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Did anyone catch the Phil Steele interview? It shed some light on the disparity of his evaluation of the talent of teams in the Big 12 North, and where he predicts them to finish. If I were to summarize, it would be:
1. The return of Bill Snyder was a "huge" element in his evaluation of Wildcat prospects.
2. K-State has some tough teams to play, but the ones they are competitive with are at home. He said that KSU only has three Big 12 true road games.
3. The level of talent at K-State is underappreciated, and Steele likes the way Snyder leavens younger players with JUCO transfers. By the time the team gets to conference play, they play as a team with more consistency and maturity.
4. ku is more talented and athletic than KSU, but they have very tough road games, and their South schedule is most unkind. Steele did not give ku much chance of winning their OU and Texas games, and thought going to Lubbock for the Texas Tech game (Tech is 47-10 in the last 10 years at home) was a very low probability win. ku has 5 Big 12 road games (if you include the Mizzou game at Camarohead Stadium).
5. Oklahoma State could be 11-0 when they play OU at the end of the season ( ! ). Their defense has improved that much, and thought Zac Robinson (who Snyder attempted to get him to commit to K-State) was an awesome quarterback.
6. I didn't track too well on this, but he thought Snyder would try to use the running game against teams geared towards defending the spread, and who have emphasized talent in the defensive backfield. That would mean KSU will have to have a good O-line. Don't know if that's true.
7. Steele also said that Colorado and Nebraska would emphasize the run game. I found it interesting that his 1 pick for the North would use the run game to win, as would the 2 picks (KSU and Colorado).
An intersting interview to be sure, but the guy sure knew his stuff.
Go 'Cats!
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I understand it was another session where Phil didn't win many friends in Tardville.
Can anyone recap??
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Only heard the KSU and forward information. Don't think he really mentioned anything new or earth shattering:
1 - Likes KSU's schedule alot.
2 - Thinks Bill does a good job with plug and play using the soft non-con as a way to get players adapted
3 - Had no idea who our QB will be (Petro thought that Carson had the #2 job wrapped up but that whoever the QB was going to be it was going to come from Daniel Thomas or Grant McNeck).
4 - KSU is wildcard in North, could be good, could be bad.
5 - Likes CU because they'll be able to run the ball and play some defense and has talent.
6 - Said that if you just went on QB, RB, WR alone that ku would be the favorite, but he looks at schedule, OL, DL, defense in general and special teams, that's why he likes NU. Pointed out that ku is ahead of KSU in his talent rankings but behind in conference finish because of the schedule.
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1. ku's defense will be much better than Steele thinks. ku just signed a Juco All-American at LB who had offers to Tennessee and Oklahoma, among others. Along with that, I've heard that guys like Quinton Woods, Prinz Kande, and Kevin Young have been tearing it up in summer workouts. D-end was a weakness on the team last season, but the ku coaches have done a great job addressing that position. ku has a ton of talent at d-tackle with Johnson, Blakesley, Greene, Parish, Stevens, and Dorsey.
2. Another area that was a problem for ku's defense last year was the secondary. ku's going with more of a 4-2-5 defense next year to fight the spread. Darrell Stuckey's a 1st-team All Big 12 type of player, and then you've got guys like Justin Thornton, Daymond Patterson, Phillip Strozier, Lubbock Smith, etc, who have all been developing nicely. Thornton will play in the NFL, and Patterson could be the next star cornerback at ku when all is said and done. He's Charles Gordon with more speed and quickness.
3. As far as the schedule goes, the only other decent team in the North plays ku at home (Nebraska). CU, KSU, ISU, and MU are all going to suck next year. K-State and Iowa State will both be beyond pathetic. Mizzou loses their entire team. Colorado loses their best WR and DT from last year and brings in nothing to replace their crap talent at QB. Hawkins is gone after next season.
4. ku's beatdown of K-State will be even worse than it was last season. 52-21 will look respectable compared to the absolute skull f*cking that ku will unleash on K-State. Mangino would love nothing more than to make Old Balls regret coming out of retirement, and you can bet that he won't hold back like he did for Prince last season. ku could have hung up 70+ on K-State last year, but Mangino had too much class to rub it in. Next year, Old Balls won't be so lucky.
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4. ku's beatdown of K-State will be even worse than it was last season. 52-21 will look respectable compared to the absolute skull f*cking that ku will unleash on K-State. Mangino would love nothing more than to make Old Balls regret coming out of retirement, and you can bet that he won't hold back like he did for Prince last season. ku could have hung up 70+ on K-State last year, but Mangino had too much class to rub it in. Next year, Old Balls won't be so lucky.
Great analysis as always bentard.
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My favorite thing about Phil Steele? His uncanny accuracy.
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Mangino and class... :hahano:
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5. and thought Zac Robinson (who Snyder attempted to get him to commit to K-State) was an awesome quarterback.
NewsFLASH. The little sumbitch was committed to us for months before bailing out on us after "I'm a man I'm 40." paid his parents. &@#%ing bullcrap. Little dicknose pulled a &@#%ing fast one on Snyder. &@#% Zac Robinson.
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5. and thought Zac Robinson (who Snyder attempted to get him to commit to K-State) was an awesome quarterback.
NewsFLASH. The little sumbitch was committed to us for months before bailing out on us after "I'm a man I'm 40." paid his parents. fracking bullcrap. Little dicknose pulled a fracking fast one on Snyder. frack Zac Robinson.
Sounds exactly like what K-State did with Josh Freeman.
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Thanks for the comments on what Phil Steele said.
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I wish we could get a uk fan talking basketball and a Husker fan talking about Nub football in the same thread. I think this thread has that kind of potential.
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1. ku's defense will be much better than Steele thinks. ku just signed a Juco All-American at LB who had offers to Tennessee and Oklahoma, among others. Along with that, I've heard that guys like Quinton Woods, Prinz Kande, and Kevin Young have been tearing it up in summer workouts. D-end was a weakness on the team last season, but the ku coaches have done a great job addressing that position. ku has a ton of talent at d-tackle with Johnson, Blakesley, Greene, Parish, Stevens, and Dorsey.
We kept hearing this crap last year with Crawford and look how that turned out.
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Crawford didn't have offers to Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Auburn coming out of Juco. Aside from that, we're talking about two different people. Each situation is independent.
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BMW is right on the Mark there. What is Mangino's record vs. Snyder, oh wait 4-13. Even when we were down in Snyder's last two years he managed to beat you guys. Tell you what, come on over and we'll let you shine our Big 12 North trophies since that is your team's goal this year. For a small price you can look at our Big 12 championsip trophy. You guys are funny over there in the east. You have one good season and a few 7-5's and maybe an 8-4 and now you are a contender. If you come to the game this year come by and we'll show you what a real tailgate is by the way: ku's tailgate: sportscoats, wine, veggie burgers, penny loafers, and chess. KSU's tailgates: EMAW clothing, natty light, beef, and washers. :kstatriot: :cheers:
The Ghost of Tom Jomes
"It's not unusual to be loved by anyone"
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Welcome back Tom and goodbye again Tom. Why do you keep doing that :lol:
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Crawford didn't have offers to Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Auburn coming out of Juco. Aside from that, we're talking about two different people. Each situation is independent.
You are dumb. Shut up.
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Frack Steele, 610 should get b-tard on. Tearing it up in summer drills, indeed. :lol: :lol:
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1. ku just signed a Juco All-American at LB who had offers to Tennessee and Oklahoma, among others. Along with that, I've heard that guys like Quinton Woods, Prinz Kande, and Kevin Young have been tearing it up in summer workouts.
If all the practice "stars" and all-american transfers had torn it up in games like we heard they were doing on the practice field, KSU would have had like a bazillion national championships. Pinning your hopes on guys who have yet to prove they can play at the D-1 level is a recipe for disappointment
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The denial on this board is staggering. Wouldn't have expected anything less, though. 12-1 BCS Orange Bowl and 52-21 in back-to-back seasons and you're still unable to accept reality.
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what do ku fans get more upset about: Phil Steele's accurate predictions or the "that just happened" sign at 84-75?
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Crawford didn't have offers to Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Auburn coming out of Juco. Aside from that, we're talking about two different people. Each situation is independent.
Auburn recruited him! LOLZ at you thinking this is a compliment. Elite talent goes to Georgia and Bama.. War Eagle GMAFB :lol: :loly: :bonk: :lolrun:
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Steele really has Tardville :mad:
I think Tardville U will score a lot of points, but nothing, and I mean nothing has convinced me that they have any coaching horsepower on the defensive side of the ball. I looked at Bowen trying to run their defense last year and he looked every bit as lost as Tim Tibesar at times.
Bill Young . . . not walking through that door over in Tardville.
Year over year 2007 to 2008 . . . ku dropped 77 positions in total defense, 78 positions in scoring defense. A couple of good players moving on DOES NOT cause a plummet of nearly 80 positions in the total defense and scoring defense ranks. That's caused by playing a much tougher schedule, and losing a good defensive coordinator.
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Steele really has Tardville :mad:
I think Tardville U will score a lot of points, but nothing, and I mean nothing has convinced me that they have any coaching horsepower on the defensive side of the ball. I looked at Bowen trying to run their defense last year and he looked every bit as lost as Tim Tibesar at times.
Bill Young . . . not walking through that door over in Tardville.
Year over year 2007 to 2008 . . . ku dropped 77 positions in total defense, 78 positions in scoring defense. A couple of good players moving on DOES NOT cause a plummet of nearly 80 positions in the total defense and scoring defense ranks. That's caused by playing a much tougher schedule, and losing a good average defensive coordinator.
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Steele really has Tardville :mad:
I think Tardville U will score a lot of points, but nothing, and I mean nothing has convinced me that they have any coaching horsepower on the defensive side of the ball. I looked at Bowen trying to run their defense last year and he looked every bit as lost as Tim Tibesar at times.
Bill Young . . . not walking through that door over in Tardville.
Year over year 2007 to 2008 . . . ku dropped 77 positions in total defense, 78 positions in scoring defense. A couple of good players moving on DOES NOT cause a plummet of nearly 80 positions in the total defense and scoring defense ranks. That's caused by playing a much tougher schedule, and losing a good defensive coordinator.
You're in such full blown denial when it comes to ku. Aqib Talib and James McClinton were the reason for the dropoff in '08, along with a tougher schedule. Bill Young leaving was pretty much irrelevant.
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1. ku's defense will be much better than Steele thinks. ku just signed a Juco All-American at LB who had offers to Tennessee and Oklahoma, among others. Along with that, I've heard that guys like Quinton Woods, Prinz Kande, and Kevin Young have been tearing it up in summer workouts. D-end was a weakness on the team last season, but the ku coaches have done a great job addressing that position. ku has a ton of talent at d-tackle with Johnson, Blakesley, Greene, Parish, Stevens, and Dorsey.
So basically you'r relying on a bunch of true freshman and late arriving juco kids to make your defense better? Kind of like how Bubba Brown was the answer to KSU's RB problems last year. You think you would have figured out by now in football if you're going to get better or surprise someone it almost always comes from guys already on the roster improving rather then from some hot shot newcomer who is "tearing it up in summer workouts".
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Two players don't account for a plummet of nearly 80 positions in defensive rankings, it's not denial, it's cold hard reality.
ku finished the regular season ranked 94th in total defense, and only improved a couple of spots because of the bowl game against a bad Minnesota team . . . that's a plummet of nearly 90 spots from ku's end of regular season rankings from the previous year (and the one really good offense that ku played in 2007 tore ku to shreds).
You are living in some sort of alternate reality if you want any of us to believe that 2 players made that kind of difference . . . Bowen, until further notice is not a good defensive coordinator.
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so, like, ku loses two players (with a tough schedule) and that caused 8-5? what happens this year since they they lost all 3 LB's and 3 interior OL? That's like 6 players or something (with the same tough schedule). for f*ck sake, let us know when you plan on replacing mcclinton and talib so we can mark ku down for 12 wins.
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1. ku's defense will be much better than Steele thinks. ku just signed a Juco All-American at LB who had offers to Tennessee and Oklahoma, among others. Along with that, I've heard that guys like Quinton Woods, Prinz Kande, and Kevin Young have been tearing it up in summer workouts. D-end was a weakness on the team last season, but the ku coaches have done a great job addressing that position. ku has a ton of talent at d-tackle with Johnson, Blakesley, Greene, Parish, Stevens, and Dorsey.
So basically you'r relying on a bunch of true freshman and late arriving juco kids to make your defense better? Kind of like how Bubba Brown was the answer to KSU's RB problems last year. You think you would have figured out by now in football if you're going to get better or surprise someone it almost always comes from guys already on the roster improving rather then from some hot shot newcomer who is "tearing it up in summer workouts".
Not at all. The defensive line will be improved with the addition of a few talented d-ends, though. Quinton Woods, the 6'6 4-star d-end who signed with Michigan out of high school is the real deal. Max Onyegbule has really been improving and adding muscle this off-season and should be a force next year as well. Jake Laptad had 7 sacks last season and will be a true junior next year. Kevin Young graduated at semester and will compete for immediate playing time next year... he'd be doing the same at Nebraska if it wasn't for a last-second change of heart.
The secondary returns everyone from last year (Stuckey, Thornton, Strozier, Patterson, Smith) and will be much improved. Word out of summer practices is that Prinz Kande will play right away, though. He's a 4-star prospect who started for his high school program all four years. Basically, ku's going to have a lot more athletes that will see the field next season, and a lot more quality depth in areas that were weaknesses last year. As a K-State fan, I'm sure that's not what you want to hear, given the 52-21 beatdown that occurred even with ku's issues on defense. With as explosive as ku's offense will be next year, having a defense that can shut people down could put ku in a position to win its first Big 12 title. Regardless, the ku/K-State game won't be close...
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Two players don't account for a plummet of nearly 80 positions in defensive rankings, it's not denial, it's cold hard reality.
ku finished the regular season ranked 94th in total defense, and only improved a couple of spots because of the bowl game against a bad Minnesota team . . . that's a plummet of nearly 90 spots from ku's end of regular season rankings from the previous year (and the one really good offense that ku played in 2007 tore ku to shreds).
You are living in some sort of alternate reality if you want any of us to believe that 2 players made that kind of difference . . . Bowen, until further notice is not a good defensive coordinator.
Like I said... Aqib Talib, James McClinton, and a tougher schedule. Deal with it.
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Okay . . . well we're all supposed to believe that Clint "Cheat and get a promotion" Bowen has suddenly become a good defensive coordinator.
Check . . . got it.
ku will once again play prolific offenses in ou and Texas, until further notice Tech just reloads on offense, I doubt at the end of the season mu will suck on offense.
McClinton, Talib and Bill Young . . . still not walking through that door.
The one good offense that ku played in 2007 with those 2 guys, scored 36 points, had 29 first downs, and 519 yards of total offense . . . but hey, losing those 2 guys was HUGE for 2008 . . HUGE.
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Two players don't account for a plummet of nearly 80 positions in defensive rankings, it's not denial, it's cold hard reality.
ku finished the regular season ranked 94th in total defense, and only improved a couple of spots because of the bowl game against a bad Minnesota team . . . that's a plummet of nearly 90 spots from ku's end of regular season rankings from the previous year (and the one really good offense that ku played in 2007 tore ku to shreds).
You are living in some sort of alternate reality if you want any of us to believe that 2 players made that kind of difference . . . Bowen, until further notice is not a good defensive coordinator.
Like I said... Aqib Talib, James McClinton, and a tougher schedule. Deal with it.
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Well I do agree with Beemer that ku's 2007 success was all about their soft schedule. Been saying this for a long time. Two Cents
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ku lost 6 solid starters from last year (3 OL, 3 LB), if the BMW equation from 07-08 (12 wins) to 08-09 (8 wins) is 2 wins per really good starter lost (loss of McClinton and Talib) , then ku should lose all 12 games this year.
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Okay . . . well we're all supposed to believe that Clint "Cheat and get a promotion" Bowen has suddenly become a good defensive coordinator.
Check . . . got it.
ku will once again play prolific offenses in ou and Texas, until further notice Tech just reloads on offense, I doubt at the end of the season mu will suck on offense.
McClinton, Talib and Bill Young . . . still not walking through that door.
Bowen's the co-defensive coordinator. ku brought in Bill Miller (who coached Ray Lewis at Miami) as the LB's coach and co-defensive coordinator. Miller has also coached under Nick Saban at Michigan State. Miller was also d-coordinator at Louisville, Oklahoma State, Arizona State, and Florida.
:rolleyes:
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OT: Do ku homers drink red Kool-aid or blue Kool-aid, or does the decision just make them :curse:...or does the fact that you mix both and it makes :koolaid: just makes them :angryMJ: ?
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In all fairness to my friends at ku, apparently Phil Steele really missed the boat on their 2007 season that ku fans are so proud of. That being said, didn't ku fans get their underwear in a bind over him picking them to finish 3rd in the North last year? And wasn't Steele dead-on in picking the North conference last year?
ku losing Bill Young was HUGE--OSU will really have an improved defense.
Go 'Cats!
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ku lost 6 solid starters from last year (3 OL, 3 LB), if the BMW equation from 07-08 (12 wins) to 08-09 (8 wins) is 2 wins per really good starter lost (loss of McClinton and Talib) , then ku should lose all 12 games this year.
Aqib Talib was a 1st team All-American for ku and a top 20 NFL Draft pick. James McClinton was Big 12 DPOY. Those guys were both way more than "solid." Aside from that, ku's LB's (specifically Rivera and Mortensen) battled injuries all of last season. Also, ku lost its three interior o-lineman entering the '07 season and finished 12-1.
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1. ku's defense will be much better than Steele thinks. ku just signed a Juco All-American at LB who had offers to Tennessee and Oklahoma, among others. Along with that, I've heard that guys like Quinton Woods, Prinz Kande, and Kevin Young have been tearing it up in summer workouts. D-end was a weakness on the team last season, but the ku coaches have done a great job addressing that position. ku has a ton of talent at d-tackle with Johnson, Blakesley, Greene, Parish, Stevens, and Dorsey.
2. Another area that was a problem for ku's defense last year was the secondary. ku's going with more of a 4-2-5 defense next year to fight the spread. Darrell Stuckey's a 1st-team All Big 12 type of player, and then you've got guys like Justin Thornton, Daymond Patterson, Phillip Strozier, Lubbock Smith, etc, who have all been developing nicely. Thornton will play in the NFL, and Patterson could be the next star cornerback at ku when all is said and done. He's Charles Gordon with more speed and quickness.
3. As far as the schedule goes, the only other decent team in the North plays ku at home (Nebraska). CU, KSU, ISU, and MU are all going to suck next year. K-State and Iowa State will both be beyond pathetic. Mizzou loses their entire team. Colorado loses their best WR and DT from last year and brings in nothing to replace their crap talent at QB. Hawkins is gone after next season.
4. ku's beatdown of K-State will be even worse than it was last season. 52-21 will look respectable compared to the absolute skull f*cking that ku will unleash on K-State. Mangino would love nothing more than to make Old Balls regret coming out of retirement, and you can bet that he won't hold back like he did for Prince last season. ku could have hung up 70+ on K-State last year, but Mangino had too much class to rub it in. Next year, Old Balls won't be so lucky.
Hey Loser.......one thing PS didn't factor in are injuries and that Little Midget of a QB at GayU is due to get blowin up some time this year........he's been lucky...in fact....the whole Damn team has been lucky w/ injuries....better hope your luck doesn't run out........................ :dancin:
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So what . . . Miller was last at Louisville as the DC and was forced to resign, they sucked on defense. 70th in Total Defense, and 88th in scoring defense.
I guess that was better than ku. :thumbsup:
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LOL @ blaming an entire defense on the coach. That's our 'Pad.... always seeking invalidation.
PS. '08 Rushing defense:
#28. Kansas
#112. K-State
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So the defensive genius of Clint Bowen and Bill Miller combined for an average total defensive rank of 79.5 and a scoring defense rank of 85 . . . no doubt Mike Leach, Bob Stoops and Mack Brown are scared to death looking at that coaching gauntlet.
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So the defensive genius of Clint Bowen and Bill Miller combined for an average total defensive rank of 79.5 and a scoring defense rank of 85 . . . no doubt Mike Leach, Bob Stoops and Mack Brown are scared to death looking at that coaching gauntlet.
Yes... those defenses had absolutely nothing to do with the players out on the field and everything to do with the coaches on the sidelines. You're a special kind of moron, 'Pad, but you're our special moron.
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Now, that's FUNNY.
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I looked at Bowen trying to run their defense last year and he looked every bit as lost as Tim Tibesar at times.
agree with you here dax. The D looked very poorly coached at times. I hope the new guy brings some of that intensity that the 07 D had.
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So the defensive genius of Clint Bowen and Bill Miller combined for an average total defensive rank of 79.5 and a scoring defense rank of 85 . . . no doubt Mike Leach, Bob Stoops and Mack Brown are scared to death looking at that coaching gauntlet.
Yes... those defenses had absolutely nothing to do with the players out on the field and everything to do with the coaches on the sidelines. You're a special kind of moron, 'Pad, but you're our special moron.
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No a special kind of dumbass tries to tell everyone that losing 2 players (in large part) causes a defense to plummet an average of 80 positions in the scoring and total defense, then tries to tell us a failed defensive coordinator from his previous job is going to make a huge difference in a defense that is going to rely on basically the same people (that plummeted 80 positions in the scoring and total defense ranks in the span of ONE Season) plus a transfer and thus propel that defense back to the sterling heights of years gone by.
It takes a special kind of dumbass to try and sell that . . . and sadly for that special kind of dumbass, the K-State BBS isn't buying it, and thus that special kind of dumbass is getting all :mad: :mad: :mad:
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ku lost 6 solid starters from last year (3 OL, 3 LB), if the BMW equation from 07-08 (12 wins) to 08-09 (8 wins) is 2 wins per really good starter lost (loss of McClinton and Talib) , then ku should lose all 12 games this year.
Aqib Talib was a 1st team All-American for ku and a top 20 NFL Draft pick. James McClinton was Big 12 DPOY. Those guys were both way more than "solid." Aside from that, ku's LB's (specifically Rivera and Mortensen) battled injuries all of last season. Also, ku lost its three interior o-lineman entering the '07 season and finished 12-1.
Who will be the All American and Big 12 DPOY this year for ku and did you have the same schedule in 07 as you did last year and will have this year? Also, in your equation, how do you account for injuries? Do you multiply the losses by .5?
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So the defensive genius of Clint Bowen and Bill Miller combined for an average total defensive rank of 79.5 and a scoring defense rank of 85 . . . no doubt Mike Leach, Bob Stoops and Mack Brown are scared to death looking at that coaching gauntlet.
Yes... those defenses had absolutely nothing to do with the players out on the field and everything to do with the coaches on the sidelines. You're a special kind of moron, 'Pad, but you're our special moron.
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Stop, this is one of the hardest ownings I have seen. Seriously, you are back pedaling hard...
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Highest total defense ranking in the Big 12 last year.... Texas at #51. But, but, but.... it has nothing to do with the fact that the Big 12 has a ton of talented offenses.
Let's see how the rest of the Big 12 stacked up:
55. Nebraska
68. Oklahoma
78. Colorado
79. Texas Tech
85. Baylor
89. Kansas
93. Oklahoma St.
98. Mizzou
112. Iowa St.
114. Texas A&M
117. K-State
**Louisville's ranking of 70 would have been good for 4th-best in the Big 12 last season. Oh, and that first year d-coordinator, Clint Bowen, was so awful that his defense finished higher than five other Big 12 programs. Looks like the 'Pad will have to dig a little deeper for his invalidation.
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Bill Young leaving was pretty much irrelevant.
come on BMdubb, you really do not believe this do you? I blame this on 85% of the D problems. They played out of position, tackled poorly and had ZERO intensity when hitting. Go to youtube and look at the hits from 2007 and 2008, most of those hits from 2007 were from guys on the 08 team. They just seemed to have no fire, I thought this as early as game 2.
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OT: Do ku homers drink red Kool-aid or blue Kool-aid, or does the decision just make them :curse:...or does the fact that you mix both and it makes :koolaid: just makes them :angryMJ: ?
We drink that blue koolaid that tastes like cherry's.
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Hey Loser.......one thing PS didn't factor in are injuries and that Little Midget of a QB at GayU is due to get blowin up some time this year........he's been lucky...in fact....the whole Damn team has been lucky w/ injuries....better hope your luck doesn't run out........................ :dancin:
apparently you didn't watch many ku games last year.
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Who will be the All American and Big 12 DPOY this year for ku and did you have the same schedule in 07 as you did last year and will have this year? Also, in your equation, how do you account for injuries? Do you multiply the losses by .5?
Stuckey.
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Or it may have to do with the fact that the Big 12 just didn't play very good defense. ou lost their bowl game again, Texas barely survived their bowl game against a hardly prolific Ohio State offense, Tech gave up 47 points to Mississippi, Oregon put up 42 against Okie Lite, MU didn't exactly shut down Northwestern . . . I am sensing a trend here Bentard, you see any trends there??
