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Title: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Bookcat on June 12, 2009, 11:00:45 AM
this is the winning design. There are so many things wrong with the winning design that I am totally unsurprised that this is what they decided on.

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/Bookcat1/Firstthumb.jpg)



The rest linked here:

http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/index.aspx?NID=1304
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: chum1 on June 12, 2009, 11:01:59 AM
LOL.  Are those the Flint Hills?
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Rick Daris on June 12, 2009, 11:07:31 AM
yeah. second and third place are both better. way too much going on in the winning one.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2009, 11:09:06 AM
yeah. second and third place are both better. way too much going on in the winning one.

Plus, why write in that it is located in the Flint Hills.  If you are flying into or out of Manhattan you damn well better already know it's located in the mother f^cking Flint Hills!
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: KITNfury on June 12, 2009, 11:14:08 AM
2nd was pretty good IMHO
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Bookcat on June 12, 2009, 11:14:22 AM
I would have voted for your design.  The one they chose is terrible.

This is the other one I submitted...

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/Bookcat1/mhklogo.jpg)
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2009, 11:16:28 AM
I would have voted for your design.  The one they chose is terrible.

This is the other one I submitted...

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/Bookcat1/mhklogo.jpg)

I actually like that one better.  Art Deco (not an artist/architec/etc. so I'm not sure if I'm using that right) is cool.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Rick Daris on June 12, 2009, 11:18:03 AM
I would have voted for your design.  The one they chose is terrible.

This is the other one I submitted...

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/Bookcat1/mhklogo.jpg)

this is better than the winner too. that winning one really is horrible. five different colors used. orange? really? also "since 1983". is this really necessary? why would you even put that?
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Bookcat on June 12, 2009, 11:18:43 AM
yeah. I thought an art deco look, combined with the architecture of the building, and some colors related to the flint hills and the building would be a friendly type of logo to greet visitors and to put on promotional materials. oh well. That's the breaks.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2009, 11:20:56 AM
I would have voted for your design.  The one they chose is terrible.

This is the other one I submitted...

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/Bookcat1/mhklogo.jpg)

this is better than the winner too. that winning one really is horrible. five different colors used. orange? really? also "since 1983". is this really necessary? why would you even put that?

I know, this is really upsetting to me for some reason.  I mean, it's like the Chinese flag saying, "Home to the Great Wall of China since 845" or some sh1t.  Why is almost everyone in a decision making position in Manhattan or Kansas State University a complete f^cking retard?
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: catzacker on June 12, 2009, 11:21:53 AM
this is the winning design. There are so many things wrong with the winning design that I am totally unsurprised that this is what they decided on.

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/Bookcat1/Firstthumb.jpg)



The rest linked here:

http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/index.aspx?NID=1304

it looks like the plane is crashing into the ground.  that sucks.  terribly sucks.  i'd rather see a pile of dog crap shaped in the form of "MHK" than that.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2009, 11:23:16 AM
Is there even an e-mail address to contact and complain?  Was this thing rigged by 4chan like the Nebraska license plate contest? 
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: catzacker on June 12, 2009, 11:26:52 AM
Is there even an e-mail address to contact and complain?  Was this thing rigged by 4chan like the Nebraska license plate contest? 

meh.  seems like a lot of effort.  complaining on here is entirely easier.   :kstatriot:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2009, 11:28:44 AM
Is there even an e-mail address to contact and complain?  Was this thing rigged by 4chan like the Nebraska license plate contest? 

meh.  seems like a lot of effort.  complaining on here is entirely easier.   :kstatriot:

I took care of it.  E-Mailed them a link to this thread.  So, basically, just complain here and assume they are going to hit my link.   :users:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: ECN on June 12, 2009, 11:28:54 AM
im so glad i dont suck.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2009, 11:29:38 AM
im so glad i dont suck.

Yeah, it's a good feeling.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Rick Daris on June 12, 2009, 11:35:22 AM
this is the winning design. There are so many things wrong with the winning design that I am totally unsurprised that this is what they decided on.

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/Bookcat1/Firstthumb.jpg)



The rest linked here:

http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/index.aspx?NID=1304

ring...ring

"mhk regional airport how can i help you"

"yeah, this is clip art and i want my airplane back"


 :frown:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2009, 11:36:50 AM
I think I could MSPaint something better than that using nothing but the spray paint can.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Rick Daris on June 12, 2009, 11:42:36 AM
(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/Bookcat1/Firstthumb.jpg)

that orange colored lettering is just making me angry now. i can't understand what business orange has being in there. freaking orange. it looks so ridiculous there in between the red and green. my god. just change the color of that lettering to red and get rid of "since 1983" and i'll shut up about this. no way that this was designed by someone older than 16.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: ltrain37 on June 12, 2009, 11:52:53 AM
Too many colors, the hills or mountains or whatever they are look stupid, and apparently the plane is flying sideways.  The other two options or even BC's other pic are waaaay better.

Winning logo =  :yuck:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Prince McJunkins on June 12, 2009, 11:53:55 AM
JFC. I call shenanigans.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Prince McJunkins on June 12, 2009, 11:56:42 AM
I would have voted for your design.  The one they chose is terrible.

This is the other one I submitted...

(http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l67/Bookcat1/mhklogo.jpg)

This is better than the top 3.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 12:04:50 PM
A friend of mine sent me this link.

