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Title: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Rick Daris on February 10, 2009, 09:02:37 PM
on pbs right now.  :lol:
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: jmlynch1 on February 10, 2009, 09:04:54 PM
thanks for the heads up
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: steve dave on February 10, 2009, 09:05:53 PM
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^ Kansan
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: sys on February 10, 2009, 09:08:41 PM
love the intl. games.  we will crush those aussie bastards.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Rick Daris on February 10, 2009, 09:23:31 PM
 :love:  irigonegaray
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: mjrod on February 10, 2009, 09:47:09 PM
Kansas is God's Country and K-State is God's Chosen University.

Darwin was just a man with many faults.  God is perfect.

Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Saulbadguy on February 10, 2009, 10:15:09 PM
:love:  irigonegaray
My friends mom is dating him.  Also, he is defending my neighbor from charges of enslavery or something.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: jmlynch1 on February 10, 2009, 10:37:55 PM
Anyone else think Morris came off batcrap crazy? Probably because she is.

Quote
Garden of Evil
A Kansas school board member lurks in the slime.
By C.J. Janovy

Published: Thursday, October 21, 2004

I haven't read Connie Morris' book, From the Darkness: One Woman's Rise to Nobility. It's out of print, but the online book-jacket synopsis suggests that Morris is a woman of extreme grace.

"From sexual abuse and violence at the age of 12, to a miraculous conversion and recovery, Connie Morris' remarkable story will inspire and transform you," it reads. There are also words of praise from Kansas' U.S. Rep. Jerry Moran, who says Morris' book is "a compelling story of what faith in Jesus Christ can do to change a person's life for the better."

Morris is a member of the Kansas State Board of Education, representing the western half of Kansas. But despite the title of her memoir, she hasn't quite grasped the concept of nobility.

Morris was elected two years ago, having run on a single issue: that taxpayers shouldn't educate the children of illegal immigrants.

At the time, Ranjit Arab was a University of Kansas Journalism School graduate working in Lawrence. Part of his job involved reading out-of-state newspapers, and when he went back to film school he made a class project about the intensifying controversy over educating the kids of illegals. Called El Jardin (The Garden), the 26-minute documentary examines the true meaning of "no child left behind."

After long shots of a Kansas highway headed west, viewers arrive in Garden City, where nonwhites slightly outnumber whites in a town of 32,000. There, immigrant workers put in long days at nasty meatpacking jobs. They also host colorful festivals and cook excellent food. And they send their kids to school. The teachers don't ask students whether their parents are legal. They don't care. The film's most moving moment might be when one white teacher, radiant in her platinum bouffant, says, "I love diversity. I love the challenges it brings into our society and to our schools. It makes me a richer person."

Not all Kansans feel that way, though, and Arab knew his film wouldn't be finished without comments from Morris. In March 2003, he began e-mailing her, requesting an interview. Morris said she didn't have time. "If you would still like my input," she wrote back, "please email 2-3 questions and I will respond. I applaud your efforts."

Arab tried to get a few minutes of face time with Morris at a public meeting in Topeka that May. The resulting footage shows Morris arriving five minutes before the meeting. She smiles when she sees a camera and a microphone. But when Arab asks his question, her expression turns to faux bewilderment and she hurries past. During a break in the meeting, she hides in the bathroom.

Arab's film won a couple of awards at the KAN Film Festival in June. And because the subject was of general interest, The Hutchinson News recapped the controversy on October 3.

That was when Morris told Harris News Service reporter Sarah Kessinger that she'd reported Arab to the FBI, "to ward off any possible stalking or terroristic behavior."

"If there's any further trouble, at least we have documented the beginning of the trouble," Morris tells me.

In the movie, watching Arab approach Morris is a little like watching Dave Helling's skinny nephew approach a third-rate Kay Barnes. Nonetheless, Morris claims, "I can assure you that the scene in the board room was aggressive and violent, nearly violent. It frightened me."

But was he really acting like a terrorist?

"Yes. And he crossed the rules of proper journalistic etiquette. And if he isn't going to learn from his classes how to behave, he does need to learn somewhere the proper way to get a story."

Um, Arab spent months politely asking for an interview.

"There may be times I will choose to give an interview, and I have when I am treated with respect and I feel like the report is going to be fair and honest," Morris says. "But I didn't receive that treatment from this young man from the very beginning."

This is clearly a load of rich Kansas manure. And maybe Morris knows it, because she starts giggling.

"I try not to take things too seriously," she explains when I ask why she's laughing. "I think this whole thing is funny, that it's a story. I think it's silliness."