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Or it may have to do with the fact that the Big 12 just didn't play very good defense. ou lost their bowl game again, Texas barely survived their bowl game against a hardly prolific Ohio State offense, Tech gave up 47 points to Mississippi, Oregon put up 42 against Okie Lite, MU didn't exactly shut down Northwestern . . . I am sensing a trend here Bentard, you see any trends there??
LOL, but to hear the nubs say it they will finish with a top 5 D in the Nation this year.
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Who will be the All American and Big 12 DPOY this year for ku and did you have the same schedule in 07 as you did last year and will have this year? Also, in your equation, how do you account for injuries? Do you multiply the losses by .5?
Stuckey.
Is Stuckey the All American or the DPOY? Regardless, you need another player. If he's both I think that only lessens the loss total by 2 (I think, IDK, you'll have to ask Beems).
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So the defensive genius of Clint Bowen and Bill Miller combined for an average total defensive rank of 79.5 and a scoring defense rank of 85 . . . no doubt Mike Leach, Bob Stoops and Mack Brown are scared to death looking at that coaching gauntlet.
Yes... those defenses had absolutely nothing to do with the players out on the field and everything to do with the coaches on the sidelines. You're a special kind of moron, 'Pad, but you're our special moron.
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No a special kind of dumbass tries to tell everyone that losing 2 players (in large part) causes a defense to plummet an average of 80 positions in the scoring and total defense, then tries to tell us a failed defensive coordinator from his previous job is going to make a huge difference in a defense that is going to rely on basically the same people (that plummeted 80 positions in the scoring and total defense ranks in the span of ONE Season) plus a transfer and thus propel that defense back to the sterling heights of years gone by.
It takes a special kind of dumbass to try and sell that . . . and sadly for that special kind of dumbass, the K-State BBS isn't buying it, and thus that special kind of dumbass is getting all :mad: :mad: :mad:
Oh, it's quite obvious who's getting :curse: , and it's not me. I've acknowledged that the tougher schedule, along with the fact that the Big 12 has a ton of talented offenses, was a big factor in ku's dropoff defensively in '08. Mangino agrees with me when it comes to Talib and McClinton, though:
Mangino: Loss of Talib is No. 1 problem
(http://media.lawrence.com/img/croppedphotos/2007/12/24/Talib_sports_front_t650.jpg)
Since it became apparent that this year’s version of the Kansas University football defense would be significantly less stout than it was a season ago, debates about who has been the most sorely missed member of last year’s unit — defensive coordinator Bill Young? Cornerback Aqib Talib? Defensive tackle James McClinton? — have been numerous.
Earlier this week, however, the man best suited to answer that question decided to offer his opinion on the matter.
“The biggest issue for us is that we were able to have a corner last year that we could put on an island and therefore help the other corner, which solidified our pass defense,” said Kansas coach Mark Mangino of former All-American Talib, who was taken 20th overall by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in last spring’s NFL Draft. “And we’re not able to do that this year. And that’s the No. 1 problem.”
The shortcomings of a Kansas defense that returned nine starters this fall have been well documented — the Jayhawks are ranked 90th in total defense and 86th in scoring defense after finishing 12th and fourth, respectively, in those categories in 2007 — but on Monday, Mangino delved into specifics of what the team is lacking this year in comparison to last.
In addition to the loss of Talib, the coach pointed to a lack of an effective pass rush, which was aided last year by the presence of McClinton, another All-American.
“We’re not as disruptive on the defensive line as we were a year ago,” he said. “And that’s probably the next biggest issue that we face.”
The departure of Young, who took the same position with the University of Miami following the ’07 season and currently has the Hurricanes in the top 10 nationally in total defense, was also broached.
While Mangino praised the work of Young during his six years in Lawrence, he put little stock in the idea that the loss of Young — or the subsequent promotion of Clint Bowen to defensive coordinator — has been a substantial hindrance to the Jayhawks this season.
“I don’t think that that’s the key reason,” Mangino said. “Bill did a great job for us. There were times, don’t forget, where we struggled early on on defense, and Bill stayed with it and got it right. Sure, Bill’s a veteran coach, but I don’t see that as a major issue.”
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Who will be the All American and Big 12 DPOY this year for ku and did you have the same schedule in 07 as you did last year and will have this year? Also, in your equation, how do you account for injuries? Do you multiply the losses by .5?
Stuckey.
Is Stuckey the All American or the DPOY? Regardless, you need another player. If he's both I think that only lessens the loss total by 2 (I think, IDK, you'll have to ask Beems).
Sorry, figured he would be both.
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"I don’t think that that’s the key reason,” Mangino said. “Bill did a great job for us. There were times, don’t forget, where we struggled early on on defense, and Bill stayed with it and got it right. Sure, Bill’s a veteran coach, but I don’t see that as a major issue.”
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We also had a DL that could get to the QB. Also making it easier on the LB's and DB's.
Also look at how many games the D won for us in 07. How many did they win for us in 08? Hell they couldn't even stop moo with 30 seconds left, thank goodness for that blocked FG or this would have been a miserable off season.
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jayhawks...
In addition to the loss of Talib, the coach pointed to a lack of an effective pass rush, which was aided last year by the presence of McClinton, another All-American.
:rolleyes:
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jayhawks...
In addition to the loss of Talib, the coach pointed to a lack of an effective pass rush, which was aided last year by the presence of McClinton, another All-American.
:rolleyes:
That's fine,exactly what i've been saying, but i'm also saying that losing Bill was bigger than losing McClinton and Talib. And it showed on the field last year. The D wasn't horrible, but it was not very good either and it was the small things, ie. being out of position and poor tackling that shows a lack of coaching. Hell the chiefs tackled better last year. Don't flame on me with your big @ss bold words, i usually defend you, but here you are not making much sense to anyone that watched football prior to 2007.
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It's called a coach trying to CYA a clueless defensive staff.
Wow, look at what real defenses did to the Big 12. OU held to 14 points, nearly 40 below their average by Florida, Texas held to 22 below their average by Ohio State, Tech held to 14 below their average by Mississippi, Okie LIte held to 9 below their average by frankly . . . not a very good defensive team in Oregon, Missouri held to 12 below their average by an okay Northwestern Defense.
I think the way the bowl season played out, we can reasonably conclude that the Big 12 was pretty much overrated.
But hey, the coaching masterminds of Bill Miller and Clint "Cheat and get a Promotion" Bowen are going to take the same crew plus a couple of newbies and propel them to incredible heights of defensive awesomeness at ku this year.
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OT: Do ku homers drink red Kool-aid or blue Kool-aid, or does the decision just make them :curse:...or does the fact that you mix both and it makes :koolaid: just makes them :angryMJ: ?
We drink that blue koolaid that tastes like cherry's.
Who is this Cherry girl, and why are you drinking her kool-aid? Better make sure that Sparkles hasn't tasted it first...
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OT: Do ku homers drink red Kool-aid or blue Kool-aid, or does the decision just make them :curse:...or does the fact that you mix both and it makes :koolaid: just makes them :angryMJ: ?
We drink that blue koolaid that tastes like cherry's.
Thank you, j@yh@wks. I appreciate your cooperation. I consider my question answered and am satisfied with the quality of your answer. This issue is resolved. :thumbsup:
Who is this Cherry girl, and why are you drinking her kool-aid? Better make sure that Sparkles hasn't tasted it first...
:tongue: This 'Tang tastes like blue Kool-aid. :fatty:
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bmw might be the biggest homer that ever homered.
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I am blaming 2004 on the loss of Ell Roberson and 2005 on the loss Nick Leckey.
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It's called a coach trying to CYA a clueless defensive staff.
Wow, look at what real defenses did to the Big 12. OU held to 14 points, nearly 40 below their average by Florida, Texas held to 22 below their average by Ohio State, Tech held to 14 below their average by Mississippi, Okie LIte held to 9 below their average by frankly . . . not a very good defensive team in Oregon, Missouri held to 12 below their average by an okay Northwestern Defense.
I think the way the bowl season played out, we can reasonably conclude that the Big 12 was pretty much overrated.
But hey, the coaching masterminds of Bill Miller and Clint "Cheat and get a Promotion" Bowen are going to take the same crew plus a couple of newbies and propel them to incredible heights of defensive awesomeness at ku this year.
I do not think the B12 was grossly overated. We have bad D's so of course the teams with better D's are going to hold the B12 teams below their averages. 4-3 in bowls so that's not bad. OU was an embarrassment though. I do think the D will be better this year because of better talent and I think the fact the Clint is now a co- again, Mangino noticed the poor coaching and is trying to get it fixed. I would say ku finishes between 30 and 50 in Overall D next year. Good enough for at least 2-3 more wins.
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I am blaming 2004 on the loss of Ell Roberson and 2005 on the loss Nick Leckey.
Lol.
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Posted by: j@yh@wks
I do not think the B12 was grossly overated. We have bad D's so of course the teams with better D's are going to hold the B12 teams below their averages. 4-3 in bowls so that's not bad. OU was an embarrassment though. I do think the D will be better this year because of better talent and I think the fact the Clint is now a co- again, Mangino noticed the poor coaching and is trying to get it fixed. I would say ku finishes between 30 and 50 in Overall D next year. Good enough for at least 2-3 more wins.
Reasonable enough . . . but the Big 12 North winner has at least 2 losses, and the Big 12 North drought of losing the CCG continues . . . sorry kids.
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Posted by: j@yh@wks
I do not think the B12 was grossly overated. We have bad D's so of course the teams with better D's are going to hold the B12 teams below their averages. 4-3 in bowls so that's not bad. OU was an embarrassment though. I do think the D will be better this year because of better talent and I think the fact the Clint is now a co- again, Mangino noticed the poor coaching and is trying to get it fixed. I would say ku finishes between 30 and 50 in Overall D next year. Good enough for at least 2-3 more wins.
Reasonable enough . . . but the Big 12 North winner has at least 2 losses, and the Big 12 North drought of losing the CCG continues . . . sorry kids.
hard to argue that.
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I am blaming 2004 on the loss of Ell Roberson and 2005 on the loss Nick Leckey.
I blame the 03 season for the loss of Terrance newman and tank reese and terry pierce.
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I am blaming 2004 on the loss of Ell Roberson and 2005 on the loss Nick Leckey.
I blame the 03 season for the loss of Terrance newman and tank reese and terry pierce.
I blame the 1995 loss to Colorado on Chad May.
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jayhawks...
In addition to the loss of Talib, the coach pointed to a lack of an effective pass rush, which was aided last year by the presence of McClinton, another All-American.
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That's fine,exactly what i've been saying, but i'm also saying that losing Bill was bigger than losing McClinton and Talib. And it showed on the field last year. The D wasn't horrible, but it was not very good either and it was the small things, ie. being out of position and poor tackling that shows a lack of coaching. Hell the chiefs tackled better last year. Don't flame on me with your big @ss bold words, i usually defend you, but here you are not making much sense to anyone that watched football prior to 2007.
Then you disagree with Coach Mangino and the rest of the people who know what they're talking about when it comes to the game of football. Bill Young had some sh*tty defenses at ku... the difference between his sh*tty defenses and the '07 defense was players such as Aqib Talib and James McClinton. Next season, with added depth in the secondary and on the d-line, ku's defense will be much improved. You can take it to the bank.
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You have to enjoy the simple nature of the Bentard . . . always taking things so literal.
What was Mangino going to say?:
On Bowen: I made a really $hitty choice on replacing Bill Young.
On losing Bill Young: We're going to suck big time, Bill Young was everything to this program, in fact he should be sitting here in my large chair.
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Just give it up, 'Pad. You are wrong once again. Time to throw in the power towel.
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Posted by: j@yh@wks
I do not think the B12 was grossly overated. We have bad D's so of course the teams with better D's are going to hold the B12 teams below their averages. 4-3 in bowls so that's not bad. OU was an embarrassment though. I do think the D will be better this year because of better talent and I think the fact the Clint is now a co- again, Mangino noticed the poor coaching and is trying to get it fixed. I would say ku finishes between 30 and 50 in Overall D next year. Good enough for at least 2-3 more wins.
Reasonable enough . . . but the Big 12 North winner has at least 2 losses, and the Big 12 North drought of losing the CCG continues . . . sorry kids.
Wow, you're really going out on a limb there, 'Pad. One thing's for sure... K-State won't be representing the North in the CCG.
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Then you disagree with Coach Mangino and the rest of the people who know what they're talking about when it comes to the game of football.
Actually this is how much coach Mangino and I agree. Looks like the rest of us people do know what we're talking about when it comes to the game of football. http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=9651941 (http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=9651941)
Bill Young had some sh*tty defenses at ku... the difference between his sh*tty defenses and the '07 defense was players such as Aqib Talib and James McClinton.
The 07 D wasn't even as good as the 05 D and there were NO AA's on that D and McClinton was a SO.
Next season, with added depth in the secondary and on the d-line, ku's defense will be much improved. You can take it to the bank.
we have agreed on this a few times now, don't forget to add and a new D-cordinator, not realy co as he will probably have more say than clint.
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Posted by: j@yh@wks
I do not think the B12 was grossly overated. We have bad D's so of course the teams with better D's are going to hold the B12 teams below their averages. 4-3 in bowls so that's not bad. OU was an embarrassment though. I do think the D will be better this year because of better talent and I think the fact the Clint is now a co- again, Mangino noticed the poor coaching and is trying to get it fixed. I would say ku finishes between 30 and 50 in Overall D next year. Good enough for at least 2-3 more wins.
Reasonable enough . . . but the Big 12 North winner has at least 2 losses, and the Big 12 North drought of losing the CCG continues . . . sorry kids.
Wow, you're really going out on a limb there, 'Pad. One thing's for sure... K-State won't be representing the North in the CCG.
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"Win the north" :lol:
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Why should I throw in the towel for a guy who blames a nearly 90 position drop in defensive rankings on the loss of 2 guys . . . how can anyone with a clue not just sit back and admire and stand in awe of the absolute dumbass logic behind that??
The same guy who thinks that coach talk to the media is reality . . . again, what else was he going to say Bentard?? That's the EXACT same thing every other coach would say about the exact same situation, "we lost a couple of guys who really helped us" . . . "you know he did some great things, he stuck with it, but we'll be just fine".
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Posted by: j@yh@wks
I do not think the B12 was grossly overated. We have bad D's so of course the teams with better D's are going to hold the B12 teams below their averages. 4-3 in bowls so that's not bad. OU was an embarrassment though. I do think the D will be better this year because of better talent and I think the fact the Clint is now a co- again, Mangino noticed the poor coaching and is trying to get it fixed. I would say ku finishes between 30 and 50 in Overall D next year. Good enough for at least 2-3 more wins.
Reasonable enough . . . but the Big 12 North winner has at least 2 losses, and the Big 12 North drought of losing the CCG continues . . . sorry kids.
Wow, you're really going out on a limb there, 'Pad. One thing's for sure... K-State won't be representing the North in the CCG.
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"Win the north" :lol:
Nothing wrong with that Goal. Should be the Main goal of every North school. No B12C without it. LFBBGTWACIQ displayed there.
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Why should I throw in the towel for a guy who blames a nearly 90 position drop in defensive rankings on the loss of 2 guys . . . how can anyone with a clue not just sit back and admire and stand in awe of the absolute dumbass logic behind that??
The same guy who thinks that coach talk to the media is reality . . . again, what else was he going to say Bentard?? That's the EXACT same thing every other coach would say about the exact same situation, "we lost a couple of guys who really helped us" . . . "you know he did some great things, he stuck with it, but we'll be just fine".
Kinda like how osborne spoke about callahan. Never called him the biggest douche in the world to the LJS.
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Why should I throw in the towel for a guy who blames a nearly 90 position drop in defensive rankings on the loss of 2 guys . . . how can anyone with a clue not just sit back and admire and stand in awe of the absolute dumbass logic behind that??
The same guy who thinks that coach talk to the media is reality . . . again, what else was he going to say Bentard?? That's the EXACT same thing every other coach would say about the exact same situation, "we lost a couple of guys who really helped us" . . . "you know he did some great things, he stuck with it, but we'll be just fine".
Kinda like how osborne spoke about callahan. Never called him the biggest douche in the world to the LJS.
Exactly . . . . like OB saying RP was a fine man to media, when everyone NOW knows he was an insecure A-Hole who verbally and mentally abused people and everyone who worked inside Vanier hated the guy.
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Why should I throw in the towel for a guy who blames a nearly 90 position drop in defensive rankings on the loss of 2 guys . . . how can anyone with a clue not just sit back and admire and stand in awe of the absolute dumbass logic behind that??
The same guy who thinks that coach talk to the media is reality . . . again, what else was he going to say Bentard?? That's the EXACT same thing every other coach would say about the exact same situation, "we lost a couple of guys who really helped us" . . . "you know he did some great things, he stuck with it, but we'll be just fine".
LOL... the full blown denial just keeps getting worse. You are truly one of a kind, 'Pad. Like they say, when the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. Mangino didn't have to say anything... he wasn't forced to say that Aqib Talib and James McClinton were the two main reasons for the defensive dropoff in '08. Also, it's not like those two were just average football players... Talib was a 1st team AA, top 20 NFL Draft pick. James McClinton was Big 12 Defensive POY. Like Mangino said, it really helps when you have a guy who can shut down half of the football field, or a guy that can get in and disrupt the o-line right off the snap. Case in point... Chris Harris was the '07 Big 12 Newcomer of the Year playing opposite of Talib. In '08, Harris was relegated to backup free safety. The difference? Harris didn't benefit from playing opposite of Talib, and was exposed once he had to take on more responsiblity. Aside from that, I acknowledged that the tougher schedule in '08 was a factor, which you convienently forget to mention.
You can continue the denial all you want, 'Pad. It just makes you look even more insane than you already are. I'm sure your cult following is impressed by your tenacity, though. I'm sure when ku's offense drops off in '10, you'll blame Ed Warriner instead of the loss of Reesing, Meier, etc.
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Then you disagree with Coach Mangino and the rest of the people who know what they're talking about when it comes to the game of football.
Actually this is how much coach Mangino and I agree. Looks like the rest of us people do know what we're talking about when it comes to the game of football. http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=9651941 (http://www.kwch.com/Global/story.asp?S=9651941)
Bill Young had some sh*tty defenses at ku... the difference between his sh*tty defenses and the '07 defense was players such as Aqib Talib and James McClinton.
The 07 D wasn't even as good as the 05 D and there were NO AA's on that D and McClinton was a SO.
Next season, with added depth in the secondary and on the d-line, ku's defense will be much improved. You can take it to the bank.
we have agreed on this a few times now, don't forget to add and a new D-cordinator, not realy co as he will probably have more say than clint.
1. That article proved absolutely nothing. Thanks for the waste of time.
2. The '05 defense was better against the run, but not as good overall. Charlton Keith and Charles Gordon were very good players in their own right. It would have been nice to have either one of them on the team last season.
3. Clint Bowen was co-defensive coordinator in '07 and called a lot of the plays, especially on 3rd down situations. You are simply wrong when it comes to your criticism of Bowen.
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Mangino didn't have to say anything... he wasn't forced to say that Aqib Talib and James McClinton were the two main reasons for the defensive dropoff in '08.
He was forced to say that. Mainly because of how obviously poor the D was at the basics, ie: being in position and tackling. It was either say that or say "Clint just is not doing a good job of coaching the basics."
Obviously losing Talib and McClinton hurt the D but not by 77 spots in overall D. I could see a drop to the 40's or 50's, but 89? We only lost 3 guys from the 07 D didn't we?
Here is a newspaper clip from 2007 that makes me feel all warm inside and maybe it will help you out.
COPYRIGHT 2007 The Wichita Eagle
Byline: Rick Plumlee
Aug. 28--LAWRENCE -- Seventeen players on Kansas' two-deep depth chart have never taken a Division I-A snap.
ku will be fine and the D will be improved because of experience, better talent, and better coaching.
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Yet the facts say that when ku played a good team that had a prolific "non traditional" offense they absolutely ate ku's lunch . . . 41 of 50 passing (82%) for 368 yards (no INT's, and just 2 sacks on 50 passing attempts), 29 1st downs, 519 yards of total offense and 39 points. So much for "shut down" corner on that one. In another thread, I discussed how Talib primarily shined against more traditional style passing attacks . . . against a "non traditional" style like mu . . . Talib and the rest of the ku defense got eaten alive.
No where am I saying that losing 2 good players doesn't hurt, but that's doesn't account for a drop off of 80 positions on the defensive charts and no amount of Bentard logic is going to change that reality, ku's defensive woes went way beyond losing a couple of guys.
Plus, debating coach speak is absurd . . . Mangino said exactly what any coach is going to say, he's the one that has to defend his hiring decisions, and defend losing a coach of the quality of Bill Young, so he's going to put the best possible spin on it.
Like cire said, (I can admit early and often when K-State sucks and when K-State screws the pooch) . . . you take homer to a whole new level, hell, you swallow coach speak hook-line-leader and sinker. Then you get all :mad: because the K-State BBS, and even one of your fellow squawktards disagrees with you.
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Jesus Christ, 'Pad. For the last time, I acknowledged that the tougher schedule was also a factor. You just don't like it when reality differs from what you want to believe. It's quite sad watching you get all :curse: over something so trivial. If you wanna talk homers, look no further than Terry Pierce. The man insisted that ku and K-State were equal in talent, despite the 52-21 ass beating. Now that's homerism. Aside from that, several other preseason mags include ku in their top 25 and the favorite to win the North. Lindy's ranks ku's WR group #4 in the country. They rank ku's QB's #6 in the country. Yes... I'm a huge homer for thinking that additional talent at d-end and in the secondary will help improve ku's defense. I'm a huge homer for agreeing with Coach Mangino that Talib and McClinton were the two most important factors to the defense's drop-off in '08.
The bottom line is that you can't stand the thought of ku football continuing its success at a high level. You have been in all out PMS mode for the last several years now, 'Pad. Get a grip, man. You had to realize that at some point ku would start dominating K-State again, just like we did for the better part of a century. Your cult following, along with other miscellaneous dumbasses will all agree with you, because they have no other choice... they're not smart enough to think for themselves. However, 52-21 was a great indication of the direction that both programs are going. Enjoy fighting for 5th place in the North with Iowa State.
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1. That article proved absolutely nothing. Thanks for the waste of time.
Actually it proves that Mangino needed someone to help Clint out because he needed help bad. Otherwise Clint would be the only DC this year again.
2. The '05 defense was better against the run, but not as good overall. Charlton Keith and Charles Gordon were very good players in their own right. It would have been nice to have either one of them on the team last season.
The 05 team finished 11th in OVERALL D, the 07 team finished 12th in OVERALL D. Seems better to me. :dunno:
3. Clint Bowen was co-defensive coordinator in '07 and called a lot of the plays, especially on 3rd down situations. You are simply wrong when it comes to your criticism of Bowen.
Wow, so when clint took over full time they fell all the way from 9th to 70th in 3rd down percentage D. He sucks more than i thought. And don't forget that Young had the hammer to overrule Clint on any call he made, and did so in important situations, according to my sources. I'm not a fan of Clint's if you can't tell and I'm a little irritated that he is the DC after his involvement with the latest rounds of probation.
"A letter of admonishment has been issued to assistant football coach Clint Bowen for his involvement with the correspondence courses."
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1. The ku coaching staff was looking for someone to replace Steve Tovar as LB's coach.
2. The '07 defense was better when you consider that it had two All-Americans and finished with a 12-1 record.
3. So you admit that your dislike for Bowen is personal, and has nothing to do with his coaching ability. Thanks for completely invalidating yourself.
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Jesus Christ, 'Pad. For the last time, I acknowledged that the tougher schedule was also a factor. You just don't like it when reality differs from what you want to believe. It's quite sad watching you get all :curse: over something so trivial. If you wanna talk homers, look no further than Terry Pierce. The man insisted that ku and K-State were equal in talent, despite the 52-21 ass beating. Now that's homerism. Aside from that, several other preseason mags include ku in their top 25 and the favorite to win the North. Lindy's ranks ku's WR group #4 in the country. They rank ku's QB's #6 in the country. Yes... I'm a huge homer for thinking that additional talent at d-end and in the secondary will help improve ku's defense. I'm a huge homer for agreeing with Coach Mangino that Talib and McClinton were the two most important factors to the defense's drop-off in '08.
Everyone knows that. Where are they putting the D on those lists. I know stuckey is high on the lists but what about the rest of the side of the ball that wins the close games. I bet you agreed with Mangino, and obviously never saw a game before 2007, I am sure of it now, when he shut down Sharp in the OU game. Here is what you are missing, he said that because it ;
1. Provides some "STUD" points to Talib and McClinton for their future after ku
2. You CANNOT complain about the piss poor coaching by a current coach.
After Clint leaves and Mangino gets caught saying "I should have made a better decision about the DC job after Young left" what will you say. Probably quote it and say "See I told you all a long that Young leaving was the biggest factor to the huge drop in D after the 07 season". Probably put it all out there in 36pt bold font too.
I love having Mangino as coach but he is not a D coach and neither is Clint. Mangino agreed and hired a person with proven coaching ability and made him the Co-D. Mangino kicked Clint in the crotch as nicely as can be done. I wouldn't mind seeing Clint coaching the reserve DB's as his full time job. I wouldn't be surprised to see Clint leave after 09 for "other personal pursuits".