Shame on all of you.  Seems like jealously runs rampant on this board. 
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: jthutch on June 12, 2009, 12:31:48 PM
Personally I liked the 3rd place logo.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: kougar24 on June 12, 2009, 12:38:21 PM
im so glad i dont suck.

Do I get to say that?

:ohno:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: KITNfury on June 12, 2009, 12:38:41 PM
I think it's the &@#%ing rocky mountains in the background that get me the most. I think it was inspired by the first couple episodes of jericho and the movie Airplane.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: pissclams on June 12, 2009, 12:55:12 PM
A friend of mine sent me this link.

Shame on all of you.  Seems like jealously runs rampant on this board. 
whatever ben.  you suck, since 1983.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: The1BigWillie on June 12, 2009, 12:56:36 PM
Are those green volcanoes what the clip art plane is getting ready to slam into?  That's the craptiest logo I've ever seen. I liked 2nd place because I liked the way they worked the apple into the flint hills.  Very snappy.  3rd was also better than #1.  Horrible.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: fatty fat fat on June 12, 2009, 01:14:18 PM
damn. books are the best.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: willie83 on June 12, 2009, 01:18:02 PM
A friend of mine sent me this link.

Shame on all of you.  Seems like jealously runs rampant on this board. 

Hey Ben, your winning design is great for a middle schooler, really is, but it has no place representing an airport with daily American Airlines flights. :AA: :kstatriot:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: fatty fat fat on June 12, 2009, 01:20:17 PM
I think they reallly really wanted the "MHK" code into the design. my only analysis for why they chose they 1st one. jfc.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 01:21:03 PM
Are you guys so dense that you think every piece of art has too look like what it is?

Ever heard of Monet morons?

If the other choices were so great how come they didn't win?  I have not designed multiple logos by accident.

I could on and on with what's wrong with those other logos, but I won't because I am not that kind of person.

Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: fatty fat fat on June 12, 2009, 01:21:52 PM
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I could on and on with what's wrong with those other logos, but I won't because I am not that kind of person.

i'd be very interested. the 1st one just looks a bit sloppier/less professional. jmo.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: jeffy on June 12, 2009, 01:24:03 PM
Too many colors, the hills or mountains or whatever they are look stupid, and apparently the plane is flying sideways.  The other two options or even BC's other pic are waaaay better.

Winning logo =  :yuck:

I think the sideways plane was inspired by this:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3368/3526507910_5b771f3995_o.png)

from this recently released film:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fa7ck5mcd1o

Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: pissclams on June 12, 2009, 01:29:01 PM
hey ben, go fly a kite LMAO
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 01:29:32 PM
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I could on and on with what's wrong with those other logos, but I won't because I am not that kind of person.

i'd be very interested. the 1st one just looks a bit sloppier/less professional. jmo.
Well for starters they don't take advantage of color.  Also the jets are completely unrealistic looking.  They look like something from webdings.

Too many letters as well.  You must be concise on a logo, like many of my award winning ones.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 01:31:04 PM
hey ben, go fly a kite LMAO
Tough guy hiding behind a fake name and a computer screen huh?
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: willie83 on June 12, 2009, 01:32:53 PM
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I could on and on with what's wrong with those other logos, but I won't because I am not that kind of person.

i'd be very interested. the 1st one just looks a bit sloppier/less professional. jmo.
Well for starters they don't take advantage of color.  Also the jets are completely unrealistic looking.  They look like something from webdings.

Too many letters as well.  You must be concise on a logo, like many of my award winning ones.

Ben, you are 13.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: fatty fat fat on June 12, 2009, 01:32:57 PM
dunno if a realistic airplane is needed.

largest baddest airport in the country has a goofy looking airplane

(http://www.atlanta-airport.com/groundtransportation/images/HJAIA_Map.jpg)
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 01:35:34 PM
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I could on and on with what's wrong with those other logos, but I won't because I am not that kind of person.

i'd be very interested. the 1st one just looks a bit sloppier/less professional. jmo.
Well for starters they don't take advantage of color.  Also the jets are completely unrealistic looking.  They look like something from webdings.

Too many letters as well.  You must be concise on a logo, like many of my award winning ones.

Ben, you are 13.
Laugh.

Why don't you go play outside while I make Manhattan a better city.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: willie83 on June 12, 2009, 01:36:52 PM
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I could on and on with what's wrong with those other logos, but I won't because I am not that kind of person.

i'd be very interested. the 1st one just looks a bit sloppier/less professional. jmo.
Well for starters they don't take advantage of color.  Also the jets are completely unrealistic looking.  They look like something from webdings.

Too many letters as well.  You must be concise on a logo, like many of my award winning ones.

Ben, you are 13.
Laugh.

Why don't you go play outside while I make Manhattan a better city.

Ok

Ben (http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=158735441)
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: fatty fat fat on June 12, 2009, 01:37:01 PM
(http://www.brandsoftheworld.com/brands/0003/8714/brand.gif)

(http://www.flysfo.com/images/logo_sfo_global.gif)


(http://www.lawa.org/images/HeaderLAX_01.jpg)

(http://www.flykci.com/_PROJECT/_Block/Frame/Logo.gif)

the "real" airplane is dumb.

 :dunno:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 01:37:34 PM
dunno if a realistic airplane is needed.

largest baddest airport in the country has a goofy looking airplane

(http://www.atlanta-airport.com/groundtransportation/images/HJAIA_Map.jpg)

That's well and good for an airport of that size, but a local regional airport need to portray a warm, welcoming image.  My design does just that, it doesn't intimidate the flyer like the others can.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: fatty fat fat on June 12, 2009, 01:38:57 PM
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That's well and good for an airport of that size, but a local regional airport need to portray a warm, welcoming image.  My design does just that, it doesn't intimidate the flyer like the others can.

