don't pretend that those things carry more weight than money. But, again, no one wants to blame Martin for anything, either now or in the future. When he leaves to make a lot more money, fans now can blame the University who insulted him by offering him a raise and a contract extension while he was still under contract. And no one is blaming Martin now for demanding more money from the University even though he's under contract for 2 1/2 more years...a contract he negotiated and signed in good faith. I guess when a coach is winning, he can do no wrong.
my problem is that, allegedly, we'll never know if this is true or not when it comes to Frank Martin. And if that's the case, then Currie is a jackass, imo becuase he failed to do his job correctly. His job isn't to keep Frank, it's to do everything in his power to try to make Frank stay. It's why Weiser was a jackass for the way he handled Huggins. I won't blame martin for wanting to leave if Currie did him as it's alleged. I'll blame currie, and imo, it would be warranted. After a short while of being pissed at Currie, I'll hate Frank, don't worry.
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Richard Katz. Represents Huggs.
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You and Katz go way back, can't you just shoot him and email and calm the waters for us?
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from 2 years ago:
Am I crazy in thinking that Richard Katz is behind this KC Star article just like he was behind the onslaught of media attention to the fact that Huggins was unsigned for a while? If you remember, Katz was quoted in the same fashion several times as it relates to contract negotiations for Huggins.
If Dick Katz can create a stir and an environment of panic by feeding this story to a major news outlet, isn't that him just doing a good job of negotiating through the media for his client? I wish Dick Katz was my attorney/agent.
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Katz you sly devil :love:
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my problem is that, allegedly, we'll never know if this is true or not when it comes to Frank Martin. And if that's the case, then Currie is a jackass, imo becuase he failed to do his job correctly. His job isn't to keep Frank, it's to do everything in his power to try to make Frank stay. It's why Weiser was a jackass for the way he handled Huggins. I won't blame martin for wanting to leave if Currie did him as it's alleged. I'll blame currie, and imo, it would be warranted. After a short while of being pissed at Currie, I'll hate Frank, don't worry.
Good, because when Frank leaves, it will be because somebody offered him a lot more money than K-State could afford to spend on him. Anything other explanation will just be wischasting or fan grudge-holding.
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Wow Daris . . . Frank must have a pretty high flying lifestyle.
He seems more normal to me . . . but hey you never know these days.
Going with Rusty . . . Frank signs new contract and new extension, has a magical 1 or 2 point NIT victory in Bramlage, then gets worked like a little b_tch out in San Diego . . . but suddenly K-State and Currie need to slobber all over him with a $2-3-400K pay increase and contract extenstion prior to the season even starting??
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1) what does "Wow Daris . . . Frank must have a pretty high flying lifestyle" mean? you've lost me.
2) there was nothing "new" about the contract dax. the contract rusty linked was his orginal contract that was probably agreed to a full year before it was signed and announced. it was retroactive a full year and expires after the 2011-2012 season. you're welcome.
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Did anyone really listen to the podcast? While its not like Frank was saying "I'm staying", he also didn't sound like a guy that was just ready to get out of here either.
Man this thing has gotten ridiculous, but its fun to see the fans fired up.
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Did anyone really listen to the podcast? While its not like Frank was saying "I'm staying", he also didn't sound like a guy that was just ready to get out of here either.
Man this thing has gotten ridiculous, but its fun to see the fans fired up.
yes i did. he corrected the radio guy a few sentences into his answer. so he did clarify he thinks he is the lowest paid coach in the league. but he also clarified that he thinks he has the administration and the fan's full support. also he doesn't do the job to make money. he does it because he loves doing it.
i think most of this has to do w making sure a practice facility is in the works and that his staff is taken care of (and that he isn't the lowest paid coach in the league).
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Frank has asked for a raise of $400,000 to be split between him and his assistants. That would probably put him over $1 million in pay, and Frank said he'd be happy with that. The rest would put Hill further ahead of all other assistants in college basketball, which I think is absolutely great given the talent Hill has brought here. Paying Hill more would also piss off ku, whose AD employees accost K-Staters on the offensiveness of paying Hill so much money.
Mr. Currie, pay Frank and his assistants the $400,000, and keep this coach and staff on board as K-Staters.