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LOL . . . I am not in PMS mode, I do what I do because I know it will have Tardville (particularly you) over here and all :mad:.
But you're a classic tard . . . one minute you're getting all :mad: because we don't kiss ku's a$$ 24/7/365, particularly the fluke 2007 ku teams a$$ . . . yet you pretty much admit when trying to defend your idiot 2008 ku defense logic, that it was the schedule that helped out that 2007 team tremendously. jayhawks is spot on when he says that the loss of 2 players and the much tougher schedule should have only accounted for ku slipping back into the mid 50's on defense at worst . . . instead of one of the biggest year over year dropoffs I and frankly anyone who pays attention has ever seen. Which points to much deeper problems.
As I said, I can't even discuss the coach speak deal with you anymore, because you've absolutely drunk all the kool-aid there is to be drunk, how can you discuss that with a dumbass who actually believes that a coaches comments on things of that nature are anything BUT of the most self serving kind??
And LOL again, because as per usual you always start to backpedal and tell me I am PMS'ing whenever the cold hard reality of the facts finally permeates that thick Australopithecine skull of yours.
Oh, you're problem with Terry Pierce is your problem . . . I don't recall stating anything about agreeing with everything that Terry Pierce says . . . but it is funny seeing you get all :mad: about it . . . as per usual.
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either way, i can't wait for this thread to be bumped in about 5 months.
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1. The ku coaching staff was looking for someone to replace Steve Tovar as LB's coach.
LoL. I love when coaches leave to "pursue other personal interests."
2. The '07 defense was better when you consider that it had two All-Americans and finished with a 12-1 record.
I believe the O played a pretty big part in the 12-1 record. Maybe you should check out the record of the 05 team and the O that played that year.
3. So you admit that your dislike for Bowen is personal, and has nothing to do with his coaching ability. Thanks for completely invalidating yourself.
Actually my dislike of him is from the bad defensive coaching I saw last year. The rest is just irritation about his bad coaching. If he was a good DC I wouldn't care about his involvement. I do like how you are proving to me that you never watched a game before 07 though.
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particularly the fluke 2007 ku teams a$$
Damnit dax it wasn't a fluke, it was a very good team with a very easy schedule.
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He was way off in 07 and here's to ku proving he is way off this year.
I would like to apologize to BMW though. If you are only 2 years old so couldn't see a game before 07 I am truly sorry. Your vocabulary is way above average for your age though, you should probably skip Preschool and go straight to the big Uno. School lunches and recess, yeah.
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every team has more "depth" and "that one guy that had late offers from michigan and oklahoma"
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every team has more "depth" and "that one guy that had late offers from michigan and oklahoma"
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QFT . . .
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1. The ku coaching staff was looking for someone to replace Steve Tovar as LB's coach.
LoL. I love when coaches leave to "pursue other personal interests."
2. The '07 defense was better when you consider that it had two All-Americans and finished with a 12-1 record.
I believe the O played a pretty big part in the 12-1 record. Maybe you should check out the record of the 05 team and the O that played that year.
3. So you admit that your dislike for Bowen is personal, and has nothing to do with his coaching ability. Thanks for completely invalidating yourself.
Actually my dislike of him is from the bad defensive coaching I saw last year. The rest is just irritation about his bad coaching. If he was a good DC I wouldn't care about his involvement. I do like how you are proving to me that you never watched a game before 07 though.
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I've been attending ku football games since I was a little kid... back when Glen Mason was coach and there might have been 20,000 people in the stands for a home game against UAB. Perhaps you could provide an example of Bowen's "bad coaching." His system was the exact same as Bill Young's. Also, Bowen's adjustments at the end of the year seemed to really improve the defense. For example, switching Justin Thornton to cornerback and bringing James Holt off of the weakside d-end position on occasion. You can blame Bowen all you want, but he wasn't the main reason for the drop-off in '08.
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every team has more "depth" and "that one guy that had late offers from michigan and oklahoma"
:rolleyes:
Bullsh*t. Your program is a perfect example of very little depth and very little talent on either side of the ball. Your QB situation is laughable, by the way.
:lol:
that's awesome bmw. keep thinking ku is the only program adding players and trying to get better.
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1. The ku coaching staff was looking for someone to replace Steve Tovar as LB's coach.
2. The '07 defense was better when you consider that it had two All-Americans and finished with a 12-1 record.
3. So you admit that your dislike for Bowen is personal, and has nothing to do with his coaching ability. Thanks for completely invalidating yourself.
:thumbsup:
Would they have been AA's with a tougher schedule (which would also have changed the 12-1 to 10-3).
Seems to me, everything boils down to a cupcake schedule.
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every team has more "depth" and "that one guy that had late offers from michigan and oklahoma"
:rolleyes:
Bullsh*t. Your program is a perfect example of very little depth and very little talent on either side of the ball. Your QB situation is laughable, by the way.
:lol:
If Reesing goes down, uk will be in the same boat. LOL at Kale Pick.
And to pretend that uk ever drew 20k for a UAB game during the Mason era is hilarious. Maybe 12k.
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particularly the fluke 2007 ku teams a$$
Damnit dax it wasn't a fluke, it was a very good team with a very easy schedule.
Actually the definition of Fluke is "a stroke of good luck" or "a chance occurrence". I think the fact that the best ku team in its history aligning the same year as the easiest schedule in college football would qualify as a "chance occurrence" and "a stroke of good luck". Thus, the use of the word fluke in describing the 2007 jayhawks is not only applicable but downright felicitous.
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particularly the fluke 2007 ku teams a$$
Damnit dax it wasn't a fluke, it was a very good team with a very easy schedule.
Actually the definition of Fluke is "a stroke of good luck" or "a chance occurrence". I think the fact that the best ku team in its history aligning the same year as the easiest schedule in college football would qualify as a "chance occurrence" and "a stroke of good luck". Thus, the use of the word fluke in describing the 2007 jayhawks is not only applicable but downright felicitous.
yes, but if we play that season again, ku goes 12-1 again. that's prolly his point.
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particularly the fluke 2007 ku teams a$$
Damnit dax it wasn't a fluke, it was a very good team with a very easy schedule.
Actually the definition of Fluke is "a stroke of good luck" or "a chance occurrence". I think the fact that the best ku team in its history aligning the same year as the easiest schedule in college football would qualify as a "chance occurrence" and "a stroke of good luck". Thus, the use of the word fluke in describing the 2007 jayhawks is not only applicable but downright felicitous.
yes, but if we play that season again, ku goes 12-1 again. that's prolly his point.
We'll prolly be 5-7 again. :crybaby:
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every team has more "depth" and "that one guy that had late offers from michigan and oklahoma"
:rolleyes:
Bullsh*t. Your program is a perfect example of very little depth and very little talent on either side of the ball. Your QB situation is laughable, by the way.
:lol:
that's awesome bmw. keep thinking ku is the only program adding players and trying to get better.
When did I suggest that was the case? Hint: never.
:rolleyes:
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So let me get this straight.
The Bentard demands that we believe him when he says that ku's defense is going to be a lot better, particularly because they got some Juco guy who had last minute offers from OU and Michigan. (hell they just might be, my whole point is that I don't think the coaching horsepower exists on the defensive side of the ball over in Tardville to really cause any significant improvement).
But we can't for one second think (and I am not saying we really are thinking this, in fact I think most of us want to see it before we'll believe it) that the addition of a pretty solid transfer from a Big East School, and the addition of of a guy who by all accounts has tremendous talent will not help K-State's QB depth??
That's some significant shortdick syndrome there.
Classic Bentard.
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particularly the fluke 2007 ku teams a$$
Damnit dax it wasn't a fluke, it was a very good team with a very easy schedule.
Actually the definition of Fluke is "a stroke of good luck" or "a chance occurrence". I think the fact that the best ku team in its history aligning the same year as the easiest schedule in college football would qualify as a "chance occurrence" and "a stroke of good luck". Thus, the use of the word fluke in describing the 2007 jayhawks is not only applicable but downright felicitous.
Yes... such a "fluke" that ku covered the spread in every single game except one. Such a "fluke" that ku beat #3 Va Tech in the BCS Orange Bowl. Such a "fluke" that the next season ku beat K-State by an even wider margin, 52-21. Hey, whatever makes you little EMAW's feel better about the state of your pathetic football program.
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particularly the fluke 2007 ku teams a$$
Damnit dax it wasn't a fluke, it was a very good team with a very easy schedule.
Actually the definition of Fluke is "a stroke of good luck" or "a chance occurrence". I think the fact that the best ku team in its history aligning the same year as the easiest schedule in college football would qualify as a "chance occurrence" and "a stroke of good luck". Thus, the use of the word fluke in describing the 2007 jayhawks is not only applicable but downright felicitous.
Yes... such a "fluke" that ku covered the spread in every single game except one. Such a "fluke" that ku beat #3 Va Tech in the BCS Orange Bowl. Such a "fluke" that the next season ku beat K-State by an even wider margin, 52-21. Hey, whatever makes you little EMAW's feel better about the state of your pathetic football program.
Did you even read my post?
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bmw is a monster and i'm getting out of the way.
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So let me get this straight.
The Bentard demands that we believe him when he says that ku's defense is going to be a lot better, particularly because they got some Juco guy who had last minute offers from OU and Michigan. (hell they just might be, my whole point is that I don't think the coaching horsepower exists on the defensive side of the ball over in Tardville to really cause any significant improvement).
But we can't for one second think (and I am not saying we really are thinking this, in fact I think most of us want to see it before we'll believe it) that the addition of a pretty solid transfer from a Big East School, and the addition of of a guy who by all accounts has tremendous talent will not help K-State's QB depth??
That's some significant shortdick syndrome there.
Classic Bentard.
1. Brooks had offers to Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Auburn, among others. The offers came last minute because Brooks didn't expect to qualify for D-1 until late in the recruiting process.
2. Woods, the 6'6 4-star d-end, committed to Michigan out of high school. For some reason, I expect him to improve ku's depth at the d-end position.
3. Gregory was a 2nd-stringer for South Florida. Sorry if I'm not willing to say that he'll be an upgrade over a 1st round NFL Draft pick.
:rolleyes:
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bmw, are you disregarding all recruits w/o offers from a "michigan, oklahoma..." type school?
:rolleyes:
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I am agreeing with Ben, who has more football knowledge than PS, uk is a lock for the North.
If they don't win the North, huge choke job. And really shows 2007 was a massive fluke.
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bmw, are you disregarding all recruits w/o offers from a "michigan, oklahoma..." type school?
:rolleyes:
Nope... For instance, one of my favorite recruits in ku's '09 recruiting class is Julian Jones, and his only other listed offer was to New Mexico State.
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bmw, are you disregarding all recruits w/o offers from a "michigan, oklahoma..." type school?
:rolleyes:
Nope... For instance, one of my favorite recruits in ku's '09 recruiting class is Julian Jones, and his only other listed offer was to New Mexico State.
well, when you pump up a player solely because of his impressive offers, you disregard players w/NMSU type offers.
again, just trying to be fair here.
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Using 'Pad's "logic," ku's inevitable drop-off offensively in '10 will be because of Ed Warriner, not because of the loss of Reesing, Briscoe, etc.
:flush:
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So let me get this straight.
The Bentard demands that we believe him when he says that ku's defense is going to be a lot better, particularly because they got some Juco guy who had last minute offers from OU and Michigan. (hell they just might be, my whole point is that I don't think the coaching horsepower exists on the defensive side of the ball over in Tardville to really cause any significant improvement).
But we can't for one second think (and I am not saying we really are thinking this, in fact I think most of us want to see it before we'll believe it) that the addition of a pretty solid transfer from a Big East School, and the addition of of a guy who by all accounts has tremendous talent will not help K-State's QB depth??
That's some significant shortdick syndrome there.
Classic Bentard.
1. Brooks had offers to Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Auburn, among others. The offers came last minute because Brooks didn't expect to qualify for D-1 until late in the recruiting process. (That's nice, many schools have players with the same story . . . BFD)
2. Woods, the 6'6 4-star d-end, committed to Michigan out of high school. For some reason, I expect him to improve ku's depth at the d-end position. (never said he wouldn't, that was never my point dumbass)
3. Gregory was a 2nd-stringer for South Florida. Sorry if I'm not willing to say that he'll be an upgrade over a 1st round NFL Draft pick. (never for one second said he'd be an upgrade dumbass . . . I said depth . . . that's depth . . . can you even read?)
:rolleyes:
I'd also like for you to expand on, "there's no way it was a fluke, they beat the spread" logic. (here's a hint: do it from the standpoint of how the spread is actually determined once the betting week progresses towards game time).
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Using 'Pad's "logic," ku's inevitable drop-off offensively in '10 will be because of Ed Warriner, not because of the loss of Reesing, Briscoe, etc.
:flush:
If ku's offense drops 80 spots year over year, than yeah, I'll do what any non dumbass does, I'll start looking at the coaching.
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1. When a team covers the spread, you can rule out the luck factor. Find me an example of one game that ku won in '07 strictly because of luck. (Here's a hint: you can't, because it didn't happen.)
2. If ku's offense drops 80 spots, it probably has a lot more to do with the replacements for Reesing, Briscoe, etc. than what play Warriner is calling from the sidelines.
3. Calm down, 'Pad. No need to throw around "dumbass" and "tard" like it's your job. Tone down the :curse: :chainsaw:
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1. The ku coaching staff was looking for someone to replace Steve Tovar as LB's coach.
LoL. I love when coaches leave to "pursue other personal interests."
2. The '07 defense was better when you consider that it had two All-Americans and finished with a 12-1 record.
I believe the O played a pretty big part in the 12-1 record. Maybe you should check out the record of the 05 team and the O that played that year.
3. So you admit that your dislike for Bowen is personal, and has nothing to do with his coaching ability. Thanks for completely invalidating yourself.
Actually my dislike of him is from the bad defensive coaching I saw last year. The rest is just irritation about his bad coaching. If he was a good DC I wouldn't care about his involvement. I do like how you are proving to me that you never watched a game before 07 though.
:thumbsup:
I've been attending ku football games since I was a little kid... back when Glen Mason was coach and there might have been 20,000 people in the stands for a home game against UAB. Perhaps you could provide an example of Bowen's "bad coaching." His system was the exact same as Bill Young's. Also, Bowen's adjustments at the end of the year seemed to really improve the defense. For example, switching Justin Thornton to cornerback and bringing James Holt off of the weakside d-end position on occasion. You can blame Bowen all you want, but he wasn't the main reason for the drop-off in '08.
I think the out of position players and horrible tackling is the only examples you really need. Yeah the D improved over the course of the year but that isn't saying much. Again, if Clint is doing such an outstanding job why did he get demoted? I have never been demoted for doing my job. and seriously a good coach would of had Holt coming off that weak-side at the beginning of the year. Another example for you is the half time adjustments, or lack of. I bet your watching experience is actually more 1995, 2007(just after September) and 2008. funny how Young goes to Miami and they improve while the team he leaves goes down hill, can't be the coaching.
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1. When a team covers the spread, you can rule out the luck factor. Find me an example of one game that ku won in '07 strictly because of luck. (Here's a hint: you can't, because it didn't happen.) (no one here has claimed on any level that ku won a particular game in 2007 in some sort of "lucky" fashion, we are saying that a good ku team played an extremely weak schedule, in fact I believe it was the or close to the weakest schedule of any BCS conference school . . . and while Mangino may try his best, that will be a situation that will likely never happen again. When the schedule got tougher the next year, ku was right back at .500 in conference play, pretty much where ku always is in conference play)
2. If ku's offense drops 80 spots, it probably has a lot more to do with the replacements for Reesing, Briscoe, etc. than what play Warriner is calling from the sidelines. (my point has nothing to do with individual play calling at all . . . never has been the point, never will be the point)
3. Calm down, 'Pad. No need to throw around "dumbass" and "tard" like it's your job. Tone down the :curse: factor. (it is what it is, when you constantly deploy the logic you use, there are no other words that can describe it)
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Jayhawks, the first thing people do when they're losing an argument is to start making personal attacks. I know, because I've done it myself. You can question my football knowledge and my level of "fanhood" all day long. The bottom line is that we disagree with each other when it comes to Clint Bowen. Do I think Bowen made some mistakes in his first year as d-coordinator? Yes, of course. However, I'm of firm belief that the players on the field are the ones who have the most impact on a football game. How can you blame a missed tackle on Clint Bowen? Players have been learning how to tackle since pee wee football. The coaches work on fundamentals during the off-season, but you're naive if you think ku practices tackling formation on a regular basis.
At the D-1 level, the players are required to practice and play at 100% all of the time. The game speed steps up a notch and the game preparation is much more demanding at the college level. Bowen's job as d-coordinator is to put his players in a position to succeed. The problem last season for ku was that our cornerbacks were completely inexperienced once Kendrick Harper went out with that injury. Like I noted earlier in the thread, Chris Harris was Big 12 Newcomer of the Year in '07 playing opposite of Talib... but once he had to take on more responsibility, his weaknesses were exposed. Bowen switched things up and put Patterson and Thornton at CB during the middle of the season, but Patterson was a true freshman and Thornton was switching positions. It wasn't an instant cure... but they did make progress as the season drew to a close.
The Bill Miller hire was centered more around Steve Tovar's resignation than anything else. It just so happened that Miller was a very strong candidate with a ton of D-1 experience. Miller is also more familiar with the 4-2-5, which ku is implimenting next season.
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Can Tardville take their little debate off line . . . thanks.
Now, does anyone else have anything to discuss about Phil Steele's 610 and 810 appearances, besides Tardville trying to tell us how he's got it all wrong in regards to ku.
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1. When a team covers the spread, you can rule out the luck factor. Find me an example of one game that ku won in '07 strictly because of luck. (Here's a hint: you can't, because it didn't happen.) (no one here has claimed on any level that ku won a particular game in 2007 in some sort of "lucky" fashion, we are saying that a good ku team played an extremely weak schedule, in fact I believe it was the or close to the weakest schedule of any BCS conference school . . . and while Mangino may try his best, that will be a situation that will likely never happen again. When the schedule got tougher the next year, ku was right back at .500 in conference play, pretty much where ku always is in conference play)
2. If ku's offense drops 80 spots, it probably has a lot more to do with the replacements for Reesing, Briscoe, etc. than what play Warriner is calling from the sidelines. (my point has nothing to do with individual play calling at all . . . never has been the point, never will be the point)
3. Calm down, 'Pad. No need to throw around "dumbass" and "tard" like it's your job. Tone down the :curse: factor. (it is what it is, when you constantly deploy the logic you use, there are no other words that can describe it)
1. Get over it already. ku had a very good team that played the schedule it was handed. The Big 12 creates ku's conference schedule. Central Michigan was a bowl team and Toledo beat ku the year before. And no, it wasn't the easiest schedule of any BCS school.
2. In that case, you are even more clueless than I thought.
3. You call anyone a "dumbass" who doesn't subscribe to your skewed view of reality. It's not just a coincidence that you were disassociated from K-State for being an intolerant prick. It's quite obvious that you get :curse: whenever I own you like a cheap suit, but hey, that's pretty much an every day occurrence around these parts. I traditionally save the term "dumbass" for people who constantly confuse simple words such as "to" and "too."
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Now, does anyone else have anything to discuss about Phil Steele's 610 and 810 appearances, besides Tardville trying to tell us how he's got it all wrong in regards to ku.
I like how he doesn't think we're gonna completely blow :dunno:
Fwiw, the uk talk is newer and more interesting than dax vs bmw for the 84354th time
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:billypopcorn: :billypopcorn: :billypopcorn:
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1. When a team covers the spread, you can rule out the luck factor. Find me an example of one game that ku won in '07 strictly because of luck. (Here's a hint: you can't, because it didn't happen.) (no one here has claimed on any level that ku won a particular game in 2007 in some sort of "lucky" fashion, we are saying that a good ku team played an extremely weak schedule, in fact I believe it was the or close to the weakest schedule of any BCS conference school . . . and while Mangino may try his best, that will be a situation that will likely never happen again. When the schedule got tougher the next year, ku was right back at .500 in conference play, pretty much where ku always is in conference play)
2. If ku's offense drops 80 spots, it probably has a lot more to do with the replacements for Reesing, Briscoe, etc. than what play Warriner is calling from the sidelines. (my point has nothing to do with individual play calling at all . . . never has been the point, never will be the point)
3. Calm down, 'Pad. No need to throw around "dumbass" and "tard" like it's your job. Tone down the :curse: factor. (it is what it is, when you constantly deploy the logic you use, there are no other words that can describe it)
1. Get over it already. ku had a very good team that played the schedule it was handed. The Big 12 creates ku's conference schedule. Central Michigan was a bowl team and Toledo beat ku the year before. And no, it wasn't the easiest schedule of any BCS school. (if anyone needs to get over it, it's you . . . someday you'll actually get it that we're not going to give ku's 2007 the due you demand, until ku steps up and does the same thing against a schedule that has a little backbone in it . . . until proven otherwise, 2007 was a statistical anomaly created by a good team playing a very weak schedule. Oh, and I clearly said that it was either THE or one of THE weakest schedules, I really hate having to correct your inability to read and comprehend all the time).
2. In that case, you are even more clueless than I thought. (You can't discuss this with someone who attempts to drive home a point that a "unit" in the game of football going from one of the best, to one of the worst (out of about 116 teams) in the span of 1 year isn't worthy of a significant review of the coaches, systems, and methods at hand . . . just a piece of career advice, don't attempt to take that same logic into the business world unless you want to work for a company or own a company that isn't long for existence. But please, if ku goes from having one of the Top 20 best offenses in the country this year, to the 90th-95th best offense at the end of the 2010 regular season, by all means implore Mark Mangino to just chalk it up as a loss of a couple of key personnel and roll with it. Implore him to not even think about visiting this situation with his coaches and reviewing the systems they employ and recruiting methods they use.)
3. You call anyone a "dumbass" who doesn't subscribe to your skewed view of reality. It's not just a coincidence that you were disassociated from K-State for being an intolerant prick. It's quite obvious that you get :curse: whenever I own you like a cheap suit, but hey, that's pretty much an every day occurrence around these parts. I traditionally save the term "dumbass" for people who constantly confuse simple words such as "to" and "too." (actually I've been fully re associated and enjoy the rights and privileges afforded to any and all K-State season ticket holders and Ahearn Club Donors in accordance to their respective level of giving of course. In terms of your referencing the usage of "to" and "too" I fully admit I often get it wrong, and I've found that some of the smartest people in the world often get it wrong as well when they're just doing things like sending an email or "writing" in a very informal setting. There's common grammatical errors and then there's idiocy/idiot logic . . . the two are about as near to being mutually exclusive as you can get. There's nothing funnier than a ku fan on a K-State bulletin board who says they "own someone" when that ku fan repeatedly melts down, storms off, cancels their account, has multiple socks, actually gets mad because people make fun of their obsession with K-State and their post count on this board, and that ku fan gets all :mad: at every conceivable slight of ku, even when 85% of the time it's nothing but :jayhook:)
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Bowen's job as d-coordinator is to put his players in a position to succeed. Blah Blah Blah.
And he did an atrocious job at this last year.
Wasnt attacking you, sorry if you feel that way, maybe grow a little thicker skin. I don't question your a Jayhawk fan, just questioning how much of a football fan you are. I know all about the speed of the game and blah blah blah. Not being in position and no intensity is a reflection on the coach no matter how you want to spin it. I agree that they made progress as the season went on but you are still not accounting for other things, the LB's had problems being in position, the DB's had problems being in position and the DL was lifeless at times.
the 4-2-5 is just the nickle, ku ran it a bunch of times last year and failed at it on passing downs and is going to run it MORE, not always, this year. I'm sorry but returning 8 players from a #12 D and falling all the way to #89 is a reflection on coaching.
Like i've said a hundred times here and elsewhere, ku will be improved on D this year mainly because of Talent and Depth and I pick them to finish 9-2 before the B12CG. I think Miller is going to provide the intensity and the "take no prisoners" attitude that was missing last year. 5-0 in the North.
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KSU's tailgates: EMAW clothing, natty light keystone light, beef, and washers. :kstatriot: :cheers:
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1. When a team covers the spread, you can rule out the luck factor. Find me an example of one game that ku won in '07 strictly because of luck. (Here's a hint: you can't, because it didn't happen.) (no one here has claimed on any level that ku won a particular game in 2007 in some sort of "lucky" fashion, we are saying that a good ku team played an extremely weak schedule, in fact I believe it was the or close to the weakest schedule of any BCS conference school . . . and while Mangino may try his best, that will be a situation that will likely never happen again. When the schedule got tougher the next year, ku was right back at .500 in conference play, pretty much where ku always is in conference play)
2. If ku's offense drops 80 spots, it probably has a lot more to do with the replacements for Reesing, Briscoe, etc. than what play Warriner is calling from the sidelines. (my point has nothing to do with individual play calling at all . . . never has been the point, never will be the point)
3. Calm down, 'Pad. No need to throw around "dumbass" and "tard" like it's your job. Tone down the :curse: factor. (it is what it is, when you constantly deploy the logic you use, there are no other words that can describe it)
1. Get over it already. ku had a very good team that played the schedule it was handed. The Big 12 creates ku's conference schedule. Central Michigan was a bowl team and Toledo beat ku the year before. And no, it wasn't the easiest schedule of any BCS school. (if anyone needs to get over it, it's you . . . someday you'll actually get it that we're not going to give ku's 2007 the due you demand, until ku steps up and does the same thing against a schedule that has a little backbone in it . . . until proven otherwise, 2007 was a statistical anomaly created by a good team playing a very weak schedule. Oh, and I clearly said that it was either THE or one of THE weakest schedules, I really hate having to correct your inability to read and comprehend all the time).