LOL. :thumbsup:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: fatty fat fat on June 12, 2009, 01:39:30 PM
really kind of angry. hopefully ATL, DIA or MCI won't make fun of us.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 01:39:43 PM
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I could on and on with what's wrong with those other logos, but I won't because I am not that kind of person.

i'd be very interested. the 1st one just looks a bit sloppier/less professional. jmo.
Well for starters they don't take advantage of color.  Also the jets are completely unrealistic looking.  They look like something from webdings.

Too many letters as well.  You must be concise on a logo, like many of my award winning ones.

Ben, you are 13.
Laugh.

Why don't you go play outside while I make Manhattan a better city.

Ok

Ben (http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=158735441)

Wow, you found my son.  Congrats.  I am now reporting you to the mods.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Rick Daris on June 12, 2009, 01:40:37 PM
I think they reallly really wanted the "MHK" code into the design. my only analysis for why they chose they 1st one. jfc.

yeah, that was my guess too. if it was that important they should have asked people designing logos to incorporated it. i bet it was the only entry with MHK so they had to pick it by default. :flush:


also ben ben berard more like ben the retard IMO. lmao at this bozo the clown. he's a grand prize game away from having his own tv show. lmao.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 01:42:03 PM
I think they reallly really wanted the "MHK" code into the design. my only analysis for why they chose they 1st one. jfc.

yeah, that was my guess too. if it was that important they should have asked people designing logos to incorporated it. i bet it was the only entry with MHK so they had to pick it by default. :flush:


also ben ben berard more like ben retard IMO. lmao at this bozo the clown. he's a grand prize game away from having his own tv show. lmao.

Green isn't your best color.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Panjandrum on June 12, 2009, 01:44:59 PM
This is one of the best threads I've read in a while.

 :users:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: willie83 on June 12, 2009, 01:46:28 PM
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I could on and on with what's wrong with those other logos, but I won't because I am not that kind of person.

i'd be very interested. the 1st one just looks a bit sloppier/less professional. jmo.
Well for starters they don't take advantage of color.  Also the jets are completely unrealistic looking.  They look like something from webdings.

Too many letters as well.  You must be concise on a logo, like many of my award winning ones.

Ben, you are 13.
Laugh.

Why don't you go play outside while I make Manhattan a better city.

Ok

Ben (http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=158735441)
[/quote

Wow, you found my son.  Congrats.  I am now reporting you to the mods.

 :ohno:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: yoga-lika_abana on June 12, 2009, 01:52:44 PM
Quote
I could on and on with what's wrong with those other logos, but I won't because I am not that kind of person.

i'd be very interested. the 1st one just looks a bit sloppier/less professional. jmo.
Well for starters they don't take advantage of color.  Also the jets are completely unrealistic looking.  They look like something from webdings.

Too many letters as well.  You must be concise on a logo, like many of my award winning ones.

Ben, you are 13.
Laugh.

Why don't you go play outside while I make Manhattan a better city.

Ok

Ben (http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=158735441)
[/quote

Wow, you found my son.  Congrats.  I am now reporting you to the mods.
You named your son after yourself. Never understood why anyone would do that. :dunno:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 01:55:27 PM
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I could on and on with what's wrong with those other logos, but I won't because I am not that kind of person.

i'd be very interested. the 1st one just looks a bit sloppier/less professional. jmo.
Well for starters they don't take advantage of color.  Also the jets are completely unrealistic looking.  They look like something from webdings.

Too many letters as well.  You must be concise on a logo, like many of my award winning ones.

Ben, you are 13.
Laugh.

Why don't you go play outside while I make Manhattan a better city.

Ok

Ben (http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=158735441)
[/quote

Wow, you found my son.  Congrats.  I am now reporting you to the mods.
You named your son after yourself. Never understood why anyone would do that. :dunno:
You need to stay out of my family business.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: jeffy on June 12, 2009, 01:58:37 PM
There's a lot of epic quote-fail in the last few posts of this thread.

But I do love the threat of reporting to the mods.  That always works very well on this board!!!   :rofl:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Brock Landers on June 12, 2009, 01:59:57 PM
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I could on and on with what's wrong with those other logos, but I won't because I am not that kind of person.

i'd be very interested. the 1st one just looks a bit sloppier/less professional. jmo.
Well for starters they don't take advantage of color.  Also the jets are completely unrealistic looking.  They look like something from webdings.

Too many letters as well.  You must be concise on a logo, like many of my award winning ones.

Ben, you are 13.
Laugh.

Why don't you go play outside while I make Manhattan a better city.

Ok

Ben (http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=158735441)
[/quote

Wow, you found my son.  Congrats.  I am now reporting you to the mods.
You named your son after yourself. Never understood why anyone would do that. :dunno:
You need to stay out of my family business.


Ben not only do you suck at designing logos, you suck at using the quote feature.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: kougar24 on June 12, 2009, 02:00:55 PM
Too many letters as well.  You must be concise on a logo, like many of my award winning ones.

(http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/images/pages/N1304//Secondthumb.jpg)

24 letters.



(http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/images/pages/N1304//Thirdthumb.jpg)

26 letters.