Ranjit Arab isn't laughing.

To find out whether his own name is on some terrorist list at the FBI, Arab has had to file a Freedom of Information request.

"I doubt she would have cited 'terroristic behavior' if it had been a white filmmaker, simply because I asked a public official a question in a public forum," says Arab (his parents, both citizens, came to the U.S. from India in the '60s). "But she can just throw it out there, and it was printed in the newspaper. There it is: my name in the same sentence with 'terroristic behavior' and 'FBI.'"

Morris has used this technique before. She did it in the summer of 2002, when she accused Garden City Mayor Tim Cruz of being an illegal immigrant. "I find it appalling that a person can break the law and enter the country illegally and end up as mayor," she said.

Cruz is a third-generation Garden Citian. A manager at Sears, he spent eight years on the city council and was twice elected mayor. He's served with the United Way. A couple of years ago, he was inducted into the local high school's hall of fame.

During her campaign for the state school board, though, Morris used Cruz as fodder for stirring up anti-immigration sentiment.

"She was sending e-mails out to hate groups, talking about me being an illegal alien," Cruz tells me. "The e-mails started circulating in our local newspaper and TV stations. Finally, one of the newspapers got hold of her and somehow convinced her, or she convinced herself, that I wasn't an illegal. She called and asked if she owed me an apology. I told her that was up to her. Finally she did, but that was after weeks and weeks of talking bad about my name."

Morris is among the majority of Kansas Board of Education members who are expected to put the anti-evolution debate back on the table in the months ahead. They've also been talking about scrapping world history lessons, preferring that the focus be kept on Kansas and the United States.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: PCR on February 10, 2009, 11:05:57 PM
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Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: jthutch on February 10, 2009, 11:13:18 PM
Frank Evolution I didn't come from any ooze. 
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: jthutch on February 10, 2009, 11:14:07 PM
o.k. maybe some kind of ooze but not the kind they talk about.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: PCR on February 11, 2009, 12:32:14 AM
It took 2 Billion years for us to come from Ooze. 
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: sys on February 11, 2009, 12:32:25 AM
My friends mom is dating him.  Also, he is defending my neighbor from charges of enslavery or something.

self or perkins?
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Perry on February 11, 2009, 01:06:33 AM
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y269/jakken/FlyingSpaghettiMonsterdetail.jpg)
That is all
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Saulbadguy on February 11, 2009, 07:45:29 AM
My friends mom is dating him.  Also, he is defending my neighbor from charges of enslavery or something.

self or perkins?
Restaurant owner, allegedly forced illegal immigrants to work there and live in his apt, paying less than minimum wage. Also beat them.  Apparently - I like the food though, and he's a nice guy. 
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: McGrowlTowelZac on February 11, 2009, 08:19:57 AM
It took 2 Billion years for us to come from Ooze. 

I just met a dude that said he evolved from ooze 1 billion years ago.  So I guess that just proves we are still evolving from ooze.
 :peek:

Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Oklahoma_Cat on February 11, 2009, 01:22:40 PM
God is perfect imaginary.

fyp, bra
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: da govna on February 11, 2009, 04:03:56 PM
God is perfect imaginary.

fyp, bra

for your 3000th s#it post, I give you this...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=brah
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: McGrowlTowelZac on February 11, 2009, 04:20:26 PM
God is perfect imaginary.

fyp, bra

so is evolution.  so i guess we're both at square 1
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Oklahoma_Cat on February 11, 2009, 06:14:20 PM
God is perfect imaginary.

fyp, bra

so is evolution.  so i guess we're both at square 1

(http://www.laughparty.com/funny-pictures/Christianity-Explained-1267.jpg)
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: McGrowlTowelZac on February 12, 2009, 07:24:46 AM
God is perfect imaginary.

fyp, bra

so is evolution.  so i guess we're both at square 1

(http://www.laughparty.com/funny-pictures/Christianity-Explained-1267.jpg)

evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference? :dunno:
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2009, 07:33:08 AM
evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference? :dunno:

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Saulbadguy on February 12, 2009, 07:55:26 AM
evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference? :dunno:

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 
Big bang theory is supported by science - universe is constantly expanding, and background radiation w/ temperature of 2 degrees centigrade.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2009, 08:03:24 AM
evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference? :dunno:

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 
Big bang theory is supported by science - universe is constantly expanding, and background radiation w/ temperature of 2 degrees centigrade.