2. In that case, you are even more clueless than I thought. (You can't discuss this with someone who attempts to drive home a point that a "unit" in the game of football going from one of the best, to one of the worst (out of about 116 teams) in the span of 1 year isn't worthy of a significant review of the coaches, systems, and methods at hand . . . just a piece of career advice, don't attempt to take that same logic into the business world unless you want to work for a company or own a company that isn't long for existence. But please, if ku goes from having one of the Top 20 best offenses in the country this year, to the 90th-95th best offense at the end of the 2010 regular season, by all means implore Mark Mangino to just chalk it up as a loss of a couple of key personnel and roll with it. Implore him to not even think about visiting this situation with his coaches and reviewing the systems they employ and recruiting methods they use.)
3. You call anyone a "dumbass" who doesn't subscribe to your skewed view of reality. It's not just a coincidence that you were disassociated from K-State for being an intolerant prick. It's quite obvious that you get :curse: whenever I own you like a cheap suit, but hey, that's pretty much an every day occurrence around these parts. I traditionally save the term "dumbass" for people who constantly confuse simple words such as "to" and "too." (actually I've been fully re associated and enjoy the rights and privileges afforded to any and all K-State season ticket holders and Ahearn Club Donors in accordance to their respective level of giving of course. In terms of your referencing the usage of "to" and "too" I fully admit I often get it wrong, and I've found that some of the smartest people in the world often get it wrong as well when they're just doing things like sending an email or "writing" in a very informal setting. There's common grammatical errors and then there's idiocy/idiot logic . . . the two are about as near to being mutually exclusive as you can get. There's nothing funnier than a ku fan on a K-State bulletin board who says they "own someone" when that ku fan repeatedly melts down, storms off, cancels their account, has multiple socks, actually gets mad because people make fun of their obsession with K-State and their post count on this board, and that ku fan gets all :mad: at every conceivable slight of ku, even when 85% of the time it's nothing but :jayhook:)
My only irritation is the fact that USC finished with an easier schedule than ku that year but got tons of love. Where's my love.
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So let me get this straight.
The Bentard demands that we believe him when he says that ku's defense is going to be a lot better, particularly because they got some Juco guy who had last minute offers from OU and Michigan. (hell they just might be, my whole point is that I don't think the coaching horsepower exists on the defensive side of the ball over in Tardville to really cause any significant improvement).
But we can't for one second think (and I am not saying we really are thinking this, in fact I think most of us want to see it before we'll believe it) that the addition of a pretty solid transfer from a Big East School, and the addition of of a guy who by all accounts has tremendous talent will not help K-State's QB depth??
That's some significant shortdick syndrome there.
Classic Bentard.
1. Brooks had offers to Oklahoma, Tennessee, and Auburn, among others. The offers came last minute because Brooks didn't expect to qualify for D-1 until late in the recruiting process.
2. Woods, the 6'6 4-star d-end, committed to Michigan out of high school. For some reason, I expect him to improve ku's depth at the d-end position.
3. Gregory was a 2nd-stringer for South Florida. Sorry if I'm not willing to say that he'll be an upgrade over a 1st round NFL Draft pick.
:rolleyes:
If you think players are good mostly because they are recruited by big time programs, then you need to start looking into a Dungeons and Dragons club.
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1. When a team covers the spread, you can rule out the luck factor. Find me an example of one game that ku won in '07 strictly because of luck. (Here's a hint: you can't, because it didn't happen.) (no one here has claimed on any level that ku won a particular game in 2007 in some sort of "lucky" fashion, we are saying that a good ku team played an extremely weak schedule, in fact I believe it was the or close to the weakest schedule of any BCS conference school . . . and while Mangino may try his best, that will be a situation that will likely never happen again. When the schedule got tougher the next year, ku was right back at .500 in conference play, pretty much where ku always is in conference play)
2. If ku's offense drops 80 spots, it probably has a lot more to do with the replacements for Reesing, Briscoe, etc. than what play Warriner is calling from the sidelines. (my point has nothing to do with individual play calling at all . . . never has been the point, never will be the point)
3. Calm down, 'Pad. No need to throw around "dumbass" and "tard" like it's your job. Tone down the :curse: factor. (it is what it is, when you constantly deploy the logic you use, there are no other words that can describe it)
1. Get over it already. ku had a very good team that played the schedule it was handed. The Big 12 creates ku's conference schedule. Central Michigan was a bowl team and Toledo beat ku the year before. And no, it wasn't the easiest schedule of any BCS school. (if anyone needs to get over it, it's you . . . someday you'll actually get it that we're not going to give ku's 2007 the due you demand, until ku steps up and does the same thing against a schedule that has a little backbone in it . . . until proven otherwise, 2007 was a statistical anomaly created by a good team playing a very weak schedule. Oh, and I clearly said that it was either THE or one of THE weakest schedules, I really hate having to correct your inability to read and comprehend all the time).
2. In that case, you are even more clueless than I thought. (You can't discuss this with someone who attempts to drive home a point that a "unit" in the game of football going from one of the best, to one of the worst (out of about 116 teams) in the span of 1 year isn't worthy of a significant review of the coaches, systems, and methods at hand . . . just a piece of career advice, don't attempt to take that same logic into the business world unless you want to work for a company or own a company that isn't long for existence. But please, if ku goes from having one of the Top 20 best offenses in the country this year, to the 90th-95th best offense at the end of the 2010 regular season, by all means implore Mark Mangino to just chalk it up as a loss of a couple of key personnel and roll with it. Implore him to not even think about visiting this situation with his coaches and reviewing the systems they employ and recruiting methods they use.)
3. You call anyone a "dumbass" who doesn't subscribe to your skewed view of reality. It's not just a coincidence that you were disassociated from K-State for being an intolerant prick. It's quite obvious that you get :curse: whenever I own you like a cheap suit, but hey, that's pretty much an every day occurrence around these parts. I traditionally save the term "dumbass" for people who constantly confuse simple words such as "to" and "too." (actually I've been fully re associated and enjoy the rights and privileges afforded to any and all K-State season ticket holders and Ahearn Club Donors in accordance to their respective level of giving of course. In terms of your referencing the usage of "to" and "too" I fully admit I often get it wrong, and I've found that some of the smartest people in the world often get it wrong as well when they're just doing things like sending an email or "writing" in a very informal setting. There's common grammatical errors and then there's idiocy/idiot logic . . . the two are about as near to being mutually exclusive as you can get. There's nothing funnier than a ku fan on a K-State bulletin board who says they "own someone" when that ku fan repeatedly melts down, storms off, cancels their account, has multiple socks, actually gets mad because people make fun of their obsession with K-State and their post count on this board, and that ku fan gets all :mad: at every conceivable slight of ku, even when 85% of the time it's nothing but :jayhook:)
My only irritation is the fact that USC finished with an easier schedule than ku that year but got tons of love. Where's my love.
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FINAL College Football 2007 through games of 2008 January 7 Monday the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
HOME ADVANTAGE= 2.58 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
1 LSU A = 93.39 12 2 76.26( 11) 2 0 | 5 2 | 94.21 1 | 92.43 4
2 Kansas A = 92.78 12 1 67.68( 74) 1 1 | 2 1 | 93.67 2 | 91.76 7
3 West Virginia A = 92.29 11 2 73.61( 40) 1 0 | 2 1 | 89.40 5 | 95.80 1
4 Southern California A = 90.94 11 2 74.45( 29) 0 1 | 4 1 | 89.40 6 | 92.38 5
5 Oklahoma A = 90.66 11 3 73.10( 44) 2 1 | 4 2 | 87.53 8 | 94.55 2
6 Missouri A = 90.48 12 2 75.19( 25) 1 2 | 4 2 | 89.75 4 | 90.97 8
7 Georgia A = 89.83 11 2 75.35( 23) 1 0 | 4 1 | 90.96 3 | 88.61 9
8 Oregon A = 88.19 9 4 77.40( 5) 1 0 | 4 2 | 84.54 13 | 92.98 3
9 Virginia Tech A = 87.84 11 3 73.90( 36) 0 2 | 2 3 | 87.67 7 | 87.75 11
10 Florida A = 87.59 9 4 77.47( 3) 0 2 | 2 4 | 83.99 16 | 92.23 6
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt07.htm
Um. Maybe I'm reading this wrong :dunno:?
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2007 Regular Season:
USC vs Top 20 BCS: 1-0
ku vs Top 20 BCS: 0-1
USC vs Final AP Top 25: 2-1
ku vs Final AP Top 25: 0-1
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2007 Regular Season:
USC vs Top 20 BCS: 1-0
ku vs Top 20 BCS: 0-1
USC vs Final AP Top 25: 2-1
ku vs Final AP Top 25: 0-1
:lol:
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but golly, ku beat that pesky Virginia Tech team in '07 (AP #9, and BCS #19).... conveniently left out of the "regular season" wet spot on the front of Pad's jorts.
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but golly, ku beat that pesky Virginia Tech team .... conveniently left out of the "regular season" wet spot on the front of Pad's jorts.
Didn't he say regular season?
He left off exhibition.
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FINAL College Football 2007 through games of 2008 January 7 Monday the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here
HOME ADVANTAGE= 2.58 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR
1 LSU A = 93.39 12 2 76.26( 11) 2 0 | 5 2 | 94.21 1 | 92.43 4
2 Kansas A = 92.78 12 1 67.68( 74) 1 1 | 2 1 | 93.67 2 | 91.76 7
3 West Virginia A = 92.29 11 2 73.61( 40) 1 0 | 2 1 | 89.40 5 | 95.80 1
4 Southern California A = 90.94 11 2 74.45( 29) 0 1 | 4 1 | 89.40 6 | 92.38 5
5 Oklahoma A = 90.66 11 3 73.10( 44) 2 1 | 4 2 | 87.53 8 | 94.55 2
6 Missouri A = 90.48 12 2 75.19( 25) 1 2 | 4 2 | 89.75 4 | 90.97 8
7 Georgia A = 89.83 11 2 75.35( 23) 1 0 | 4 1 | 90.96 3 | 88.61 9
8 Oregon A = 88.19 9 4 77.40( 5) 1 0 | 4 2 | 84.54 13 | 92.98 3
9 Virginia Tech A = 87.84 11 3 73.90( 36) 0 2 | 2 3 | 87.67 7 | 87.75 11
10 Florida A = 87.59 9 4 77.47( 3) 0 2 | 2 4 | 83.99 16 | 92.23 6
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt07.htm
Um. Maybe I'm reading this wrong :dunno:?
Um. 67.68 is better than 74.45
here is the ncaa link Link (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/2007/Internet/toughest%20schedule/ia_9games_cumm.pdf)
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but golly, ku beat that pesky Virginia Tech team .... conveniently left out of the "regular season" wet spot on the front of Pad's jorts.
Didn't he say regular season?
He left off exhibition.
lol, ku fans are so football stupid that they don't realize bowl games aren't a part of the reg season.
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LOL . . . when we were talking about ku having a 70 something SOS we were clearly talking about the "regular season". On the AP side of the equation what the Stalksmith posted was VT's end of season AP ranking, as Bentard (who apparently has stormed out in a big huff as per usual . . . poor little fella) repeatedly points out, VT went into the Orange Bowl ranked #3 in the country. Still don't know how a team that was crushed by #1 ends up in the Top 3 at the end of the regular season, and don't know how a 3 loss team ends up finishing in the Top 10 after the bowls . . . but it makes Tardville feel good, and VT gets plenty of that spooky, love you long time mojo from ESPN and others, so good for them.
Given the relative strangeness, high level of latency, and total inability to "get it" demonstrated early and often by DocStalkSmith . . . I am convinced the poor little guy/gal is either a heavy drug/alcohol user (hey can't blame him/her) or has some sort of mental disorder.
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2007 Regular Season:
USC vs Top 20 BCS: 1-0
ku vs Top 20 BCS: 0-1
USC vs Final AP Top 25: 2-1
ku vs Final AP Top 25: 0-1
Way off with this one Dax. Use the top 25 for both for consistencies sake.
LOL. They lost to Stanford that year. ku stomped every team with stanford caliber talent.
Also look at the numbers of those BCS top rankings.
USC Vs. #23 Oregon - L
USC Vs. #16 ASU - W
USC Vs. #20 Ill - W (Bowl)
ku Vs. #4 Moo - L
ku Vs. #9 VT - W (Bowl)
So ku finished 1-1 against top 10 teams and USC finished 2-1 against teams ranked out of the top 15. I repeat, USC did NOT play a single top 15 team that year.
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Oregon was ranked number 2 when dixon went down.
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VT had no business being ranked in the top 10 in the AP poll anyway. They played in the worst conference that season. The ACC was pathetic.
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2007 Regular Season:
USC vs Top 20 BCS: 1-0
ku vs Top 20 BCS: 0-1
USC vs Final AP Top 25: 2-1
ku vs Final AP Top 25: 0-1
Way off with this one Dax. Use the top 25 for both for consistencies sake.
LOL. They lost to Stanford that year. ku stomped every team with stanford caliber talent.
Also look at the numbers of those BCS top rankings.
USC Vs. #23 Oregon - L
USC Vs. #16 ASU - W
USC Vs. #20 Ill - W (Bowl)
ku Vs. #4 Moo - L
ku Vs. #9 VT - W (Bowl)
So ku finished 1-1 against top 10 teams and USC finished 2-1 against teams ranked out of the top 15. I repeat, USC did NOT play a single top 15 team that year.
You do understand what "regular season" means right??
You do understand that a Sagarin SOS Score of 74.45 is better than a Sagarin SOS score of 67.78 right??
You do understand that during the regular season USC played 3 Final Top 25 teams, and that ku played 1 Final Top 25 team right??
You do understand that during the regular season USC played 1 BCS Top 20 team and won, while ku played 1 Final BCS Top 20 and lost right??
You do understand that during the 2007 season USC played 5 Sagarin Top 30 teams, and ku played 3 Sagarin Top 30 teams right??
At the end of the entire season, you understand that USC was 2-0 against Final BCS Top 20 Opponents and ku was 1-1 against Final BCS Top 20 opponents right??
At the end of the entire football season, you do understand that USC was 3-1 vs teams in the AP Final Top 25, while ku was 1-1 vs teams in the AP Final Top 25 right??
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VT had no business being ranked in the top 10 in the AP poll anyway. They played in the worst conference that season. The ACC was pathetic.
Yet, they finished in the #9 of the final AP poll.
weird huh?
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i wish i had a timemachine, 2007 asap please. Lots of investigating to do re this ku football team.
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:facepalm:
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1. The ku coaching staff was looking for someone to replace Steve Tovar as LB's coach.
So they needed to open up a coaching position to bring in a new guy so Tovar was picked to "pursue other personal interests"
2. The '07 defense was better when you consider that it had two All-Americans and finished with a 12-1 record.
Lets see. 05 played a tougher schedule, ranked higher, and did it without 2 AAs. Looks to me that 05 would be considered the better D.
3. So you admit that your dislike for Bowen is personal, and has nothing to do with his coaching ability. Thanks for completely invalidating yourself.
Bill Young was the best D coach ku has had in years. If you watched any ku FB prior to 07 you could see that the play of the D was the only reason the team improved. Bill young seemed to be in the headsets of most opponents as they always seemed to be in the right formation & position. Hell, he even turned Nick Reid and 2 other scrubs into one of the best LB corps in the Big 12.
:thumbsup:
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And that '07 ku team was as good as '97, '02 and '03 K-State teams, right? :rolleyes:
And to even think they could stay within 3 touchdowns of the '98 team is beyond rediculous. Oh well.
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I caught Phil Steele on the radio after he had started talking about K-State so I didn't get everything. I can't remember ever hearing him actually talk before, but was really impressed at his overall knowledge of the makeups of each team. I always figured/assumed he was numbers geek, sabrematrician, but it seems like he uses a lot of subjective assumptions in his predictions and obviously puts a lot of weight in home games. Considering how accurate he is, this really surprised me, because it seems like people who make predictions like these (i.e. Lee Corso) are never right.
I also like how he much weight he put on line play and special teams. I think skills positions are way overrated when it comes to winning games and that the game is still won in the trenches :cyclist:. I base this opinion on the fact that may two favorite football teams, Cats and Chiefs, both crumbled after they lost failed to rebuild offensive and defensive lines.
I don't know how the he!! we get to 8 wins this season (like he implied), but the dude is right more often than he's wrong. Can't wait for football :kstatriot:
F&ck uk fans, go revise football history on your own board!
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BTW, very thankful for this: :facepalm:
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VT had no business being ranked in the top 10 in the AP poll anyway. They played in the worst conference that season. The ACC was pathetic.
Actually the Pac10 was worse.
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VT had no business being ranked in the top 10 in the AP poll anyway. They played in the worst conference that season. The ACC was pathetic.
Actually the Pac10 was worse.
Being better than the Pac 10 doesn't say much
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You do understand what "regular season" means right??
You do understand that a Sagarin SOS Score of 74.45 is better than a Sagarin SOS score of 67.78 right??
Per the NCAA official site toughest schedule ranks
ku - 72
USC - 73
You do understand that during the regular season USC played 3 Final Top 25 teams, and that ku played 1 Final Top 25 team right??
Yeah.
#16, #20, # 25
While ku played #4
You do understand that during the regular season USC played 1 BCS Top 20 team and won, while ku played 1 Final BCS Top 20 and lost right??
yeah, they played #16 and barely won
ku played #4 and lost by 8
To put it better for you
USC played 0 top 15 teams that year and ku played 1
You do understand that during the 2007 season USC played 5 Sagarin Top 30 teams, and ku played 3 Sagarin Top 30 teams right??
So, big difference there, USC LOST to Stanford. 4-8 Stanford. I shouldn't have to continue from here.
At the end of the entire season, you understand that USC was 2-0 against Final BCS Top 20 Opponents and ku was 1-1 against Final BCS Top 20 opponents right??
This is where you do your old "lets narrow down the stats to make me right" routine.
USC was 0-0 against top 15 teams. ku was 1-1 against top 10 teams.
At the end of the entire football season, you do understand that USC was 3-1 vs teams in the AP Final Top 25, while ku was 1-1 vs teams in the AP Final Top 25 right??
I am sure had ku played 4 teams ranked from 16 to 25 they would have won them that year. But instead they played 2 teams in the top 10 and was 1-1.
By the way. I just installed my AWD kit for my Xmod. Should I get ceramic bearings first, or a new chilli motor and evo V2 board first?
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VT had no business being ranked in the top 10 in the AP poll anyway. They played in the worst conference that season. The ACC was pathetic.
Actually the Pac10 was worse.
Being better than the Pac 10 doesn't say much
Says ku probably would have rolled the Pac 10 Champs. LOL how USC deserved their #3 ranking but VT didn't deserve #9.
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Gosh hawks, you don't think there's a difference in playing final Top 25 teams on 3 out of 4 consecutive Saturdays, 2 were true road games. As opposed to say playing 1 regular season game against a Final Top 25 team at a "neutral site" (just 50 miles from the ku campus) with 40,000 of your own fans in the stands?? Then having nearly 2 months to prepare to play an overrated VT team at another neutral site with another 25,000 or more of your own fans in the stands . . . do you??
I guess you can make far flung extrapolations that ku would've beaten 16-25, but reality says that to date, at no time during the Mangino tenure has ku handled playing good teams in close proximity to each other very well. Last year was a prime example: ku played 5 games against final Top 25 teams in 6 weeks and lost 4 of them . . . in the 4 losses, 2 were total blowouts, and the other 2 weren't nearly as close as the resident valdiator in chief tries to claim they were. The one win was ku's only regular season win over a final top 25 team in the Mangino era.
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Gosh hawks, you don't think there's a difference in playing final Top 25 teams on 3 out of 4 consecutive Saturdays, 2 were true road games. As opposed to say playing 1 regular season game against a Final Top 25 team at a "neutral site" (just 50 miles from the ku campus) with 40,000 of your own fans in the stands?? Then having nearly 2 months to prepare to play an overrated VT team at another neutral site with another 25,000 or more of your own fans in the stands . . . do you??
I guess you can make far flung extrapolations that ku would've beaten 16-25, but reality says that to date, at no time during the Mangino tenure has ku handled playing good teams in close proximity to each other very well. Last year was a prime example: ku played 5 games against final Top 25 teams in 6 weeks and lost 4 of them . . . in the 4 losses, 2 were total blowouts, and the other 2 weren't nearly as close as the resident valdiator in chief tries to claim they were. The one win was ku's only regular season win over a final top 25 team in the Mangino era.
yeah the fact is the pac 10 of 07 was a weak conference. You had one good team and 3 mediocre teams that smashed the lower teams in that conference. All I said was ku played a better strength of schedule compared to usc and was better that year than USC and the NCAA agrees ku 72 USC 73. ku's FBS opponents that year were .492 in winning % while USC's opponents win % was .486. You say numbers don't lie, well there you go. USC also lost to 4-8 Stanford.
So with a SOS of 72 ku was 12 - 1 with a loss to #4 Moo and a victory over #9 VT while with a SOS of 73 USC was 11-2 with a loss to #20 Oregon and their bad loss to 4-8 Stanford, their best win was #16 Illinois, how'd they do against the top 15? They didn't have to play any. With USC's schedule ku probably would have been 12-0 and PAC10 Champs.
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Yeah . . . I mean ku played one Final Top 25 team during the 2007 regular season . . . and lost, I can see your point. :rolleyes: And that was with half the place being ku fans.
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Yeah . . . I mean ku played one Final Top 25 team during the 2007 regular season . . . and lost, I can see your point. :rolleyes: And that was with half the place being ku fans.
USC lost to stanford. I guess you must think stanford is some big football powerhouse.
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Yeah . . . I mean ku played one Final Top 25 team during the 2007 regular season . . . and lost, I can see your point. :rolleyes: And that was with half the place being ku fans.
USC lost to stanford. I guess you must think stanford is some big football powerhouse.
When you spend all your time as THE TEAM to beat, it happens . . .look at 2007 to 2008 at ku, ku had plenty of attention, and lost 5 games.
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Yeah . . . I mean ku played one Final Top 25 team during the 2007 regular season . . . and lost, I can see your point. :rolleyes: And that was with half the place being ku fans.
USC lost to stanford. I guess you must think stanford is some big football powerhouse.
When you spend all your time as THE TEAM to beat, it happens . . .look at 2007 to 2008 at ku, ku had plenty of attention, and lost 5 games.
but not to any team the caliber of stanford. I just think it's funny that USC had an easier SOS but yet they where somehow "the team to beat" after losing numerous times in games they shouldn't have lost. You don't see Florida losing to those kind of teams.
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I guess you missed the Florida-Ol' Miss game in the Swamp last year.
Hey, I am not a big fan of USC, but the reality is, they played more good teams than ku, and as I said, Mangino's track record when having to play multiple good teams in quick succession is abysmal, ku played 5 ranked teams in 6 weeks last year and went 1-4 . . . that's just one example. So I am just not buying that ku would have won those games . . . and won't until Mangino proves his teams can take on good teams in rapid succession and win the majority of those games, including having some of those games be true road games.
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Part of Phil Steele's assessment of ku was their poor road record, especially conference games. I guess ku was 1 - 4 for true road games (Arrowhead was more of a neutral site, despite the awesome game played there against Mizzou). ku has 5 conference road games this year, and ku fans think Colorado will be crappy (they won't), and KSU will be crappy (unknown). I think the Jayhawks can kiss their ass goodbye in Austin, and in Lubbock. Mizzou, when ku plays them late in the season, will have had a talented roster that's played 10 or 11 games to build experience, so I think Jayhawk fans underestimate them at their own risk. So, I like ku teams, think their fans suck, and believe the football squad has a tough row to hoe in 2009.
Go 'Cats!
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just listened to Petro and Steele's segment from the other day. i feel like my brain is a lot bigger. granted it was tiny like a tRex's to begin with. but now i feel like a Raptor.
http://www.stationcaster.com/player.php?s=26&c=373&f=29470
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Part of Phil Steele's assessment of ku was their poor road record, especially conference games. I guess ku was 1 - 4 for true road games (Arrowhead was more of a neutral site, despite the awesome game played there against Mizzou). ku has 5 conference road games this year, and ku fans think Colorado will be crappy (they won't), and KSU will be crappy (unknown). I think the Jayhawks can kiss their ass goodbye in Austin, and in Lubbock. Mizzou, when ku plays them late in the season, will have had a talented roster that's played 10 or 11 games to build experience, so I think Jayhawk fans underestimate them at their own risk. So, I like ku teams, think their fans suck, and believe the football squad has a tough row to hoe in 2009.