(http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/images/pages/N1304//Firstthumb.jpg)

65 letters.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: yoga-lika_abana on June 12, 2009, 02:01:14 PM
wtf I was outside the quote thing. this ben dood not only screwed up the logo but now he screwed up the quote function way to go  :jerkoff:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Rick Daris on June 12, 2009, 02:02:10 PM
ben,

why did you use so many different colors in your design?

thanks,
rick daris
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 02:03:21 PM
Too many letters as well.  You must be concise on a logo, like many of my award winning ones.

(http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/images/pages/N1304//Secondthumb.jpg)

24 letters.



(http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/images/pages/N1304//Thirdthumb.jpg)

26 letters.



(http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/images/pages/N1304//Firstthumb.jpg)

65 letters.
You don't count the foot-text.  Duh.

There's your free Graphic Design lesson for the day.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 02:04:39 PM
ben,

why did you use so many different colors in your design?

thanks,
rick daris

Color is a primal attention grabber.  The best artists use color to invoke emotion.  Manhattan is a cornucopia of color, so I decided to have that reflected in my logo.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: kougar24 on June 12, 2009, 02:05:20 PM
You don't count the foot-text.  Duh.

There's your free Graphic Design lesson for the day.

 :lol:


Thanks. I needed that, as I know absolutley nothing about graphic design, logo design, etc.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: The1BigWillie on June 12, 2009, 02:06:51 PM
Ben,

Was the friend who sent you this link also the judge of the contest? It would make sense of this fiasco.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: chum1 on June 12, 2009, 02:11:49 PM
Ben is exactly why Manhattan is so small time.  A clueless idiot like him should win a POS contest like this, IMO.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 02:16:53 PM
In the end I won and that's all that matters doesn't it?

You all had your chances to show off your "skills" and you lost.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: chum1 on June 12, 2009, 02:19:21 PM
No, Ben, you didn't win.  You lose.  You lose because you suck.  In front of everyone.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: yoga-lika_abana on June 12, 2009, 02:21:39 PM
In the end I won and that's all that matters doesn't it?

You all had your chances to show off your "skills" and you lost.
how long did it take to google those clipart images and crop them all together?
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on June 12, 2009, 02:21:54 PM
Damn that's awful.  The orange is driving me crazy, too.

My favorite is Bookcat's logo, followed by the second-place finisher with the apple incorporated into the hills.  (That's hills, not mountains.)

:Carl:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: fatty fat fat on June 12, 2009, 02:23:47 PM
i'm seriously ticked about this. so embarrassing.

the 2nd one is good. great looking hills/apple
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: kougar24 on June 12, 2009, 02:23:54 PM
God, even the 'tards see the light on this one...


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Uh, I hope those places (1st, 2nd, 3rd) are in reverse by accident.

Quote
Ahhh...why are there mountains?

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You've got to be kidding me.

That's freaking awful.

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I would rather kill myself than fly out an airport that uses Copperplate Gothic in its logo.

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As a graphic designer who submitted to that contest I can tell you those logos are a joke, not just for aesthetics but for technical reasons. It is really sad what they have done.

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I am wondering what program was used to make that design, because it looks like its straight out of 1985.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 02:24:43 PM
No, Ben, you didn't win.  You lose.  You lose because you suck.  In front of everyone.
That's not what MHK thinks.

Trust me, people who know Graphic Design love my logo.  I have a friend who works in NYC as a copywriter who gave it a huge thumbs up.  In fact she said her company might hire me to do some freelance work for some of their clients in Middle America.  
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2009, 02:26:25 PM
i'm seriously ticked about this. so embarrassing.

the 2nd one is good. great looking hills/apple

I know rite.  Crazy that this makes me so mad.  I mean, this is what big time people (recruits, new bio-terror facility employees, etc.) will see when they get to Manhattan.  I would feel much better if it was on a huge f^cking billboard between Manhattan and Ogden (other side of airport).
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 02:26:53 PM
God, even the 'tards see the light on this one...


Quote
Uh, I hope those places (1st, 2nd, 3rd) are in reverse by accident.

Quote
Ahhh...why are there mountains?

Quote
You've got to be kidding me.

That's freaking awful.

Quote
I would rather kill myself than fly out an airport that uses Copperplate Gothic in its logo.

Quote
As a graphic designer who submitted to that contest I can tell you those logos are a joke, not just for aesthetics but for technical reasons. It is really sad what they have done.

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I am wondering what program was used to make that design, because it looks like its straight out of 1985.

Copperplate Gothic  is a great font.  I use it all the time along with Papyrus and Comic Sans (when I am going for the whimsical feel that works well in small town America).
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: kougar24 on June 12, 2009, 02:29:12 PM
Copperplate Gothic  is a great font.  I use it all the time along with Papyrus and Comic Sans (when I am going for the whimsical feel that works well in small town America).

Okay, whose sock is this? That put it over the top.

Nibre?
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: fatty fat fat on June 12, 2009, 02:29:44 PM
Copperplate Gothic  is a great font.  I use it all the time along with Papyrus and Comic Sans (when I am going for the whimsical feel that works well in small town America).

Okay, whose sock is this? That put it over the top.