I heard George Smoot talk at a conference about the big bang.  It's impossible to dispute scientifically. 
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: McGrowlTowelZac on February 12, 2009, 08:07:50 AM
evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference? :dunno:

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 

Its fine, we don't have to get into a thing.  But there some evidence of micro-evolution, not so much for macro-evolution.  and as far as having any clue on how life began, you and I could create a guess and it would be on par with the other ideas or theories out there.

evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference? :dunno:

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 
Big bang theory is supported by science - universe is constantly expanding, and background radiation w/ temperature of 2 degrees centigrade.

I love how everything we know about explosions or violent collisions show an end result of destruction, yet we're gonna be alike "yea, but this one explosion or collision actually created life." forgive me if say  :bs:
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2009, 08:20:06 AM
evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference? :dunno:

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 

Its fine, we don't have to get into a thing.  But there some evidence of micro-evolution, not so much for macro-evolution.  and as far as having any clue on how life began, you and I could create a guess and it would be on par with the other ideas or theories out there.

evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference? :dunno:

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 
Big bang theory is supported by science - universe is constantly expanding, and background radiation w/ temperature of 2 degrees centigrade.

I love how everything we know about explosions or violent collisions show an end result of destruction, yet we're gonna be alike "yea, but this one explosion or collision actually created life." forgive me if say  :bs:

Well, all I can say is that you are blatantly wrong on both counts. 
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Saulbadguy on February 12, 2009, 08:25:27 AM
evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference? :dunno:

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 

Its fine, we don't have to get into a thing.  But there some evidence of micro-evolution, not so much for macro-evolution.  and as far as having any clue on how life began, you and I could create a guess and it would be on par with the other ideas or theories out there.

evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference? :dunno:

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 
Big bang theory is supported by science - universe is constantly expanding, and background radiation w/ temperature of 2 degrees centigrade.

I love how everything we know about explosions or violent collisions show an end result of destruction, yet we're gonna be alike "yea, but this one explosion or collision actually created life." forgive me if say  :bs:
No, one explosion did not create life - it created the universe. 

But hey, we've proven the earth is billions of years old, but I guess that must all be BS.   :flush:

 :powertard:
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: McGrowlTowelZac on February 12, 2009, 08:38:38 AM
evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference? :dunno:

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 

Its fine, we don't have to get into a thing.  But there some evidence of micro-evolution, not so much for macro-evolution.  and as far as having any clue on how life began, you and I could create a guess and it would be on par with the other ideas or theories out there.

evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference? :dunno:

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 
Big bang theory is supported by science - universe is constantly expanding, and background radiation w/ temperature of 2 degrees centigrade.

I love how everything we know about explosions or violent collisions show an end result of destruction, yet we're gonna be alike "yea, but this one explosion or collision actually created life." forgive me if say  :bs:

Well, all I can say is that you are blatantly wrong on both counts. 

If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?

Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2009, 08:44:54 AM
Quote from:  sd
I don't want to get into "a thing"


you're on your own rube
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: McGrowlTowelZac on February 12, 2009, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from:  sd
I don't want to get into "a thing"


you're on your own rube

this is a topic its hard not to get into "a thing" on.  this isn't going to go anywhere anyway.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: mjrod on February 12, 2009, 08:57:50 AM
evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference? :dunno:

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 
Big bang theory is supported by science - universe is constantly expanding, and background radiation w/ temperature of 2 degrees centigrade.

I heard George Smoot talk at a conference about the big bang.  It's impossible to dispute scientifically. 

It's impossible to dispute God scientifically.

Think about what you're saying before you say it.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2009, 09:00:20 AM
evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference? :dunno:

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 
Big bang theory is supported by science - universe is constantly expanding, and background radiation w/ temperature of 2 degrees centigrade.

I heard George Smoot talk at a conference about the big bang.  It's impossible to dispute scientifically. 

It's impossible to dispute God scientifically.

Think about what you're saying before you say it.


I never disputed God in any one of my posts.  Think about what you post before you make yourself look like an even bigger retard.

(http://glennhager.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/straw-man.jpg)
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Saulbadguy on February 12, 2009, 09:07:29 AM
evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference? :dunno:

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 
Big bang theory is supported by science - universe is constantly expanding, and background radiation w/ temperature of 2 degrees centigrade.

I heard George Smoot talk at a conference about the big bang.  It's impossible to dispute scientifically. 

It's impossible to dispute God scientifically.

Think about what you're saying before you say it.


I never disputed God in any one of my posts.  Think about what you post before you make yourself look like an even bigger retard.
Yep, they can co-exist.  Until he is disputed, scientifically.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Oklahoma_Cat on February 12, 2009, 09:20:58 AM
I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: willie on February 12, 2009, 09:46:30 AM


If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?