Go 'Cats!
I don't hate Phil Steele, i think he has HFBIQ and does a great assessment. That being said, he did call for ku to finish 4th in 07, even with the schedule ku had. There is nothing wrong with thinking ku will struggle on the road, until they prove otherwise this will always cause people to doubt them when they have a tough schedule. I believe this year is more important than last year in terms of seeing where our program is and where it is headed. I still stand by my prediction of 11-1 or 10-2. Only losses to south teams. Yeah it's a bit homer of me, but i think the D is going to be vastly improved which will be troubling for other teams.
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11-1? 10-2? Try 7-5. Dream on. Yes, you are a homer.
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11-1? 10-2? Try 7-5. Dream on. Yes, you are a homer.
i am, but i still believe it. who are the 5 losses?
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man, this thread really snowballed
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man, this thread really snowballed
True dat. Classy bastages !
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I'd say ku goes 8-4 with losses to OU, TT, UT, and one from either MU, NU, or KSU. Keep dreaming of 11-1 or 10-2.
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Hey Loser.......one thing PS didn't factor in are injuries and that Little Midget of a QB at GayU is due to get blowin up some time this year........he's been lucky...in fact....the whole Damn team has been lucky w/ injuries....better hope your luck doesn't run out........................ :dancin:
apparently you didn't watch many ku games last year.
The Midget better stay healthy....just sayin.................. :lick:
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I'd say ku goes 8-4 with losses to OU, TT, UT, and one from either MU, NU, or KSU. Keep dreaming of 11-1 or 10-2.
I do not think they lose any North games and takes 1 possibly 2 from the south. Keep dreaming that KSU can hang with ku this year.
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Hey Loser.......one thing PS didn't factor in are injuries and that Little Midget of a QB at GayU is due to get blowin up some time this year........he's been lucky...in fact....the whole Damn team has been lucky w/ injuries....better hope your luck doesn't run out........................ :dancin:
apparently you didn't watch many ku games last year.
The Midget better stay healthy....just sayin.................. :lick:
He beat moo and almost unl while he was nursing some injuries. Kid is tough no matter how sparkly he looks.
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Gotta admit . . . the resident validators are trying to cash in a lot of chips early this year.
They've pretty much already crowned themselves Big 12 Champions in Football and National Champions in basketball.
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I'd say ku goes 8-4 with losses to OU, TT, UT, and one from either MU, NU, or KSU. Keep dreaming of 11-1 or 10-2.
I'd add a loss at Colorado. They will not be the '07 Buffs. The '08 Buffs, according to Phil Steele, only missed bowl eligbility by a 57 yd Nebraska field goal in the NU-Colorado game. Steele ranked both CU lines top 40.
ku could lose more than 1 from the NU, MU, KSU games.
Call it 7-5.
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Hey Loser.......one thing PS didn't factor in are injuries and that Little Midget of a QB at GayU is due to get blowin up some time this year........he's been lucky...in fact....the whole Damn team has been lucky w/ injuries....better hope your luck doesn't run out........................ :dancin:
apparently you didn't watch many ku games last year.
The Midget better stay healthy....just sayin.................. :lick:
He beat moo and almost unl while he was nursing some injuries. Kid is tough no matter how sparkly he looks.
Better hope Fat A** can keep him out of the Bars................
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How can you blame a missed tackle on Clint Bowen? Players have been learning how to tackle since pee wee football. The coaches work on fundamentals during the off-season, but you're naive if you think ku practices tackling formation on a regular basis.
At the D-1 level, the players are required to practice and play at 100% all of the time.
Wow... clearly bentard has not played much football at ANY level by the looks of this post. The two most fundamental skills in football are blocking and tackling. BOTH are practiced DAILY by teams at ALL levels from pee-wee to the NFL.
Now, with that said, to think that collegiate and NFL players always practice all skills, drills, and scrimmaged plays at 100% is as ludicrous as it is assinine. You'd have everybody hurt by the third week of the season if you practiced "100% all of the time".
No charge.
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Gotta admit . . . the resident validators are trying to cash in a lot of chips early this year.
They've pretty much already crowned themselves Big 12 Champions in Football and National Champions in basketball.
If you look at my past posts I've never guaranteed any of the above. I think we will play in the B12CG but I am not expecting a win in it. As for bball? Who knows with some of the clowns (henry's) and their dad's mouth. Could implode, could win it all.
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almost beat unl...hee hee. No he didnt, silly
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Gotta admit . . . the resident validators are trying to cash in a lot of chips early this year.
They've pretty much already crowned themselves Big 12 Champions in Football and National Champions in basketball.
If you look at my past posts I've never guaranteed any of the above. I think we will play in the B12CG but I am not expecting a win in it. As for bball? Who knows with some of the clowns (henry's) and their dad's mouth. Could implode, could win it all.
So what makes you think that uk will win one of those three games (vs. south opponents) during the regular season, but couldn't beat them in the B12CG?
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Hey Loser.......one thing PS didn't factor in are injuries and that Little Midget of a QB at GayU is due to get blowin up some time this year........he's been lucky...in fact....the whole Damn team has been lucky w/ injuries....better hope your luck doesn't run out........................ :dancin:
apparently you didn't watch many ku games last year.
The Midget better stay healthy....just sayin.................. :lick:
He beat moo and almost unl while he was nursing some injuries. Kid is tough no matter how sparkly he looks.
Better hope Fat A** can keep him out of the Bars................
WTF are you talking about
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Gotta admit . . . the resident validators are trying to cash in a lot of chips early this year.
They've pretty much already crowned themselves Big 12 Champions in Football and National Champions in basketball.
If you look at my past posts I've never guaranteed any of the above. I think we will play in the B12CG but I am not expecting a win in it. As for bball? Who knows with some of the clowns (henry's) and their dad's mouth. Could implode, could win it all.
So what makes you think that uk will win one of those three games (vs. south opponents) during the regular season, but couldn't beat them in the B12CG?
I think the team (or one of the teams) that beats ku from the south will also beat them in the B12CG. I am pretty sure it will not be TT.
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No charge.
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Thanks
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VT had no business being ranked in the top 10 in the AP poll anyway. They played in the worst conference that season. The ACC was pathetic.
Actually the Pac10 was worse.
Being better than the Pac 10 doesn't say much
Says ku probably would have rolled the Pac 10 Champs. LOL how USC deserved their #3 ranking but VT didn't deserve #9.
Are you seriously trying to say that uk was a better team than USC that year? Please tell me at which positions uk was more talented or better coached than USC. Jesus dude, USC's 2 deep would have rolled you. They had like 7 high school AAs at RB that year. Yeah, they &@#%ed up and lost to a bad Stanford team, but that certainly doesn't mean that uk was a better team that year. You sir, are a retard.
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Gotta admit . . . the resident validators are trying to cash in a lot of chips early this year.
They've pretty much already crowned themselves Big 12 Champions in Football and National Champions in basketball.
If you look at my past posts I've never guaranteed any of the above. I think we will play in the B12CG but I am not expecting a win in it. As for bball? Who knows with some of the clowns (henry's) and their dad's mouth. Could implode, could win it all.
So what makes you think that uk will win one of those three games (vs. south opponents) during the regular season, but couldn't beat them in the B12CG?
I think the team (or one of the teams) that beats ku from the south will also beat them in the B12CG. I am pretty sure it will not be TT.
Of course, dude. I mean, you guys were so close to beating TT last year, and you have some incoming freshman that are practicing well, so why on earth wouldn't you beat them this year?
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if ku doesn't win the north does kufan get mad at Mangino or will they just lose interest? if ku doesn't win the north now do they just quit trying at football for fear of infraction hurting the hoops program? in this risk/reward scenario i would quit trying at football
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VT had no business being ranked in the top 10 in the AP poll anyway. They played in the worst conference that season. The ACC was pathetic.
Actually the Pac10 was worse.
Being better than the Pac 10 doesn't say much
Says ku probably would have rolled the Pac 10 Champs. LOL how USC deserved their #3 ranking but VT didn't deserve #9.
Are you seriously trying to say that uk was a better team than USC that year? Please tell me at which positions uk was more talented or better coached than USC. Jesus dude, USC's 2 deep would have rolled you. They had like 7 high school AAs at RB that year. Yeah, they fracked up and lost to a bad Stanford team, but that certainly doesn't mean that uk was a better team that year. You sir, are a retard.
12 - 1 SOS of 72
11 - 2 SOS of 73
Which one is ku and which one is USC? ku didn't frack up and lose to any bad teams that year. Thanks for the retard comment though, shows your intellectual skills.
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You know I once tried to make an argument that the 1993 K-State which played #3, #16, #17 (Final Polls) Nebraska, CU and OU on back-to-back-to back saturadays. . . that if K-State would've won the NU game (lost 45-28 as nu pulled away late in Lincoln), and beat CU (tied 16-16) and then not screwed up and lost @ Iowa State (seriously WTF), that K-State would've played for the National Title. Ah yes, good times.
Dang, nationally ranked NU, CU and OU on back-to-back-to-back weekends . . . the modern day version of Mark Mangino would've coughed up a 20oz ribeye and died facing that gauntlet. That's more games against final Top 25 teams in the span of 3 weeks, than Mangino faced during 2 full regular seasons in 2006 and 2007.
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How can 'Pad and his cult following act like it's easy to win in Manhattan, Boulder, Stillwater, or College Station? Texas couldn't beat A&M in College Station in '07. Oklahoma couldn't beat Colorado in Boulder in '07. Heck, Texas lost at home to K-State that year. Also, it's hilarious watching K-State fans try to put down Va Tech, like they're some mediocre ACC program. Va Tech has won 10+ games for five years in a row... they're in the midst of their own "DoD." Speaking of the ACC, take a look at that conference. Every program except for Duke has been solid over the past few years. Florida St, Boston College, Georgia Tech, Maryland, UNC, Wake Forest, Clemson, Miami (FL), NC State, etc. That's no cakewalk. In fact, I think it's better from top to bottom than the Big East, Pac 10, and Big 10. I don't care what anyone says. Now, back to ku's '07 schedule... 6 out of the 13 games were against bowl teams, including two teams that finished in the top 10. The team featured a top 20 NFL Draft pick at CB, a 2nd-team AA at LT, and the Big 12 DPOY at DT. They also lost a 1,000 yard rusher in Brandon McAnderson, and a couple NFL Draft picks in Marcus Henry (WR) and Derek Fine (TE). The '07 team was superior to the '08 team. There's really no denying it.
Now, did ku fans expect the '08 team to be better than 8-5? I'd say most ku fans would have predicted 9-4 or 10-3 if you include the bowl game. ku was actually pretty close to 9-4 if you look at how close that South Florida game was. ku had a chance to win at the end, but Reesing threw an INT and South Florida made a last-second FG. If ku beats Nebraska in Lincoln, they win the North. So while '08 wasn't the type of season that ku fans were hoping for, it wasn't a complete failure, either. ku was able to beat both K-State and Mizzou, and went to its first ever back-to-back bowl game. Laugh all you want, but K-State didn't create "DoD" overnight. Call me a homer all you want, but ku and Nebraska are the favorites to win the North in '09. No one in the North brings back a QB with as much experience and talent as Reesing. No one in the North has a receiving corp like ku. Sure, ku's schedule is tough, but like I said, I expect ku's defense to be much improved next year. ku's offense will be tough to stop, and if the defense is as improved as I think it will be, ku's going to be really, really good.
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No one cares anymore Ben . . . go explain it all back in Tardville.
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No one cares anymore Ben . . . go explain it all back in Tardville.
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Reconcile yourself to the reality that no team ku played in conference play in 2007 finished above .500 in conference play except for MU, and ku lost that game. Reconcile yourself to the reality that ku finished the regular season with a 77th rated SOS
The average total defense rankings of ku's Big 12 Opponents in 2007 . . .83rd. Number of defenses that ku faced in the Top 60 in the country in conference play in 2007 . . . 1 . . . MU at 59th.
Average Total Defense Rankings for all of ku's 2007 regular season opponents . . . 88th. ku played the 101st, 110th, 112th, 109th, 102nd and 105th rated defenses in the country in 2007. Yes, ku played 6 of the worst defenses in college football in 2007, that's half the schedule right there.
As a comparison . . . K-State's conference opponents average defensive rankings . . .63rd. Highest Defense rank K-State faced was . . . 6th (ku . . . 59th), next highest was 12th (ku's next highest . . . 64th). K-State opponents average defensive ranking-all . . . 66th (ku . . . 88th).
Scoring Defense (Opponents) Average Rank:
ku: 89th. Highest Ranked: 49th, next highest 75th. Lowest Ranked 116th, number of scoring defenses ranked in the top 60 . . . 1. ku played against the 111th, 116th, 115th, 112th, and 114th ranked scoring defenses in the country in the 2007 regular season, that's 5 games against literally the worst scoring defenses in college football.
As a comparison-
K-State: 64th. Highest Ranked: 4th, next highest ranked 6th, lowest ranked 114th, number of scoring defenses in the Top 60 . . .4.
And Bill Snyder turned away in horror . . .
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Reconcile yourself to the reality that no team ku played in conference play in 2007 finished above .500 in conference play except for MU,
that is unreal
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Conference record of ku's 2007 big 12 opponents: 26-38
ku's 2007 regular season opponents: 65-87
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Conference record of ku's 2007 big 12 opponents: 26-38
ku's 2007 regular season opponents: 65-87
pretty much like ksu in 1997.
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Reconcile yourself to the reality that no team ku played in conference play in 2007 finished above .500 in conference play except for MU, and ku lost that game. Reconcile yourself to the reality that ku finished the regular season with a 77th rated SOS
The average total defense rankings of ku's Big 12 Opponents in 2007 . . .83rd. Number of defenses that ku faced in the Top 60 in the country in conference play in 2007 . . . 1 . . . MU at 59th.
Average Total Defense Rankings for all of ku's 2007 regular season opponents . . . 88th. ku played the 101st, 110th, 112th, 109th, 102nd and 105th rated defenses in the country in 2007. Yes, ku played 6 of the worst defenses in college football in 2007, that's half the schedule right there.
As a comparison . . . K-State's conference opponents average defensive rankings . . .63rd. Highest Defense rank K-State faced was . . . 6th (ku . . . 59th), next highest was 12th (ku's next highest . . . 64th). K-State opponents average defensive ranking-all . . . 66th (ku . . . 88th).
Scoring Defense (Opponents) Average Rank:
ku: 89th. Highest Ranked: 49th, next highest 75th. Lowest Ranked 116th, number of scoring defenses ranked in the top 60 . . . 1. ku played against the 111th, 116th, 115th, 112th, and 114th ranked scoring defenses in the country in the 2007 regular season, that's 5 games against literally the worst scoring defenses in college football.
As a comparison-
K-State: 64th. Highest Ranked: 4th, next highest ranked 6th, lowest ranked 114th, number of scoring defenses in the Top 60 . . .4.
And Bill Snyder turned away in horror . . .
First of all, I'd just like to say that I can literally feel the bitterness and jealousy popping out of the computer screen. Holy smokes... that is quite the tit fit. Now, if I may...
1. It's so convenient how you limit everything to the regular season. As I've pointed out, ku's conference schedule was determined by the Big 12. It had nothing to do with ku. Central Michigan was a bowl team and Toledo beat ku the year before. The non-con schedule was more difficult than the cupcakes Bill Snyder used to schedule at K-State.
2. ku did what it was supposed to do against less talented teams. Programs such as USC, Oklahoma, and LSU did not.
3. That second-highest ranked defense that K-State faced was ku at #12. Thanks for pointing that out for us... Oh, and Va Tech was ranked #4 overall in total defense, by the way.
:thumbsup:
4. In 2007, ku ranked #8 in the country in total offense. ku's defense (ranked #12 overall) faced three top 10 offenses in (5) Mizzou, (7) Oklahoma St, and (9) Nebraska. ku's defense also faced (40) K-State and (58) Texas A&M.
5. As I've pointed out, ku won road games in Manhattan, Boulder, Stillwater, and College Station. Since when were those easy places to win? Oklahoma lost to Colorado that year in Boulder. Texas lost to K-State that year at home. Texas also lost in College Station that season. It's not like ku was just playing a bunch of nobodies. I'd like to see how many teams go into Stillwater next season and come out with a victory.
...don't look now, Bill Snyder just scheduled his 2nd D-1AA school for the '09 season.
:woot:
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Now, did ku fans expect the '08 team to be better than 8-5? I'd say most ku fans would have predicted 9-4 or 10-3 if you include the bowl game. ku was actually pretty close to 9-4 if you look at how close that South Florida game was
ku wasn't anything close to 9 wins last year. mu game should have been a loss, cu and isu weren't blowouts either. usf was close, but that one makes sense. usf was lame last year.
9 wins is a big deal, ku was hardly a 9 win ball club.
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Now, did ku fans expect the '08 team to be better than 8-5? I'd say most ku fans would have predicted 9-4 or 10-3 if you include the bowl game. ku was actually pretty close to 9-4 if you look at how close that South Florida game was
ku wasn't anything close to 9 wins last year. mu game should have been a loss, cu and isu weren't blowouts either. usf was close, but that one makes sense. usf was lame last year.
9 wins is a big deal, ku was hardly a 9 win ball club.
ku was winning the South Florida game, 24-3. It was an absolute meltdown in the 3rd quarter that allowed South Florida to come back. ku should have won that game and been 9-4. ku dominated most of the Mizzou game as well and was leading Nebraska at halftime in Lincoln. The Iowa State game was one of those "trap" games that can happen to a team that's not used to winning on the road.
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ku was winning the South Florida game, 24-3. It was an absolute meltdown in the 3rd quarter that allowed South Florida to come back. ku should have won that game and been 9-4. ku dominated most of the Mizzou game as well and was leading Nebraska at halftime in Lincoln. The Iowa State game was one of those "trap" games that can happen to a team that's not used to winning on the road.
dear god. you two are perfect for each other. :rolleyes:
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ku was winning the South Florida game, 24-3. It was an absolute meltdown in the 3rd quarter that allowed South Florida to come back. ku should have won that game and been 9-4. ku dominated most of the Mizzou game as well and was leading Nebraska at halftime in Lincoln. The Iowa State game was one of those "trap" games that can happen to a team that's not used to winning on the road.
dear god. you two are perfect for each other. :rolleyes:
Go back and watch the games, fats. I don't see how you can say a team with 8 wins wasn't close to 9 wins, especially when ku was leading that South Florida game, 24-3, at one point. ku had the ball with a chance to win at the end and Reesing threw an INT. It was a very close game. The Mizzou game was crazy as well, but ku dominated the ball (36 minutes to Mizzou's 24) and jumped out to a 26-10 lead. The ku/Nebraska game was 31-28 (Nebraska) with just over 9 minutes left in the 4th quarter. It was a pretty close game that might have been different if Reesing wasn't playing injured. Like I said, ku was close to 9-4 in more ways than one.
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I am not bitter at all . . . I just enjoy destroying you on this because the numbers simply don't lie. You can concoct all the anecdotal information you want about this or that, but the numbers simply are what they are. No wins over any conference team that finished above .500 in conference play, regular season opponents finished over 20 games below .500, a 77th rated regular season SOS, half the schedule against the worst defenses in college football. .
I use the regular season because that's how you get to a bowl game right?? Unless you have some other formula that they use.
What happened the next year when ku played a real schedule . . . 5 losses. Someday you'll actually admit to yourself that the perfect cupcake storm came together for a good, but not great ku football team.
In terms of Snyder's scheduling, I've never attempted to deny that he's scheduled very softly.
Gosh Ben, if only K-State's Center hadn't snapped the ball over Matt Miller's head against CU in 1996, K-State would've won that game and possibly gotten a major bowl bid. Gosh, if only Russ Campbell had caught that pass in the endzone in Lincoln in 1991, K-State would've upset Nebraska on the road in Snyder's 2nd year at K-State. Gosh, if only the ref would've called pass interference against Nebraska when they tripped Kevin Lockett streaking wide open down the sidelines, or only if Chad May hadn't thrown 2 INT's against powerhouse CU the next weekend in Boulder, K-State would've won the Big 8 in 1994. See, we can do that Bull$hit all day long. :rolleyes:
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I am not bitter at all . . . I just enjoy destroying you on this because the numbers simply don't lie. You can concoct all the anecdotal information you want about this or that, but the numbers simply are what they are. No wins over any conference team that finished above .500 in conference play, regular season opponents finished over 20 games below .500, a 77th rated regular season SOS, half the schedule against the worst defenses in college football. .
I use the regular season because that's how you get to a bowl game right?? Unless you have some other formula that they use.
What happened the next year when ku played a real schedule . . . 5 losses. Someday you'll actually admit to yourself that the perfect cupcake storm came together for a good, but not great ku football team.
In terms of Snyder's scheduling, I've never attempted to deny that he's scheduled very softly.
Gosh Ben, if only K-State's Center hadn't snapped the ball over Matt Miller's head against CU in 1996, K-State would've won that game and possibly gotten a major bowl bid. Gosh, if only Russ Campbell had caught that pass in the endzone in Lincoln in 1991, K-State would've upset Nebraska on the road in Snyder's 2nd year at K-State. Gosh, if only the ref would've called pass interference against Nebraska when they tripped Kevin Lockett streaking wide open down the sidelines, or only if Chad May hadn't thrown 2 INT's against powerhouse CU the next weekend in Boulder, K-State would've won the Big 8 in 1994. See, we can do that Bull$hit all day long. :rolleyes:
If only the ref would have called that facemask. :)
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I am not bitter at all . . . I just enjoy destroying you on this because the numbers simply don't lie. You can concoct all the anecdotal information you want about this or that, but the numbers simply are what they are. No wins over any conference team that finished above .500 in conference play, regular season opponents finished over 20 games below .500, a 77th rated regular season SOS, half the schedule against the worst defenses in college football. .
I use the regular season because that's how you get to a bowl game right?? Unless you have some other formula that they use.
What happened the next year when ku played a real schedule . . . 5 losses. Someday you'll actually admit to yourself that the perfect cupcake storm came together for a good, but not great ku football team.
In terms of Snyder's scheduling, I've never attempted to deny that he's scheduled very softly.
Gosh Ben, if only K-State's Center hadn't snapped the ball over Matt Miller's head against CU in 1996, K-State would've won that game and possibly gotten a major bowl bid. Gosh, if only Russ Campbell had caught that pass in the endzone in Lincoln in 1991, K-State would've upset Nebraska on the road in Snyder's 2nd year at K-State. Gosh, if only the ref would've called pass interference against Nebraska when they tripped Kevin Lockett streaking wide open down the sidelines, or only if Chad May hadn't thrown 2 INT's against powerhouse CU the next weekend in Boulder, K-State would've won the Big 8 in 1994. See, we can do that Bull$hit all day long. :rolleyes:
If only the ref would have called that facemask. :)
Lynch mob dude, they wouldn't have scored anyway.
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I am not bitter at all . . . I just enjoy destroying you on this because the numbers simply don't lie. You can concoct all the anecdotal information you want about this or that, but the numbers simply are what they are. No wins over any conference team that finished above .500 in conference play, regular season opponents finished over 20 games below .500, a 77th rated regular season SOS, half the schedule against the worst defenses in college football. .
I use the regular season because that's how you get to a bowl game right?? Unless you have some other formula that they use.
What happened the next year when ku played a real schedule . . . 5 losses. Someday you'll actually admit to yourself that the perfect cupcake storm came together for a good, but not great ku football team.
In terms of Snyder's scheduling, I've never attempted to deny that he's scheduled very softly.
Gosh Ben, if only K-State's Center hadn't snapped the ball over Matt Miller's head against CU in 1996, K-State would've won that game and possibly gotten a major bowl bid. Gosh, if only Russ Campbell had caught that pass in the endzone in Lincoln in 1991, K-State would've upset Nebraska on the road in Snyder's 2nd year at K-State. Gosh, if only the ref would've called pass interference against Nebraska when they tripped Kevin Lockett streaking wide open down the sidelines, or only if Chad May hadn't thrown 2 INT's against powerhouse CU the next weekend in Boulder, K-State would've won the Big 8 in 1994. See, we can do that Bull$hit all day long. :rolleyes:
If only the ref would have called that facemask. :)
Lynch mob dude, they wouldn't have scored anyway.
what? they kinda scored at will for most of that game didn't they? what was the final?
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Offense only scored 6 points in 2nd half
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B-b-b-b-but ... ku! ku! ku! What does Fill Steal know? ku! ku! ku! Helloooooo! Other fans on the K-State board wanting attention! Over here in the corner! I'm the midget wearing crimson and blue lederhosen and the novelty plastic nose that looks like a penis! ku! ku! Uhhhhhhhh, ku? Mister, I said ku! ku, dammit all to hell!
Hello? ku? I said ku. Hello?
Validate me! Validate me! For the love of Gah-ah-ah-ah-ahhhhhhhhd! Validay-ay-ay-ay-ate meeeeee!