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Frank has asked for a raise of $400,000 to be split between him and his assistants. That would probably put him over $1 million in pay, and Frank said he'd be happy with that. The rest would put Hill further ahead of all other assistants in college basketball, which I think is absolutely great given the talent Hill has brought here. Paying Hill more would also piss off ku, whose AD employees accost K-Staters on the offensiveness of paying Hill so much money.
Mr. Currie, pay Frank and his assistants the $400,000, and keep this coach and staff on board as K-Staters.
JFC that is some inside info. WhyTF should we believe you, and what else do you know?
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I think the $40k offer was basically a COLA. Like i said in the other thread, it was before this season, after Curry came on board. I think Curry looked at the contract and said to himself that Frank needed a little bump, ingratiate himself with the guy a litte with an unrequested raise. I believe that is the most likely scenario until I see proof otherwise. It may have evolved into something more than that, and after all the fan uproar at this point it probably has no other choice but to become a full blown raise.
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(http://blog.al.com/solomon/2009/04/medium_422salary.jpg)
Just for some reference.
Duke released information a few months ago that K got 3.6something last season from the university.
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Daris, I don't recall saying or implying there was anything "new" about said contract.
In fact in and of itself the fact that it was retroactive has pretty much nothing to do with nothing.
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From KMG's website:
"We believe negotiation is not based solely on numbers set by previous teams and players. There is an intrinsic value to each individual athlete that must be determined. Our experience and skill allow us to calculate and capitalize on that value. We pride ourselves on attention to detail. There is no substitute for preparation, research, and planning."
How smart of them to negotiate using every possible resource...including America's Angriest Fans. From the way they are both handling the media, it's obvious Katz is ready and Frank is in a great position. I hope Currie is up to the challenge.
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From KMG's website:
"We believe negotiation is not based solely on numbers set by previous teams and players. There is an intrinsic value to each individual athlete that must be determined. Our experience and skill allow us to calculate and capitalize on that value. We pride ourselves on attention to detail. There is no substitute for preparation, research, and planning."
How smart of them to negotiate using every possible resource...including America's Angriest Fans. From the way they are both handling the media, it's obvious Katz is ready and Frank is in a great position. I hope Currie is up to the challenge.
You would think so, but....... :peek: <michigancat
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Daris, I don't recall saying or implying there was anything "new" about said contract.
In fact in and of itself the fact that it was retroactive has pretty much nothing to do with nothing.
you said "when frank signed his new contract and new extension." this implies that there was an "old" contract. there wasn't. it was the only contract. not like i care anymore. this thing is starting to sound like it could be getting fracked up beyond repair. still love you though. :gentlemanshandshake:
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Daris, I don't recall saying or implying there was anything "new" about said contract.
In fact in and of itself the fact that it was retroactive has pretty much nothing to do with nothing.
you said "when frank signed his new contract and new extension." this implies that there was an "old" contract. there wasn't. it was the only contract. not like i care anymore. this thing is starting to sound like it could be getting fracked up beyond repair. still love you though. :gentlemanshandshake:
Actually, in the goodman article it said they agreed to 4 year contracts initially. But whatev's.
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Daris, I don't recall saying or implying there was anything "new" about said contract.
In fact in and of itself the fact that it was retroactive has pretty much nothing to do with nothing.
you said "when frank signed his new contract and new extension." this implies that there was an "old" contract. there wasn't. it was the only contract. not like i care anymore. this thing is starting to sound like it could be getting fracked up beyond repair. still love you though. :gentlemanshandshake:
Actually, in the goodman article it said they agreed to 4 year contracts initially. But whatev's.
goodman??? pffft.
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Daris, I don't recall saying or implying there was anything "new" about said contract.
In fact in and of itself the fact that it was retroactive has pretty much nothing to do with nothing.
you said "when frank signed his new contract and new extension." this implies that there was an "old" contract. there wasn't. it was the only contract. not like i care anymore. this thing is starting to sound like it could be getting fracked up beyond repair. still love you though. :gentlemanshandshake:
Actually, in the goodman article it said they agreed to 4 year contracts initially. But whatev's.
goodman??? pffft.
Pretty sure Frank and goodsey lived in a basement together. Look it up.