Nibre?


qft. has been obvious for a while.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: kougar24 on June 12, 2009, 02:36:40 PM
What happened to Rick's SD call? I'm throwin' my bid on SD now, too.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 02:38:12 PM
I think you all need to get some fresh air.  You're getting paranoid.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2009, 02:39:55 PM
What happened to Rick's SD call? I'm throwin' my bid on SD now, too.

no  :users:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: KITNfury on June 12, 2009, 02:42:34 PM
I just want the mountains explained. And a reason for a sideways plane. No need to get sciency w/ the graphics arts stuff.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: AzCat on June 12, 2009, 02:45:36 PM
Quote
I could on and on with what's wrong with those other logos, but I won't because I am not that kind of person.

i'd be very interested. the 1st one just looks a bit sloppier/less professional. jmo.
Well for starters they don't take advantage of color.  Also the jets are completely unrealistic looking.  They look like something from webdings.

Too many letters as well.  You must be concise on a logo, like many of my award winning ones.

Ben, you are 13.
Laugh.

Why don't you go play outside while I make Manhattan a better city.

Oh you're leaving? 
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 02:48:43 PM
I just want the mountains explained. And a reason for a sideways plane. No need to get sciency w/ the graphics arts stuff.
Those are not mountains.  They are the Flint Hills in late spring.  It's called an abstraction.  An abstract hill is a triangle in the simplest geometry.

SIMPLE IS BEST.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Rick Daris on June 12, 2009, 02:49:21 PM
pretty sure i know who ben is.  :users:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: AzCat on June 12, 2009, 02:50:06 PM
No, Ben, you didn't win.  You lose.  You lose because you suck.  In front of everyone.
That's not what MHK thinks.

Trust me, people who know Graphic Design love my logo.  I have a friend who works in NYC as a copywriter who gave it a huge thumbs up.  In fact she said her company might hire me to do some freelance work for some of their clients in Middle America.  

Yes, because your work will reinforce their preconceived notions that everyone in flyover country is an ignorant rube.   :lol:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2009, 02:52:03 PM
Bookcat, why couldn't you have just put MHK somewhere on your art deco design.  F^ck, I blame you for this.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: ew2x4 on June 12, 2009, 02:52:16 PM
Copperplate Gothic  is a great font.  I use it all the time along with Papyrus and Comic Sans (when I am going for the whimsical feel that works well in small town America).

Okay, whose sock is this? That put it over the top.

Nibre?

He was doing great until this post. :(
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: steve dave on June 12, 2009, 02:54:42 PM

Quote
Sir,
 
Thank you for your feedback regarding the logo contest.   The judging was conducted by the members of the Airport Advisory Board (Selection Committee).  The members were provided copies of all entries, as well as the concept behind each one.  They were not given the name of who submitted the entry.   The selection committee was asked to select what they believed to be the top 5 entries based on the contest rules. The votes were tallied and the first, second and third place winners were selected based on the total votes received.  It was made clear in the contest rules that there should be no expectation that the winning entry would become the new logo for the Manhattan Regional Airport.
 
Thank you again for your interest.  Please contact me if you should have additional questions.
 
Sincerely,
 
Peter C. Van kuren
Airport Director
Manhattan Regional Airport
5500 Fort Riley Blvd. Suite 120
Manhattan, Kansas  66502-5497
Office: (785) 587-4560
Website: www.FlyManhattan.com
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 02:58:35 PM
JFC

Quote
Sir,
 
Thank you for your feedback regarding the logo contest.   The judging was conducted by the members of the Airport Advisory Board (Selection Committee).  The members were provided copies of all entries, as well as the concept behind each one.  They were not given the name of who submitted the entry.   The selection committee was asked to select what they believed to be the top 5 entries based on the contest rules. The votes were tallied and the first, second and third place winners were selected based on the total votes received.  It was made clear in the contest rules that there should be no expectation that the winning entry would become the new logo for the Manhattan Regional Airport.
 
Thank you again for your interest.  Please contact me if you should have additional questions.
 
Sincerely,
 
Peter C. Van kuren
Airport Director
Manhattan Regional Airport
5500 Fort Riley Blvd. Suite 120
Manhattan, Kansas  66502-5497
Office: (785) 587-4560
Website: www.FlyManhattan.com

It was a landslide too.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: KITNfury on June 12, 2009, 02:59:55 PM
I just want the mountains explained. And a reason for a sideways plane. No need to get sciency w/ the graphics arts stuff.
Those are not mountains.  They are the Flint Hills in late spring.  It's called an abstraction.  An abstract hill is a triangle in the simplest geometry.

SIMPLE IS BEST.
The realistic sideways plane suggests a realistic depiction in general.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: The1BigWillie on June 12, 2009, 03:10:23 PM
JFC

Quote
Sir,
 
Thank you for your feedback regarding the logo contest.   The judging was conducted by the members of the Airport Advisory Board (Selection Committee).  The members were provided copies of all entries, as well as the concept behind each one.  They were not given the name of who submitted the entry.   The selection committee was asked to select what they believed to be the top 5 entries based on the contest rules. The votes were tallied and the first, second and third place winners were selected based on the total votes received.  It was made clear in the contest rules that there should be no expectation that the winning entry would become the new logo for the Manhattan Regional Airport.
 
Thank you again for your interest.  Please contact me if you should have additional questions.
 
Sincerely,
 
Peter C. Van kuren
Airport Director
Manhattan Regional Airport
5500 Fort Riley Blvd. Suite 120
Manhattan, Kansas  66502-5497
Office: (785) 587-4560
Website: www.FlyManhattan.com

It was a landslide too.