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ku was winning the South Florida game, 24-3. It was an absolute meltdown in the 3rd quarter that allowed South Florida to come back. ku should have won that game and been 9-4. ku dominated most of the Mizzou game as well and was leading Nebraska at halftime in Lincoln. The Iowa State game was one of those "trap" games that can happen to a team that's not used to winning on the road.
dear god. you two are perfect for each other. :rolleyes:
(http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:y7AhUWeRkCocWM:http://jiveturkey.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/evil-spock.jpg) vs (http://tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:m9r1NYq1dNaRjM:http://haldolongwidget.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/spock.jpg) :blindfold:
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what? they kinda scored at will for most of that game didn't they? what was the final?
not really. you haven't seen "scored at will" until you've watched ksu defense the last 4 years. nubbs had 30 points with 7 coming from a fumble return. here's your box:
http://www.huskerpedia.com/games/1998/ksu98.html
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do we have a emoticon for a broken record yet? it should be bmw's sig
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what? they kinda scored at will for most of that game didn't they? what was the final?
not really. you haven't seen "scored at will" until you've watched ksu defense the last 4 years. nubbs had 30 points with 7 coming from a fumble return. here's your box:
http://www.huskerpedia.com/games/1998/ksu98.html
Thanks for the box. I knew it was high scoring for 1998. I seen on you tube that this was the game that introduced the kats to the world, do you agree with that?
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B-b-b-b-but ... ku! ku! ku! What does Fill Steal know? ku! ku! ku! Helloooooo! Other fans on the K-State board wanting attention! Over here in the corner! I'm the midget wearing crimson and blue lederhosen and the novelty plastic nose that looks like a penis! ku! ku! Uhhhhhhhh, ku? Mister, I said ku! ku, dammit all to hell!
Hello? ku? I said ku. Hello?
Validate me! Validate me! For the love of Gah-ah-ah-ah-ahhhhhhhhd! Validay-ay-ay-ay-ate meeeeee!
Lol.
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People forget that NU got a free TD on a horrible fumble call. The replay clearly showed that our RB was down before he fumbled and that the ground caused the fumble. Unfortunatley, there was no instant replay back then and there wouldn't be for another 8 years or so. We also do not know if NU would have scored. I think that our defense would have held NU, especially with the extremely loud crowd helping, but we'll never know.
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Did someone say "52-21?"
(http://media.lawrence.com/img/photos/2008/11/01/ku_fbc_ksu_rg_brisco_2nd_half166_t640.jpg)
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Games in purple pants, Don't Count!!!! :cyclist: :nahnah:
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5. As I've pointed out, ku won road games in Manhattan, Boulder, Stillwater, and College Station. Since when were those easy places to win? Oklahoma lost to Colorado that year in Boulder. Texas lost to K-State that year at home. Texas also lost in College Station that season. It's not like ku was just playing a bunch of nobodies. I'd like to see how many teams go into Stillwater next season and come out with a victory.
I'm still convinced that the win at Manhattan was the springboard for ku being able to get those 4 road wins. Up to that point, there was still that lingering doubt that ku could win on the road. KSU had a chance to really dominate the 1st Qtr of that game and put their foot on the Hawk's throat. But Prince & Co were out coached by 'Gino & staff, the KSU players were not physically conditioned to compete for a full 40 min, and ku escaped with a win. ku then won close games at CU and A&M. Without the confidence & momentum gained by winning at KSU, I don't think they get both those wins.
Thank You Ron Prince :curse:
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i believe i may be able to settle this dispute, Ksu>ku. while ku was amazing in 07, ksu had many years where they were amazing too. i think there are some videos documenting said years. YW
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ku and Nebraska are the favorites to win the North in '09.
Based upon 08 results and what they both have returning, most would agree, although both have major questions to be answered. NU the QB, LBs, and proving 08's results (like in horse), ku the OL, LB's, DL, & D coaching. Looking at schedule, NU looks to be the favorite and if the breaks go against the hawks, they could finish a lot lower than they should (kind of like the 07 perfect storm in reverse).
No one in the North brings back a QB with as much experience and talent as Reesing. No one in the North has a receiving corp like ku.
No argument here. An experienced productive QB is almost as important as a good point guard in NCAA BB. As much as ku rivals hate TR and love to laugh at his short comings, I think most would give him props on his on-field performance. If the questions on OL can be answered, and yes a HS TE converted DE RS Fr starting at LT is a HUGE question, the offense has a chance to be one of the best in the league.
I expect ku's defense to be much improved next year. and if the defense is as improved as I think it will be, ku's going to be really, really good.
Great, I respect your opinion. But you do know what opinions are like don't you? You can state this opinion all you like, but as you can see from the last 7 pages of worthless banter, the KSU fans aren't going to validate your opinion, and there are a lot arguments to poke holes in your opinion. As I've said before, getting your hopes up based upon incoming players and players that have yet to prove they can be more than back-ups, is nothing but a recipe for disappointment. I should know, I've been there.
:cheers:
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i believe i may be able to settle this dispute, Ksu>ku. while ku was amazing in 07, ksu had many years where they were amazing too. i think there are some videos documenting said years. YW
Please, you still need 3 more DoD's to even the series.
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LOL . . . 77 SOS, played 6 of the worst defenses in college football, no conference teams that finished above .500 in conference, lost the only regular season game against a Final Top 25 team, 24 regular season games over a 2 year period and only 1 of those was against a Final Top 25 team, 1 winning season in conference since the inception of the league, 1 regular season win over a Final Top 25 in the Mangino era . . . everybody kiss our a$$, everybody validate us.
Only Tardville can try and pull that off.
To Tardville . . . :beerchug:
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LOL . . . 77 SOS, played 6 of the worst defenses in college football, no conference teams that finished above .500 in conference, lost the only regular season game against a Final Top 25 team, 24 regular season games over a 2 year period and only 1 of those was against a Final Top 25 team, 1 winning season in conference since the inception of the league, 1 regular season win over a Final Top 25 in the Mangino era . . . everybody kiss our a$$, everybody validate us.
Only Tardville can try and pull that off.
To Tardville . . . :beerchug:
you really need to come up with something new. i'm not here seeking any type of validation. You won't change my mind about how great that season was and i'm not here expecting you to agree. I'm here for the conversation and jokes, now if this was pointed at BMW i do apologize as he does need some validation. :bootyshake:
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Big Phil Steele!
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i believe i may be able to settle this dispute, Ksu>ku. while ku was amazing in 07, ksu had many years where they were amazing too. i think there are some videos documenting said years. YW
Please, you still need 3 more DoD's to even the series.
Is there a prize for evening the series? I think ukans would drop football before it happened to tell you the truth.
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What is it since they started the Governors Cup??
Something like 20-19-1 . . but that's "only" 40 years, and that's just not a long enough period of time for all those old timer ku "fans".
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What is it since they started the Governors Cup??
Something like 20-19-1 . . but that's "only" 40 years, and that's just not a long enough period of time for all those old timer ku "fans".
oh dax, you funny guy. For my son it's 2-0 ku. I guess you guys need to get to work.
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I keep seeing that "52-21" taunt on this board. Good, Lord, what kind of retard "taunts" a rival when their record is 4-9 in conference play, their team has never won the division or conference, and is taunting fans of a school that is only 1 of 6 teams to go to 11 bowl games in a row. "Harvard on the Kaw" indeed. I have to admit, I like ku's chances of going to their 3 bowl game in a row. Failing to do that at KSU gets coaches fired, but at ku, achieving that is a monumenal accomplishment.
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I keep seeing that "52-21" taunt on this board. Good, Lord, what kind of retard "taunts" a rival when their record is 4-9 in conference play, their team has never won the division or conference, and is taunting fans of a school that is only 1 of 6 teams to go to 11 bowl games in a row. "Harvard on the Kaw" indeed. I have to admit, I like ku's chances of going to their 3 bowl game in a row. Failing to do that at KSU gets coaches fired, but at ku, achieving that is a monumenal accomplishment.
it is only a recent trend at KSU. Just three coaches ago you would have been put into the hall for getting ksu to a bowl. you shouldn't start acting like a nub fan. quite being so sensitive about your DoD. u want to call ku a fluke team and not have us get a little irritated but you get all pissy if someone says anything about the DODWOWASNCAOOB12C.
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Hawks . . . remember how and still Tardville tried to invalidate what we like to call the DOD?? I run back through those years, the rankings of the teams K-State played, how programs like CU and NU were absolute powerhouses as in some of the most dominate teams in college football. I laugh when I think about how Tardville used to run around say stuff like, "K-State never plays anybody, K-State never beats anybody.". Then I look at the 2006-2007 regular seasons for ku, and I just laugh and laugh seeing how ku only played 1 team that finished the season ranked during the course of 24 regular season games. Terry Allen faced nearly twice as many ranked teams, and nearly three times as many ranked conference teams during his 5 years at ku, than Mark Mangino faced during his first 5 years at ku. Yet recall how Tardville used to float these idiotic theories that K-State built its program under Snyder when programs like OU were down (Yet programs like CU and NU won 4 national titles, and played for 2 more during Bill Snyder's first 8 years at K-State, and in 1995 4 Big 8 teams finished in the Top 10)?? Back then there was no "off years" in avoiding the conferences 2 most powerful programs like ku and Mangino get to do every 2 years.
As a comparison, Snyder's first 8 seasons look like a march through darkest recesses of hell, compared to Mangino's first 8 years which were a march through cupcake land. Seriously, how do you go 5-7 and not play a single team that finished in the final Top 25 in 2006?? 2007 and the best defense that ku faced during the regular season was . . .59th, 6 games against the absolute worst defenses in college football, a 77th Strength of Schedule?? Yet we're not supposed to at least get a little chuckle out of that??
Come on dude . . . that's why I laugh so hard when Ben gets all :mad: about that reality.
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Come on dude . . . that's why I laugh so hard when Ben gets all :mad: about that reality.
i skipped over the rest. I do agree he gets a little sensitive sometimes.
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Come on dude . . . that's why I laugh so hard when Ben gets all :mad: about that reality.
i skipped over the rest. I do agree he gets a little sensitive sometimes.
Wut
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Hawks . . . remember how and still Tardville tried to invalidate what we like to call the DOD?? I run back through those years, the rankings of the teams K-State played, how programs like CU and NU were absolute powerhouses as in some of the most dominate teams in college football. I laugh when I think about how Tardville used to run around say stuff like, "K-State never plays anybody, K-State never beats anybody.". Then I look at the 2006-2007 regular seasons for ku, and I just laugh and laugh seeing how ku only played 1 team that finished the season ranked during the course of 24 regular season games. Terry Allen faced nearly twice as many ranked teams, and nearly three times as many ranked conference teams during his 5 years at ku, than Mark Mangino faced during his first 5 years at ku. Yet recall how Tardville used to float these idiotic theories that K-State built its program under Snyder when programs like OU were down (Yet programs like CU and NU won 4 national titles, and played for 2 more during Bill Snyder's first 8 years at K-State, and in 1995 4 Big 8 teams finished in the Top 10)?? Back then there was no "off years" in avoiding the conferences 2 most powerful programs like ku and Mangino get to do every 2 years.
As a comparison, Snyder's first 8 seasons look like a march through darkest recesses of hell, compared to Mangino's first 8 years which were a march through cupcake land. Seriously, how do you go 5-7 and not play a single team that finished in the final Top 25 in 2006?? 2007 and the best defense that ku faced during the regular season was . . .59th, 6 games against the absolute worst defenses in college football, a 77th Strength of Schedule?? Yet we're not supposed to at least get a little chuckle out of that??
Come on dude . . . that's why I laugh so hard when Ben gets all :mad: about that reality.
Nail on the head jaynie...NU and CU were winning champoinships. dominant programs. face it.. ksu were also rans in the conference. solid team in the big 12...nothing more. thank you for proving my point.
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yeah, because finishing 2/3 to the national champs is awful t. tard.
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yeah, because finishing 2/3 to the national champs is awful t. tard.
never said awful but not as dominant as the purple shades suggest. 2/3 to a championship? either you're pregnant or you're not.
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Hawks . . . remember how and still Tardville tried to invalidate what we like to call the DOD?? I run back through those years, the rankings of the teams K-State played, how programs like CU and NU were absolute powerhouses as in some of the most dominate teams in college football. I laugh when I think about how Tardville used to run around say stuff like, "K-State never plays anybody, K-State never beats anybody.". Then I look at the 2006-2007 regular seasons for ku, and I just laugh and laugh seeing how ku only played 1 team that finished the season ranked during the course of 24 regular season games. Terry Allen faced nearly twice as many ranked teams, and nearly three times as many ranked conference teams during his 5 years at ku, than Mark Mangino faced during his first 5 years at ku. Yet recall how Tardville used to float these idiotic theories that K-State built its program under Snyder when programs like OU were down (Yet programs like CU and NU won 4 national titles, and played for 2 more during Bill Snyder's first 8 years at K-State, and in 1995 4 Big 8 teams finished in the Top 10)?? Back then there was no "off years" in avoiding the conferences 2 most powerful programs like ku and Mangino get to do every 2 years.
As a comparison, Snyder's first 8 seasons look like a march through darkest recesses of hell, compared to Mangino's first 8 years which were a march through cupcake land. Seriously, how do you go 5-7 and not play a single team that finished in the final Top 25 in 2006?? 2007 and the best defense that ku faced during the regular season was . . .59th, 6 games against the absolute worst defenses in college football, a 77th Strength of Schedule?? Yet we're not supposed to at least get a little chuckle out of that??
Come on dude . . . that's why I laugh so hard when Ben gets all :mad: about that reality.
Nail on the head jaynie...NU and CU were winning champoinships. dominant programs. face it.. ksu were also rans in the conference. solid team in the big 12...nothing more. thank you for proving my point.
What point was that, and when did anyone say that K-State was better than CU and Nebraska between 1990-1997??
Has anyone seen T. Brew and Tom "wushuck" Light in the same room at the same time??
If KSU was an "also ran" than ku was pretty much giving the conference a rim job during that period.
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Hawks . . . remember how and still Tardville tried to invalidate what we like to call the DOD?? I run back through those years, the rankings of the teams K-State played, how programs like CU and NU were absolute powerhouses as in some of the most dominate teams in college football. I laugh when I think about how Tardville used to run around say stuff like, "K-State never plays anybody, K-State never beats anybody.". Then I look at the 2006-2007 regular seasons for ku, and I just laugh and laugh seeing how ku only played 1 team that finished the season ranked during the course of 24 regular season games. Terry Allen faced nearly twice as many ranked teams, and nearly three times as many ranked conference teams during his 5 years at ku, than Mark Mangino faced during his first 5 years at ku. Yet recall how Tardville used to float these idiotic theories that K-State built its program under Snyder when programs like OU were down (Yet programs like CU and NU won 4 national titles, and played for 2 more during Bill Snyder's first 8 years at K-State, and in 1995 4 Big 8 teams finished in the Top 10)?? Back then there was no "off years" in avoiding the conferences 2 most powerful programs like ku and Mangino get to do every 2 years.
As a comparison, Snyder's first 8 seasons look like a march through darkest recesses of hell, compared to Mangino's first 8 years which were a march through cupcake land. Seriously, how do you go 5-7 and not play a single team that finished in the final Top 25 in 2006?? 2007 and the best defense that ku faced during the regular season was . . .59th, 6 games against the absolute worst defenses in college football, a 77th Strength of Schedule?? Yet we're not supposed to at least get a little chuckle out of that??
Come on dude . . . that's why I laugh so hard when Ben gets all :mad: about that reality.
Nail on the head jaynie...NU and CU were winning champoinships. dominant programs. face it.. ksu were also rans in the conference. solid team in the big 12...nothing more. thank you for proving my point.
What point was that, and when did anyone say that K-State was better than CU and Nebraska between 1990-1997??
Has anyone seen T. Brew and Tom "wushuck" Light in the same room at the same time??
If KSU was an "also ran" than ku was pretty much giving the conference a rim job during that period.
ku was abysmal at that time, duh......and ksuck was a good big 12 team...not great or they'd have more to show. One conference title is not dominance....and it's really history...after ku wins this year the teams will have split 5-5 I believe over the past decade. over fellas and it will never be recaptured..too much has changed. mean time I'll enjoy the hawks success while it lasts.
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I don't think anyone around here is expecting consecutive 11 win seasons again, just like we know that 2007 was and will be a statistical outlier for ku football built on the back of a joke of a schedule, and likely never to be repeated. Because while ku gets its 2 year respite from OU, Texas, and Tech . . . Okie State has improved, and the Big 12 North will be a lot tougher then it has been these last few years.
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I don't think anyone around here is expecting consecutive 11 win seasons again, just like we know that 2007 was and will be a statistical outlier for ku football built on the back of a joke of a schedule, and likely never to be repeated. Because while ku gets its 2 year respite from OU, Texas, and Tech . . . Okie State has improved, and the Big 12 North will be a lot tougher then it has been these last few years.
it is what it is...ksuck had NU and CU every year...ku has it's challenges too...I will take where the program is at with Mangino....talent continues to improve and we can have this conversation 5 years from now and know for sure.
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I don't think anyone around here is expecting consecutive 11 win seasons again, just like we know that 2007 was and will be a statistical outlier for ku football built on the back of a joke of a schedule, and likely never to be repeated. Because while ku gets its 2 year respite from OU, Texas, and Tech . . . Okie State has improved, and the Big 12 North will be a lot tougher then it has been these last few years.
it is what it is...ksuck had NU and CU every year...ku has it's challenges too...I will take where the program is at with Mangino....talent continues to improve and we can have this conversation 5 years from now and know for sure.
Sure we can, but the track record to date pretty much reveals that 2007 was and likely will be the one off season for ku football, just like 1995, and ku isn't recruiting over the top talent, and until shown otherwise I am not at all convinced that there's a lot of coaching horsepower on the defensive side of the ball at ku. Couple that with the reality that Lew Perkins is looking for any reason to can Mangino . . . there's no love between those two, and I don't care how many "cigar" stories that tardville tries to foist on us.
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5. As I've pointed out, ku won road games in Manhattan, Boulder, Stillwater, and College Station. Since when were those easy places to win? Oklahoma lost to Colorado that year in Boulder. Texas lost to K-State that year at home. Texas also lost in College Station that season. It's not like ku was just playing a bunch of nobodies. I'd like to see how many teams go into Stillwater next season and come out with a victory.
I'm still convinced that the win at Manhattan was the springboard for ku being able to get those 4 road wins. Up to that point, there was still that lingering doubt that ku could win on the road. KSU had a chance to really dominate the 1st Qtr of that game and put their foot on the Hawk's throat. But Prince & Co were out coached by 'Gino & staff, the KSU players were not physically conditioned to compete for a full 40 min, and ku escaped with a win. ku then won close games at CU and A&M. Without the confidence & momentum gained by winning at KSU, I don't think they get both those wins.
Thank You Ron Prince :curse:
I agree. I also think that the loss to ku was a turning point in the season for K-State. You guys had just beaten Texas in Austin and were ranked in the top 25, then ku comes to town and takes the wind out of your sails. From that point, K-State's season completely changed.
:cheers:
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sodj=big phil steele?
:eek:
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Hawks . . . remember how and still Tardville tried to invalidate what we like to call the DOD?? I run back through those years, the rankings of the teams K-State played, how programs like CU and NU were absolute powerhouses as in some of the most dominate teams in college football. I laugh when I think about how Tardville used to run around say stuff like, "K-State never plays anybody, K-State never beats anybody.". Then I look at the 2006-2007 regular seasons for ku, and I just laugh and laugh seeing how ku only played 1 team that finished the season ranked during the course of 24 regular season games. Terry Allen faced nearly twice as many ranked teams, and nearly three times as many ranked conference teams during his 5 years at ku, than Mark Mangino faced during his first 5 years at ku. Yet recall how Tardville used to float these idiotic theories that K-State built its program under Snyder when programs like OU were down (Yet programs like CU and NU won 4 national titles, and played for 2 more during Bill Snyder's first 8 years at K-State, and in 1995 4 Big 8 teams finished in the Top 10)?? Back then there was no "off years" in avoiding the conferences 2 most powerful programs like ku and Mangino get to do every 2 years.
As a comparison, Snyder's first 8 seasons look like a march through darkest recesses of hell, compared to Mangino's first 8 years which were a march through cupcake land. Seriously, how do you go 5-7 and not play a single team that finished in the final Top 25 in 2006?? 2007 and the best defense that ku faced during the regular season was . . .59th, 6 games against the absolute worst defenses in college football, a 77th Strength of Schedule?? Yet we're not supposed to at least get a little chuckle out of that??
Come on dude . . . that's why I laugh so hard when Ben gets all :mad: about that reality.
ku finished 6-6 that year and blew games against Toledo, Nebraska, and Baylor. That's how you go 6-6 against a relatively weak schedule.
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I don't think anyone around here is expecting consecutive 11 win seasons again, just like we know that 2007 was and will be a statistical outlier for ku football built on the back of a joke of a schedule, and likely never to be repeated. Because while ku gets its 2 year respite from OU, Texas, and Tech . . . Okie State has improved, and the Big 12 North will be a lot tougher then it has been these last few years.
it is what it is...ksuck had NU and CU every year...ku has it's challenges too...I will take where the program is at with Mangino....talent continues to improve and we can have this conversation 5 years from now and know for sure.
Sure we can, but the track record to date pretty much reveals that 2007 was and likely will be the one off season for ku football, just like 1995, and ku isn't recruiting over the top talent, and until shown otherwise I am not at all convinced that there's a lot of coaching horsepower on the defensive side of the ball at ku. Couple that with the reality that Lew Perkins is looking for any reason to can Mangino . . . there's no love between those two, and I don't care how many "cigar" stories that tardville tries to foist on us.
Don't see Mangino getting canned. ee him leaving before he gets canned. He won an OB with 2 & 3 star talent and has recently moved up to 3 and occasional 4 star talent. Recruits who would not talk to us now are considering us. A couple more successful seasons and suddenly he could get more top recruits and parlay it from there. with what he has already done it certainly is not out of the realm of posibilty.
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In games played without leather helmets it's probably pretty close. I don't think K-State won in the first 30 years of the series. But really, I could give a shi† about those games.
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Take a look at mangina. Do you really think he has two or three more years?
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Take a look at mangina. Do you really think he has two or three more years?
Yep.... especially when you compare him to an old bastard that's about to turn 70 years old.
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The stories about Mangino's eating habits are not in anyway overstated or embellished . . . the guy is pure fat pig, who eats like a pig.
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I prefer my Mangino extra large.
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Take a look at mangina. Do you really think he has two or three more years?
Yep.... especially when you compare him to an old bastard that's about to turn 70 years old.
Right but while we don't have the oldest coach in the NCAA you guys certainly have the fattest. And ol Mark has a sizable ( :lol:) lead on the rest,
1. Mark Mangino - uk
2. Charlie Weis - Notre Dame
3. Ralph Friedgen - MD
4. Tom Amstutz - Toledo
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I prefer my Mangino extra large.
:love:
Just like he likes his pizza's (consumed in one sitting) and plates of BBQ (multiple consumed in one sitting).
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I prefer my Mangino extra large.
:love:
Just like he likes his pizza's (consumed in one sitting) and plates of BBQ (multiple consumed in one sitting).
yep..that boy can eat and he's a winner! :thumbsup:
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I wouldn't be surprised if Mangino dies before Snyder.
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I prefer my Mangino extra large.
:love:
Just like he likes his pizza's (consumed in one sitting) and plates of BBQ (multiple consumed in one sitting).
yep..that boy can eat and he's a winner! :thumbsup:
Not of the North.
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I prefer my Mangino extra large.
:love:
Just like he likes his pizza's (consumed in one sitting) and plates of BBQ (multiple consumed in one sitting).
yep..that boy can eat and he's a winner! :thumbsup:
what's his record as a head coach? Let's let his numbers (w/l record, stands for wins/losses not waistline) do the talking.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Mangino dies before Snyder.
you are correct Mangino continues to suprise
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I prefer my Mangino extra large.
:love:
Just like he likes his pizza's (consumed in one sitting) and plates of BBQ (multiple consumed in one sitting).
yep..that boy can eat and he's a winner! :thumbsup:
what's his record as a head coach? Let's let his numbers (w/l record, stands for wins/losses not waistline) do the talking.
without looking? prolly not the far off from billy boy after the first seven years? :thumbsup: whats your point? you considered billy a loser after 7 seasons?
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I prefer my Mangino extra large.
:love:
Just like he likes his pizza's (consumed in one sitting) and plates of BBQ (multiple consumed in one sitting).
yep..that boy can eat and he's a winner! :thumbsup:
what's his record as a head coach? Let's let his numbers (w/l record, stands for wins/losses not waistline) do the talking.
without looking? prolly not the far off from billy boy after the first seven years? :thumbsup: whats your point? you considered billy a loser after 7 seasons?
oh you opened the gates now
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No comparison between what Snyder inherited and what Mangino inherited, and no amount of Tardville spin and historical revisionism is going change that reality.