People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: LimestoneOutcropping on February 12, 2009, 10:27:24 AM
evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference? :dunno:

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 
Big bang theory is supported by science - universe is constantly expanding, and background radiation w/ temperature of 2 degrees centigrade.

I heard George Smoot talk at a conference about the big bang.  It's impossible to dispute scientifically. 

It's impossible to dispute God scientifically.

Think about what you're saying before you say it.


Fact.

It is time to just call a spade a spade.  The earth is about 4200 years old and dinosaur bones were planted by satan to cast doubt and tempt us.  Please read the damn Bible people.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Rick Daris on February 12, 2009, 10:34:22 AM
guys,

please stop. it's like seeing dad hit mom all over again.  someone here is going to get hurt and i'm going to have to spend the night at my aunt's house.  :frown:


let's talk more about what everyone gets at chipotle. and how about their chips. too much salt or not enough? don't get me started.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: McGrowlTowelZac on February 12, 2009, 10:36:15 AM


If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?



People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

my theory is that :ustupid:

I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.


well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Oklahoma_Cat on February 12, 2009, 10:36:25 AM
guys,

please stop. it's like seeing dad hit mom all over again.  :frown:


let's talk more about what everyone gets at chipotle. and how about their chips. too much salt or not enough? don't get me started.

Eh, it's good to have a big "tussle" every once in a while, keeps things fresh.  People get offended and leave, cleans up the "gene pool."

Sounds kinda like evolution, but that doesn't exist.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Oklahoma_Cat on February 12, 2009, 10:43:52 AM


If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?



People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

my theory is that :ustupid:

I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.


well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"

If I'm going to either vote in favor of:

a) An invisible, all-powerful being that can't be seen or heard

or

b) The idea that creatures change through generations to better fit their surroundings


not that hard, really.  Science has evidence of evolution.  The burden is on you to prove that a god exists, and you can't do that.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: McGrowlTowelZac on February 12, 2009, 10:48:56 AM


If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?



People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

my theory is that :ustupid:

I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.


well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"

If I'm going to either vote in favor of:

a) An invisible, all-powerful being that can't be seen or heard

or

b) The idea that creatures change through generations to better fit their surroundings


not that hard, really.  Science has evidence of evolution.  The burden is on you to prove that a god exists, and you can't do that.

I don't have to prove anything.  You don't have to believe.  If I saw some actual evidence of evolution, that would go along in proving that whole fantasy.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: KSU187 on February 12, 2009, 11:49:33 AM
The viewpoints can co-exist:

The creation story in Genesis is an allegory for the nature of man and his inherent spiritual development not to be taken literally.

Evolution is real.

There done... :woohoo:
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: mjrod on February 12, 2009, 01:02:40 PM
evolution: the belief that you came from an ooze or explosion, or whatever, yet there is no scientific evidence to support it.  again, whats the difference? :dunno:

Yeah, so, I'm religious or whatever but this isn't true.  There is an unbelievable amount of evidence for evolution.  It's really not even arguable.  I don't want to get into "a thing" about it but it's fact. 
Big bang theory is supported by science - universe is constantly expanding, and background radiation w/ temperature of 2 degrees centigrade.

I heard George Smoot talk at a conference about the big bang.  It's impossible to dispute scientifically. 

It's impossible to dispute God scientifically.

Think about what you're saying before you say it.


I never disputed God in any one of my posts.  Think about what you post before you make yourself look like an even bigger retard.

(http://glennhager.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/straw-man.jpg)

I didn't say you were disputing God.   Yes your argument was a strawman.

The idea that you can't disprove something scientifically doesn't make it true in the opposite.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2009, 01:10:53 PM
The idea that you can't disprove something scientifically doesn't make it true in the opposite.

I never said it was.  Everything you've posted has been a strawman.   :flush:
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: PCR on February 12, 2009, 01:21:40 PM
Did Darwin disprove the existence of God by showing that the Bible was just a book full of allegorical nonsense stories written by random dudes 2000 years ago?
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2009, 01:22:13 PM
Did Darwin disprove the existence of God by showing that the Bible was just a book full of allegorical nonsense stories written by random dudes 2000 years ago?

no
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: mjrod on February 12, 2009, 01:39:54 PM
The idea that you can't disprove something scientifically doesn't make it true in the opposite.

I never said it was.  Everything you've posted has been a strawman.   :flush:

Yeah, you did.  You listened to one guy.   Take a look at what you said.