I really didn't like Ben before but now I think i do.   :rofl:  I still don't like the logo.  I do like this - It was made clear in the contest rules that there should be no expectation that the winning entry would become the new logo for the Manhattan Regional Airport.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Rick Daris on June 12, 2009, 03:12:00 PM
JFC

Quote
Sir,
 
Thank you for your feedback regarding the logo contest.   The judging was conducted by the members of the Airport Advisory Board (Selection Committee).  The members were provided copies of all entries, as well as the concept behind each one.   They were not given the name of who submitted the entry.   The selection committee was asked to select what they believed to be the top 5 entries based on the contest rules. The votes were tallied and the first, second and third place winners were selected based on the total votes received.  It was made clear in the contest rules that there should be no expectation that the winning entry would become the new logo for the Manhattan Regional Airport.
 
Thank you again for your interest.  Please contact me if you should have additional questions.
 
Sincerely,
 
Peter C. Van kuren
Airport Director
Manhattan Regional Airport
5500 Fort Riley Blvd. Suite 120
Manhattan, Kansas  66502-5497
Office: (785) 587-4560
Website: www.FlyManhattan.com

sd-

can you email this guy back and ask him if the logos given to commitee to look at were in black and white. would explain a lot.

Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: kougar24 on June 12, 2009, 03:14:17 PM
JFC

Quote
Sir,
 
Thank you for your feedback regarding the logo contest.   The judging was conducted by the members of the Airport Advisory Board (Selection Committee).  The members were provided copies of all entries, as well as the concept behind each one.  They were not given the name of who submitted the entry.   The selection committee was asked to select what they believed to be the top 5 entries based on the contest rules. The votes were tallied and the first, second and third place winners were selected based on the total votes received.  It was made clear in the contest rules that there should be no expectation that the winning entry would become the new logo for the Manhattan Regional Airport.
 
Thank you again for your interest.  Please contact me if you should have additional questions.
 
Sincerely,
 
Peter C. Van kuren
Airport Director
Manhattan Regional Airport
5500 Fort Riley Blvd. Suite 120
Manhattan, Kansas  66502-5497
Office: (785) 587-4560
Website: www.FlyManhattan.com

 :pray:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: BenBerard on June 12, 2009, 03:19:42 PM
Keep praying.

It's a done deal trust me.

D.O.N.E.

I saved the city some money too, but not having to hire an expensive big city artist to design a cold, unfeeling corporate logo.

MHK is the friendly airport, and I like to think I contributed to that.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on June 12, 2009, 03:22:44 PM
Keep praying.

It's a done deal trust me.

D.O.N.E.

I saved the city some money too, but not having to hire an expensive big city artist to design a cold, unfeeling corporate logo.

MHK is the friendly airport, and I like to think I contributed to that.

Should've included this slogan in the text of the design.  Maybe in TEAL!  Can you go back and add this now that the contest is over?
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: willie83 on June 12, 2009, 03:31:15 PM
Keep praying.

It's a done deal trust me.

D.O.N.E.

I saved the city some money too, but not having to hire an expensive big city artist to design a cold, unfeeling corporate logo.

MHK is the friendly airport, and I like to think I contributed to that.

Officially a sock, nice work.   :)
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: lovingmanhattan on June 12, 2009, 03:33:34 PM
Am I the only one who has figured out that BenBerard is not THE Ben Berard? Seriously.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: AzCat on June 12, 2009, 03:37:16 PM
Am I the only one who has figured out that BenBerard is not THE Ben Berard? Seriously.

No, but you're probably the only one who didn't realize it after his first couple of posts. 
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on June 12, 2009, 03:39:47 PM
Am I the only one who has figured out that BenBerard is not THE Ben Berard? Seriously.

I think you're wrong.  I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the site mods check to be sure users are actually who they say they are when they register a real user name.  (Legal liability and whatnot.)  I know Wefald posts on this site.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: lovingmanhattan on June 12, 2009, 03:45:40 PM
Am I the only one who has figured out that BenBerard is not THE Ben Berard? Seriously.

No, but you're probably the only one who didn't realize it after his first couple of posts. 

Nope, I realized it. I just couldn't figure out why you would argue with someone who was obvisouly full of crap and just trying to annoy you. (who probably can't stand the logo any more than you can)  It's your time to waste. Have fun.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Rick Daris on June 12, 2009, 03:49:33 PM
Am I the only one who has figured out that BenBerard is not THE Ben Berard? Seriously.

No, but you're probably the only one who didn't realize it after his first couple of posts.  

Nope, I realized it. I just couldn't figure out why you would argue with someone who was obvisouly full of crap and just trying to annoy you. (who probably can't stand the logo any more than you can)  It's your time to waste. Have fun.

no. you are actually in the wrong here. i know because i used to be a moderator. iirc ghost of stan parrish actually had to add ghost of at the beginning of his username because he is not actually stan parrish. this is probably why he knows this rule and most around here don't. the moderators do indeed ip check people and would not allow someone to say they are someone they are not. anyway, welcome to the site and i hope you love it as much as you love manhattan.  ;)

kudos,
rick
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Ghost of Stan Parrish on June 12, 2009, 03:58:08 PM
Am I the only one who has figured out that BenBerard is not THE Ben Berard? Seriously.

No, but you're probably the only one who didn't realize it after his first couple of posts. 