Mangino walked into a program that was down, Snyder walked into the worst program in NCAA Division 1 college football history in the midst of a 33 game winless streak.
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I prefer my Mangino extra large.
:love:
Just like he likes his pizza's (consumed in one sitting) and plates of BBQ (multiple consumed in one sitting).
yep..that boy can eat and he's a winner! :thumbsup:
what's his record as a head coach? Let's let his numbers (w/l record, stands for wins/losses not waistline) do the talking.
without looking? prolly not the far off from billy boy after the first seven years? :thumbsup: whats your point? you considered billy a loser after 7 seasons?
oh you opened the gates now
here it is bucktooth 46-33-1. (3 bowls 2-1) MM 45-41 (4 bowls 3-1 with an OB) Mark had to play more games in the big 12 than billy in the big 8 and therefore lost more games the first 4 years when they were absolutely horrible. MM has OB victory bcs win..bucktooth conference title pretty much a push. again vlfbiq guys :thumbsup: thanks for playing
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No comparison between what Snyder inherited and what Mangino inherited, and no amount of Tardville spin and historical revisionism is going change that reality.
Mangino walked into a program that was down, Snyder walked into the worst program in NCAA Division 1 college football history in the midst of a 33 game winless streak.
excuses? Stoops came to some of MM first practices and identified 2 liget D1 prospects..both programs were horrible except ku cut it's teath in the tougher Big 12..snyder did not.
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No comparison between what Snyder inherited and what Mangino inherited, and no amount of Tardville spin and historical revisionism is going change that reality.
Mangino walked into a program that was down, Snyder walked into the worst program in NCAA Division 1 college football history in the midst of a 33 game winless streak.
excuses? Stoops came to some of MM first practices and identified 2 liget D1 prospects..both programs were horrible except ku cut it's teath in the tougher Big 12..snyder did not.
wow that is retarded.
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Again, no comparison between the 2 situations, and Snyder played at least 2 Top 25 teams every year (if not Top 10) whereas Mangino went 2 full seasons at ku and only played 1 Final Top 25 team during the regular season . . . 24 games, 1 against a Final Top 25 team . . . a loss.
I couldn't care less what Bob Stoops thought, by the start of practice in Snyder's first season, K-State had 45 guys on scholarship, and almost all of the very few legit D1 guys who would have been returning . . . .had quit. But hey, if you feel like you need to continually revise history to validate your ku fandom, don't let me stop you.
Tougher Big 12???. . . in Snyder's 7th year, 4 Big 8 teams finished in the Top 10.
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No comparison between what Snyder inherited and what Mangino inherited, and no amount of Tardville spin and historical revisionism is going change that reality.
Mangino walked into a program that was down, Snyder walked into the worst program in NCAA Division 1 college football history in the midst of a 33 game winless streak.
excuses? Stoops came to some of MM first practices and identified 2 liget D1 prospects..both programs were horrible except ku cut it's teath in the tougher Big 12..snyder did not.
:hahano: ukans cut "it's teath" on a weak Big 12 conf. schedule.
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The year is 2009. ku is the favorite to win the North while K-State is in rebuilding mode. That's really all that matters, folks.
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1996-2002 Big 12 North:
Conference Championships-3
National Titles-2
Teams in the Final Top 25: 17
2002-Current Big North:
Conference Championships: 1
National Titles-0
Teams in the Final Top 25: 6
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Keep living in the past, 'Pad. It's all you've got.
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2002-Current Big North:
Conference Championships: 1
National Titles-0
Teams in the Final Top 25: 6
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Ben...
Tell us again about how college football teams don't practice "tackling" and ALWAYS go 100% full speed in all drills and scrimmages.
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I am not living in the past at all Bentard . . . just destroying Tardville historical revisionism one post at a time.
Quite honestly, with our young, new administration I am extremely optimistic about the future.
Now . . . don't you have a preseason Big 12 North Championship party to get ready for??
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kind of funny ku's GRCOAT nearly lost to a 5-7 ron prince team.
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Now . . . don't you have a preseason Big 12 North Championship party to get ready for??
OMG, Todd's bringing his dog!!!!!!!
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Ben...
Tell us again about how college football teams don't practice "tackling" and ALWAYS go 100% full speed in all drills and scrimmages.
:popcorn:
:confused:
All I said was that college coaches usually work on fundamentals more during the off-season. At ku, the players are required to go 100% in practices and scrimmages. Not sure how they do it at K-State, but that's the way they do it at ku.
I am not living in the past at all Bentard . . . just destroying Tardville historical revisionism one post at a time.
Quite honestly, with our young, new administration I am extremely optimistic about the future.
Now . . . don't you have a preseason Big 12 North Championship party to get ready for??
Hmmmm... it looks to me like you're just trying to invalidate the great '07 season that ku experienced. Nothing more, nothing less.
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ku is the favorite to win the North.
Thanks for getting back on topic. This thread is about how the most accurate college football pre-season analyst over the last 10 years disagrees with your statement.
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Ben I am not all trying to "invalidate" ku's fine 2007 season, I just simply point out the factual reality that ku's fine 2007 was cobbled together on the back of highly mediocre competition, and against some of the worst defenses in college football. What a feast, a good offense like ku had being able to play against 6 of the worst defenses in the game, and against no defense better than 59th in the country. Other coaches would give up a testicle to be able to have that happen to them.
But if you had been following along, I was just destroying the idiocy of T. Brew and the usual ku historical revisionism.
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Coulda swore i cleared all this up last nite, but w/e
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Ben I am not all trying to "invalidate" ku's fine 2007 season, I just simply point out the factual reality that ku's fine 2007 was cobbled together on the back of highly mediocre competition, and against some of the worst defenses in college football. What a feast, a good offense like ku had being able to play against 6 of the worst defenses in the game, and against no defense better than 59th in the country. Other coaches would give up a testicle to be able to have that happen to them.
But if you had been following along, I was just destroying the idiocy of T. Brew and the usual ku historical revisionism.
Yet ku's defense went up against three top 10 offenses and finished ranked #12 overall in total defense. Seems like ku's '07 team might have just been really good.
:dunno:
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Yes Ben . . . ku did go up against 3 Top 10 Offenses, and those offense averaged 34 points against ku . . . the problem with that logic is that 2 of those offenses had 2 of the worst defenses in college football "supporting" them. The one offense that had a defense that was slightly mediocre beat ku. VT had the 100th ranked offense in the country and the 53rd ranked scoring defense . . . ku's defense rightfully should have had no problem stopping them, because a bunch of VT's scoring came off of Special Teams and Int's . . . make VT's offense beat you, and they're awful. Just be honest, in 2007 ku didn't play any team that was very capable in all facets of the game, except for Missouri. In 2008, ku played good teams, that were at least mediocre to quite good in all facets of the game, and thus ku lost 5 games.
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Yes Ben . . . ku did go up against 3 Top 10 Offenses, and those offense averaged 34 points against ku . . . the problem with that logic is that 2 of those offenses had 2 of the worst defenses in college football "supporting" them. The one offense that had a defense that was slightly mediocre beat ku. VT had the 100th ranked offense in the country and the 53rd ranked scoring defense . . . ku's defense rightfully should have had no problem stopping them, because a bunch of VT's scoring came off of Special Teams and Int's . . . make VT's offense beat you, and they're awful. Just be honest, in 2007 ku didn't play any team that was very capable in all facets of the game, except for Missouri. In 2008, ku played good teams, that were at least mediocre to quite good in all facets of the game, and thus ku lost 5 games.
That's like trying to say that K-State didn't have a good team in '03 because they went 4-7 in '04.
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Ben I am not all trying to "invalidate" ku's fine 2007 season, I just simply point out the factual reality that ku's fine 2007 was cobbled together on the back of highly mediocre competition, and against some of the worst defenses in college football. What a feast, a good offense like ku had being able to play against 6 of the worst defenses in the game, and against no defense better than 59th in the country. Other coaches would give up a testicle to be able to have that happen to them.
But if you had been following along, I was just destroying the idiocy of T. Brew and the usual ku historical revisionism.
Yet ku's defense went up against three top 10 offenses and finished ranked #12 overall in total defense. Seems like ku's '07 team might have just been really good.
:dunno:
Where do you get three top 10 offenses? I only count 1.
CMU-#21
SE Louisiana-I can't seem to find their stats.
Toledo-#32
FIU-#120
KSU-#19
Baylor-#112
Colorado-#63
aTm-#58
Nubb-#29
OSU-#23
ISU-#112
Mizzou-#9
Va Tech-#54
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/sortables?stat=team&sort=ppg&season=3&year=2007&group=80
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http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=org (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=org)
Bowl Subdivision (FBS) National Team Report
Total Offense
Year: 2007 Thru: 01/07/08 Minimum Pct. of Games Played
Rank Name Games Plays Yds Avg TDs Ydspgm Wins Losses Ties
1 Tulsa 14 1126 7615 6.76 79 543.93 10 4 0
2 Texas Tech 13 1009 6885 6.82 70 529.62 9 4 0
3 Hawaii 13 942 6657 7.07 76 512.08 12 1 0
4 Houston 13 1036 6525 6.30 59 501.92 8 5 0
5 Missouri 14 1112 6864 6.17 70 490.29 12 2 0
6 Louisville 12 909 5856 6.44 55 488.00 6 6 0
7 Oklahoma St. 13 978 6322 6.46 60 486.31 7 6 0
8 Kansas 13 988 6237 6.31 72 479.77 12 1 0
9 Nebraska 12 898 5619 6.26 53 468.25 5 7 0
10 Oregon 13 1028 6078 5.91 62 467.54 9 4 0
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Yes Ben . . . ku did go up against 3 Top 10 Offenses, and those offense averaged 34 points against ku . . . the problem with that logic is that 2 of those offenses had 2 of the worst defenses in college football "supporting" them. The one offense that had a defense that was slightly mediocre beat ku. VT had the 100th ranked offense in the country and the 53rd ranked scoring defense . . . ku's defense rightfully should have had no problem stopping them, because a bunch of VT's scoring came off of Special Teams and Int's . . . make VT's offense beat you, and they're awful. Just be honest, in 2007 ku didn't play any team that was very capable in all facets of the game, except for Missouri. In 2008, ku played good teams, that were at least mediocre to quite good in all facets of the game, and thus ku lost 5 games.
That's like trying to say that K-State didn't have a good team in '03 because they went 4-7 in '04.
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Not really, you see I am not saying that ku DID NOT have a good team in 2007, what I am saying is that 12-1 was built on the back of a very mediocre to downright bad set of opponents . . . maybe someday you'll actually admit that (well in some threads you have, you're just not smart enough to realize that here).
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ku did what a good team should have done against that particular schedule. Programs such as USC, LSU, and Oklahoma all lost to teams outside of the top 50 that year.
:rolleyes:
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I am not living in the past at all Bentard . . . just destroying Tardville historical revisionism one post at a time.
Quite honestly, with our young, new administration I am extremely optimistic about the future.
you should be. i think you guys got a good guy.
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I am not living in the past at all Bentard . . . just destroying Tardville historical revisionism one post at a time.
Quite honestly, with our young, new administration I am extremely optimistic about the future.
you should be. i think you guys got a good guy.
Yes, the decision to delay the proposed $70 million in facilities upgrades because of financial problems was a positive sign of things to come.
:flush:
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I am not living in the past at all Bentard . . . just destroying Tardville historical revisionism one post at a time.
Quite honestly, with our young, new administration I am extremely optimistic about the future.
you should be. i think you guys got a good guy.
Yes, the decision to delay the proposed $70 million in facilities upgrades because of financial problems was a positive sign of things to come.
:flush:
You shouldn't make fun of poor folks BMW. not polite.
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http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=org (http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/natlRank.jsp?year=2007&div=4&rpt=IA_teamtotoff&site=org)
Bowl Subdivision (FBS) National Team Report
Total Offense
Year: 2007 Thru: 01/07/08 Minimum Pct. of Games Played
Rank Name Games Plays Yds Avg TDs Ydspgm Wins Losses Ties
1 Tulsa 14 1126 7615 6.76 79 543.93 10 4 0
2 Texas Tech 13 1009 6885 6.82 70 529.62 9 4 0
3 Hawaii 13 942 6657 7.07 76 512.08 12 1 0
4 Houston 13 1036 6525 6.30 59 501.92 8 5 0
5 Missouri 14 1112 6864 6.17 70 490.29 12 2 0
6 Louisville 12 909 5856 6.44 55 488.00 6 6 0
7 Oklahoma St. 13 978 6322 6.46 60 486.31 7 6 0
8 Kansas 13 988 6237 6.31 72 479.77 12 1 0
9 Nebraska 12 898 5619 6.26 53 468.25 5 7 0
10 Oregon 13 1028 6078 5.91 62 467.54 9 4 0
Mizzou avg'd 490 yds/game. They hung 519 on uk.
Nub avg'd 468 yds/game. They did you for 484.
OSU avg'd 486 yds/game. They "only" managed to gain 471 on the Hawks.
Avg of 491 yds/game, or an increase of 9 yds/game. Not exactly something to brag about.
http://www.kuathletics.com/sports/m-footbl/stats/2007-2008/teamstat.html
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Ben...
Tell us again about how college football teams don't practice "tackling" and ALWAYS go 100% full speed in all drills and scrimmages.
:popcorn:
:confused:
All I said was that college coaches usually work on fundamentals more during the off-season. At ku, the players are required to go 100% in practices and scrimmages. Not sure how they do it at K-State, but that's the way they do it at ku.
I find it quite amusing that you clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about, yet maintain your stance as if you do.
You plainly stated earlier in the thread that it wasn't necessary to work on tackling during the season because the players should already know how... Remember? Let me put it in a scenario that you might better understand... It's kind of like saying that a basketball team doesn't need to work on shooting during the season because they should already know how to "shoot" by the time the season rolls around.
Secondly, the players at ALL D-1 colleges practice at the speed the coaches prescribe for each drill. If you think for a second that all scrimmaging and tackling drills during the season are done at full speed, then you are a bigger moron than I could have ever imagined.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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Again, no comparison between the 2 situations, and Snyder played at least 2 Top 25 teams every year (if not Top 10) whereas Mangino went 2 full seasons at ku and only played 1 Final Top 25 team during the regular season . . . 24 games, 1 against a Final Top 25 team . . . a loss.
I couldn't care less what Bob Stoops thought, by the start of practice in Snyder's first season, K-State had 45 guys on scholarship, and almost all of the very few legit D1 guys who would have been returning . . . .had quit. But hey, if you feel like you need to continually revise history to validate your ku fandom, don't let me stop you.
Tougher Big 12???. . . in Snyder's 7th year, 4 Big 8 teams finished in the Top 10.
you should care what stoops thought douche? NC with MM as OC. :thumbsup: your program is now going into the great wide open. no special prop considerations or personal jets to mancrappy...it's over...go ahead and live in the past. :jerkoff:
Let's just declare ku 2 decades of dominance in basketball...I mean really? 2 NC and a bunch of final 4' + elite 8's? now that's dominace over time...watch ya got douche's? let's call a spade's, spade's....you's some weak tits. :lol:
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Ben...
Tell us again about how college football teams don't practice "tackling" and ALWAYS go 100% full speed in all drills and scrimmages.
:popcorn:
:confused:
All I said was that college coaches usually work on fundamentals more during the off-season. At ku, the players are required to go 100% in practices and scrimmages. Not sure how they do it at K-State, but that's the way they do it at ku.
I find it quite amusing that you clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about, yet maintain your stance as if you do.
You plainly stated earlier in the thread that it wasn't necessary to work on tackling during the season because the players should already know how... Remember? Let me put it in a scenario that you might better understand... It's kind of like saying that a basketball team doesn't need to work on shooting during the season because they should already know how to "shoot" by the time the season rolls around.
Secondly, the players at ALL D-1 colleges practice at the speed the coaches prescribe for each drill. If you think for a second that all scrimmaging and tackling drills during the season are done at full speed, then you are a bigger moron than I could have ever imagined.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
OH...how the self proclaimed mighty have fallen :lol: funny crap. :thumbsup:
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Yeah T. Brew . . . 2 daily non-stops (jet service) from DFW to Manhattan starting right about the time recruiting season really heats up.
But you keep working it Validator Boy.
American Airlines touches every major airport (and then some) in the United States and K-State can fly'm right into Manhattan. A recruiting flying into see ku . . . multiple flights, then a 60 minute trip to Lawrence via "beautiful" I-70 from KCI (don't forget to stop by Cabelas, and Nebraska Furniture).
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Ben...
Tell us again about how college football teams don't practice "tackling" and ALWAYS go 100% full speed in all drills and scrimmages.
:popcorn:
:confused:
All I said was that college coaches usually work on fundamentals more during the off-season. At ku, the players are required to go 100% in practices and scrimmages. Not sure how they do it at K-State, but that's the way they do it at ku.
I find it quite amusing that you clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about, yet maintain your stance as if you do.
You plainly stated earlier in the thread that it wasn't necessary to work on tackling during the season because the players should already know how... Remember? Let me put it in a scenario that you might better understand... It's kind of like saying that a basketball team doesn't need to work on shooting during the season because they should already know how to "shoot" by the time the season rolls around.
Secondly, the players at ALL D-1 colleges practice at the speed the coaches prescribe for each drill. If you think for a second that all scrimmaging and tackling drills during the season are done at full speed, then you are a bigger moron than I could have ever imagined.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
First of all, who crawled up your ass and died? Second, I don't need your input when it comes to the game of football, or any sport for that matter. I've played sports and have been around sports long enough to know a thing or two. Last but not least, ku players do go 100% in practices. If you don't, you're not going to see the field very much. It's the difference between high school football and D-1, Big 12 football. Maybe they don't do it like that at K-State, which would explain why your program has been below average for all but about 12 years of its existence, but that's how they do it at ku these days.
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2009/jul/04/kansas-football-rookies-adjusting/?football (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2009/jul/04/kansas-football-rookies-adjusting/?football)
Kansas football rookies adjusting
Freshmen getting crash course in rigors of Div. I ball
(http://media.lawrence.com/img/croppedphotos/2009/02/05/recruit_t650.jpg)
So far this summer, the Jayhawker Towers dorm room belonging to Kansas University freshman football players Huldon Tharp and Tyrone Sellers Jr. has become a refuge of sorts — a place fellow freshmen can go and, while lounging on couches or fiddling with XBox controllers, air out the stresses of their current predicament.
That predicament: the adjustment to the rigors of Div. I college football.
“That definitely happens,” said Sellers, a defensive end from McCook (Neb.) High. “We’re always complaining about this or that, talking back and forth.”
While the team’s incoming freshmen appear to be settling in nicely — in addition to workouts and classes, a handful already were volunteering last weekend at the Lawrence Interdenominational Nutrition Kitchen (LINK) — they also have reached the conclusion that the relatively carefree days of high school football, where requirements are far less steep and it’s possible to coast through the occasional workout, are a thing of the past.
And it didn’t take them long to figure it out.
Players spent the first three days of summer workouts running the stairs at ku’s Memorial Stadium, step after grueling step at dawn, a not-so-subtle indication of the kind of workload incoming players can expect at the collegiate level.
“(It was) worse than our conditioning in high school for the whole year,” Tharp said.
Added Sellers, “You’re going 100 percent all the time. In high school, you take this play off or that play off in practice, but here, you’re going 100 percent, and you go until it’s the end of the drill.”
Since arriving on campus last month, players say, they have fallen into a routine, their days set up with various workouts and appointments. And each night, after a day of weights and running and tutoring and classes, they retire to their dorm rooms, fall onto couches and try to enjoy a couple hours of downtime before rising at 5 a.m. the following morning to do it all over again.
Despite the daily grind, however, players seem to have little problem embracing college life.
For one thing, Tharp says, it’s a nice to be surrounded by teammates willing to work as hard as necessary to get better — something that wasn’t always the case during his prep days.
For another, the freedom that comes with being away from home for the first time has been welcomed happily.
“Finally being on my own,” Sellers said, asked the best part about being in college. “Not having to be in my parents’ house — just (doing) whatever I want to do. I still got mandatory things I’ve got to do, but I can be free and don’t have to tell them what I’m doing or where I’m going.”
For the time being, it’s unclear which of the team’s newcomers will be in a position to make an immediate impact in 2009. That likely will be sorted out during August practices, when coaches are able to see what kinds of strides new players have made throughout the course of the summer.
In the meantime, the team’s newest members are busy settling in, acclimating themselves to the city of Lawrence and basking in the attention of a Kansas fan base that, after watching the program ascend over the past few seasons, is hungry for a Big 12 North title.
“It’s definitely cool,” Sellers said of the excitement surrounding the program. “You got a little taste of it in high school, people coming up and telling you, ‘Good game.’ But I think it’s a whole different atmosphere here. People bleed crimson and blue around here, and it’s kind of nice to have that.”
:thumbsup:
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I am not living in the past at all Bentard . . . just destroying Tardville historical revisionism one post at a time.
Quite honestly, with our young, new administration I am extremely optimistic about the future.
you should be. i think you guys got a good guy.
Yes, the decision to delay the proposed $70 million in facilities upgrades because of financial problems was a positive sign of things to come.
:flush:
That doesn't mean that they're not still working on it . . . but K-State's football facilities are just fine. A $10 million dollar top to bottom renovation of the Vanier Complex (a facility that was 20 years ahead of ku), a overhaul of the massive football only indoor practice facility (ku doesn't have one), already got the big screen videoboards, K-State has nearly twice as many suites as ku, and K-State has a 2,000 seat stadium club replete with multiple bars, private restrooms, flat screens and elevators . . . not a double wide in the endzone equipped with porta potties. :flush:
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Ben...
Tell us again about how college football teams don't practice "tackling" and ALWAYS go 100% full speed in all drills and scrimmages.
:popcorn:
:confused:
All I said was that college coaches usually work on fundamentals more during the off-season. At ku, the players are required to go 100% in practices and scrimmages. Not sure how they do it at K-State, but that's the way they do it at ku.
I find it quite amusing that you clearly don't know what the hell you're talking about, yet maintain your stance as if you do.
You plainly stated earlier in the thread that it wasn't necessary to work on tackling during the season because the players should already know how... Remember? Let me put it in a scenario that you might better understand... It's kind of like saying that a basketball team doesn't need to work on shooting during the season because they should already know how to "shoot" by the time the season rolls around.
Secondly, the players at ALL D-1 colleges practice at the speed the coaches prescribe for each drill. If you think for a second that all scrimmaging and tackling drills during the season are done at full speed, then you are a bigger moron than I could have ever imagined.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
First of all, who crawled up your ass and died? Second, I don't need your input when it comes to the game of football, or any sport for that matter. I've played sports and have been around sports long enough to know a thing or two. Last but not least, ku players do go 100% in practices. If you don't, you're not going to see the field very much. It's the difference between high school football and D-1, Big 12 football. Maybe they don't do it like that at K-State, which would explain why your program has been below average for all but about 12 years of its existence, but that's how they do it at ku these days.
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2009/jul/04/kansas-football-rookies-adjusting/?football (http://www2.kusports.com/news/2009/jul/04/kansas-football-rookies-adjusting/?football)
Kansas football rookies adjusting
Freshmen getting crash course in rigors of Div. I ball
(http://media.lawrence.com/img/croppedphotos/2009/02/05/recruit_t650.jpg)
So far this summer, the Jayhawker Towers dorm room belonging to Kansas University freshman football players Huldon Tharp and Tyrone Sellers Jr. has become a refuge of sorts — a place fellow freshmen can go and, while lounging on couches or fiddling with XBox controllers, air out the stresses of their current predicament.
That predicament: the adjustment to the rigors of Div. I college football.
“That definitely happens,” said Sellers, a defensive end from McCook (Neb.) High. “We’re always complaining about this or that, talking back and forth.”
While the team’s incoming freshmen appear to be settling in nicely — in addition to workouts and classes, a handful already were volunteering last weekend at the Lawrence Interdenominational Nutrition Kitchen (LINK) — they also have reached the conclusion that the relatively carefree days of high school football, where requirements are far less steep and it’s possible to coast through the occasional workout, are a thing of the past.
And it didn’t take them long to figure it out.
Players spent the first three days of summer workouts running the stairs at ku’s Memorial Stadium, step after grueling step at dawn, a not-so-subtle indication of the kind of workload incoming players can expect at the collegiate level.
“(It was) worse than our conditioning in high school for the whole year,” Tharp said.
Added Sellers, “You’re going 100 percent all the time. In high school, you take this play off or that play off in practice, but here, you’re going 100 percent, and you go until it’s the end of the drill.”
Since arriving on campus last month, players say, they have fallen into a routine, their days set up with various workouts and appointments. And each night, after a day of weights and running and tutoring and classes, they retire to their dorm rooms, fall onto couches and try to enjoy a couple hours of downtime before rising at 5 a.m. the following morning to do it all over again.
Despite the daily grind, however, players seem to have little problem embracing college life.
For one thing, Tharp says, it’s a nice to be surrounded by teammates willing to work as hard as necessary to get better — something that wasn’t always the case during his prep days.
For another, the freedom that comes with being away from home for the first time has been welcomed happily.