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I heard George Smoot talk at a conference about the big bang.  It's impossible to dispute scientifically.

So, is that his words or yours?
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: mjrod on February 12, 2009, 01:41:09 PM
Did Darwin disprove the existence of God by showing that the Bible was just a book full of allegorical nonsense stories written by random dudes 2000 years ago?
Non-sequitur.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2009, 01:52:05 PM
The idea that you can't disprove something scientifically doesn't make it true in the opposite.

I never said it was.  Everything you've posted has been a strawman.   :flush:

Yeah, you did.  You listened to one guy.   Take a look at what you said.

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I heard George Smoot talk at a conference about the big bang.  It's impossible to dispute scientifically.

So, is that his words or yours?


His, and I agree with him.  Listen, this isn't hard (except for you).  I never said in there The idea that you can't disprove something scientifically makes it true in the opposite.  Hell, I never said it proved anything.  Your strawmen are growing tiresome. 
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: KSU187 on February 12, 2009, 03:06:28 PM
Did Darwin disprove the existence of God by showing that the Bible was just a book full of allegorical nonsense stories written by random dudes 2000 years ago?

There are people who believe that the bible is allegorical, historical, metaphysical, and designed to transmit universal spiritual Truth. Not to be taken at its literal face value 100% of the time.  They ask themselves, what is this particular passage trying to shed Light on, and look for the meaning there.

The creation story is obviously trying to transmit a different Truth than the historical account of Joshua and the city Jericho.

Parts of the bible are historical without a doubt.  But even the historical passages and stories have layers of meaning, profound insight and symbology behind them.

There is no reason that one needs to try to prove or disprove the "invisible space or sky monster" (I actually like that...lol)

As the Dali Llama points out in his book "The Universe is A Single Atom", science and spirituality are converging closer and closer,(also see The Language of God about the Human Genome Project)

In my opinion, it is because of retards on both sides want to keep bitching at each other about inconsequencial bulls1t. 

The hardcore "dawinists" that look down from an intellectual hilltop in a condescending fashion at religious people, as well as the religious people who condemn and judge the "darwinists".

Schools should not teach something that can't be studied using the Scientific Method (as far as I can tell Creationism can't stand up under that type of scrutiny)...

Either way, dumbasses on both sides keep spinning this debate in to a never ending pissing match that has no end in sight.

If you want your kids to learn about Creationism, and God -  Send them to private schools....they're better from an academic and developmental standpoint anyway.(see Kansas City Missouri School District- a beacon of public education)

Oh, and Jesus hates you PCR  :runaway:
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: PCR on February 12, 2009, 03:13:47 PM
I'm Catholic, so I'm going to hell anyway.

But the debate does matter, in that it has an influence on public policy.  Sorry that's going off to tippecanoe territory....
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: KSU187 on February 12, 2009, 03:22:55 PM
What horrific public policy might be implemented?

The possibility that Creationism is taught in the background while 15 year olds who don't pay attention anyways eye-rape every girl in the class and think about what is on MTV that night.

Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: PCR on February 12, 2009, 03:30:15 PM
What horrific public policy might be implemented?

The possibility that Creationism is taught in the background while 15 year olds who don't pay attention anyways eye-rape every girl in the class and think about what is on MTV that night.



ahh high school... good thing I never became a teacher

But as for public policy--this sort of thing gives people the "right" in their own minds to discount the value of scientific research, and just assume that whatever they pulled out of their ass or read in scripture is every bit as valid.  Scientists aren't infallible, but they (the honest ones) come to conclusions based on the evidence presented to them.  (please let's not turn this into a global warming debate kthxbi)
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: McGrowlTowelZac on February 12, 2009, 03:40:37 PM
What horrific public policy might be implemented?

The possibility that Creationism is taught in the background while 15 year olds who don't pay attention anyways eye-rape every girl in the class and think about what is on MTV that night.



ahh high school... good thing I never became a teacher

But as for public policy--this sort of thing gives people the "right" in their own minds to discount the value of scientific research, and just assume that whatever they pulled out of their ass or read in scripture is every bit as valid.  Scientists aren't infallible, but they (the honest ones) come to conclusions based on the evidence presented to them.  (please let's not turn this into a global warming debate kthxbi)

Scientists aren't infallible.  Even the good ones will tell you they don't know how life began, and it they tell you they do know, its no different than someone telling you they do know God exists.  Either one is a leap of faith.  There is evidence to support intelligent design, as well as plenty of evidence against darwinism and evolution( macro-evolution atleast.)
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: KSU187 on February 12, 2009, 03:44:59 PM
I actually agree with you.