Nope, I realized it. I just couldn't figure out why you would argue with someone who was obvisouly full of crap and just trying to annoy you. (who probably can't stand the logo any more than you can)  It's your time to waste. Have fun.

no. you are actually in the wrong here. i know because i used to be a moderator. iirc ghost of stan parrish actually had to add ghost of at the beginning of his username because he is not actually stan parrish. this is probably why he knows this rule and most around here don't. the moderators do indeed ip check people and would not allow someone to say they are someone they are not. anyway, welcome to the site and i hope you love it as much as you love manhattan.  ;)

kudos,
rick

I didn't really want that story getting out, but oh well.  I couldn't believe how quickly you guys called me out on the fact I wasn't really Stan Parrish.    :yikes:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Panjandrum on June 12, 2009, 04:24:07 PM
Damn that's awful.  The orange is driving me crazy, too.

My favorite is Bookcat's logo, followed by the second-place finisher with the apple incorporated into the hills.  (That's hills, not mountains.)

:Carl:

I'm still trying to figure out why the plane is circling the mountains.   :dunno:

Green mountains no less. Are those supposed to be the Appalacian Mountains?  Those are less 'peaky' and more rounded.  Peaky mountains are usually brown because they're made of rock.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Ben Ji 2.0 on June 12, 2009, 04:42:20 PM
 :AA:

More like

 :suicideispainless:

And thanks for dragging the great name of Ben through the mud. Seriously, change your name to mspaint+clipart=graphic design.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: PCR on June 12, 2009, 11:14:08 PM
Nice of them to steal the logo from the Fort Collins/Loveland Regional Airport (which oddly enough, like the logo design, had a minor crash today.)  Also are there going to be 777s flying in and out of the MHK? 
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: michigancat on June 13, 2009, 12:32:02 AM
what's wrong w/ current logo? 

(http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/images/layout/design21/ap-contact.jpg)

:dunno:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: treysolid on June 13, 2009, 12:44:55 AM
Seriously, that design is awful.  I bet Ben also won the contest to design the logo for ku's football practice facility.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: fatty fat fat on June 13, 2009, 02:06:30 PM
what's wrong w/ current logo?  

(http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/images/layout/design21/ap-contact.jpg)

:dunno:

Kind of ugly. Very small-time. It just screams, "PROPS!"


I wish we would have just ripped off the SFO logo.

(http://www.flysfo.com/images/logo_sfo_global.gif)[/img]
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: michigancat on June 13, 2009, 02:11:02 PM
good points, fffs.  sfo has some obvious flint hills undertones.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: FBWillie on June 14, 2009, 01:26:37 PM
Are you guys so dense that you think every piece of art has too look like what it is?

Ever heard of Monet morons?

If the other choices were so great how come they didn't win?  I have not designed multiple logos by accident.

I could on and on with what's wrong with those other logos, but I won't because I am not that kind of person.



:LOL: Monet's do look like what they are.... if you stand back far enough. Monet was known for Impressionism & Pointillism... the style you are looking for is abstract?  Kandinsky would have been a better argument.   



monet....    :lol:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: FBWillie on June 14, 2009, 01:38:47 PM
Too many letters as well.  You must be concise on a logo, like many of my award winning ones.

(http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/images/pages/N1304//Secondthumb.jpg)

24 letters.



(http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/images/pages/N1304//Thirdthumb.jpg)

26 letters.



(http://www.ci.manhattan.ks.us/images/pages/N1304//Firstthumb.jpg)

65 letters.
You don't count the foot-text.  Duh.

There's your free Graphic Design lesson for the day.

Ohhhhh...   I get it!   A bunch of content doesn't make it look like a giant cluster &@#% when the content is really small and serves no purpose because a logo is more about simple dynamic features that allow customers to associate that logo with the company through branding!   I get it!   Thanks!
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: FBWillie on June 14, 2009, 01:40:55 PM
In the end I won and that's all that matters doesn't it?

You all had your chances to show off your "skills" and you lost.

And how much did you win?   I mean, people pay a lot for good design.   You didn't donate your expertise... did you?
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: FBWillie on June 14, 2009, 01:47:34 PM
 :baityes:   Damn it... I should have read everything before I replied.   I'm the tard for not realizing that was a sock.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Bookcat on June 14, 2009, 07:08:31 PM
I called my shot on this one.


That the airport was being cheap and was running a big risk by hosting a logo contest and that they'd choke selecting a winner.


A friend of mine who has worked as a professional designer for 8 years (award winning too) submitted a design to this thing...and his didn't even place. I haven't seen it, but I guarantee it was of a higher design quality than what won the contest.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: fatty fat fat on June 14, 2009, 07:28:04 PM
hopefully the fine folks @ american airlines don't see this.  :frown:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 15, 2009, 10:49:44 AM
So I am all gigged up, wondering when I might have the chance to book a flight from RDU to MHK on  :AA: . . . then I saw the winning logo and I was all  :-[ and even a little  :barf:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: r-a-b on June 15, 2009, 11:57:21 AM
You guys may be interested.

The letter I submitted upon seeing the "winning" entry and the response I received back from the Airport Director.

I honestly believe two of the three were somebody's children.

-------------------------------------------------------------

To whom it may concern,

As a graphic design professional, K-State graduate and lifelong advocate for the community, I respectfully have to voice my disappointment and confusion towards the winning selection for Manhattan’s Airport new identity.

If the intent was to enhance and modernize the branding image of Manhattan Regional Airport as a first class, progressive facility for the city and the region, this new identity fails at virtually all levels, candidly.