“Finally being on my own,” Sellers said, asked the best part about being in college. “Not having to be in my parents’ house — just (doing) whatever I want to do. I still got mandatory things I’ve got to do, but I can be free and don’t have to tell them what I’m doing or where I’m going.”
For the time being, it’s unclear which of the team’s newcomers will be in a position to make an immediate impact in 2009. That likely will be sorted out during August practices, when coaches are able to see what kinds of strides new players have made throughout the course of the summer.
In the meantime, the team’s newest members are busy settling in, acclimating themselves to the city of Lawrence and basking in the attention of a Kansas fan base that, after watching the program ascend over the past few seasons, is hungry for a Big 12 North title.
“It’s definitely cool,” Sellers said of the excitement surrounding the program. “You got a little taste of it in high school, people coming up and telling you, ‘Good game.’ But I think it’s a whole different atmosphere here. People bleed crimson and blue around here, and it’s kind of nice to have that.”
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Yeah T. Brew . . . 2 daily non-stops (jet service) from DFW to Manhattan starting right about the time recruiting season really heats up.
But you keep working it Validator Boy.
American Airlines touches every major airport (and then some) in the United States and K-State can fly'm right into Manhattan. A recruiting flying into see ku . . . multiple flights, then a 60 minute trip to Lawrence via "beautiful" I-70 from KCI (don't forget to stop by Cabelas, and Nebraska Furniture).
Yeah...it's the same thing douche...flying in players that can't read in a private jet is different from a connector from Dallas? and it's 40 minutes to Lawrence..must be sweet having recruits connect 2,3,4 times to get that sweet flight into mancrappy..lay down pussy :lol:
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American Airlines touches every major airport (and then some) in the United States and K-State can fly'm right into Manhattan. A recruiting flying into see ku . . . multiple flights, then a 60 minute trip to Lawrence via "beautiful" I-70 from KCI (don't forget to stop by Cabelas, and Nebraska Furniture).
still pinching myself, we truly are lucky. dax, going to take advantage soon?
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Yeah T. Brew . . . 2 daily non-stops (jet service) from DFW to Manhattan starting right about the time recruiting season really heats up.
But you keep working it Validator Boy.
American Airlines touches every major airport (and then some) in the United States and K-State can fly'm right into Manhattan. A recruiting flying into see ku . . . multiple flights, then a 60 minute trip to Lawrence via "beautiful" I-70 from KCI (don't forget to stop by Cabelas, and Nebraska Furniture).
Yeah...it's the same thing douche...flying in players that can't read in a private jet is different from a connector from Dallas? and it's 40 minutes to Lawrence..must be sweet having recruits connect 2,3,4 times to get that sweet flight into mancrappy..lay down pussy :lol:
yea man, good point. it's not like the DFW-Airport has 150+ direct domestic routes every day or anything.....
:rolleyes:
honest to god, where do these morons come from?
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American Airlines touches every major airport (and then some) in the United States and K-State can fly'm right into Manhattan. A recruiting flying into see ku . . . multiple flights, then a 60 minute trip to Lawrence via "beautiful" I-70 from KCI (don't forget to stop by Cabelas, and Nebraska Furniture).
still pinching myself, we truly are lucky. dax, going to take advantage soon?
I am seriously looking into it Fatty
. . . daily non stops straight to Manhattan right out of the recruiting hotbed of the DFW Metroplex (great selling points to parents). . . ku, catch the Southwest Flight out of Love Field after battling Dallas traffic . . . get into KCI, find your bags, get into the car . . . drive the 60 minutes from KCI via "beautiful" I-70 to Lawrence . . . great.
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The drive from KCI to Lawrence sure hasn't stopped all of these recruits from Texas from committing to ku. Look at our '10 recruiting class... loaded with Texas prospects.
:love:
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American Airlines touches every major airport (and then some) in the United States and K-State can fly'm right into Manhattan. A recruiting flying into see ku . . . multiple flights, then a 60 minute trip to Lawrence via "beautiful" I-70 from KCI (don't forget to stop by Cabelas, and Nebraska Furniture).
still pinching myself, we truly are lucky. dax, going to take advantage soon?
I am seriously looking into it Fatty
. . . daily non stops straight to Manhattan right out of the recruiting hotbed of the DFW Metroplex (great selling points to parents). . . ku, catch the Southwest Flight out of Love Field after battling Dallas traffic . . . get into KCI, find your bags, get into the car . . . drive the 60 minutes from KCI via "beautiful" I-70 to Lawrence . . . great.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!! really? before you had guys who could not read? now at least they can use the internet to know they want nothing to do with mancrappy..... :lol: give it a rest dummies... :thumbsup: the place sucks...17 olds are savvy enough to know these days they don't want to go to hillbilly heaven... it may be 40- minutes to get to lawrence from mci but it's flippin 2 hours to kc from BFE! :lol: dummies
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American Airlines touches every major airport (and then some) in the United States and K-State can fly'm right into Manhattan. A recruiting flying into see ku . . . multiple flights, then a 60 minute trip to Lawrence via "beautiful" I-70 from KCI (don't forget to stop by Cabelas, and Nebraska Furniture).
still pinching myself, we truly are lucky. dax, going to take advantage soon?
I am seriously looking into it Fatty
. . . daily non stops straight to Manhattan right out of the recruiting hotbed of the DFW Metroplex (great selling points to parents). . . ku, catch the Southwest Flight out of Love Field after battling Dallas traffic . . . get into KCI, find your bags, get into the car . . . drive the 60 minutes from KCI via "beautiful" I-70 to Lawrence . . . great.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!! really? before you had guys who could not read? now at least they can use the internet to know they want nothing to do with mancrappy..... :lol: give it a rest dummies... :thumbsup: the place sucks...17 olds are savvy enough to know these days they don't want to go to hillbilly heaven... it may be 40- minutes to get to lawrence from mci but it's flippin 2 hours to kc from BFE! :lol: dummies
just too funny :lol:
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I don't think anyone said that ku wouldn't get Texas recruits, but once the DFW-MHK jet service non-stops start up in August, it will be a major selling point to DFW prospects, plus the countless American Airlines Connections from all over the US that can then fly straight into Manhattan.
Plus, LOL . . . T. Brew and Ben have literally spent the last 8 plus hours on this board demanding validation for ku.
Kind of sad . . . really.
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American Airlines touches every major airport (and then some) in the United States and K-State can fly'm right into Manhattan. A recruiting flying into see ku . . . multiple flights, then a 60 minute trip to Lawrence via "beautiful" I-70 from KCI (don't forget to stop by Cabelas, and Nebraska Furniture).
still pinching myself, we truly are lucky. dax, going to take advantage soon?
I am seriously looking into it Fatty
. . . daily non stops straight to Manhattan right out of the recruiting hotbed of the DFW Metroplex (great selling points to parents). . . ku, catch the Southwest Flight out of Love Field after battling Dallas traffic . . . get into KCI, find your bags, get into the car . . . drive the 60 minutes from KCI via "beautiful" I-70 to Lawrence . . . great.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!! really? before you had guys who could not read? now at least they can use the internet to know they want nothing to do with mancrappy..... :lol: give it a rest dummies... :thumbsup: the place sucks...17 olds are savvy enough to know these days they don't want to go to hillbilly heaven... it may be 40- minutes to get to lawrence from mci but it's flippin 2 hours to kc from BFE! :lol: dummies
just too funny :lol:
T. Brew ='s
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
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American Airlines touches every major airport (and then some) in the United States and K-State can fly'm right into Manhattan. A recruiting flying into see ku . . . multiple flights, then a 60 minute trip to Lawrence via "beautiful" I-70 from KCI (don't forget to stop by Cabelas, and Nebraska Furniture).
still pinching myself, we truly are lucky. dax, going to take advantage soon?
I am seriously looking into it Fatty
. . . daily non stops straight to Manhattan right out of the recruiting hotbed of the DFW Metroplex (great selling points to parents). . . ku, catch the Southwest Flight out of Love Field after battling Dallas traffic . . . get into KCI, find your bags, get into the car . . . drive the 60 minutes from KCI via "beautiful" I-70 to Lawrence . . . great.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!! really? before you had guys who could not read? now at least they can use the internet to know they want nothing to do with mancrappy..... :lol: give it a rest dummies... :thumbsup: the place sucks...17 olds are savvy enough to know these days they don't want to go to hillbilly heaven... it may be 40- minutes to get to lawrence from mci but it's flippin 2 hours to kc from BFE! :lol: dummies
just too funny :lol:
T. Brew ='s
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
prepare to get manhandled this fall......i know jaynie is used to it...put up or shut up...mancrappy airport smack is pretty embarrassing in the grand scheme...ku by 35-45 this year bitch? at home? maybe you all should build a bigger airport to increase recruiting? :thumbsup: :lol: douche..after all D1 athletes can't wait to get to mancrappy.... :lol:
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American Airlines touches every major airport (and then some) in the United States and K-State can fly'm right into Manhattan. A recruiting flying into see ku . . . multiple flights, then a 60 minute trip to Lawrence via "beautiful" I-70 from KCI (don't forget to stop by Cabelas, and Nebraska Furniture).
still pinching myself, we truly are lucky. dax, going to take advantage soon?
I am seriously looking into it Fatty
. . . daily non stops straight to Manhattan right out of the recruiting hotbed of the DFW Metroplex (great selling points to parents). . . ku, catch the Southwest Flight out of Love Field after battling Dallas traffic . . . get into KCI, find your bags, get into the car . . . drive the 60 minutes from KCI via "beautiful" I-70 to Lawrence . . . great.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!! really? before you had guys who could not read? now at least they can use the internet to know they want nothing to do with mancrappy..... :lol: give it a rest dummies... :thumbsup: the place sucks...17 olds are savvy enough to know these days they don't want to go to hillbilly heaven... it may be 40- minutes to get to lawrence from mci but it's flippin 2 hours to kc from BFE! :lol: dummies
just too funny :lol:
T. Brew ='s
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
prepare to get manhandled this fall......i know jaynie is used to it...put up or shut up...mancrappy airport smack is pretty embarrassing in the grand scheme...ku by 35-45 this year bitch? at home? maybe you all should build a bigger airport to increase recruiting? :thumbsup: :lol: douche..after all D1 athletes can't wait to get to mancrappy.... :lol:
A post from someone with a clear and classic case of low self esteem, needing his sports team to validate his sad, lonely life.
All of which is . . . kind of sad really.
T. Brew has now spent the last 9 hours on a K-State bulletin board demanding that we validate ku.
Join me fellow ksu fans by including t. brew in your prayer circle.
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American Airlines touches every major airport (and then some) in the United States and K-State can fly'm right into Manhattan. A recruiting flying into see ku . . . multiple flights, then a 60 minute trip to Lawrence via "beautiful" I-70 from KCI (don't forget to stop by Cabelas, and Nebraska Furniture).
still pinching myself, we truly are lucky. dax, going to take advantage soon?
I am seriously looking into it Fatty
. . . daily non stops straight to Manhattan right out of the recruiting hotbed of the DFW Metroplex (great selling points to parents). . . ku, catch the Southwest Flight out of Love Field after battling Dallas traffic . . . get into KCI, find your bags, get into the car . . . drive the 60 minutes from KCI via "beautiful" I-70 to Lawrence . . . great.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!! really? before you had guys who could not read? now at least they can use the internet to know they want nothing to do with mancrappy..... :lol: give it a rest dummies... :thumbsup: the place sucks...17 olds are savvy enough to know these days they don't want to go to hillbilly heaven... it may be 40- minutes to get to lawrence from mci but it's flippin 2 hours to kc from BFE! :lol: dummies
just too funny :lol:
T. Brew ='s
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
prepare to get manhandled this fall......i know jaynie is used to it...put up or shut up...mancrappy airport smack is pretty embarrassing in the grand scheme...ku by 35-45 this year bitch? at home? maybe you all should build a bigger airport to increase recruiting? :thumbsup: :lol: douche..after all D1 athletes can't wait to get to mancrappy.... :lol:
A post from someone with a clear and classic case of low self esteem, needing his sports team to validate his sad, lonely life.
All of which is . . . kind of sad really.
T. Brew has now spent the last 9 hours on a K-State bulletin board demanding that we validate ku.
Join me fellow ksu fans by including t. brew in your prayer circle.
:lol: go lay down and lick yourself old bitch....you're for ksuck for god's sake...... :lol: it's over bitch..been over...keep hanging on and trying to bring others down................. :lol: too funny...pm me if you want to put cash on the game in mancrappy. :lol:
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American Airlines touches every major airport (and then some) in the United States and K-State can fly'm right into Manhattan. A recruiting flying into see ku . . . multiple flights, then a 60 minute trip to Lawrence via "beautiful" I-70 from KCI (don't forget to stop by Cabelas, and Nebraska Furniture).
still pinching myself, we truly are lucky. dax, going to take advantage soon?
I am seriously looking into it Fatty
. . . daily non stops straight to Manhattan right out of the recruiting hotbed of the DFW Metroplex (great selling points to parents). . . ku, catch the Southwest Flight out of Love Field after battling Dallas traffic . . . get into KCI, find your bags, get into the car . . . drive the 60 minutes from KCI via "beautiful" I-70 to Lawrence . . . great.
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!! really? before you had guys who could not read? now at least they can use the internet to know they want nothing to do with mancrappy..... :lol: give it a rest dummies... :thumbsup: the place sucks...17 olds are savvy enough to know these days they don't want to go to hillbilly heaven... it may be 40- minutes to get to lawrence from mci but it's flippin 2 hours to kc from BFE! :lol: dummies
just too funny :lol:
T. Brew ='s
:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
prepare to get manhandled this fall......i know jaynie is used to it...put up or shut up...mancrappy airport smack is pretty embarrassing in the grand scheme...ku by 35-45 this year bitch? at home? maybe you all should build a bigger airport to increase recruiting? :thumbsup: :lol: douche..after all D1 athletes can't wait to get to mancrappy.... :lol:
A post from someone with a clear and classic case of low self esteem, needing his sports team to validate his sad, lonely life.
All of which is . . . kind of sad really.
T. Brew has now spent the last 9 hours on a K-State bulletin board demanding that we validate ku.
Join me fellow ksu fans by including t. brew in your prayer circle.
:lol: go lay down and lick yourself old bitch....you're for ksuck for god's sake...... :lol: it's over bitch..been over...keep hanging on and trying to bring others down................. :lol: too funny...pm me if you want to put cash on the game in mancrappy. :lol:
And the anger and low self esteem just flows from every pore of T. Brew's being . . . now moving on to his 10th straight hour of trying to get ku validated on the K-State bulletin board.
All of which is . . . kind of sad really.
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A)commerical jet service and a big 12 north title.
Q)What is light years away from Lawrence, Alex?
:lol:
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If Nebraska crashes and burns, ku has a good shot at winning the North. Ditto for the 'Cats.
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If Nebraska crashes and burns, ku has a good shot at winning the North. Ditto for the 'Cats.
If?
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I just think the "can't handle multiple tough games in a row" syndrome strikes Manginoville again this year . . . no bye weeks, no 2 or 3 straight weeks facing mediocre to bad teams with the worst defenses in college football.
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I just think the "can't handle multiple tough games in a row" syndrome strikes Manginoville again this year . . . no bye weeks, no 2 or 3 straight weeks facing mediocre to bad teams with the worst defenses in college football.
Well, gee... there's a huge surprise. The ku invalidator in chief doesn't expect ku to win the North. Imagine that.
:rolleyes:
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Well, gee... there's a huge surprise. The ku invalidator in chief doesn't expect ku to win the North. Imagine that.
:rolleyes:
Why do you call Phil Steele "the ku invalidator in chief"? :dunno:
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1. ku's defense will be much better than Steele thinks. ku just signed a Juco All-American at LB who had offers to Tennessee and Oklahoma, among others. Along with that, I've heard that guys like Quinton Woods, Prinz Kande, and Kevin Young have been tearing it up in summer workouts. D-end was a weakness on the team last season, but the ku coaches have done a great job addressing that position. ku has a ton of talent at d-tackle with Johnson, Blakesley, Greene, Parish, Stevens, and Dorsey.
2. Another area that was a problem for ku's defense last year was the secondary. ku's going with more of a 4-2-5 defense next year to fight the spread. Darrell Stuckey's a 1st-team All Big 12 type of player, and then you've got guys like Justin Thornton, Daymond Patterson, Phillip Strozier, Lubbock Smith, etc, who have all been developing nicely. Thornton will play in the NFL, and Patterson could be the next star cornerback at ku when all is said and done. He's Charles Gordon with more speed and quickness.
3. As far as the schedule goes, the only other decent team in the North plays ku at home (Nebraska). CU, KSU, ISU, and MU are all going to suck next year. K-State and Iowa State will both be beyond pathetic. Mizzou loses their entire team. Colorado loses their best WR and DT from last year and brings in nothing to replace their crap talent at QB. Hawkins is gone after next season.
4. ku's beatdown of K-State will be even worse than it was last season. 52-21 will look respectable compared to the absolute skull f*cking that ku will unleash on K-State. Mangino would love nothing more than to make Old Balls regret coming out of retirement, and you can bet that he won't hold back like he did for Prince last season. ku could have hung up 70+ on K-State last year, but Mangino had too much class to rub it in. Next year, Old Balls won't be so lucky.
this is just classic :popcorn: type of stuff. omg
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elite bump
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1. ku's defense will be much better than Steele thinks. ku just signed a Juco All-American at LB who had offers to Tennessee and Oklahoma, among others. Along with that, I've heard that guys like Quinton Woods, Prinz Kande, and Kevin Young have been tearing it up in summer workouts. D-end was a weakness on the team last season, but the ku coaches have done a great job addressing that position. ku has a ton of talent at d-tackle with Johnson, Blakesley, Greene, Parish, Stevens, and Dorsey.
2. Another area that was a problem for ku's defense last year was the secondary. ku's going with more of a 4-2-5 defense next year to fight the spread. Darrell Stuckey's a 1st-team All Big 12 type of player, and then you've got guys like Justin Thornton, Daymond Patterson, Phillip Strozier, Lubbock Smith, etc, who have all been developing nicely. Thornton will play in the NFL, and Patterson could be the next star cornerback at ku when all is said and done. He's Charles Gordon with more speed and quickness.
3. As far as the schedule goes, the only other decent team in the North plays ku at home (Nebraska). CU, KSU, ISU, and MU are all going to suck next year. K-State and Iowa State will both be beyond pathetic. Mizzou loses their entire team. Colorado loses their best WR and DT from last year and brings in nothing to replace their crap talent at QB. Hawkins is gone after next season.
4. ku's beatdown of K-State will be even worse than it was last season. 52-21 will look respectable compared to the absolute skull f*cking that ku will unleash on K-State. Mangino would love nothing more than to make Old Balls regret coming out of retirement, and you can bet that he won't hold back like he did for Prince last season. ku could have hung up 70+ on K-State last year, but Mangino had too much class to rub it in. Next year, Old Balls won't be so lucky.
this is just classic :popcorn: type of stuff. omg
:dancin:
http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=46404.0
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Phil Steele is god
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1. ku's defense will be much better than Steele thinks. ku just signed a Juco All-American at LB who had offers to Tennessee and Oklahoma, among others. Along with that, I've heard that guys like Quinton Woods, Prinz Kande, and Kevin Young have been tearing it up in summer workouts. D-end was a weakness on the team last season, but the ku coaches have done a great job addressing that position. ku has a ton of talent at d-tackle with Johnson, Blakesley, Greene, Parish, Stevens, and Dorsey.
2. Another area that was a problem for ku's defense last year was the secondary. ku's going with more of a 4-2-5 defense next year to fight the spread. Darrell Stuckey's a 1st-team All Big 12 type of player, and then you've got guys like Justin Thornton, Daymond Patterson, Phillip Strozier, Lubbock Smith, etc, who have all been developing nicely. Thornton will play in the NFL, and Patterson could be the next star cornerback at ku when all is said and done. He's Charles Gordon with more speed and quickness.
3. As far as the schedule goes, the only other decent team in the North plays ku at home (Nebraska). CU, KSU, ISU, and MU are all going to suck next year. K-State and Iowa State will both be beyond pathetic. Mizzou loses their entire team. Colorado loses their best WR and DT from last year and brings in nothing to replace their crap talent at QB. Hawkins is gone after next season.
4. ku's beatdown of K-State will be even worse than it was last season. 52-21 will look respectable compared to the absolute skull f*cking that ku will unleash on K-State. Mangino would love nothing more than to make Old Balls regret coming out of retirement, and you can bet that he won't hold back like he did for Prince last season. ku could have hung up 70+ on K-State last year, but Mangino had too much class to rub it in. Next year, Old Balls won't be so lucky.
this is just classic :popcorn: type of stuff. omg
this is really one of the best "proved you wrong" moments you could ever possibly have. it's almost as if he wasn't being serious... but he was. he was.
dude, bmw. fail.
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T. Brew owned like always
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we tried to warn lil bro. it's what big bros do. maybe next time the kid'll listen :beerchug:
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A)commerical jet service and a big 12 north title.
Q)What is light years away from Lawrence, Alex?
:lol:
OMG. LOL, bro. LOL. Can't believe I haven't enjoyed this since July 8th.
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A)commerical jet service and a big 12 north title.
Q)What is light years away from Lawrence, Alex?
:lol:
(http://www.ksufans.com/forums/Smileys/ksufans/bigLOL.gif)
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review the first two pages of this thread....and then comprehend the idea of BMW coming to this board today to hindsight the idea of Mark Mangino as a decent coach. :piratewave:
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That was a fun read.
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review the first two pages of this thread....and then comprehend the idea of BMW coming to this board today to hindsight the idea of Mark Mangino as a decent coach. :piratewave:
Mangino is a "decent" coach. He's just not the coach to take ku to the next level.
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Great bump. Thanks for the laugh, BMW gets owned again. :lol:
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review the first two pages of this thread....and then comprehend the idea of BMW coming to this board today to hindsight the idea of Mark Mangino as a decent coach. :piratewave:
Mangino is a "decent" coach. He's just not the coach to take ku to the next level.
so now you think Mangino can't win the North?
Ya see what I'm getting at?
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review the first two pages of this thread....and then comprehend the idea of BMW coming to this board today to hindsight the idea of Mark Mangino as a decent coach. :piratewave:
Mangino is a "decent" coach. He's just not the coach to take ku to the next level.
Does it get any bigger than the Orange Bowl? I mean it's the Orange Bowl for god sake!
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review the first two pages of this thread....and then comprehend the idea of BMW coming to this board today to hindsight the idea of Mark Mangino as a decent coach. :piratewave:
Mangino is a "decent" coach. He's just not the coach to take ku to the next level.
so now you think Mangino can't win the North?
Ya see what I'm getting at?
I expected ku to win the North this year. Yes. You got me.
:rolleyes:
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review the first two pages of this thread....and then comprehend the idea of BMW coming to this board today to hindsight the idea of Mark Mangino as a decent coach. :piratewave:
Mangino is a "decent" coach. He's just not the coach to take ku to the next level.
so now you think Mangino can't win the North?
Ya see what I'm getting at?
I expected ku to win the North this year. Yes. You got me.
:rolleyes:
fine..then you define "next level". Your words.
BCS bowl wasn't enough so what is next level in your view?
how 'bout more than 1 conference win in a year you were almost ranked TOP 10. I'm sure you remember bragging about your ranking after beating Duke, UTEP, and USM, right?
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review the first two pages of this thread....and then comprehend the idea of BMW coming to this board today to hindsight the idea of Mark Mangino as a decent coach. :piratewave:
Mangino is a "decent" coach. He's just not the coach to take ku to the next level.
so now you think Mangino can't win the North?
Ya see what I'm getting at?
I expected ku to win the North this year. Yes. You got me.
:rolleyes:
fine..then you define "next level". Your words.
BCS bowl wasn't enough so what is next level in your view?
how 'bout more than 1 conference win in a year you were almost ranked TOP 10. I'm sure you remember bragging about your ranking after beating Duke, UTEP, and USM, right?
The next level is doing better than 6-6/7-5 more than once every eight years.
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Wow, Ben.....you very much suck at life.
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review the first two pages of this thread....and then comprehend the idea of BMW coming to this board today to hindsight the idea of Mark Mangino as a decent coach. :piratewave:
Mangino is a "decent" coach. He's just not the coach to take ku to the next level.
so now you think Mangino can't win the North?
Ya see what I'm getting at?
I expected ku to win the North this year. Yes. You got me.
:rolleyes:
fine..then you define "next level". Your words.
BCS bowl wasn't enough so what is next level in your view?
how 'bout more than 1 conference win in a year you were almost ranked TOP 10. I'm sure you remember bragging about your ranking after beating Duke, UTEP, and USM, right?
The next level is doing better than 6-6/7-5 more than once every eight years.
That's what Mangino was doing.
4-7
6-6
12-1 check (beat KSU, NU...won BCS bowl...no parking attendant stores. No player abuse stories)
8-5 check (beat MU, won bowl...no parking attendant stores. No player abuse stories)
5-7 (Got beat by a 70 year old with a grind it out offense..lmao.) Mangion FIRED
I see a pattern.