While there is evidence to support it, Like I said earlier, Creationism can't pass the true litmus test of the Scientific Method, or hold up under basic, objective, un-biased scrutiny, therefore does not belong in the public school system. 

If you want your kids to learn Creationism, plenty of churches, synagouges, private schools, pastors and priests can explain it to them, and are more apt to offer the "alternative to evolution"

Besides, if you believe in Creationism, and want it taught, why would you want a god-hating biased Biology teacher (who's pissed off about teaching it) to be the one to present the matieral anyways.



Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Perry on February 12, 2009, 03:45:32 PM
guys,

please stop. it's like seeing dad hit mom all over again.  someone here is going to get hurt and i'm going to have to spend the night at my aunt's house.  :frown:


let's talk more about what everyone gets at chipotle. and how about their chips. too much salt or not enough? don't get me started.

Which came first, the chips or the salsa?   :peek:
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: jmlynch1 on February 12, 2009, 04:21:53 PM


If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?



People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

my theory is that :ustupid:

I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.


well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"
LOL
Somebody took that crapty philosophy of religion class at KSU.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: McGrowlTowelZac on February 12, 2009, 04:37:40 PM


If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?



People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

my theory is that :ustupid:

I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.


well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"
LOL
Somebody took that crapty philosophy of religion class at KSU.

still an interesting thought...but no class at ksu, thats just basic youth group logic
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2009, 05:07:44 PM


If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?



People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

my theory is that :ustupid:

I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.


well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"
LOL
Somebody took that crapty philosophy of religion class at KSU.

still an interesting thought...but no class at ksu, thats just basic youth group logic

What happens if someone makes up a religion where you go to Heaven II which is twice as awesome as Christian heaven.  You go to Hell II if you don't believe which is twice as crappy as Christian hell.  :dunno: 
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: PCR on February 12, 2009, 05:16:52 PM


If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?



People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

my theory is that :ustupid:

I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.


well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"
LOL
Somebody took that crapty philosophy of religion class at KSU.

still an interesting thought...but no class at ksu, thats just basic youth group logic

What happens if someone makes up a religion where you go to Heaven II which is twice as awesome as Christian heaven.  You go to Hell II if you don't believe which is twice as crappy as Christian hell.  :dunno: 

You call it Islam. 
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Chingon on February 12, 2009, 07:12:05 PM
 :-[

The Big Bang was not an "explosion".  Scientific theories are not guesses and are never proven.   Science is not in the game of proving or disproving the existence of God (an impossible task).  Evolution is not abiogenesis. 
The temperature of the microwave background radiation is 2 Kelvin.

Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Chingon on February 12, 2009, 07:18:12 PM


If its so factual, why is it called the evolution theory?  They can't prove it, not sure what you've read or seen, but they can't.  Its not there.  I heard known evolutionists say they have an idea or theory on how life started, but have the evidence to prove it.

I wonder if I create universes every 4th of July?



People that have zero understanding of science and how it works using the word theory incorrectly infuriate me.  Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.

my theory is that :ustupid:

I'd much rather believe that creatures evolved to their surroundings over long periods of time than to think that a giant invisible space monster exists.  LOL @ u.


well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"

If I'm going to either vote in favor of:

a) An invisible, all-powerful being that can't be seen or heard

or

b) The idea that creatures change through generations to better fit their surroundings


not that hard, really.  Science has evidence of evolution.  The burden is on you to prove that a god exists, and you can't do that.

I don't have to prove anything.  You don't have to believe.  If I saw some actual evidence of evolution, that would go along in proving that whole fantasy.
If you are completely honest, and really want to learn something about evolution and modern biology, start here:
CLICK ME (http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-qa.html).  I am again taking you at face value that you are willing to listen to evidence.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: cyclist on February 12, 2009, 07:24:47 PM
(http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o70/ClaudioCyclist/GlobalWarming.jpg?t=1234488132)

Positive proof of global warning or positive proof of evolution ?

:cyclist: :cyclist: :cyclist: :cyclist:
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2009, 07:27:40 PM
chingon is intimidatingly smart d00ds.  I've witnessed it in meatworld  :ohno:
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: leroylulu on February 12, 2009, 07:29:50 PM
Chingon, bringin a little rationality to the discussion.  Very nice sir.  To further your point a little bit.  Religion and Science get a very wrong and unfair wrap that they are antagonistic, and one has to choose one camp or the other.  Not true.  The big bang theory was actually developed by a Catholic Priest.  Many religious types I know, used to be very "scientific in thought" and have come to realize the need for a higher power once they realized Science could not possibly explain the universe.  