The importance of a strong, recognizable brand identity is at the heart of any successful business and is one of the single most important tools to establish a connection to the general public, to effectively voice the message of a company’s essential qualities, and to ultimately drive revenue.  Frankly, as a professional graphic artist with a specialization in this type of branding and corporate identity, the winning selection is a very poor reflection of the high level of quality or service, aspiring vision and future growth of our airport.

In the best interests of Manhattan Airport, I would highly recommend reevaluating this selection and establishing a bona fide design jury with a professional background that could help assist in this process.

If you have any interest in taking me up on the offer to assemble such a group, please feel free to contact me and I will happily donate my time.

All the best,



----------------------------------------------------

I greatly appreciate your comments regarding the importance of having the right branding for the Airport.  We received many entries that will provide us with great ideas for a new logo, assuming we end up going in that direction.  As the Airport continues to grow, there is a realization that it is a regional asset.  The contest was an opportunity for the public to provide input, but was not an attempt at identifying the one logo entry that would become the new airport logo.  If a decision to proceed with creating a new logo is made, a professional firm will be brought in to assist in that endeavor.  Since yours is not the first e-mail I’ve received expressing concerns about the winning logo, I am encouraged to know there is significant interest in seeing the Regional Airport continue to grow in the right direction.

Thanks again for your interest.

Sincerely,

Peter C. Van kuren
Airport Director
Manhattan Regional Airport
5500 Fort Riley Blvd. Suite 120
Manhattan, Kansas  66502-5497
Office: (785) 587-4560
Website: www.FlyManhattan.com



My submissions.

(http://i39.tinypic.com/w2j5i1.jpg)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/wgqdfl.jpg)



(http://i40.tinypic.com/qn8mxf.jpg)

(http://i44.tinypic.com/33y6vjq.jpg)
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: fatty fat fat on June 15, 2009, 11:59:26 AM
omg. those are beautiful.   :-[
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Saulbadguy on June 15, 2009, 12:14:12 PM
Saw one of these hanging up at my sister-in-laws house this weekend.  Seriously thought about snagging it.

(http://www.crsmithmuseum.org/giftshop/images/orange_sign.jpg)
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Bookcat on June 15, 2009, 01:01:05 PM
Quote
If a decision to proceed with creating a new logo is made, a professional firm will be brought in to assist in that endeavor.

This sentence made me very very angry.

If that is the case..



THEN WHY EVEN HAVE A LOGO CONTEST AT ALL!!! ?????!!!


Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Bookcat on June 15, 2009, 01:02:25 PM
R.A.B's submissions looked so much better than the winning design.


Also, r.a.b. be sure to look at the first page of this thread and see a few more submissions that didn't even place.

Excellent letter, btw.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: r-a-b on June 15, 2009, 02:01:02 PM
Yep, looks like some good work was submitted.

Frankly, from what I have seen, if they had simply enlisted the help of a qualified, professional design jury for this selection process, there would have been a worthy winning entry.

Instead, they apparently just assembled an internal group of people with no design background, no identity development or branding experience, and basically had done no market research.

Based on the negative reaction to the competition results, it’s apparent they realize a mistake was made.  Hopefully, they do make good on their word and they ultimately enlist the service of design professional.  And by design professional, I mean not a local sign shop in Manhattan of Junction City.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: steve dave on June 15, 2009, 02:02:41 PM
Hopefully, they do make good on their word and they ultimately enlist the service of design professional.  And by design professional, I mean not a local sign shop in Manhattan of Junction City.

Or they could just ask me to do it for free :dunno:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: sonofdaxjones on June 15, 2009, 02:25:55 PM
r-a-b's stuff looks way too professional . . . really hate the fact that there's no mountains. 

Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: AzCat on June 15, 2009, 05:21:19 PM
Hopefully, they do make good on their word and they ultimately enlist the service of design professional.  And by design professional, I mean not a local sign shop in Manhattan of Junction City.

Or they could just ask me to do it for free :dunno:

Would they be paying you what you're worth?   :popcorn:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: Trim on June 15, 2009, 09:50:17 PM
Had to look up GC's airport today at work.  Thought it was a nice regional airport logo.

http://www.fly2gck.com/gcrawebsite/homepage/homepagelayout.html?homepagecontent/main/main.html


In other airport news:

http://www.kansas.com/news/story/853120.html

(http://media.kansas.com/smedia/2009/06/14/17/777-mezzanine_rendering_01_copy.embedded.prod_affiliate.80.jpg)
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: WillieWannabe on June 16, 2009, 02:31:50 PM
Had to look up GC's airport today at work.  Thought it was a nice regional airport logo.

http://www.fly2gck.com/gcrawebsite/homepage/homepagelayout.html?homepagecontent/main/main.html


Not bad...i'd like to see a bigger jet though now that we are big time.  :AA:
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: dlew12 on June 17, 2009, 01:15:44 AM
Had to look up GC's airport today at work.  Thought it was a nice regional airport logo.

http://www.fly2gck.com/gcrawebsite/homepage/homepagelayout.html?homepagecontent/main/main.html


Not bad...i'd like to see a bigger jet though now that we are big time.  :AA:

Man, GC's logo screams 90's.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: fatty fat fat on June 17, 2009, 01:18:49 AM
they got rid of the original page.
Title: Re: EPIC FAIL
Post by: dlew12 on June 17, 2009, 01:25:33 AM
they got rid of the original page.

Is the logo in the upper left what the poster was referencing?