Science can only evaluate that which is categorizable, (ie, physical, tangible, etc.)  God is not "A BEING" in the universe.  He is the creator of existence, our "being" flows from his created hand.  Creation was not an event that happened at a precise point in the history of time, creation is still going on.  Big Bang and creation are just different terms for the same thing.  

Science can describe, learn, and categorize things in the world, but only the Divine can ground things to their deepest and most basic level.  Religion and Science are not competing on the same playing field.  The two are separate disciplines.  The only time the two converge is if there is an ethical reason, and science tries to manipulate the Divine which is always a bad idea.    
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Chingon on February 12, 2009, 07:33:01 PM
Chingon, bringin a little rationality to the discussion.  Very nice sir.  To further your point a little bit.  Religion and Science get a very wrong and unfair wrap that they are antagonistic, and one has to choose one camp or the other.  Not true.  The big bang theory was actually developed by a Catholic Priest.  Many religious types I know, used to be very "scientific in thought" and have come to realize the need for a higher power once they realized Science could not possibly explain the universe.  

Science can only evaluate that which is categorizable, (ie, physical, tangible, etc.)  God is not "A BEING" in the universe.  He is the creator of existence, our "being" flows from his created hand.  Creation was not an event that happened at a precise point in the history of time, creation is still going on.  Big Bang and creation are just different terms for the same thing.  

Science can describe, learn, and categorize things in the world, but only the Divine can ground things to their deepest and most basic level.  Religion and Science are not competing on the same playing field.  The two are separate disciplines.  The only time the two converge is if there is an ethical reason, and science tries to manipulate the Divine which is always a bad idea.    
I mostly agree up to this point.  Religion has meddled in science since the beginning.  You even mention one example.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: PCR on February 12, 2009, 07:48:57 PM
Religion is fine for people who are smart enough to tell the difference between myth and science.  The problem is that a vast vast majority of people think their religion is a valid way to explain the universe, and that no further investigation is necessary. 
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2009, 07:50:42 PM
The problem is that a vast vast majority of people think their religion is a valid way to explain the universe, and that no further investigation is necessary. 

That's a very interesting take.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: leroylulu on February 12, 2009, 07:55:00 PM
True, good point Chingon.  I respectfully retract that last statement. Typin away, didnt put a whole lot of thought into itl
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: sys on February 12, 2009, 08:21:10 PM
thread summary for those just joining:

pgtzac is really stupid.  mjrod and okcat are really bad at m'boarding.  sd is too nice.  chingon loses his sense of humor on the non sports boards.  rd beats his wife.  everyone else is background noise.


there, you're all caught up.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Chingon on February 12, 2009, 08:23:26 PM
thread summary for those just joining:

pgtzac is really stupid.  mjrod and okcat are really bad at m'boarding.  sd is too nice.  chingon loses his sense of humor on the non sports boards.  rd beats his wife.  everyone else is background noise.


there, you're all caught up.
:curse: its true!

Chingon =  :angryMJ:



Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: mjrod on February 12, 2009, 08:36:41 PM
thread summary for those just joining:

pgtzac is really stupid.  mjrod and okcat are really bad at m'boarding.  sd is too nice.  chingon loses his sense of humor on the non sports boards.  rd beats his wife.  everyone else is background noise.


there, you're all caught up.

No one cares about your opinion.  That's really all that needs to be said.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: McGrowlTowelZac on February 12, 2009, 09:38:38 PM
thread summary for those just joining:

pgtzac is really stupid.  mjrod and okcat are really bad at m'boarding.  sd is too nice.  chingon loses his sense of humor on the non sports boards.  rd beats his wife.  everyone else is background noise.


there, you're all caught up.

okay, i take it all back as long as sys doesn't hate me anymore.  :runaway:

There isn't evidence to support MACRO-evolution?  The actual transition from different spieces?  Where are the missing links?  Its to coincidental that there aren't more connecting dots.
Also, I have yet to see an evidence supported theory for the beginning of it all.  Chingon, I saw the word 'Probability' a lot on that link, that doesn't do a whole lot for me.  They gave a lot scientific explanations for why there isn't evidence, but in the end I see it requiring the leap of faith.

Show me some evidence, not explanations and not probabilities, evidence. 



Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2009, 09:47:08 PM
'sigh'
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: McGrowlTowelZac on February 12, 2009, 09:50:00 PM
'sigh'

dood, i'm asking for evidence. why is that hard?  seriously, show me some real, hardcore evidence. i'm not trying to be a jerk about this, i would love to see it.  maybe i missed something in chingon's link.  i will go back and check again.

didn't realize i was asking for so much
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: jmlynch1 on February 12, 2009, 09:51:31 PM
1. Jump off your deck

2. Land on your Ass

3. Feel the pain in your tailbone

4. Look for you tail
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: sys on February 12, 2009, 09:52:22 PM
okay, i take it all back as long as sys doesn't hate me anymore.  :runaway:

don't worry, i don't hate you, mgtz.


it's like my dog.  he doesn't understand science either, but he's super cute.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: steve dave on February 12, 2009, 09:53:29 PM
lol lynch and sys
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: McGrowlTowelZac on February 12, 2009, 09:59:26 PM
okay, i take it all back as long as sys doesn't hate me anymore.  :runaway:

don't worry, i don't hate you, mgtz.


it's like my dog.  he doesn't understand science either, but he's super cute.
:blush:

its all good. we're all taking a leap of faith, good luck to all.

Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: GoldbrickGangBoss on February 12, 2009, 09:59:38 PM
"Science is the tool of the Western mind and with it more doors can be opened than with bare hands. It is part and parcel of our knowledge and obscures our insight only when it holds that the understanding given by it is the only kind there is."
-Carl Jung
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Kat Kid on February 12, 2009, 10:19:24 PM
Hawking + Bertrand Russel = everyone stfu
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Oklahoma_Cat on February 12, 2009, 10:31:57 PM
mjrod and okcat are really bad at m'boarding.

I'm not mexican, bra.  can't bunch us up like plantains.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Rick Daris on February 13, 2009, 07:40:25 AM
thread summary for those just joining:

pgtzac is really stupid.  mjrod and okcat are really bad at m'boarding.  sd is too nice.  chingon loses his sense of humor on the non sports boards.  rd beats his wife.  everyone else is background noise.



nice summary sys, but all the above has been widely known for a long time. not exactly breaking news here.  :users:


Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: krazykat on February 13, 2009, 07:52:31 AM

Quote
well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"

i like this theory, sign me up.

BTW keystone light evolved from coors light.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: dohminator on February 13, 2009, 06:04:26 PM
well, if you were a betting man you could think of it this way. you have to put your money on one of these two games.

Bet 1: You can bet on Game A and have a chance at winning some money or nothing.
Bet 2: You can bet on Game B and win nothing.

Just a "theory"

If Pascal's wager is the reason for you believing in God and going to church, you're going to hell anyway.  Don't you think God would see through your motive of believing in him/her/it only to cover your bases?  crap, if God fell for this, he/she/it wouldn't be very omniscient.  Actually a god that fell for this crap would be pretty damn stupid.  Do you think God is stupid? 

What if you bet on the wrong religion?  It's possible that the muslims were right.  Maybe the mormons have it all figured out.  You'd better start following all the religions to be sure because you don't want to mess up your chances at an afterlife. 

In conclusion, the use of pascal's wager makes you look bad. 
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Thin Blue Line on February 13, 2009, 10:51:39 PM
thread summary for those just joining:

pgtzac is really stupid.  mjrod and okcat are really bad at m'boarding.  sd is too nice.  chingon loses his sense of humor on the non sports boards.  rd beats his wife.  everyone else is background noise.


there, you're all caught up.

Fyp.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Thin Blue Line on February 13, 2009, 10:56:53 PM
okay, i take it all back as long as sys doesn't hate me anymore.  :runaway:

don't worry, i don't hate you, mgtz.


it's like my dog.  he doesn't understand science either, but he's super cute.

No, he hates me, mgtz. But, that's ok. Sys is kinda like the awkwardly slow younger cousin that you can't help but head rub. Kinda gives you the creeps, but you know it's the right thing to do.
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: steve dave on February 13, 2009, 10:58:33 PM
I doubt you are tall enough to rub sys on the head
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Thin Blue Line on February 13, 2009, 11:20:47 PM
I doubt you are tall enough to rub sys on the head

That's what ladders (and tasers) are for.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: jmlynch1 on February 14, 2009, 12:51:52 AM
I doubt you are tall enough to rub sys on the head

That's what ladders (and tasers) are for.  :thumbsup:
Spoken like a true "protect" and to "server."
Title: Re: kansas vs darwin
Post by: Thin Blue Line on February 15, 2009, 10:09:19 PM
I doubt you are tall enough to rub sys on the head

That's what ladders (and tasers) are for.  :thumbsup:
Spoken like a true "protect" and to "server."

Didn't notice the wink, huh? Jeesh!